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Sold To The Man @ The Bar

Sold To The Man @ The Bar

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DOF is an unnecessary post. Let Pardew manage, and Cortese do the contracts and transfer negotiations.

 

Why do we need anyone else. I would rather spend the money on a couple of loans.

 

We are not short of money, its not a question of splitting the pot accordingly, we can have a DOF and "a couple of loans" this is about building an infrastructure that will take us back to the prem. Cortese is not a football man, he is a very good financier and businessman ... he would not be on first name terms with the prem managers or owners, where Mr Coppell would.

 

I believe this would be a real statement of intent by the club and would welcome it with open arms.

rallyboy

rallyboy

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can Coppell play on either wing?

He would be ideal for providing service so I see it as a shrewd signing.

Though I would worry that two games a week might be too much for his knee, he is fitter than Ledley King so we might be able to sell him to Spurs in January.

Badger

Badger

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so coppell to take over if/when AP fails

 

Or reading too much into it?

 

That is the all too obvious conclusion to reach and shows how poisoned a role the DoF position is seen as in England due to history of DoF's.

 

It seems to work at Reading and Exeter though where the DoF's are supportive of their managers.At Reading no one would really have heard of Hammond and he keeps a low profile which helps enormously.

 

No for me. DOF never work out - they are more trouble than they are worth. Just ask Dennis Wise at Newcastle.

 

Asking KK might make it more interesting.And I wonde what Alan Ball really thought of the role and its implication for the manager ?

 

As for Coppell,I think he has the intelligence and knowledge of the game to be good in this role.

 

Don't forget its in the Mirror though,and the story may have been lifted from the photographs on this site.

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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We are not short of money, its not a question of splitting the pot accordingly, we can have a DOF and "a couple of loans" this is about building an infrastructure that will take us back to the prem. Cortese is not a football man, he is a very good financier and businessman ... he would not be on first name terms with the prem managers or owners, where Mr Coppell would.

 

I believe this would be a real statement of intent by the club and would welcome it with open arms.

 

You make a good point, but I can't help thinking that DOFs are a recipe for disaster.

 

Coppell is someone I rate very highly. Shrewd as they come, I think he even has a degree in economics. I don't doubt that he would do the job properly and well.

 

I suppose if he comes with Pardew's blessing then it's worth a try.

derry

derry

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Coppell has a good pedigree, international player, winger, coach and manager, has a very stable personality. Unusually for a footballer is a university graduate and appears particularly mature and has worked with the other members of the management team in the past. I would welcome him.

CB Fry

CB Fry

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Hmmm... I doubt this is true... I think the reality is more likely to go a bit like this:

 

* Cortese gives some vague hints as to the sort of structure he would like to see at the club....

 

Some time later...

 

* The Mirror hears a rumour that Saints are talking to someone who has previously been employed by Brentford and Palace.

* The Mirror jumps to the conclusion that Saints are about to sign Coppell as DoF.

* The Mirror begins to put the story together.

* Saints announce that Wally Downes has been signed as coach, thus bringing in a two tier structure with Pardew in charge of transfers and player management and Downes in charge of coaching.

* The Mirror decide to continue with their story anyway having invested a lot of time and money into it.

 

 

How much "time and money" do you think the Mirror "invest" into stories about League One Southampton Football Club? (Clue: none)

 

This story will be based on a couple of phone calls from one, maximum two, sources. Hacks in the Mirror aren't piecing together extravagent stories about Southampton Football Club over weeks and months you know.

 

The story might be true, it might not be true, but it hasn't cost anyone "time and money"

 

:rolleyes:

Professor

Professor

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DOF is an unnecessary post. Let Pardew manage, and Cortese do the contracts and transfer negotiations.

 

Why do we need anyone else. I would rather spend the money on a couple of loans.

 

The question answers itself. Cortese does not have experience of handling footballer contracts and transfers. The DoF role would be to relieve the chairman, not the manager. No manager can bring in any players he wants without board level approval. What difference does it make to the manager whether that is done by the chairman, or by a DoF, except that a DoF may be more knowledgeable?

