Disappointing yes, but

[alpine_saint]

And every season it takes 5 minutes for fans to start booing at games and coming on here and criticising, throwing the blame at people, etc etc. I do honestly think that a change of attitude from the fans will help a lot. Yes, I know, I KNOW, we haven't had a lot to cheer and we've gone through a lot of bad times recently. The whole club has changed, but our opinions of the club haven't changed accordingly.

 

I disagree.

 

The club nearly folded this year. The fans attitude is different.

 

But we've had 8 matches this season, have been able to spend some money, and have an experienced management in place. It may be a little early to start moaning, but WHEN is not too early ?

 

Even without the -10 points, we'd be bottom.

[St Will]

I disagree.

 

The club nearly folded this year. The fans attitude is different.

 

But we've had 8 matches this season, have been able to spend some money, and have an experienced management in place. It may be a little early to start moaning, but WHEN is not too early ?

 

Even without the -10 points, we'd be bottom.

 

I think if we're adrift by Xmas, then there is time for concern. Right now, we just need to show our support. There is nothing to say that, with awesome support behind the team, that we can't go on a major winning streak from now until Xmas. There is nothing stopping us, apart from bad attitudes.

[Legod Third Coming]

I disagree.

 

The club nearly folded this year. The fans attitude is different.

 

But we've had 8 matches this season, have been able to spend some money, and have an experienced management in place. It may be a little early to start moaning, but WHEN is not too early ?

 

Even without the -10 points, we'd be bottom.

 

Everyone is entitle to an opinion.

 

But here's my view - aged and out of touch I agree.

 

I was in danger of losing my birthright.

 

A man I had never heard of came in and spent £20m of his own money saving it. He appointed a CEO, that CEO appointed a manager.

 

If they now spend two years and take us to the Blue Sq Premiership, it's still better than having nothing to support at all.

 

What does that make me?

 

Grateful. Something that just doesn't seem to exist in this country any more.

[alpine_saint]

Everyone is entitle to an opinion.

 

But here's my view - aged and out of touch I agree.

 

I was in danger of losing my birthright.

 

A man I had never heard of came in and spent £20m of his own money saving it. He appointed a CEO, that CEO appointed a manager.

 

If they now spend two years and take us to the Blue Sq Premiership, it's still better than having nothing to support at all.

 

What does that make me?

 

Grateful. Something that just doesn't seem to exist in this country any more.

 

I can respect that opinion.

[um pahars]

Everyone is entitle to an opinion.

 

But here's my view - aged and out of touch I agree.

 

I was in danger of losing my birthright.

 

A man I had never heard of came in and spent £20m of his own money saving it. He appointed a CEO, that CEO appointed a manager.

 

If they now spend two years and take us to the Blue Sq Premiership, it's still better than having nothing to support at all.

 

What does that make me?

 

Grateful. Something that just doesn't seem to exist in this country any more.

 

An eminently sensible opinion and one that I have to say I share, as at times I too doubted that we had a "football club" to support this season.

 

But, this being football and all about passion, emotion and opinions, I see nothing inconsistent about having a moan (or giving an opinion on the performance of players/manager or the team as a whole).

 

Suggesting a player is out of his depth, questioning tactics & substitutions, thinking you know better and generally having a moan on here is what supporting a football team is all about (as much as giving support, turning up, cheering the team on and being passionate in your support).

 

Football is not a sterile game, it's all about passion and opinions.

[Legod Third Coming]

An eminently sensible opinion and one that I have to say I share, as at times I too doubted that we had a "football club" to support this season.

 

But, this being football and all about passion, emotion and opinions, I see nothing inconsistent about having a moan (or giving an opinion on the performance of players/manager or the team as a whole).

 

Suggesting a player is out of his depth, questioning tactics & substitutions, thinking you know better and generally having a moan on here is what supporting a football team is all about (as much as giving support, turning up, cheering the team on and being passionate in your support).

 

Football is not a sterile game, it's all about passion and opinions.

 

I think today we plumb new depths.

 

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

It's a sad endictement of society.

