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Could you also tell us who really shot JFK? My missus is fascinated by that conspiracy theory. I would also like to know if the US really landed on the moon.

 

 

Lee Harvey Oswald was the "fall guy" set up by the USA

 

Jack Ruby was paid by the USA to shoot LHO, and shut him up

 

Unless you believe that bullets can change direction by 90 degrees, then one of the fatal head shorts came from the grassy knoll .........

 

 

 

.......... All this I know ..............

 

............. but I just don't know when Saints are gonna win ........

 

Funny old game innit ????:D

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"However, Cortese is in no rush and has said he wants the appointment to be in place by the start of the summer transfer window.

The Echo understands that, not only have no moves been made on that front yet, but none are likely to be made until next summer".

Erm, far be it from me to tell Mr Cortese how to run a football club, but if he believes the DoF is a crucial role then why would he wait until next Summer to fill it?

 

Either it's an important role or it isn't....surely?

 

One assumes he realises that that there is a transfer window in January during which a DoF might be quite a useful asset too?

(To satisfy the 'negativity police', the above is not a criticism or judgement, just a query based on observation)

 

 

There you go. Coppell IS coming but not yet. Pards has obviously been given one mission this season - keep us up and start to rebuild - before mounting a serious campaign with serious investment in players next summer. Makes sense given the poor squad he inherited from Wotte/Lowe.

 

I suspect Coppell may come sooner than the summer though.

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Lee Harvey Oswald was the "fall guy" set up by the USA

 

Jack Ruby was paid by the USA to shoot LHO, and shut him up

 

Unless you believe that bullets can change direction by 90 degrees, then one of the fatal head shorts came from the grassy knoll .........

 

 

 

.......... All this I know ..............

 

............. but I just don't know when Saints are gonna win ........

 

Funny old game innit ????:D

 

You havent answered the question. Did the American's land on the moon or what?

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Proof that the club have a long term plan in place and Pardew is here to build for the long term. The Sporting Director will be in place next summer to bring in the players Pardew wants next season to have a real go at this league. It's obvious that the new owner and his employees know the club was in such a mess it will take more than one month to start getting wins on the board. Pardew has made it clear he had no scouting network, no opposition reports, no decent backroom staff, nothing. That is slowly coming together and with it results will slowly start to come. Those who claim they will want Pardew out in five games if he doesn't start to pick up are just being ridiculous. Thank god the new owners are more rational and realise the extent of the situation. This season is all about getting a foundation ready for next season. With the players we have brought in already, however, I'm sure results will start to pick up sooner rather than later.

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What would people's reactions be if we'd started off like Charlton, instead of the horrible start we've had?

 

I suspect they'd be a lot less enthusiastic about bringing in Coppell than they are - for fear of p*ssing off AP. And if that's the case, they are not as keen on the idea as they're suggesting.

 

Either it's a good structure or it's not. And having a ready-made fall back for firing AP doesn't make it a good structure.

 

The part I don't understand is why they'd do it now - after AP has made significant changes to both the playing squad and coaching staff. These were things that a DoF should have been heavily involved in. The only missing part is rebuilding the academy.

 

Unless Coppell WAS involved in the background, which is possible but unlikely, I can see AP getting ticked off about this, and then we're back to instability territory.

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You havent answered the question. Did the American's land on the moon or what?

 

Good question Robbie.

 

Although I can't answer the question, I do wonder since Armstrong was the first guy on the moon right?... then who actually took the video footage of him coming down the steps prior to being the "first"? Also who took the footage of him and his mate gamboling over the surface since only the two of them were there?

 

Bear in mind this was the sixties and they didn't have the digital camera gizmos we have now or remote control devices. In any event if they had a camera pre positioned outside the craft it would never have survived the landing surely?

 

So many questions and not many answers, but how can I turn this into a Saints related topic? I know! If the UK wants to put a man on the moon I have a perfect candidate... Rupert Lowe. (and let's hope our boffins then tactfully forget how to bring him back!!!). :cool:

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What would people's reactions be if we'd started off like Charlton, instead of the horrible start we've had?

 

I suspect they'd be a lot less enthusiastic about bringing in Coppell than they are - for fear of p*ssing off AP. And if that's the case, they are not as keen on the idea as they're suggesting.