Capel Saint

Capel Saint

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A DOF can work, providing both jobs have clear defined roles so neither the DOF or Manager step on each others toes. It will also depend on whether Coppell would be happy with this new role or wants to get back into management.

 

Personally I can see it working as Coppell is a quiet man who just gets on with things without making a big fuss. If he truely doesn't want a manager role anymore then this would be a good acquisition for the club, if Coppell accepts.

bungle

bungle

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Good. It's only the typical backward British attitude to football which means DoF/General Manager's aren't more prevelent. It works at a number of clubs, but also in a number of other sports across the world.

lordswoodsaints

lordswoodsaints

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If true I would say that the owners are preparing for when pardew ****s up,it'll be good for continuity.

I would also like to add that pardew probably wasn't their first choice so perhaps they have finally got their man.

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krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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DOF is an unnecessary post. Let Pardew manage, and Cortese do the contracts and transfer negotiations.

 

Why do we need anyone else. I would rather spend the money on a couple of loans.

 

Cortese is the CEO of the company and does not want to be doing the contracts and negotiations. The Sporting Director role is a mirror to the Oldknow role on the commercial side. If you like an "assistant" to the CEO but one with more expertise in the football business world. OR WOULD YOU LIKE CORTESE TO BECOME LOWE 2?

bungle

bungle

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If true I would say that the owners are preparing for when pardew ****s up,it'll be good for continuity.

I would also like to add that pardew probably wasn't there first choice so perhaps they have finally got their man.

 

You truly have no idea what you are on about.

SaintRichmond

SaintRichmond

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The question answers itself. Cortese does not have experience of handling footballer contracts and transfers. The DoF role would be to relieve the chairman, not the manager. No manager can bring in any players he wants without board level approval. What difference does it make to the manager whether that is done by the chairman, or by a DoF, except that a DoF may be more knowledgeable?

 

 

Plus of course, with the best will in the world, he and his Family do not want to reside in the UK permanently ...

SaintRichmond

SaintRichmond

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Cortese is the CEO of the company and does not want to be doing the contracts and negotiations. The Sporting Director role is a mirror to the Oldknow role on the commercial side. If you like an "assistant" to the CEO but one with more expertise in the football business world. OR WOULD YOU LIKE CORTESE TO BECOME LOWE 2?[/QUOTE]

 

 

 

.............................................................................. NO:D:rolleyes::):cool:

INFLUENCED.COM

INFLUENCED.COM

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Let's see...

 

A Director approved by the owner to make decisions about Footballing issues who would know and be able to work in a team with the Manager.

 

That would be my understanding of it, toward the end Coppell seemed to have lost interest in 'management' imo but not football, seems a decent guy and if him and AP are pals its a union that can only compliment our club.

Pilchards

Pilchards

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If true I would say that the owners are preparing for when pardew ****s up,it'll be good for continuity.

I would also like to add that pardew probably wasn't their first choice so perhaps they have finally got their man.

 

Sorry you are way off.

 

Other than Pardew what football man associated with the club knows anything about the game?

We have finance people on the board but no skills whatsoever in selling our club to a player.

bungle

bungle

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And you do of course.

 

You need to get out more if my posts offend you.

 

They don't offend me. I just feel sorry for you as you are clearly a deluded fool with no clue.

John B

John B

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You make a good point, but I can't help thinking that DOFs are a recipe for disaster.

 

Coppell is someone I rate very highly. Shrewd as they come, I think he even has a degree in economics. I don't doubt that he would do the job properly and well.

 

I suppose if he comes with Pardew's blessing then it's worth a try.

 

I tend to agree but I would have preferred the DOF to be appointed first then the DOF appoint the manager.

 

I suppose in our case because of circumstances this could not be achieved

lordswoodsaints

lordswoodsaints

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They don't offend me. I just feel sorry for you as you are clearly a deluded fool with no clue.

