Kick to the Northan 2nd half

[kpturner]

The first half on Saturday was loud (kicking towards the Northam) whereas the second half was quiet (towards the Chapel).

 

It is important we back the team for 90, and so kicking towards the Northam in the second half would be both wise and beneficial. A good point well made nickh.

So that we have a better chance of catching up the goals we would have conceded in the first half (when the atmosphere was crap) presumably?

[Gingeletiss]

I always try and throw 1or 2 mistakes in to really p### you orf

 

Hell nick.........you've sure p1ssed off a lot on here;).....

 

Don't bother SS/CB/GS etc:rolleyes:

[RedAndWhite91]

So that we have a better chance of catching up the goals we would have conceded in the first half (when the atmosphere was crap) presumably?

 

Oooh I only thought of one side of this... It's a good point, but hopefully as our defence is a lot more solid now, we will not concede in the first half and then bang in about 3 or 4 goals in front of the Northam

[kpturner]

Oooh I only thought of one side of this... It's a good point, but hopefully as our defence is a lot more solid now, we will not concede in the first half and then bang in about 3 or 4 goals in front of the Northam

Good point, but us quiet folk would love a goal or two at our end also.

[hamster]

People, take it from someone who knows. And Nickh will back me up on this.

 

It is better to attack facing the Northam End. Evidence???

 

Check the forum match on youtube, it is **** easy to score at that end, even if you some do need the help of a dodgy ref who can't see an elbow in the face, but can see an imaginary hand-ball.

 

 

Subject closed, unless one of the mods wakes up and wants to start a poll.

[OldNick]

Hell nick.........you've sure p1ssed off a lot on here;).....

 

Don't bother SS/CB/GS etc:rolleyes:

I dont have the monopoly on that Ginge

[OldNick]

So that we have a better chance of catching up the goals we would have conceded in the first half (when the atmosphere was crap) presumably?

As a matter of interest , when you play for eastleigh (?)do you attack to your fans (not as in YOUR fans) 1st or 2nd half?

[kpturner]

As a matter of interest , when you play for eastleigh (?)do you attack to your fans (not as in YOUR fans) 1st or 2nd half?

I usually wait until after the final whistle.

[OldNick]

I usually wait until after the final whistle.

that is a sidestep

[kpturner]

that is a sidestep

I just don't know whether or not to let you continue to think I play for Eastleigh :-)

[red&white56]

The first half on Saturday was loud (kicking towards the Northam) whereas the second half was quiet (towards the Chapel).

 

It is important we back the team for 90, and so kicking towards the Northam in the second half would be both wise and beneficial. A good point well made nickh.

 

It's not just the direction that influences the volume of noise - it's also a reflection of how the game is going. On Saturday i was shouting / singing in the first half but by the second i was in a state of amazement at the game of head tennis going on in front of me.......... I was too depressed to sing.

[RedAndWhite91]

It's not just the direction that influences the volume of noise - it's also a reflection of how the game is going. On Saturday i was shouting / singing in the first half but by the second i was in a state of amazement at the game of head tennis going on in front of me.......... I was too depressed to sing.

 

Yes I do agree in part with that, and of course when a lot of people feel the same and decide to not sing, it almost has a domino effect. I think it was the quietest I have heard the Northam in a long time - But can't blame anyone when there is just a typical 0-0 being played out there.

[OldNick]

I just don't know whether or not to let you continue to think I play for Eastleigh :-)

I knew it was in the reserves of a veterans team

but I cant recall which.

[kpturner]

I knew it was in the reserves of a veterans team

but I cant recall which.

5-a-side after work ;-)

[Third Division South Days]

At the Dell did we not normally attack the Archers Road end in the first half - the opposition end. The sunshine factor was also the same.

[Deanovski]

lets make this a poll.

[krissyboy31]

At the Dell did we not normally attack the Archers Road end in the first half - the opposition end. The sunshine factor was also the same.

 

I know that we're one of the sunnier places in the country but how often do we actually see it during the football season in England? Anyway, what's wrong with KD wearing a cap or is he worried about getting hat-hair?

[Gingeletiss]

Anyway...........why are we worried about the sun.......we don't have sunny days anymore;)

[OldNick]

5-a-side after work ;-)

Iam going to get OhhTerry to give you a kick now

[hackedoff]

Must be the only team that likes to " attack" towards its " kop " end in the first half and then lets its opponents have the benefit of kicking towards their own fans in the second.....strange.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Whilst I'd personally prefer we kicked towards the Northam in the second half, since we've been at SMS I believe we've scored a lot more goals at the Chapel end.