 

Either it's a good structure or it's not. And having a ready-made fall back for firing AP doesn't make it a good structure.

 

The part I don't understand is why they'd do it now - after AP has made significant changes to both the playing squad and coaching staff. These were things that a DoF should have been heavily involved in. The only missing part is rebuilding the academy.

 

Unless Coppell WAS involved in the background, which is possible but unlikely, I can see AP getting ticked off about this, and then we're back to instability territory.

 

This is indeed very true. But Pardew and Coppell are friends and have worked together before. It could be that Pardew suggested Coppell for the position. Maybe the reason why it won't be sorted until end of the season is because Coppell wanted a year out of football?

There are a lot of "if's" of course and it could all turn out to be complete ********. But i think it could have the potential to work.

 

Reason i think that is history has shown with this club that a chairman/chief Executive should not be involved in the running of the football side. Rupert Lowe is a fine example of how not to run a football club. So Nicola obviously cannot make decisions on signings because he is not a football man. If however Pardew says he likes the look of a player and thinks it will improve the team he can then tell that to Coppell who will either agree and go and ask for the cash from Nicola to buy the player. Or he could disagree of course and that might create friction.

But that is how a club should be run, with caution. No point spending millions on players who will do nothing for the club. Last season we brought in a lot of crap players who will probably now never play again for the club i.e Molyneux,Pullis,Forecast etc. We should not buy players or bring in players on free's who are not better then what we already have.

 

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, if it happen's at all.

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Good points, Marco, and I'd be happy to see Coppell come here - for all the reasons you've outlined AND because I really like the idea of a football person supervising, advising, supporting and being a sounding board for the manager. We might well still be in the Prem if we'd had that for the past six years. My only rider is "as long as Pardew is okay with it" because none of us wants to go back to the instability.

 

However, I just don't understand the timing - even allowing for Coppell's desire to have a six-month break. No matter how close AP and Coppell have been in the past, bringing Coppell in after a lot of work has been done (by AP) could well be asking for trouble.

 

I'd love all this to work out but if I had to choose between having a talented Coppell alongside a ticked-off Pardew OR just having a happy Pardew, I'd choose the latter right now.

 

As long as we start to get some results.

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Good question Robbie.

 

Although I can't answer the question, I do wonder since Armstrong was the first guy on the moon right?... then who actually took the video footage of him coming down the steps prior to being the "first"? Also who took the footage of him and his mate gamboling over the surface since only the two of them were there?

 

Bear in mind this was the sixties and they didn't have the digital camera gizmos we have now or remote control devices. In any event if they had a camera pre positioned outside the craft it would never have survived the landing surely?

 

So many questions and not many answers, but how can I turn this into a Saints related topic? I know! If the UK wants to put a man on the moon I have a perfect candidate... Rupert Lowe. (and let's hope our boffins then tactfully forget how to bring him back!!!). :cool:

 

buzz aldrin shot the 'giant leap' from the Eagle lunar landing module - out the window.

 

then they set up a camera on a tripod. they did have remote control devices as well, by the way, not sure if they were used to trigger cams though.

 

no cameras outside on the eagle, although other space traversing craft did (including the earlier lunar obitors from the apollo programme) - they were protected much like the astronauts visors were/are.

 

hope this helps answer those particular questions.

 

I have no further comment on Coppell as DoF. I'd be happy to see him in that role, but agree with Cortese to judge that although it is important in the long run, it is not vital right now. Get the basics sorted first with a good coaching team and progress to more sophisticated set up when ready... ...softly softly catchy monkey, as they say.

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Seems like many are missing the link that has been put on here several times stating that Coppell "is not* being lined up as the next DoF. Why the continued debate on the pros and cons of Mr Coppell? ITK or what? :confused:

 

Because we're following the established protocol on here:

 

"Why let the facts get in the way of a good debate?"

 

And, possibly, because the denial was in The Echo!

 

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buzz aldrin shot the 'giant leap' from the Eagle lunar landing module - out the window.

 

then they set up a camera on a tripod. they did have remote control devices as well, by the way, not sure if they were used to trigger cams though.