 

There's an expectation culture that refuses to recognise hard work is required for success and believes that you can just luck into achievement.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

Booing the team off. Seriously. My heart sank. Thanks Mr Liebherr, this is what you inherited - myopia.

[St Will]

I think today we plumb new depths.

 

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

It's a sad endictement of society.

 

There's an expectation culture that refuses to recognise hard work is required for success and believes that you can just luck into achievement.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

Booing the team off. Seriously. My heart sank. Thanks Mr Liebherr, this is what you inherited - myopia.

 

Brilliant post. What I've been trying to say for a while, but, admittedly, much more eloquently put.

[Gingeletiss]

I think today we plumb new depths.

 

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

It's a sad endictement of society.

 

There's an expectation culture that refuses to recognise hard work is required for success and believes that you can just luck into achievement.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

Booing the team off. Seriously. My heart sank. Thanks Mr Liebherr, this is what you inherited - myopia.

 

 

....and 'fans' that deserve Premiership football!!!!!..........don't make me laugh, some on here are an outright disgrace, and I feel ashamed that they are like me...Saints fans. The difference..........I love my team.

[geoffnut]

The right thing is to get his side to win a game!

[Whitey Grandad]

I think today we plumb new depths.

 

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

It's a sad endictement of society.

 

There's an expectation culture that refuses to recognise hard work is required for success and believes that you can just luck into achievement.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

Booing the team off. Seriously. My heart sank. Thanks Mr Liebherr, this is what you inherited - myopia.

Perhaps the crowd was booing the other team for their time-wasting tactics?

[saint63]

Patience please! The team worked well yesterday and there was much to applaud outside the opponents penalty box! It will come - and this is from someone who hasn't seen Saints win since away at Exeter last season!

[um pahars]

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

What would you rather we do??? Brush it under the carpet, lie and say we thought he was brilliant???

 

Football is all about opinions and walking away from the ground, going down the pub or coming on here and saying you thought he was shte is, and has always been, part and parcel of the game.

 

It's as much a part of the game as discussing the good points and what went well.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

People weren't booing the club, they were booing mainly out of frustration at not seeing a home win. I personally didn't boo, but there's a world of difference between your claim of booing the club and expressing frustration at another poor performance and failure to win at home.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

Well in your other post it would suggest you are (which also needs to be judged against your very quick lack of support for Wotte).

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

I think you're over reacting here and making a huge assumption if you think that just because people are upset over yesterday's performance they therefore must not be enjoying their Club actually styill being able to play.

 

There's nothing contradictory about being over the moon we still have a Club to support and having a moan and being disappointed about individual performances and results.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

I think there has been a considerable amount of considered opinion with regards those with an alternative viewpoint to yourself.

 

And the idea that there's constant whingeing because we don't win every game is pure exaggeration. The vast majority of people don't expect us to win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

I have seen minimal premature judgement of the new regime, from Pardew through to the new guys at the top. Of course, there has been disappointment of our start, questioning of tactics and performances, but that's light years away from not supporting the new regime.

 

Football fans expressing their dismay at a poor start and poor performances is nothing new and it certainly does not mean they are any less of a supporter.

[kpturner]

Will and TDD need to get a room ;-)

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Interesting to compare and contrast the first 6 league fixtures of this season and last :

 

2008/9 season......................................2009/10 season

 

Cardiff City (away) - lost 2-1...................Millwall (home) drawn 1-1

Birmingham (home) - lost 2-1...................Huddersfield (away) lost 3-1

Derby County (away) - won 1-0...............Swindon (away) lost 1-0

Blackpool (home) lost 1-0........................Brentford (home) drawn 1-1

QPR (away) lost 4-1...............................Stockport (away) drawn 1-1

Ipswich Town (home) drawn 2-2...............Colchester (home) drawn 0-0

 

Points = 4..............................................Points = 4

Goal Difference (minus) 5..........................Goal Difference (minus) 3

 

We can argue until the cows come home as to whether Poortvleit or Pardrew had the better squad to work with (relative to the different divisions) but results wise we seem to be stuck in the same old rut that can trace its origins right back to the 2007/8 season if not before .

