Violence

[kpturner]

What a depressing trip down memory lane to the seventies

Oi - don't quote me until I have corrected all my typos :mad:

[OldNick]

Oi - don't quote me until I have corrected all my typos :mad:

surely not a mistake by you? Funnily enough i hadn't picked it up Lol

[Badvoc]

Highbury 84

 

The very same, from BBC News.....

 

[The Majestic Channon]

The very same, from BBC News.....

 

Rolfy on the pitch rolfy rolfy on the pitch

[LUKE9]

The old man mentioned the semi in '84. Question is who won? The battle on the pitch i mean!

 

He also mentions trouble at Bradford away with Leeds fans getting involved, also loads of runnings at Anfield.

 

He's got no scars though, so hes either solid or ran like hell.

 

Prangle

[wokingsaints]

Rolfy on the pitch rolfy rolfy on the pitch

 

remember that day as though it was yesterday, bunked a day off school to get a ticket from the dell, got harressed by plastic scousers on the tube, found a paint scraper on the terraces on the clock end and almost...almost ended up thumping a scouser...i was very young and inocent

[Ponty]

What is it with the tearful reminiscing about the "good old days of getting your head kicked in" on this site?

[adrian lord]

Oh yes and I do believe it was so called Saints fans caused most of it. At the Dell Spurs in 1977/78 was bad even though a 0-0 draw secured promotion for both teams. In fact that was probably the worst season I can remember with real trouble v Millwall ( home) and away at Charlton, Brighton and Fulham ( mainly Chelsea fans I recall) so mainly the usual suspects and those without even having to think about it.

 

 

I was at the Millwall home game in 1977. I was 10 so with dad, stood in the Archers watching the Milton Road quoir and lads separated by a single thin line of policemen from the Millwall hordes. Very soon punches were flying over and between the coppers' heads between the opposing sides. Far more interesting than the game, which was a dull 2-0 I think.

 

Also up at Stamford Bridge same season v Chelsea, we went ahead but lost 3-1 in the end. After we scored the opener the Headhunters who'd infiltrated the Saints end waded in...dad hoisted me up on his shoulders and ran to the pitch side...

[brianoneils slidingtackle]

I was at the Millwall home game in 1977. I was 10 so with dad, stood in the Archers watching the Milton Road quoir and lads separated by a single thin line of policemen from the Millwall hordes. Very soon punches were flying over and between the coppers' heads between the opposing sides. Far more interesting than the game, which was a dull 2-0 I think.

 

Also up at Stamford Bridge same season v Chelsea, we went ahead but lost 3-1 in the end. After we scored the opener the Headhunters who'd infiltrated the Saints end waded in...dad hoisted me up on his shoulders and ran to the pitch side...

 

 

Was that the Chelsea game where Joe Kirkup scored for Saints ?

[Langleysaint]

Nags head in Covent garden , think it was 91 we had the yids they had Palace , they gased the pub but oh did there famous 6.57 come unstuck, Happy days

[mcjwills]

I was at both games - what I saw at the Dell was written above - I didn't see any trouble at Old Trafford but I heard about Saints fans smashing up a take-away.

 

I was at the replay, didn't get back home till 6 in the morning, had my picture on the front page of the Echo as we were leaving. But I remember a few lads went for an unwanted swim in the canal before they got back to the coach that night.

[adrian lord]

Was that the Chelsea game where Joe Kirkup scored for Saints ?

 

 

Don't know but it was a scrappy goal line tap in I can see it now, and I can aslo still hear the sound of Saints roaring Yeeess, swiflty followed by "Chelsea aggro..Chelsea aggro...Hello!" and fists and feet hitting their targets!

[View From The Top]

Rolfy on the pitch rolfy rolfy on the pitch

 

Followed by a few hundred of the rest of us.

[krissyboy31]

Followed by a few hundred of the rest of us.

 

Yes but Rolfy went on the pitch on his own while the game was still going on around him!

[View From The Top]

Yes but Rolfy went on the pitch on his own while the game was still going on around him!

 

I remember saying to my mate "What the fuc k is Rolfy doing?" as I spotted him wandering up the pitch on his lonesome.

[The Majestic Channon]

I remember saying to my mate "What the fuc k is Rolfy doing?" as I spotted him wandering up the pitch on his lonesome.

How the hell did he make it all the way the to the north bank without being nicked staggering like he was??