 

no cameras outside on the eagle, although other space traversing craft did (including the earlier lunar obitors from the apollo programme) - they were protected much like the astronauts visors were/are.

 

hope this helps answer those particular questions.

 

I have no further comment on Coppell as DoF. I'd be happy to see him in that role, but agree with Cortese to judge that although it is important in the long run, it is not vital right now. Get the basics sorted first with a good coaching team and progress to more sophisticated set up when ready... ...softly softly catchy monkey, as they say.

 

Out the window... of a lunar landing module??? You quite sure about this?

 

Thank God Buzz didn't fall out of the window while he was at it, or else he would have been the first man on the moon, albeit in a rather undignified fashion!

 

Actually I think you might find the windows don't open on spacecraft, it's not as if they need to open them to let some breeze in! The footage of the main man descending appears to be taken from slightly away from the craft. Don't think Buzz took it, but his assistant Mr Spielberg may have done...

 

Back to football matters and Wally Downes appointment certainly seems to indicate that things may be moving in the Coppell direction, as Wally was Coppell's offsider not Pardew's. (I know a bloke who played in the same Liverpool schools team as Stevie C, have seen the photo of them together).

 

Some posters have suggested Coppell was first choice, but he elected to continue his sabbatical, then Pardew turned up. Cortese would never have heard of Pardew so it may be that Coppell actually recommended him and perhaps a deal was done with all parties that Pardew would become manager and that Coppell would join later as DoF?

 

This would fit with Cortese's desire for a DoF but his vague sometime in the future comments as well as Coppell's several sightings at St Mary's (with ML in attendance). Unusual if he genuinely had nothing to do with us... ;)

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I believe whoever comes in as Sporting Director, and I have thought for some time it might be Coppell, will be Pardew's boss.

 

He will set the job targets and consult with Pardew but I doubt he will interfer with the training or tactical side. Pardew will go to him and identify a weak area in the team and, following consultation with his coaches/scouts will say who he wants. the SD will then negotiate and try to make it happen. He will also negotiate contracts freeing Pardew to concentrate on team matters on the pitch/training

 

Of course as Sporting Director will have overall control and report to the Chairman. Pardew would not have a say in who is appointed to that position but I suspect he will be content if the set up is as I suggest above and someone with the experience of Coppell got the job.

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I believe whoever comes in as Sporting Director, and I have thought for some time it might be Coppell, will be Pardew's boss.

 

He will set the job targets and consult with Pardew but I doubt he will interfer with the training or tactical side. Pardew will go to him and identify a weak area in the team and, following consultation with his coaches/scouts will say who he wants. the SD will then negotiate and try to make it happen. He will also negotiate contracts freeing Pardew to concentrate on team matters on the pitch/training

 

Of course as Sporting Director will have overall control and report to the Chairman. Pardew would not have a say in who is appointed to that position but I suspect he will be content if the set up is as I suggest above and someone with the experience of Coppell got the job.

 

Nice to see an intelligent comment about this. There used to be a saying in industry that "directors direct and managers manage". British industry and even worse football clubs have had serious difficulty with that, whilst it doesn't seem to cause any friction anywhere else.

 

There is a role to fill to make sure that the strategy for the company, laid down by the owners, is translated into a footballing strategy. The manager will work within this strategy to fulfil it. The director should have other and more long term matters on his mind, about recruitment policy and the Academy, for instance. But he would also be available for the manager to consult, not least in terms of new signings, transfers, youngsters for the future etc.

 

What makes the set-up permanently sour is when the director is seen as some kind of uber-manager who steps into the shoes of the manager when he is being sacked. That is not what a Sporting Director is about, it's a British aberration.

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I believe whoever comes in as Sporting Director, and I have thought for some time it might be Coppell, will be Pardew's boss.

 

He will set the job targets and consult with Pardew but I doubt he will interfer with the training or tactical side. Pardew will go to him and identify a weak area in the team and, following consultation with his coaches/scouts will say who he wants. the SD will then negotiate and try to make it happen. He will also negotiate contracts freeing Pardew to concentrate on team matters on the pitch/training

 

Of course as Sporting Director will have overall control and report to the Chairman. Pardew would not have a say in who is appointed to that position but I suspect he will be content if the set up is as I suggest above and someone with the experience of Coppell got the job.