 

Every league goal SFC has scored at SMS this season ?

[ringwood]

hmm so lets blame the old regime, we have built the stadium the wrong way round !

[saints triumph]

Every league goal SFC has scored at SMS this season ?

And the away teams have scored at the Northam. Do you remember the games that cost us relegation when we were comfortably up at half time only to draw or lose when the away team were kicking to the Northam. leeds, charlton, middlesborugh etc.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think the OP has a very valid point - we play rubbish when Saints kick off the 1st half right to left and I'm sat in the Kingsland. However, when I sit in the Itchen and they're kicking off left to right the team seem to play that much better. HTH.

[dune]

I made this exact point the other week.

 

It's madness to attack the Chapel in the second half.

 

Club officials read this site - so sort it out.

[SaintRichmond]

Being in the Itchen stand towards the Chapel end, I quite like it the way it is thanks :-)

 

That aside, don't you think the position of the sun is a contributary factor when they decide which way to kick? Not something they can do much about.

 

 

EASY solution ..... let the Northam and Chapel swop ends !!!!!!!

 

 

Simples .........

[kpturner]

Simples .........

I hate this meerkat crap. Sorry - anal retention problems.

[SaintRichmond]

hmm so lets blame the old regime, we have built the stadium the wrong way round !

 

 

As a matter of fact ... yes .... but the constraint was the Railway line etc

 

If you compare St Mary's to the Dell, the West Stand was where all the main points were, including Offices, Directors Box etc ... with the sun coming from behind

 

By comparison, at St Mary's ... that should have been The Kingsland Stand

 

In hindsight, the Chapel SHOULD have been the NEW Milton Road End, IMHO ( with the sun coming from behind

 

Saints could have then defended that end in the first half (as now), but the difference being, the "Northam" Roar would have been there for Saints to play to in the second half:cool:

[SaintRichmond]

I hate this meerkat crap. Sorry - anal retention problems.

 

Didn't realise they wern't house trained ....... THAT aspect doesn't come across on Go Compare does it ??

[aintforever]

What a dumb thread, even if the louder support does make a difference then we still need to score goals in the first half anyway. I do wonder about some of the posters on here.

[krissyboy31]

EASY solution ..... let the Northam and Chapel swop ends !!!!!!!

 

Yes but it's not just the Northam is it? The Itchen North and Kingsland North are far more vocal than the near empty Itchen South and the family enclosure in Chapel/Kingsland South corner. We would have to reconfigure the whole ground to get the desired 2nd half atmosphere. Somebody joked that we built the ground the wrong way round earlier and that is not too far from the truth. Not many grounds around the country have the main stand (Directors box, premium seats and players/managers dug out) on the east side of the stadium. Obviously RL enjoyed squinting into the sun, whilst watching the game.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

What a dumb thread, even if the louder support does make a difference then we still need to score goals in the first half anyway. I do wonder about some of the posters on here.

 

Not only dumb but tediously repetitive - we have this same pointless discussion every 3 or 4 months at least with the same absurd 'I'm a better fan than you' prejudice rolled out by the same usual suspects .

 

As has been said on countless occasions in the past , it makes no difference whatsoever which end the team happen to kick towards in each half .

 

If there were any advantage in charging the customary practice the team would surly have done so years ago , the fact that they haven't bothered should answer this ridiculous question you'd have thought .

Edited 8 September, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[Stu Man Do]

well it certainly doesnt seem to have been a factor to help us that often.

It may be a nothing idea but I feel we need to change something to get our home form going and something as silly as that may make a small difference.

I do know that the debacles v Boro Everton ,Villa ,Leeds, Man u (no shame there )last game in PL where we lost important leads we kicked to the Northam ist half. I think (Im sure it was the case) our best performance was kicking to the Chapel first half v Spurs in the cup.

 

We kicked towards the Northam 1st half in that game ;-)

[hamster]

Not only dumb but tediously repetitive - we have this same pointless discussion every 3 or 4 months at least with the same absurd 'I'm a better fan than you' prejudice rolled out by the same usual suspects .