You can all draw your own conclusions as to where this season is heading based on the start but for my money (and to state the obvious some might say) unless we start winning football games pretty damn quick we'll be in serious trouble yet again .

 

That's not being impatient or unsupportive - it's just the plain and simple truth .

[dubai_phil]

Just popped on, ws going to mention this bloke who I met tonight at Kings Castle reckoned UP still owed a bar fine :-)

 

We are right to be worried, we are right to be worried about the managers comments about "it is getting better and we know the problems". After all we had 5 years of those comments to get us to this point.

 

I am worried. However there is one heck of a difference between being worried and panicking. That does no good to anyone.

 

For reasons of timing and previous stupidity we have an 18 year old kid playing up front. Of course it isn't good enough, there are very few 18 year olds in world football who are mentally mature enough with sufficient skill to be capable of leading a line in professional football (Owen in '98 was an exception).

 

We are suffering a hangover where we have performed miracles in even existing let alone bringing together a complete new team. Even when we spent 7 mil on new players under Burley (and more on their wages) we were told and understood they would take time to gel as a team. The fact they didn't clouds the judgement of many of us today.

 

So, Patto will be a damned fine player when he hits 21. Right now unless we find a loan, he and Saga are what we have. For whatever reason we couldn't find another forward to buy. So, unless somebody has that magical time machine to re-open the window we need a loan or we need to understand we have tow ork with what we have got.

 

So it is really not enough, but panicking now is really no use to anyone. You want to blame someone, blame Pinnacle for taking so long we lost McGoldrought

 

I'm worried, but FFS look at the history books, I've lost track of the number of times in the past 16 years I've come back in September to watch my first game with Saints still waiting for their first win.

 

Anyway, enough of this back to the go-go bars

[sadoldgit]

and... whilst I sympathise a little with your frustration don't you think we too have:

 

New manager, new players, lost good players, getting over the incompetence, lack of ability and ambition by an ex loser of a chairman and are still in the process of bringing a brand new team together?

 

We didnt win, we didnt lose. Under Wotte and Lowe's legacy players in the same scenario we would have lost.

 

Improving gradually in my books.

 

Ah Robbie, you and your crystal ball, can you let me have the lottery numbers next week please? No one knows whether we would have won or lost under Wotte. What we all know is that we have not yet won a league game and no Wotte or Lowe in sight mate.

[um pahars]

Just popped on, ws going to mention this bloke who I met tonight at Kings Castle reckoned UP still owed a bar fine :-)

 

We didn't make the aforementioned establishment this trip (the only time we were in that vicinity, most of the places were out with a power cut!!!).

 

Someone at the Long Gun in Cowboy knows you and said hello, mind;)

[Professor]

Gratitude for saving the club is all very well, but SFC is not just any old football club, it has been a mainstay of the upper division for most of the past 40 years. To see it slip into Div2 would be just too depressing.

We all know that 4 points from 6 games is relegation form. At that rate we'd be lucky to make 50 points for the season, which is relegation anyway, even without the -10 deduction. People still talking about the play-offs are in a fantasy. Even an improvement in form will not achieve that.

Disapointing is an understatement and its true we have 2 new players to come into the team and Saganowski is still here, but if we don't get at least 6 points from the next four games, things will be looking very black.

[NickG]

Just popped on, ws going to mention this bloke who I met tonight at Kings Castle reckoned UP still owed a bar fine :-)

 

We are right to be worried, we are right to be worried about the managers comments about "it is getting better and we know the problems". After all we had 5 years of those comments to get us to this point.

 

I am worried. However there is one heck of a difference between being worried and panicking. That does no good to anyone.

 

For reasons of timing and previous stupidity we have an 18 year old kid playing up front. Of course it isn't good enough, there are very few 18 year olds in world football who are mentally mature enough with sufficient skill to be capable of leading a line in professional football (Owen in '98 was an exception).

 

We are suffering a hangover where we have performed miracles in even existing let alone bringing together a complete new team. Even when we spent 7 mil on new players under Burley (and more on their wages) we were told and understood they would take time to gel as a team. The fact they didn't clouds the judgement of many of us today.