 

Thats the way I see it WS.

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TBH I don't think Coppell actually wants a manager's job any more. I think this sort of role is ideal for him. He can use his expertise to run the football side behind the scenes leaving Pardew, Wilkins and Downes to look after team affairs.

 

wtf, are we even lining up spare birds for the players now? This is management gone mad.

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Many a true word spoken in jest DD.

It happens all the time...if it was WGS as DoF and pardew had us near the bottom in 12 months, wouldnt it become a pressure cooker at SMS to give WGS the job..as if pardew was near the bottom of league 1 this time next year after just surviving, I reckon he would walk himself

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Nice to see an intelligent comment about this. There used to be a saying in industry that "directors direct and managers manage". British industry and even worse football clubs have had serious difficulty with that, whilst it doesn't seem to cause any friction anywhere else.

 

There is a role to fill to make sure that the strategy for the company, laid down by the owners, is translated into a footballing strategy. The manager will work within this strategy to fulfil it. The director should have other and more long term matters on his mind, about recruitment policy and the Academy, for instance. But he would also be available for the manager to consult, not least in terms of new signings, transfers, youngsters for the future etc.

 

What makes the set-up permanently sour is when the director is seen as some kind of uber-manager who steps into the shoes of the manager when he is being sacked. That is not what a Sporting Director is about, it's a British aberration.

 

In an ideal world I agree.

 

But the term Football Manager is a misnoma.

 

The best Football Managers RUN every aspect of the football side of their club.

 

When do you think Alex Ferguson last took a training session with his players? He doesn't really - that's the coaches' job. But he decides who stays, who goes, who coaches, the scouts, the colour of the changing room walls, who is allowed into the changing room, who isn't, the players babies' names, their wives...

 

That's why he fired Beckham and Ronaldo. And yet they will STILL win the league.

 

In football, the manager dictates the on-field strategy, which means dictating the off-field, football-related decisions.

 

He may have to go cap in hand to his Chairman for cash to buy the players, to appoint the right coaches, scouts, etc. But the Manager makes these decisions.

 

Where a Chairman appoints a DoF it nearly always fails. Why? Because this is the Chairman admitting he doesn't know enough about the business he runs to TRUST his manager.

 

Otherwise, why else bring the DoF in??

 

If the DoF is dictating football strategy - HE is de facto the MANAGER.

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In an ideal world I agree.

 

But the term Football Manager is a misnoma.

 

The best Football Managers RUN every aspect of the football side of their club.

 

When do you think Alex Ferguson last took a training session with his players? He doesn't really - that's the coaches' job. But he decides who stays, who goes, who coaches, the scouts, the colour of the changing room walls, who is allowed into the changing room, who isn't, the players babies' names, their wives...

 

That's why he fired Beckham and Ronaldo. And yet they will STILL win the league.

 

In football, the manager dictates the on-field strategy, which means dictating the off-field, football-related decisions.

 

He may have to go cap in hand to his Chairman for cash to buy the players, to appoint the right coaches, scouts, etc. But the Manager makes these decisions.

 

Where a Chairman appoints a DoF it nearly always fails. Why? Because this is the Chairman admitting he doesn't know enough about the business he runs to TRUST his manager.

 

Otherwise, why else bring the DoF in??

 

If the DoF is dictating football strategy - HE is de facto the MANAGER.

 

I hate that phrase - far too david Brent!

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Where a Chairman appoints a DoF it nearly always fails. .

it is simply not the case..

 

was listening to 606 last season about this...and it is a fact that across europe (inthe big 5 leagues), the trophy count at all levels is higher with clubs that have a DoF set up against those that dont..

 

Im not saying it will or wont work here....usually not the case in england as we are fearfull of any change....

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I believe whoever comes in as Sporting Director, and I have thought for some time it might be Coppell, will be Pardew's boss.