 

Nice.

Another 'brave behind a monitor' user,just what this forum is crying out for.

 

Once again for the hard of reading,If you don't like what I post don't comment,just jog on to the next post.

 

If you insist on turning the pardew in/out thing into a competition then I'm right up for it........I say he won't last the season.......what is your prediction?

It's the only way to tell who has a clue.

Up for it?

trousers

trousers

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;)

 

I'm thinking the same thing. It'd be a prudent contingency measure....

 

When does/did Coppell's self imposed 6 month football management sabbatical end....?

bungle

bungle

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Nice.

Another 'brave behind a monitor' user,just what this forum is crying out for.

 

Once again for the hard of reading,If you don't like what I post don't comment,just jog on to the next post.

 

If you insist on turning the pardew in/out thing into a competition then I'm right up for it........I say he won't last the season.......what is your prediction?

It's the only way to tell who has a clue.

Up for it?

 

The completely obvious answer is that Pardew is here to stay long term and there will be absolutely no issues with him last the whole season. There is not even a discussion to be had about it.

lordswoodsaints

lordswoodsaints

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The completely obvious answer is that Pardew is here to stay long term and there will be absolutely no issues with him last the whole season. There is not even a discussion to be had about it.

 

Ok we should agree to disagree until the event happens.

In the meantime just ignore my posts,it will only cause a knot in your stomach.

bungle

bungle

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Ok we should agree to disagree until the event happens.

In the meantime just ignore my posts,it will only cause a knot in your stomach.

 

Certainly not. It is very important to make sure that posters like yourself are talked down, because you are in the wrong.

kpturner

kpturner

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If true I would say that the owners are preparing for when pardew ****s up,it'll be good for continuity.

I would also like to add that pardew probably wasn't their first choice so perhaps they have finally got their man.

Could you also tell us who really shot JFK? My missus is fascinated by that conspiracy theory. I would also like to know if the US really landed on the moon.
lordswoodsaints

lordswoodsaints

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Certainly not. It is very important to make sure that posters like yourself are talked down, because you are in the wrong.

 

Tbf I wish I was always in the wrong,but alas I have been burdoned with 'the gift' and I just have to try and live as normal as the rest of you.

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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If Cortese is sensible he will consult AP over the appointment and pick a person that Pardew knows, trusts, and is happy with. In the past Pardew has cited Keith Pea**** and Steve Coppell as his mentors, and Peter Grant and Alan Smith as a good friends in football and any one of these would be a good call as a Sporting Director to work WITH and FOR the manager...

Dibden Purlieu Saint

Dibden Purlieu Saint

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You make a good point, but I can't help thinking that DOFs are a recipe for disaster.

 

Coppell is someone I rate very highly. Shrewd as they come, I think he even has a degree in economics. I don't doubt that he would do the job properly and well.

 

I suppose if he comes with Pardew's blessing then it's worth a try.

 

I've got a degree in Economics, maybe I could do it? :D

 

For my 2 pence, it would be an excellent appointment. It hasn't worked at some clubs, but onlky clubs where the managers tend to be old school and fully hands on.

kpturner

kpturner

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Even the bit about Pardew not being "first choice"?
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but you can seriously think that they would employ AP then, when the original first choice (and there is nothing to say that was Coppell) changes his mind, decide to bring him as a DoF instead. Would this be with a view to undermine the manager and replace him asap? Just how would that be an good thing to do for the well-being and stability of the club? Call me naive, but it sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense to me. I think it is just a case of needing somebody else that knows the football business involved. Coppell would be a good choice to work with AP IMHO.
krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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Maybe the idea originally was to get in Coppell as Sporting Director as a "first" appointment. He wasn't ready to commit to the role but said he was interested after taking a sabbatical? Maybe it was Coppell who suggested Pardew for the role of manager and maybe Pardew was told all of this (and the fact that Coppell, would be joining later as SD) during his interview and prior to him accepting the role? All hearsay, guesswork and speculation but quite feasible IMO!

trousers

trousers

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Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but you can seriously think that they would employ AP then, when the original first choice (and there is nothing to say that was Coppell) changes his mind, decide to bring him as a DoF instead. Would this be with a view to undermine the manager and replace him asap? Just how would that be an good thing to do for the well-being and stability of the club? Call me naive, but it sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense to me. I think it is just a case of needing somebody else that knows the football business involved. Coppell would be a good choice to work with AP IMHO.

