Kick to the Northan 2nd half

[OldNick]

.... so that's no actual evidence to support your theory then .

 

You have unfairly accused me of a self serving argument when I've defended the status quo (I can assure you I'd rather the team won which ever end the goals go in) but it seems to me you Sir could be accused of exactly the same self serving offence with at least equal plausibility . Your description of the Northam as a 'proper' stand (with the implication that fans from other areas are inferior somehow) veers perilously close to the notorious 'superfan' claim that reasonable fans from all sections of St Marys may well find risible .

 

The fact that a few people on here think a theory is correct without so much as a shred of supporting evidence leaves be unimpressed , for example I understand 80 million US citizens believe that the Earth was created by God in 7 days about 5000 years ago - I'm I supposed to accept that as well ?

 

As this nonsense debate seems to be a fact free zone I'll help it out with some true but meaningless facts :

 

1- Every League goal SFC has scored at SMS this season has gone in at the Chapel end - all during the second half of the game .

2- Every League goal SFC has conceded at SMS this season has gone in at the Northam end - all during the second half of the game .

 

Looking at the above facts (based on only home 3 games admittedly) you might well argue that the way we play now maximises our second half scoring and the 'noisy' Northam seems to rob the defence of its composure somehow , but I don't claim any such thing because the whole argument is fundamentally absurd . Geography cannot win a football match - only players can .

I must repeat , if attacking Northam end of St Marys gave the team some mysterious second half advantage then this would be easily provable statistically and the club would certainly have adopted this practice (when we win the toss) long long ago .

What a load of tosh, I have not said the Northam are better fans and definately not me as I dont even travel away.

It is a case that the Chapel creates no noise or encouragement of note.Therefore it is sense to kick to that end 2nd half and not give the advantage to the away team where they are lifted by their support. We have an appalling home record and I look at other clubs to and notice they kick to theior fans 2nd half and the away sides obviously prefer to do so as they always attack their end 2nd half.

It may be a nonsense theory but the old way hasn't worked has it?

[kpturner]

Many teams put the away fans where they can make no difference to help their team.

Examples please. With the exception of those with mega stadiums that can afford some puny section in outer space (like St James' Park for example) I don't think many clubs have such a luxury - especially in and around L1.

[OldNick]

Examples please. With the exception of those with mega stadiums that can afford some puny section in outer space (like St James' Park for example) I don't think many clubs have such a luxury - especially in and around L1.

Norwich, man u Spurs. i dont go to many away games. Of course in the old grounds this would not be he case. I remember when we gave the away fans the archers in the old bike shed,the away fans were then able to create more noise than the home fans, after lots of complaints it was changed.Of course that wouldnt make a difference in some peoples minds, but i recall when Newcastle froze when the archers got up for it in an amazing turn of atmosphere that time where we were drifting to a 1-0 loss but the game turned and we won 3-1.it was not down to the players doing something but the Archers lifted and changed the grounds atmosphere, i was up in the east stand and you could feel it sweeping the ground.The players got energised and things changed, it was remarkable.

[kpturner]

Norwich, man u Spurs. i dont go to many away games. Of course in the old grounds this would not be he case. I remember when we gave the away fans the archers in the old bike shed,the away fans were then able to create more noise than the home fans, after lots of complaints it was changed.Of course that wouldnt make a difference in some peoples minds, but i recall when Newcastle froze when the archers got up for it in an amazing turn of atmosphere that time where we were drifting to a 1-0 loss but the game turned and we won 3-1.it was not down to the players doing something but the Archers lifted and changed the grounds atmosphere, i was up in the east stand and you could feel it sweeping the ground.The players got energised and things changed, it was remarkable.

With the possible exception of Norwich, you have just given two examples that fit the category that I said we would have to exclude. Teams like Spurs, Newcastle, Man Utd etc have the luxury of sticking away fans in outer space.

 

I was at that Newcastle game and it was a remarkable finale - but to suggest it was the doing of the Archers Road fans is pure fantasy. How can you say that it was not down to the players doing anything? Newcastle were comfortable for 88 minutes and the place was like a morgue. Then we got a barely deserved equaliser - that was the players doing (not the crowd). Only after the equaliser did the whole atmosphere change (the whole ground, not just the Archers) and Newcastle collapsed. That was one of the things that the Dell helped us with in many games.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

What a load of tosh, I have not said the Northam are better fans and definately not me as I dont even travel away.

It is a case that the Chapel creates no noise or encouragement of note.Therefore it is sense to kick to that end 2nd half and not give the advantage to the away team where they are lifted by their support. We have an appalling home record and I look at other clubs to and notice they kick to theior fans 2nd half and the away sides obviously prefer to do so as they always attack their end 2nd half.

It may be a nonsense theory but the old way hasn't worked has it?

 

An honest appraisal of our poor end of game performance will show that the problem is not so much that we don't score enough second half goals (as far as I'm aware we score significantly more often in the second half than the first) but rather we concede far too many late goals - more often than not at the Northam end despite its supposed 'advantages' to the home team .

 

So even if you accept this 'Kicking towards the Northam' argument (I don't) any theoretical increase in our scoring by employing this strategy would logicly be negated by a corresponding increased vulnerability at the Chapel end goal .

 

The net result of of this chopping and changing would be to leave us exactly where we are now . There are no easy answers in life - or football .

[OldNick]

An honest appraisal of our poor end of game performance will show that the problem is not so much that we don't score enough second half goals (as far as I'm aware we score significantly more often in the second half than the first) but rather we concede far too many late goals - more often than not at the Northam end despite its supposed 'advantages' to the home team .