 

So, Patto will be a damned fine player when he hits 21. Right now unless we find a loan, he and Saga are what we have. For whatever reason we couldn't find another forward to buy. So, unless somebody has that magical time machine to re-open the window we need a loan or we need to understand we have tow ork with what we have got.

 

So it is really not enough, but panicking now is really no use to anyone. You want to blame someone, blame Pinnacle for taking so long we lost McGoldrought

 

I'm worried, but FFS look at the history books, I've lost track of the number of times in the past 16 years I've come back in September to watch my first game with Saints still waiting for their first win.

 

Anyway, enough of this back to the go-go bars

 

apart from the leagues top scorer and papa?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

It's also quite possible to be a footballer or a manager and be affected by fans' negative opinions of them.

 

Why do people like YOU think you can slag them off, as though you could do a better job, and think you will achieve anything?!

 

Do you watch football?? or have you found this forum by accident?? If you are looking for hippylove.com head back to google!

 

We still pay there wages- we support them and we love them.... but we have the right to say when they are not doing it - and they are not doing it at the moment. Football went wrong when Professional footballer Ego's could n't and should n't be knocked 'cause they might cry!! boo hoo.

 

I don't agree to singleing out players which has happened to (wotton, telfer, wright) - I don't agree with booing during the game - but at the end of ninety minutes - if they don't do it I think people have a right to let them know. I think a manager can actually use that to encourage a team. **** me when I have my ******** chewed at work - it makes me get my head down and get the bit between the teeth. We should h ave won easy yesterday - we really should and we fluffed our lines - no one is calling for heads to roll but they now know that we are expecting a bit more. We are grateful they saved the club (very grateful) but we have shown our unquestionable love by the way we are backing the side. Season ticket sales up, fantastic away support, massive league cup support - but they need to back it by putting on a show.

 

If you go to see a stand up and it ain't funny, and it ain't entertaining then you are entitled to express your opinion. Its the same with football!

[Legod Third Coming]

Do you watch football?? or have you found this forum by accident?? If you are looking for hippylove.com head back to google!

 

We still pay there wages- we support them and we love them.... but we have the right to say when they are not doing it - and they are not doing it at the moment. Football went wrong when Professional footballer Ego's could n't and should n't be knocked 'cause they might cry!! boo hoo.

 

I don't agree to singleing out players which has happened to (wotton, telfer, wright) - I don't agree with booing during the game - but at the end of ninety minutes - if they don't do it I think people have a right to let them know. I think a manager can actually use that to encourage a team. **** me when I have my ******** chewed at work - it makes me get my head down and get the bit between the teeth. We should h ave won easy yesterday - we really should and we fluffed our lines - no one is calling for heads to roll but they now know that we are expecting a bit more. We are grateful they saved the club (very grateful) but we have shown our unquestionable love by the way we are backing the side. Season ticket sales up, fantastic away support, massive league cup support - but they need to back it by putting on a show.

 

If you go to see a stand up and it ain't funny, and it ain't entertaining then you are entitled to express your opinion. Its the same with football!

 

I actually don't have that much of an issue with people booing. But yesterday, name the players who deserved to be bood??

[Docker Walker6]

Uhh...no pre-season due to the Piannacle debacle may be a minor contribution!!

[Whitey Grandad]

I actually don't have that much of an issue with people booing. But yesterday, name the players who deserved to be bood??

Thomson, for one?

[Legod Third Coming]

Thomson, for one?

 

He tried his best - he ain't good enough (yet). He shouldn't be there! I don't see how booing him helps him, us or anyone for that matter.

 

I guess it might make the manager rethink would be the only justification. I bet if he scored or set up a goal he would run a yard faster. That's what confidence (or lack of it) does.

 

But do you genuinely believe he didn't try his best?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I actually don't have that much of an issue with people booing. But yesterday, name the players who deserved to be bood??

 

Not the players but the whole team - I think the whole team were booed(?) Just for the way they went about unpicking a ten man side......