 

Totally agree. I was just questioning 'poster X' who suggested 'poster Y' didn't know what he was talking about. 'Poster Y' may well have been correct in suggesting that "Pardew probably wasn't their first choice".

 

Just an observation. That's all.

SaintJackoInHurworth

SaintJackoInHurworth

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Hmmm... I doubt this is true... I think the reality is more likely to go a bit like this:

 

* Cortese gives some vague hints as to the sort of structure he would like to see at the club....

 

Some time later...

 

* The Mirror hears a rumour that Saints are talking to someone who has previously been employed by Brentford and Palace.

* The Mirror jumps to the conclusion that Saints are about to sign Coppell as DoF.

* The Mirror begins to put the story together.

* Saints announce that Wally Downes has been signed as coach, thus bringing in a two tier structure with Pardew in charge of transfers and player management and Downes in charge of coaching.

* The Mirror decide to continue with their story anyway having invested a lot of time and money into it.

 

 

Looks like (maybe!) I wasn't far off! :)

 

(OK I accept CB Fry's point that the Mirror won't have put much time and money into it but the basic argument still holds good)

 

Of course, the other possibility is that there is some truth in the rumour (especially if the Echo are right in saying that Cortese is intending to appoint a DoF at some stage) and that Coppell has basically said that he isn't prepared to consider the role until next summer, when he has had some time off and had time to consider his options.

trousers

trousers

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"However, Cortese is in no rush and has said he wants the appointment to be in place by the start of the summer transfer window.

The Echo understands that, not only have no moves been made on that front yet, but none are likely to be made until next summer".

Erm, far be it from me to tell Mr Cortese how to run a football club, but if he believes the DoF is a crucial role then why would he wait until next Summer to fill it?

 

Either it's an important role or it isn't....surely?

 

One assumes he realises that that there is a transfer window in January during which a DoF might be quite a useful asset too?

(To satisfy the 'negativity police', the above is not a criticism or judgement, just a query based on observation)

krissyboy31

krissyboy31

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"However, Cortese is in no rush and has said he wants the appointment to be in place by the start of the summer transfer window.

The Echo understands that, not only have no moves been made on that front yet, but none are likely to be made until next summer".

Erm, far be it from me to tell Mr Cortese how to run a football club, but if he believes the DoF is a crucial role then why would he wait until next Summer to fill it?

 

Either it's an important role or it isn't....surely?

 

One assumes he realises that that there is a transfer window in January during which a DoF might be quite a useful asset too?

(To satisfy the 'negativity police', the above is not a criticism or judgement, just a query based on observation)

 

Unless they know who they want but he/she is not available until the summer?

DT

DT

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Rupert Lowe would make a good director of football.

Sorry, i meant to say Rupert Lowe is a tosser. It just came out wrong.

Wes Tender

Wes Tender

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Once again for the hard of reading,If you don't like what I post don't comment,just jog on to the next post.

 

So let's just give up commenting on those things we disagree with in posts, as there is obviously no point in having a discussion, thus defeating the whole essence of this forum. :rolleyes:

trousers

trousers

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Unless they know who they want but he/she is not available until the summer?

 

Could well be the case, but, like I say, if the role is 'important' (which one has to assume that Cortese believes it is) then waiting a year to 'get the right man' would seem to negate (somewhat) the 'importance' factor?

 

But there again, what do I know? I've never run a football club before....

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