 

He will set the job targets and consult with Pardew but I doubt he will interfer with the training or tactical side. Pardew will go to him and identify a weak area in the team and, following consultation with his coaches/scouts will say who he wants. the SD will then negotiate and try to make it happen. He will also negotiate contracts freeing Pardew to concentrate on team matters on the pitch/training

 

Of course as Sporting Director will have overall control and report to the Chairman. Pardew would not have a say in who is appointed to that position but I suspect he will be content if the set up is as I suggest above and someone with the experience of Coppell got the job.

 

"The sporting director will have direct responsibility for overseeing football matters, including sanctioning transfers.

 

The appointment will be made by Cortese and will not be in consultation with Alan Pardew as the sporting director will effectively be his boss."

 

 

From this statement I believe it will be slight more than your initial view. How things are going to pan out will largely be dictated by the sporting director. Cortese would be totally stupid to install someone with no synergy with Pardew, which I am sure will be clear from the start. As the sporting director will have final say over transfers, with the coaches / scouts reporting directly to him. Pardew will be one significant voice amongst others, but I cannot see him being the sole driving force from what has been laid out. I do expect a close symmetry between the two positions, but if push comes to shove there will be only one outcome here.

 

 

And before anyone gives the example of Redknapp as being why you should not have a sporting director. Look closer and what do you have but a sporting director who picks the team. I don't think it will be anything like that at Saints and Pardew will have a big influence, but not an overriding one.

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it is simply not the case..

 

was listening to 606 last season about this...and it is a fact that across europe (inthe big 5 leagues), the trophy count at all levels is higher with clubs that have a DoF set up against those that dont..

 

Im not saying it will or wont work here....usually not the case in england as we are fearfull of any change....

 

Real Madrid have had 15 managers in about 15 years. During a period of 13 in 12 years, they won the European cup several times.

 

In Spain a DoF is not a problem for them, clearly.

 

But to mirror this approach, you would have to structure the whole club around the DoF.

 

In this country we simply do not do this, which is why in the UK it nearly always fails.

 

AND now consider that in European Football ENGLAND produce by far the most successful clubs in the modern era.

 

Not one of those clubs - Arsenal, United, Chelsea or Liverpool has a Sporting Director/DoF.

 

So why the feck should we want one??

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Real Madrid have had 15 managers in about 15 years. During a period of 13 in 12 years, they won the European cup several times.

 

In Spain a DoF is not a problem for them, clearly.

 

But to mirror this approach, you would have to structure the whole club around the DoF.

 

In this country we simply do not do this, which is why in the UK it nearly always fails.

 

AND now consider that in European Football ENGLAND produce by far the most successful clubs in the modern era.

 

Not one of those clubs - Arsenal, United, Chelsea or Liverpool has a Sporting Director/DoF.

So why the feck should we want one??

 

 

Chelsea do have Frank Arnesen though who scours the world for talent to develop for the first team, taking the pressure of the manager, especially when it comes to paperwork and managing all the difficulties that can arise in those delicate situations with young players.

 

I believe that is working incredibly well at the moment.

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Chelsea do have Frank Arnesen though who scours the world for talent to develop for the first team, taking the pressure of the manager, especially when it comes to paperwork and managing all the difficulties that can arise in those delicate situations with young players.

 

I believe that is working incredibly well at the moment.

 

I believe they last won the league when Mr Mourinho was in charge. ;)

 

And no doubt since, having appointed the Sporting Director, he has been allowed to appoint his manager.

 

When Chelsea have won the league and European Cup, I might defer to it working in the UK...

 

But come on, how do Benitez, Wenger, Fergie, O'Neill, Redknapp, Moyes manage so well when a DoF is clearly essential??

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I believe they last won the league when Mr Mourinho was in charge. ;)

 

And no doubt since, having appointed the Sporting Director, he has been allowed to appoint his manager.

 

When Chelsea have won the league and European Cup, I might defer to it working in the UK...

 

But come on, how do Benitez, Wenger, Fergie, O'Neill, Redknapp, Moyes manage so well when a DoF is clearly essential??

 

 

I knew I should have put a smiley on that post. Funnily enough there's a feature on Five Live at the moment about how poorly the Chelsea Academy is performing with a grand total of zero regular first teamers produced so far after £10m-odd worth of investment!

 

Imagine if that was the record of the Saints Academy under our old and forgotten friend!