 

Although

 

MP was woeful - basics of being caught off side time and time again - ten years old know this. I thought Mills was shocking when he came on - the same for thomson, didn't like the way lallana just plodded over to take the corners, where was the drive??? or is that hyper critical ? (probably) james, thomas, even KD's urgency at times??? - Like i say not one but just the whole team really. I guess they just don't look hungry, just don't look like they really want it? does that make sense??

 

I am looking at the programme at the moment Kd has 133 appearances, the next capped is perry on 53 and james on 52 - I think that is the problem -they only associate saints with relegation and doom (our memories are thankfully longer if fading!) - also i don't think you get the same effort that you would get from Benali, MLT, marsden ---- we are missing a marsden big time!!

[Webby]

It's early days as I see it. We're only 6 games in, with a team assembled mostly during that time (of those games). We've lost 2 and drawn 4. So we haven't won. Don't worry, we will. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

If we were to lose 4 of our next 6, I'd be worried. I think the next 6 games will give us a better measure of how the season will go. The tide will turn, I'm sure of it.

[saint_stevo]

Everyone is entitle to an opinion.

 

But here's my view - aged and out of touch I agree.

 

I was in danger of losing my birthright.

 

A man I had never heard of came in and spent £20m of his own money saving it. He appointed a CEO, that CEO appointed a manager.

 

If they now spend two years and take us to the Blue Sq Premiership, it's still better than having nothing to support at all.

 

What does that make me?

 

Grateful. Something that just doesn't seem to exist in this country any more.

 

A typical Saints fan

[Thedelldays]

A typical Saints fan

indeed part of the reason why we have a crap mentality at the club

[saint_stevo]

indeed part of the reason why we have a crap mentality at the club

 

Too many on here hide behind the -10 and the 'nearly didn't have a club to support not so long ago'

 

Well we have got a club, we did start on -10 and we have got to live with it, yeah pre-season was interrupted and not ideal, but 6 games no wins is not good enough, full stop.

[St Will]

Do you watch football?? or have you found this forum by accident?? If you are looking for hippylove.com head back to google!

 

I've been to every game apart from Stockport and Swindon this season, thanks.

 

I take it from your post that you don't play sport professionally or to a competitive level. Because what you said is complete ******. Successful sports people perform their best when they have complete belief and trust in what they're doing. They do not RESPOND to booing and slagging off. Sure, if they do something wrong, a coach can tell them and they can correct it. But laying into them or booing them does nothing but put fear and doubt in their mind.

 

So while you're trying to get your discontent across to the players, your theory that they'll perform better if you tell them they aren't doing it, is doing nothing but having a detrimental effect. Not only will they not play better next game, they may possibly get worse. I'm not saying say "there, there, everything will be fine" and to baby them, but by booing them, you're not going to make them perform any better. They may try harder, but trying harder doesn't make you play better if you also have fear and doubt in your mind.

 

You can't boo them just because they fail to win anyway. It's a fact of life that in sport you lose or draw more than you win, unless you're one of the elite.

 

I know, I know, you paid your money and you have the right to your opinion, but all you're doing is making the chance of wasting your money for the next game even greater.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

It's early days as I see it. We're only 6 games in, with a team assembled mostly during that time (of those games). We've lost 2 and drawn 4. So we haven't won. Don't worry, we will. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

If we were to lose 4 of our next 6, I'd be worried. I think the next 6 games will give us a better measure of how the season will go. The tide will turn, I'm sure of it.

 

I would just rather sprint away from the ****ty end of the table!!! We can use the marathon to build a team for next season.

[saint_stevo]

from another site, kinda sums up my thinking-

 

"we almost didn't exist a few months ago"

 

I've heard a lot of this from saints fans as an argument for keeping Pardew and not complaining. However, whilst true, i dont understand it as an argument. What i think some people are trying to say is that having a saints team playing at all is better than no team at all. **I will not doubt that for a second** However, what i do question is its relevance to the of whether we should be disappointed with performances. If i see lacklustre displays on the pitch, from players who should do better, it doesnt matter that we almost didnt exist a few months ago, all that matters is that the performance was not as good as it could have been. Yes, some football is better than none at all, but great football is better than lucklustre performances.