 

So even if you accept this 'Kicking towards the Northam' argument (I don't) any theoretical increase in our scoring by employing this strategy would logicly be negated by a corresponding increased vulnerability at the Chapel end goal .

 

The net result of of this chopping and changing would be to leave us exactly where we are now . There are no easy answers in life - or football .

Well the advantage is to the away team kivcking ot their fans. We are polarised in our opinions on this.

I believe we need something.Some thought the white witch helped before,and our form turned so why not change something that may just give a slightly different mindset.

It would be interesting if we could find the ststs we results kicking to each end second half.It may just show no difference but you never know it may show a better win ratio.

[hamster]

Just off the top of my head the Forest gae was definitley a 'game of 2 halves' last season. And before anyone says it, I know that they struggled to stay up, but was it not their home form that saved them.

 

The second half they play to their 'home' end, and I know that their are many factors to winning a game, but they were roared on that day by the home fans.

[kpturner]

Just off the top of my head the Forest gae was definitley a 'game of 2 halves' last season. And before anyone says it, I know that they struggled to stay up, but was it not their home form that saved them.

 

The second half they play to their 'home' end, and I know that their are many factors to winning a game, but they were roared on that day by the home fans.

So were we kicking towards our fans in the second half too?

[hamster]

Good point, well made.

[bpsaint]

I think Davis needs to stop wearing Grey shorts and sock and use the blue ones.Negative influence IMO.

 

I'd rather kick to the Northam 2nd half out of personal preference,although when I think of the biggest games we've won at St Marys we've normally been kicking to the Chapel in the 2nd half.

 

Now i'm not saying someone from the club saw this,but since I posted it Davis hasn't worn the grey short sock combination and we've seen a rise in out fortunes.Do you think perhaps he thought the same thing.

[aintforever]

What a dumb thread, even if noise levels make any difference it's still just as important to play well in the first half as the second.

[hamster]

What a dumb thread, even if noise levels make any difference it's still just as important to play well in the first half as the second.

 

Try telling that to Nickh, I would welcome his thoughts on this matter.

[OldNick]

What a dumb thread, even if noise levels make any difference it's still just as important to play well in the first half as the second.

well if it is so dumb, how come 100% of the time the opposing team kick to the Northam when they win the toss. How come Liverpool and Man u always kick top the stretford or Kop second half.

The second half is obviously the more crucial half as that is when the real business is done in a tight match.Everylittle thing in your favour you try and tilt in your ballance.IMo the away teams seem more energised when they attack to their fans.

 

It is my opinion only, but our home form has been poor since SMS has been opened and the moajoirty of the time we have kicked to the Chapel of rest second half.

[OldNick]

What a dumb thread, even if noise levels make any difference it's still just as important to play well in the first half as the second.

well if it is so dumb, how come 100% of the time the opposing team kick to the Northam when they win the toss. How come Liverpool and Man u always kick top the stretford or Kop second half.

The second half is obviously the more crucial half as that is when the real business is done in a tight match.Everyl ittle thing in your favour you try and tilt in your balance.IMO the away teams seem more energised when they attack to their fans.

 

It is my opinion only, but our home form has been poor since SMS has been opened and the majority of the time we have kicked to the Chapel of Rest second half.

If the club shut the Northam to home fans and made me relocate I wouldnt worry if it meant the ground having a intinidating end that roared the team on in the vital second half period.Of course if you mess up in the first half and are 2 or 3 down it doesnt matter.

[aintforever]

well if it is so dumb, how come 100% of the time the opposing team kick to the Northam when they win the toss. How come Liverpool and Man u always kick top the stretford or Kop second half.

The second half is obviously the more crucial half as that is when the real business is done in a tight match.Everylittle thing in your favour you try and tilt in your ballance.IMo the away teams seem more energised when they attack to their fans.

 

It is my opinion only, but our home form has been poor since SMS has been opened and the moajoirty of the time we have kicked to the Chapel of rest second half.

 

The players are free to choose to shoot to whichever goal they want, it just depends who wins the toss. If they thought it made a difference they would just shoot the other way.

[OldNick]

The players are free to choose to shoot to whichever goal they want, it just depends who wins the toss. If they thought it made a difference they would just shoot the other way.

The away sides always when they win the toss attack their fans in the second half.

Perhaps the players think that the Chapel of Rest is in fact attacking the home fans.I will wager if the Northam becomes mainly home fans who are making all the noise then they will kick to the northam 2nd half.

[krissyboy31]

The players are free to choose to shoot to whichever goal they want, it just depends who wins the toss. If they thought it made a difference they would just shoot the other way.

 

And if we didn't have a bloody goalkeeper as a captain I'm sure they would. KD thinks of 2 things: Sun in his eyes (even though this isn't usually a problem during the English football season) and his personal reception coming out second half.

[70's Mike]

And if we didn't have a bloody goalkeeper as a captain I'm sure they would. KD thinks of 2 things: Sun in his eyes (even though this isn't usually a problem during the English football season) and his personal reception coming out second half.

 

A bit harsh

[OldNick]

And if we didn't have a bloody goalkeeper as a captain I'm sure they would. KD thinks of 2 things: Sun in his eyes (even though this isn't usually a problem during the English football season) and his personal reception coming out second half.

Lol

[aintforever]

The away sides always when they win the toss attack their fans in the second half.

Perhaps the players think that the Chapel of Rest is in fact attacking the home fans.I will wager if the Northam becomes mainly home fans who are making all the noise then they will kick to the northam 2nd half.

 

Maybe, but fact is they are perfectly free to choose which way they shoot first half.

 

If they thought it was an advantage shooting to the Northam 2nd half, they would shoot to the Northam 2nd half.

 

Thread closed.

[OldNick]

Thread closed.

thanks for that.