 

 

PS - On DoFs - I think the could work here, you don't need them at every club, but could definitely help if used in the right way. Bally/Lawrie worked for a year - we started the thing in England!

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I knew I should have put a smiley on that post. Funnily enough there's a feature on Five Live at the moment about how poorly the Chelsea Academy is performing with a grand total of zero regular first teamers produced so far after £10m-odd worth of investment!

 

Imagine if that was the record of the Saints Academy under our old and forgotten friend!

 

 

PS - On DoFs - I think the could work here, you don't need them at every club, but could definitely help if used in the right way. Bally/Lawrie worked for a year - we started the thing in England!

 

Listen, I'm still waiting (genuinely) for you to work out how many games we need to win to be in the p'offs!!!

 

Have to say on the DoF, I'm not convinced and definitely not with the Coppel Pardew suggestion... cos I think DD is right, Coppel will be manager in no time!!!!

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Never thought Coppell would come to Saints, still holds a grudge from 76 :)

 

Nah, he's not nearly as bitter as ManUre's other 'wingman' that day, Gordon Hill. And I am definitely ITK here as I used to be VERY intimate with his (Gordon Hill's) sister. (Family get togethers were great fun with me winding him up all day about being subbed off during the final, and then he would ask me how many England caps I had won :( ).

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This is indeed very true. But Pardew and Coppell are friends and have worked together before.

 

It will be interesting to see how it plays out, if it happen's at all.

 

As were Lawrie and Bally.But it didn't stop it ending in tears.

 

Coppell though is probably less likely to seek the limelight,which will allow the DoF/manager relationship to function better in my view.Should it ever happen of course.

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Nah, he's not nearly as bitter as ManUre's other 'wingman' that day, Gordon Hill. And I am definitely ITK here as I used to be VERY intimate with his (Gordon Hill's) sister. (Family get togethers were great fun with me winding him up all day about being subbed off during the final, and then he would ask me how many England caps I had won :( ).

 

To which Minsk you could reply... as many FA Cup winners medals as you ;)

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Of course it was a hoax - in which thousands of people willing participated in and have kept secret for over thirty years including the Russians and the Chinese who monitored every move but allowed the Americans to pretend to do something they wanted to be the first to do and my wife's uncle who was head hunted to NASA prior to the moon landings.

 

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the answer.

 

As for the Director of Football - well let them do it and see if it works. I'm sure the football people at Saints have got more of a clue than I have.

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Of course it was a hoax - in which thousands of people willing participated in and have kept secret for over thirty years including the Russians and the Chinese who monitored every move but allowed the Americans to pretend to do something they wanted to be the first to do and my wife's uncle who was head hunted to NASA prior to the moon landings.

 

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the answer.

 

As for the Director of Football - well let them do it and see if it works. I'm sure the football people at Saints have got more of a clue than I have.

 

I wish I had said this in the first place. Instead of mentioning windows n stuff, ah, faux pas.

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I believe whoever comes in as Sporting Director, and I have thought for some time it might be Coppell, will be Pardew's boss.

 

He will set the job targets and consult with Pardew but I doubt he will interfer with the training or tactical side. Pardew will go to him and identify a weak area in the team and, following consultation with his coaches/scouts will say who he wants. the SD will then negotiate and try to make it happen. He will also negotiate contracts freeing Pardew to concentrate on team matters on the pitch/training

 

Of course as Sporting Director will have overall control and report to the Chairman. Pardew would not have a say in who is appointed to that position but I suspect he will be content if the set up is as I suggest above and someone with the experience of Coppell got the job.

 

hi Weston...if coppell is now 'available' (following his self imposed 6 month sabbatical) and cortese is keen to install a Sporting Director, then any idea what the 'hold up' is? I don't buy this 'by next summer' smokescreen (for want of a less controversial word).

 

It suggests to me that Coppell is not sure it's what he wants rather than cortese not rushing into an appointment. Reading between the lines of course.

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Was there not a photo of coppell during a game last season where he was stood talking to a board member of ours?

 

I'm not trying to find a link but it certainly looked a thoughtful picture.

 

Yep...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=277944#post277944

 

three weeks into administration at that point. I wonder when mr liebherr first became aware of the 'opportunity' of buying saints....?

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