[St Will]

Yesterday wasn't lacklustre though, we just didn't win.

[Whitey Grandad]

He tried his best - he ain't good enough (yet). He shouldn't be there! I don't see how booing him helps him, us or anyone for that matter.

 

I guess it might make the manager rethink would be the only justification. I bet if he scored or set up a goal he would run a yard faster. That's what confidence (or lack of it) does.

 

But do you genuinely believe he didn't try his best?

I'd like to think that his best is better than what we witnessed yesterday. After he came on the ball was fed to him several times but he did not have the pace to get past the defender, or he just ran straight in to him. After a while even James was having a go at him and then the team gave up on him and switched to the left wing. There just wasn't any movement from him and he did not appear to be trying very hard.

[Legod Third Coming]

I'd like to think that his best is better than what we witnessed yesterday. After he came on the ball was fed to him several times but he did not have the pace to get past the defender, or he just ran straight in to him. After a while even James was having a go at him and then the team gave up on him and switched to the left wing. There just wasn't any movement from him and he did not appear to be trying very hard.

 

He doesn't have any confidence. You could see that in his demeanour, his inability to put his head down and run at people. Not ready yet would be my prognosis as opposed to not trying. Be hard to explain a kid getting a big break in a game like that and not trying wouldn't it? What was he planning on doing for his career??

[NickG]

indeed part of the reason why we have a crap mentality at the club

 

crap mentality wanting to support the club?

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I think today we plumb new depths.

 

People slating an 18 yr old forward.

 

People booing a club that damn near didn't exist eight weeks ago.

 

It's a sad endictement of society.

 

There's an expectation culture that refuses to recognise hard work is required for success and believes that you can just luck into achievement.

 

I don't dispute anybody's right to express an opinion about anything.

 

But while this may sound perverse, I just cannot comprehend how people are not enjoying seeing their club rise from the brink of extinction.

 

That the rise is not vertical is somehow excuse to undermine anything and everything. And rather than considered opinion, we just get constant, permanent whinging that we don't win every game.

 

Of all the fans, in all the world, surely, surely, we understand that NOW is the time to sit back, avoid premature judgement and give the new regime time and support.

 

It's the fecking least they deserve in my view.

 

Booing the team off. Seriously. My heart sank. Thanks Mr Liebherr, this is what you inherited - myopia.

 

Wrong - Yesterday was incomparible to the fixture last year where saints fans were fighting in the stands with each other and the stewards - thats when we hit rock bottom. I am eternally grateful to the new owners for saving the club. (for the record I was disgusted that we ourselves and our great council could n't have come to the fore before the 11th hour but we will let that rest!) However that does not take away our right to comment on the football we pay to watch and support. For the record i did n't hear MP getting booed off when he was substituted - i thought the change got a round of applause. The fact the whole team got booed at the end of the game was a reflection on the collective frustration felt by everyone in the ground. - it was a very unentertaining game. The most exciting thing to happen in the first half was the sending off!!! - I like AP, think he will do the job but I think walking into the training ground today? they will use the expressed disappointment to spur themselves on -

 

I'm not expecting the rise to be vertical but would hope that some degree from the horizontal would be achievable?surely -

 

I think there are quite a few clubs that have lucked achievement

Man city, blackburn, chelsea, notts county, fulham. And as to winning every game??? **** me would we even bother supporting and loving the saints if that was the case - if we just wanted to watch winners we certainly would n't choose our great club.

 

Finally don't sit in judgement of other supporters just because they saw a sloppy performance that did n't meet the standards that are required to stay in this division! People are entitled to there opinion - we have our club back and thank you for that ML, sincerely, - and thankyou for stopping all the political whinging but as to divided opinion on football lets not ever taki it away!