[Dr Octopus]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4313071.Saints_fan_punched_by_police_officers/

[Winnersaint]

Valley Parade 6th March 1976 - The day of the flying Party 7.

[wessex saint]

For me it was the early - mid 80's.

SPurs at home - about 83? - with running battles all the way down Hill Lane to the station.

 

Millwall in the Cup lighting fires on the terraces on the Archers.

 

Chelsea smashing up the city centre in aboout 84 and everything else between the station and the Dell. I came out of the family centre with my old man to be met with hundreds of Chelsea using fence posts as javelins. **** scary.

 

Upton Park late eighties/early nineties. Late to the ground due to police trying to protect us on the walk from the tube to the ground and seeing a Saints fan stabbed as he was just about to get in.

 

Used to go to games with me dad in the car and fly my Saints scarf out of the window.Played Villa at home on a midweek game. . . Villa fans followed us back on the A36 and at the 1st roundabout in Salisbury they sped ahead of us and blocked us off, then got out their car and ran towards ours trying to bash the windows in with a baseball bat. In the car was me (about 12) my brother (about and my dad.

 

Although I love watching Saints I've always **** meself a bit after seeing all that as a kid.

 

Nostalgic? Not me. All of the above I witnessed 1st hand before I was 15. Make sme think twice every time I get a ticket for my boy.

[red&white56]

What a depressing trip down memory lane to the seventies

 

Maybe depressing for you but at least we had a football team then that could win games - what i wouldn't give to get Steve Williams is midfield for us today, that boy could play football.........................................

[lordswoodsaints]

I would tell you all my stories but then you wouldn't read my book that I am planning to write.....it'll be pwopper nawty.

[Brittanysaint]

How about:

Our transit load of 15 from Basingstoke attacked by a whole coach load of Sunderland while at the traffic lights/cross roads on A34 Winchester as was.

Few weeks later but 100metres further north a side by side battle at 50mph with the Tranny and a Zepher 6 full of Leeds trying to kick in each others windows and then a full scale party 7 scrap.

Wolves falling from the trees when returning to the cowherds after the game.

Battles outside Filbert Street with Liecester in the replay when Liecester wern't actually playing...I think it was Grimsby ?

In the park outside the old Goldstone Ground...the day the hot dog van inside got trashed and there was sauce everywhere throughout the game.

 

It was just boys being boys, a lot more lads were invoved then, but people didn't get stabbed in them days, it was all mainly a good thumping and DMs up the jacksy etc.

 

Stuff didn't seem to be planned..it just happend, and happened in one shape or form most weeks.

 

Not trying to big it up about how it was, and now i'm a grown up can see how daft most of it was, but to put it into context you had village hall Discos out in every village in them days and every one would errupt in a scrap at some time during the evening, I still think it was a more violant sociaty back then, more so than now... just saying like I remember it.

[Lets B Avenue]

Was that the Chelsea game where Joe Kirkup scored for Saints ?

 

No, it was Ted MacDougall.

 

Don't know but it was a scrappy goal line tap in I can see it now, and I can aslo still hear the sound of Saints roaring Yeeess, swiflty followed by "Chelsea aggro..Chelsea aggro...Hello!" and fists and feet hitting their targets!

 

I was there and it was Fulham fans who had been in our section all game, who started it. They were on a revenge trip after a kicking in the Archers end 4 weeks earlier. The police were between us and the Chelsea hordes and they came in to stop the original scrap, but in doing so, let the Chelsea in.

 

The last 15 mins was all about self preservation, not helped by Chelsea scoring 3.

[Breeny]

my trek would be Haymarket' date=' Warrens , sometimes Park Inn, Scullards, then pie shop and then either straight to the Dell although i do vaguely remember going to the Anchor, i think it was called, which was at the bottom of Hill Lane[/quote']

 

Dito for me !

[Sour Mash]

How about:

Our transit load of 15 from Basingstoke attacked by a whole coach load of Sunderland while at the traffic lights/cross roads on A34 Winchester as was.

Few weeks later but 100metres further north a side by side battle at 50mph with the Tranny and a Zepher 6 full of Leeds trying to kick in each others windows and then a full scale party 7 scrap.

Wolves falling from the trees when returning to the cowherds after the game.

Battles outside Filbert Street with Liecester in the replay when Liecester wern't actually playing...I think it was Grimsby ?