 

As has been said on countless occasions in the past , it makes no difference whatsoever which end the team happen to kick towards in each half .

 

If there were any advantage in charging the customary practice the team would surly have done so years ago , the fact that they haven't bothered should answer this ridiculous question you'd have thought .

 

 

Sorry CEC but I disagree, maybe you don't appreciate it, as you are at the other end, but you can sense the nervousness in the northam when we are under attack in the second half, and I am confident that the players sense it too, at least some do imho. It is palpable at times, especially in the closing minutes, it's as if our players freeze on occasion.

 

Hopefully someone at the club reads this thread and at least they try it for 4 or 5 games, then compare the results.

 

It will look better on TV too, much better than the empty seats of the chapel.

[OldNick]

Not only dumb but tediously repetitive - we have this same pointless discussion every 3 or 4 months at least with the same absurd 'I'm a better fan than you' prejudice rolled out by the same usual suspects .

 

As has been said on countless occasions in the past , it makes no difference whatsoever which end the team happen to kick towards in each half .

 

If there were any advantage in charging the customary practice the team would surly have done so years ago , the fact that they haven't bothered should answer this ridiculous question you'd have thought .

Is this self interest above the teams results.If kicking to the noisy fans is not an advantage tell me why that Man utd alwys kicked to the old stretford and Liverpool the kop. 2nd half.

Patently we needour home form to improve.if by changing old habits that have not worked and it improves our chances just 1% then we should try it.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Is this self interest above the teams results.If kicking to the noisy fans is not an advantage tell me why that Man utd alwys kicked to the old stretford and Liverpool the kop. 2nd half.

Patently we needour home form to improve.if by changing old habits that have not worked and it improves our chances just 1% then we should try it.

 

OK then , produce one shred of evidence that we defend and attack the Northam goal more effectivly than we do the Chapel . As for self interest where do you sit ?

[kpturner]

It will look better on TV too, much better than the empty seats of the chapel.

:confused: I thought the TV cameras usually point to where the ball is?

[krissyboy31]

OK then , produce one shred of evidence that we defend and attack the Northam goal more effectivly than we do the Chapel . As for self interest where do you sit ?

 

How many late goals have we conceded over the last 5 years (with the opponents attacking towards their supporters)? Umm let me think......f'ink loads!!!!

[kpturner]

How many late goals have we conceded over the last 5 years (with the opponents attacking towards their supporters)? Umm let me think......f'ink loads!!!!

Means nothing. It just adds weight to an argument on another thread about our propensity for conceding late goals in general. It has nothing to do with the fact that there may be a handful of away supporters in one corner of the ground. You might as well say that they should put the away supporters in the middle of a stand down the side and then, by some miracle, we will stop shipping late goals. I think you may be disappointed - IMHO of course.

[stinhk]

So the toss is the pivotal point of the match? We better get a psychic as a captain!

[krissyboy31]

Means nothing. It just adds weight to an argument on another thread about our propensity for conceding late goals in general. It has nothing to do with the fact that there may be a handful of away supporters in one corner of the ground. You might as well say that they should put the away supporters in the middle of a stand down the side and then, by some miracle, we will stop shipping late goals. I think you may be disappointed - IMHO of course.

 

Maybe/maybe not!! However, we have won 4 home league games in the last 26. You might not believe in fate, mumbo-jumbo, voodoo, or any bloody super natural or divine intervention but don't you think it's worth trying something different to try and reverse that trend? Anything!!!

[kpturner]

Maybe/maybe not!! However, we have won 4 home league games in the last 26. You might not believe in fate, mumbo-jumbo, voodoo, or any bloody super natural or divine intervention but don't you think it's worth trying something different to try and reverse that trend? Anything!!!

You are right, I don't believe in any of that mumbo-jumbo. Fingers crossed for Saturday ;-)

[OldNick]

Means nothing. It just adds weight to an argument on another thread about our propensity for conceding late goals in general. It has nothing to do with the fact that there may be a handful of away supporters in one corner of the ground. You might as well say that they should put the away supporters in the middle of a stand down the side and then, by some miracle, we will stop shipping late goals. I think you may be disappointed - IMHO of course.

Many teams put the away fans where they can make no difference to help their team.

[OldNick]

OK then , produce one shred of evidence that we defend and attack the Northam goal more effectivly than we do the Chapel . As for self interest where do you sit ?