[Legod Third Coming]

Wrong - Yesterday was incomparible to the fixture last year where saints fans were fighting in the stands with each other and the stewards - thats when we hit rock bottom. I am eternally grateful to the new owners for saving the club. (for the record I was disgusted that we ourselves and our great council could n't have come to the fore before the 11th hour but we will let that rest!) However that does not take away our right to comment on the football we pay to watch and support. For the record i did n't hear MP getting booed off when he was substituted - i thought the change got a round of applause. The fact the whole team got booed at the end of the game was a reflection on the collective frustration felt by everyone in the ground. - it was a very unentertaining game. The most exciting thing to happen in the first half was the sending off!!! - I like AP, think he will do the job but I think walking into the training ground today? they will use the expressed disappointment to spur themselves on -

 

I'm not expecting the rise to be vertical but would hope that some degree from the horizontal would be achievable?surely -

 

I think there are quite a few clubs that have lucked achievement

Man city, blackburn, chelsea, notts county, fulham. And as to winning every game??? **** me would we even bother supporting and loving the saints if that was the case - if we just wanted to watch winners we certainly would n't choose our great club.

 

Finally don't sit in judgement of other supporters just because they saw a sloppy performance that did n't meet the standards that are required to stay in this division! People are entitled to there opinion - we have our club back and thank you for that ML, sincerely, - and thankyou for stopping all the political whinging but as to divided opinion on football lets not ever taki it away!

 

 

Hello? How much did Jack Walker invest over what period? Man City were in this division a few years ago. Fulham have achieved what exactly? Chelsea I will give you.

 

I have no issue with divided opinion on football. I just wonder how the bloke who saved the club feels when he sees his investment bood off the pitch six games into his five year plan? Doesn't exactly say patience, gratitude and respect does it?

 

But I concur, we have plumbed lower depths, just not this season. To start a thread slating an 18yr old trainee is, in my humble opinion, a fecking disgrace. However poor he was, he cannot be held responsible for being the only striker available! Poor fecker. I am sure he is mentally tough enough to cope, but it doesn't make it any easier does it?

 

I think our problem is we are all out of patience. It was used by the last regime and there is none left for the new one. That ain't their fault.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

I've been to every game apart from Stockport and Swindon this season, thanks.

 

I take it from your post that you don't play sport professionally or to a competitive level. Because what you said is complete ******. Successful sports people perform their best when they have complete belief and trust in what they're doing. They do not RESPOND to booing and slagging off. Sure, if they do something wrong, a coach can tell them and they can correct it. But laying into them or booing them does nothing but put fear and doubt in their mind.

 

So while you're trying to get your discontent across to the players, your theory that they'll perform better if you tell them they aren't doing it, is doing nothing but having a detrimental effect. Not only will they not play better next game, they may possibly get worse. I'm not saying say "there, there, everything will be fine" and to baby them, but by booing them, you're not going to make them perform any better. They may try harder, but trying harder doesn't make you play better if you also have fear and doubt in your mind.

 

You can't boo them just because they fail to win anyway. It's a fact of life that in sport you lose or draw more than you win, unless you're one of the elite.

 

I know, I know, you paid your money and you have the right to your opinion, but all you're doing is making the chance of wasting your money for the next game even greater.

 

Just watch the forum SMS match!!! I was a legend!!

 

Yes I think AF has got Man Utd to where they are at by just telling the chaps that they did n't quite get to grips with how he wanted them to play. - and I am sure that WGS was rally placid in the dressing room after seeing the hole he kicked through the home dressing room door when the SBA did n't deliver. I know it is a fact of life in sport that you lose or draw more than you win - but I would like the stats to be a little greater than winning 1 of our last 17 or something. anyway get back to the sports psychology books!!!

[St Will]

Your simplistic view doesn't cut it. Sure, AF and WGS no doubt put a rocket up players' arses when required, but they don't tell them they're **** and they certainly would be able to identify whether the lack of performance was coming from a lack of effort or not. There was no lack of effort yesterday. It just didn't happen for us. The booing was out of order.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Hello? How much did Jack Walker invest over what period? Man City were in this division a few years ago. Fulham have achieved what exactly? Chelsea I will give you.

 

I have no issue with divided opinion on football. I just wonder how the bloke who saved the club feels when he sees his investment bood off the pitch six games into his five year plan? Doesn't exactly say patience, gratitude and respect does it?