In the park outside the old Goldstone Ground...the day the hot dog van inside got trashed and there was sauce everywhere throughout the game.

 

It was just boys being boys, a lot more lads were invoved then, but people didn't get stabbed in them days, it was all mainly a good thumping and DMs up the jacksy etc.

 

Stuff didn't seem to be planned..it just happend, and happened in one shape or form most weeks.

 

Not trying to big it up about how it was, and now i'm a grown up can see how daft most of it was, but to put it into context you had village hall Discos out in every village in them days and every one would errupt in a scrap at some time during the evening, I still think it was a more violant sociaty back then, more so than now... just saying like I remember it.

 

Rubbish, far more stabbings and weapons in those days at the football than now.

[RedAndWhite91]

Rubbish, far more stabbings and weapons in those days at the football than now.

 

My Dad used to go up Upton Park in the 80's as a teenager, and he was telling me about all the fights he saw inside and outside the ground, one of them he once saw a massive fight outside the ground between West Ham and Tottenham and they all had razors and poles and bits of wood, and all sorts of other weapons. You don't see that nowadays on that scale.

[The Majestic Channon]

My Dad used to go up Upton Park in the 80's as a teenager, and he was telling me about all the fights he saw inside and outside the ground, one of them he once saw a massive fight outside the ground between West Ham and Tottenham and they all had razors and poles and bits of wood, and all sorts of other weapons. You don't see that nowadays on that scale.

Stanley park was always place you were liable to be slashed in the 80's.

[Toadhall Saint]

Stanley park was always place you were liable to be slashed in the 80's.

 

Any football game in the early 80's. Although the scousers (along with Spuds) were notorious for using Stanley!

[Brittanysaint]

Rubbish, far more stabbings and weapons in those days at the football than now.

 

Thats your opinion and fair enough too, it's just the way I saw it and remember it. Our lot from Basingstoke never carried knives, only came across a stabbing once and that was away at wimbledon at Plough Lane........lots and lots of 4x2 bies over the years though.

[aintforever]

I think it's fantastic how 80's violence was just "boys being boys" and violence today is "chav scum".

 

It's a bit like how old biddies moan about the state of the world today, when their generation lived through the bloodiest most violent century the world has ever seen.

[kpturner]

Bored with this now :-(

[Sour Mash]

Thats your opinion and fair enough too, it's just the way I saw it and remember it. Our lot from Basingstoke never carried knives, only came across a stabbing once and that was away at wimbledon at Plough Lane........lots and lots of 4x2 bies over the years though.

 

You've just contracdicted yourself there. You only saw a knife being used "once", asopposed to all the times you see them used at games these days, lol!

 

Just always find the "it was the good old days, compared to the scum today" attitude hypocritical and plainly incorrect to say the least.

[Thedelldays]

You've just contracdicted yourself there. You only saw a knife being used "once", asopposed to all the times you see them used at games these days, lol!

 

Just always find the "it was the good old days, compared to the scum today" attitude hypocritical and plainly incorrect to say the least.

 

 

agree

 

The "good old days" nearly destroyed the english game...

[Polaroid Saint]

I like the ol' "scraf around the wrist" look and rock it myself. I also know that it makes me look like I'm up for 'some bother' when I'm not - I just like the look, maan. Worse still I do understand that it can make some people want to punch me just for doing it!

 

worst violence i experienced myself was being hit on the shoulder by a half brick on the way into the game, thrown by a visting skate thug, at my first ever derby game at the dell. I was only nine years old. hmmm, nice, not-so-glamourous-violence.

 

I s'pose now that the youth of our nation are once again the largest sector of the unemployed and prospects of security and work are bleak, violence will be close at hand in any large gathering of disaffected disenfranchised young men.

 

expect footy violence to get worse before it gets better...

[Fuengirola Saint]

Bored with this now :-(

 

P i s s off then!

[kpturner]

P i s s off then!

Nice - intelligent chap aren't you?

[JRM]

I like the ol' "scraf around the wrist" look and rock it myself. I also know that it makes me look like I'm up for 'some bother'

 

 

 

hahahahahahahahaha - you couldn't be further from the truth mate. or maybe you are only joking

[Toadhall Saint]

I like the ol' "scraf around the wrist" look and rock it myself. I also know that it makes me look like I'm up for 'some bother' when I'm not - I just like the look, maan. Worse still I do understand that it can make some people want to punch me just for doing it!