I do indeed sit in the northam, but your question of me shows you are indeed more worried that your second half entertainment may be effected than the team doing well.

I want us to win and do well and so if it caused me a little inconveinience id be happy to fit in with that.Why are you so adamant that it may not be a factor? Kicking to the chapel has hardly brought us luck and so what have we to lose by trying something different, and giving the players a change.They ultimately decide what way they want it, but Im sure our opponents are pleased we miss a trick.

The away side must choose to kick to their fans second half as we always do whoever wins the toss.Therefore we must be as a club in the minoirity not kicking to the more noisy fans second half.

I have advocatred for the Northam to be moved to the Chapel to make 1 proper end where th4e fans get behind the team, and would happily move there if the rest would do so.

[Saint_Jonny]

Only game I can remember is west brom 07/08 we kicked to the northam 2nd half. Won that 3-2, fantastic game.

[OldNick]

Only game I can remember is west brom 07/08 we kicked to the northam 2nd half. Won that 3-2, fantastic game.

thats the problem I cant recall many games where we kicked to the northam 2nd half to see if there is a better % win rate when we do so.

I do recall the many disasters where we didn't.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I do indeed sit in the northam, but your question of me shows you are indeed more worried that your second half entertainment may be effected than the team doing well.

I want us to win and do well and so if it caused me a little inconveinience id be happy to fit in with that.Why are you so adamant that it may not be a factor? Kicking to the chapel has hardly brought us luck and so what have we to lose by trying something different, and giving the players a change.They ultimately decide what way they want it, but Im sure our opponents are pleased we miss a trick.

The away side must choose to kick to their fans second half as we always do whoever wins the toss.Therefore we must be as a club in the minoirity not kicking to the more noisy fans second half.

I have advocatred for the Northam to be moved to the Chapel to make 1 proper end where th4e fans get behind the team, and would happily move there if the rest would do so.

 

.... so that's no actual evidence to support your theory then .

 

You have unfairly accused me of a self serving argument when I've defended the status quo (I can assure you I'd rather the team won which ever end the goals go in) but it seems to me you Sir could be accused of exactly the same self serving offence with at least equal plausibility . Your description of the Northam as a 'proper' stand (with the implication that fans from other areas are inferior somehow) veers perilously close to the notorious 'superfan' claim that reasonable fans from all sections of St Marys may well find risible .

 

The fact that a few people on here think a theory is correct without so much as a shred of supporting evidence leaves be unimpressed , for example I understand 80 million US citizens believe that the Earth was created by God in 7 days about 5000 years ago - I'm I supposed to accept that as well ?

 

As this nonsense debate seems to be a fact free zone I'll help it out with some true but meaningless facts :

 

1- Every League goal SFC has scored at SMS this season has gone in at the Chapel end - all during the second half of the game .

2- Every League goal SFC has conceded at SMS this season has gone in at the Northam end - all during the second half of the game .

 

Looking at the above facts (based on only home 3 games admittedly) you might well argue that the way we play now maximises our second half scoring and the 'noisy' Northam seems to rob the defence of its composure somehow , but I don't claim any such thing because the whole argument is fundamentally absurd . Geography cannot win a football match - only players can .

I must repeat , if attacking Northam end of St Marys gave the team some mysterious second half advantage then this would be easily provable statistically and the club would certainly have adopted this practice (when we win the toss) long long ago .

[dune]

Many teams put the away fans where they can make no difference to help their team.

 

This won't be a popular view, but if it was down to me i'd put the away fans in the itchen corner and free up the whole Northam for home fans.

[hamster]

This won't be a popular view, but if it was down to me i'd put the away fans in the itchen corner and free up the whole Northam for home fans.

 

Gets my vote, as I have said before too. We should have a 'Home End' and no, the Chapel does not fit the bill, sorry.

[bpsaint]

Maybe/maybe not!! However, we have won 4 home league games in the last 26. You might not believe in fate, mumbo-jumbo, voodoo, or any bloody super natural or divine intervention but don't you think it's worth trying something different to try and reverse that trend? Anything!!!

 

I think Davis needs to stop wearing Grey shorts and sock and use the blue ones.Negative influence IMO.

 

I'd rather kick to the Northam 2nd half out of personal preference,although when I think of the biggest games we've won at St Marys we've normally been kicking to the Chapel in the 2nd half.