But I concur, we have plumbed lower depths, just not this season. To start a thread slating an 18yr old trainee is, in my humble opinion, a fecking disgrace. However poor he was, he cannot be held responsible for being the only striker available! Poor fecker. I am sure he is mentally tough enough to cope, but it doesn't make it any easier does it?

 

I think our problem is we are all out of patience. It was used by the last regime and there is none left for the new one. That ain't their fault.

 

 

Welcome to te wonderful world of football my friend!! - I thanked him, welcomed him, invested in his five year plan with my hard earned but it does n't mean that I will not be critical how we move forward.

If we were where Fulham are now would you call it a success??? If a club gets to the premier league that is one hell of an achievement. Man City are now one of the Big 5! And Blackburn certainly lucked success as they have done nothing since. I for one certainly did n't single him out but he was woeful.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Your simplistic view doesn't cut it. Sure, AF and WGS no doubt put a rocket up players' arses when required, but they don't tell them they're **** and they certainly would be able to identify whether the lack of performance was coming from a lack of effort or not. There was no lack of effort yesterday. It just didn't happen for us. The booing was out of order.

 

We did n't tell them they were ****, we just booed - that is the only way we have to convey our disapproval for there efforts. It has n't happened for us for a very long time, and by the way Div 1 isn't jst going to hang around and wait for us. I think it is you that is some what simplistic, living in your little pink, fluffy, soft world or love and peace (should n't you be ringo?). Like I say - I buy one off bad performances, 6 games and we have n't delivered. We are playing serious catch up and hopefully the little show of disapproval will let all on the staff know that more is required... simples!

[St Will]

Why, cuz they don't know they need wins already?! That's right, they are just going to carry on drawing and losing until the fans let them know they need to win.

[JoeShmoe]

I agree. However, how many more games, without a string of good results, before we reach the tipping point?

 

I agree and where's the evidence that papa dingdong and Jaidi will make this team better? For all we know they may make it worse. Another 3 or 4 games without a win and were as good as gone

[Webby]

Too many on here hide behind the -10 and the 'nearly didn't have a club to support not so long ago'

 

Well we have got a club, we did start on -10 and we have got to live with it, yeah pre-season was interrupted and not ideal, but 6 games no wins is not good enough, full stop.

 

Not good enough for what? The simple fact is that the season is 46 games, not 6. 2 defeats isn't all that bad for a team that is still finding it's way.

 

Also, you know damn well that we should've won at least 2 of those games that we drew, so performances are improving. All I'm saying is that it's a long season and it's a new team (virtually). Give it another 6 games and I think we'll see a big improvement in results, I really do.

[Whitey Grandad]

40 games to go, 120 points to play for....

[Webby]

Exactly Whitey.

[dubai_phil]

We didn't make the aforementioned establishment this trip (the only time we were in that vicinity, most of the places were out with a power cut!!!).

 

Someone at the Long Gun in Cowboy knows you and said hello, mind;)

 

Lol - popped in there when gt bored watching the cricket in the sports bar last night..

 

I assume you mean the Beckham hair style one

 

Wish they'd allow smoking though, some of the bars have become a bit fishy....

 

Cabbages & Condoms tonight and a search for yet ANOTHER emergency suitcase to take all the shopping!

[Scummer]

2 defeats isn't all that bad for a team that is still finding it's way.

 

Same amount of defeats as the team who are fourth in the league.

 

It's all about turning the draws into wins. You could argue that we could/should have won all four of the games we drew. The two games we lost are the only ones we deserved to lose.

 

If we were scraping undeserved draws I'd be a lot more worried than I am currently.

[saint stu 20]

there is 40games left guys.....jesus have some faith, it is absolutely ridiculous people getting the hump. think people need to start realising there is a new ethos at the club, new people, new management, new board all with a new vision, things take time to get winning....dont think rome was built in one day, and saints arent going to be the final polished article for a while, think its about time people stopped believing were going to win every game automatically when there is a new way of doing things at the club, from the top all the way down to the people on the pitch!