 

worst violence i experienced myself was being hit on the shoulder by a half brick on the way into the game, thrown by a visting skate thug, at my first ever derby game at the dell. I was only nine years old. hmmm, nice, not-so-glamourous-violence.

 

I s'pose now that the youth of our nation are once again the largest sector of the unemployed and prospects of security and work are bleak, violence will be close at hand in any large gathering of disaffected disenfranchised young men.

 

expect footy violence to get worse before it gets better...

 

I think your right there Polaroid.

 

Violence has always been around football just because it has been sanitised in the Prem (yeah right) it doesn't mean that its gone away. IMHO it never will.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Nice - intelligent chap aren't you?

 

Si no te gusta esos mensajes, porque te leerlos.

It's like the tv if you don't like what bbc-1 are showing,simple you don't watch bbc-1

Edited 8 September, 2009 by Fuengirola Saint

[THINWHITEDUKE]

my trek would be Haymarket' date=' Warrens , sometimes Park Inn, Scullards, then pie shop and then either straight to the Dell although i do vaguely remember going to the Anchor, i think it was called, which was at the bottom of Hill Lane[/quote']

 

I think lots of us made the same journeys Mike but possibly at the time we were unaware of who was around us depending on age and where we lived? What do you think?

[Ponty]

Si no te gusta esos mensajes, porque te leerlos.

It's like the tv if you don't like what bbc-1 are showing,simple you don't watch bbc-1

 

Or you switch the TV off altogether.

[70's Mike]

I think lots of us made the same journeys Mike but possibly at the time we were unaware of who was around us depending on age and where we lived? What do you think?

 

probably but a lot of the guys in those days also played football, either at youth clubs or sundays, or went to the Rank, Pier etc and either knew each other well or were on nodding terms.

people forget we were the novices to the top flight both on and off the pitch, small ground often outnumbered at home as games were not all ticket.We had to stick together.

I wonder how the Northam would react now if they strolled in at 2.45 only to find it occupied by the away team.

[bigtonesfc]

probably but a lot of the guys in those days also played football, either at youth clubs or sundays, or went to the Rank, Pier etc and either knew each other well or were on nodding terms.

people forget we were the novices to the top flight both on and off the pitch, small ground often outnumbered at home as games were not all ticket.We had to stick together.

I wonder how the Northam would react now if they strolled in at 2.45 only to find it occupied by the away team.

 

They`d shat theirselves,it was old hat in the old days,even paid the away end in the Archers a visit in me youth,then learnt it hurt!But it was always an adrenelin rush,win or lose!..And as the old saying goes it was normally only the ones up for it that had the rows!

[Brittanysaint]

I think it's fantastic how 80's violence was just "boys being boys" and violence today is "chav scum".

 

It's a bit like how old biddies moan about the state of the world today, when their generation lived through the bloodiest most violent century the world has ever seen.

 

I never mentioned chav scum at all...and yes I probably am an old biddie compared to some, and when you get to being an old biddie some day...and you will, you too will look back at stuff you got up to and think your generation was the dogs ********....there's nowt wrong with reminising.

 

And I was talking 70's not 80's

[yorkie]

That famous "Soul Cellar" thread identified that it was not just about "lads being lads" it was more of a way of life.

 

Life was so much simpler in those days.

No internet

No mobile phones

No Playstations

It was "gangs" made up from "pubs", "areas" or "works".

 

Saturday was the day to let it all go after a week of working - a day to vent your splein! So why "do it" with someone you might have to work with from the other side of town - when there were visitors form outside the City on your manor?

 

I can remember going down Hill Lane to the station to see how many away fans came by train. I can remember going into town and seeing who was about to ransack Woolies.

 

It's no different today - but I suppose the only thing is the increase that you might come away with more than a black eye and hurt pride. People still carried knives - but not to the extent people have us believe is done today by the cowardly youff.

 

There is nothing new in this tribal dance - the only difference are the clothes and haircuts. It all get's very tribal - our club is better than your club transforms to my gang is harder than your gang. How do you settle that? Not by kicking a bag of wind around with rules...but urban warfare a la playstation makes much more sense!

 

So whether a mod or a rocker, a skinhead, a casual, a punk - boy, teenager, youth or man there is something about the rawness of combat/fighting that attracts certain individuals.

 

If it wasn't football it would be something else...but where else can you guarantee to find a "rival" gang looking for it every Saturday?