Go Away Far Far Away

[Thedelldays]

  CB Fry said:

Who is running down the manager, the owner or the chairman?

 

Who, and on what threads (apparently "every thread", but I haven't read anything of the sort).

 

I think the only trolling going on is from you, making things up and then getting upset about them.

 

As for running the team down, well zero wins in six league one games, I think they deserve it.

 

And as for running down other fans, being that the likes of you are just making stuff up and then moaning about it, why not? You're clearly bonkers.

 

gingeletiss does this...he told me the other day that there were posts that said people want pardew out..he still has not shown us which ones..

 

I remember when he called me a "disgrace" for questioning Pinnacle...

 

the fact people have to make it up that soime want pardew out is a disgrace in itself

[Horley CTFC Saint]

  Legod Third Coming said:

Forget last season. We had no money and every game we got worse, because the kids could not cope with the pressure, the confidence being knocked and the abuse from the terraces.

 

Pardew is getting them out of the first team, slowly and carefully so as not to kill their confidence forever. They might still be good enough one day. He's identified that James and Llalana (corners aside) can probably cut it, but that some of the others can't yet.

 

In ten games, if we are in the bottom three and have made no improvement, panic.

 

But Christ, I didn't once fear Colchester would score yesterday with 11 men. And I spent last season betting on when we would concede our first goal...

 

It's hard, we have been asked to be patient so often, but this time surely it's worth it??

 

And I have it on very good authority that Lisa had a superb left foot...

 

It was great having that feeling of inevitability that Colchester were going to score a last minute winner......................and then realising that they they weren't going to get it!

[Legod Third Coming]

  CB Fry said:

Who is running down the manager, the owner or the chairman?

 

Who, and on what threads (apparently "every thread", but I haven't read anything of the sort).

 

I think the only trolling going on is from you, making things up and then getting upset about them.

 

As for running the team down, well zero wins in six league one games, I think they deserve it.

 

And as for running down other fans, being that the likes of you are just making stuff up and then moaning about it, why not? You're clearly bonkers.

 

 

Such comments are all over the shop:

 

Patterson the new Ali Diah

Blame Pardew

What did Papa Waigo think of the crap in front him...

 

You don't even have to use the scroll down button...

 

Such people are entitled to their opinions. But if they don't have the patience to live through a genuine rebuilding and expect us to win from the off, I would suggest they are over-expecting. I believe you fall into the same category - no disrespect it is merely what you have said that Pardew should be delivering more already (ie wins).

 

Yes we would all dearly like to win and fecking soon.

 

But, in this case, is some time before casting aspersions in the direction of the manager and questioning his tactics not at least justified???

 

If we were winning games all last year and had yet to win, I would be well and truly miffed. But (and I speak only from watching three games) we have been more solid in every one than last season. That's progress in my book. And the only weak links are in areas we know we are weak and are adressing!

 

Might be slower than you would like, but impatience ain't gonna make us win any quicker is it.

 

I think people should chill, sit back and give it some time.

[Wade Garrett]

  Legod Third Coming said:

There are clearly some people who canot cope with being bought by a billionnaire and watching their entire football club being rebuilt from the ground up.

 

New Manager, New Scouting Network, All New Coaches, Entirely New Playing Squad.

 

So here is my message to you.

 

Go Away. Go Far Away. So Far Away that you cannot access football results. Try Mongolia, the centre of it.

 

Then stay there.

 

For a year or two.

 

Then come back.

 

And all the hard work will be done.

 

And you can bask in it,

 

While the rest of us have endured it with good grace.

 

Without booing it, without slating it and without jeopardising it.

 

Thanks.

 

Like it.

[saint_stevo]

are we not allowed to voice our opinion if it is not an encouraging/positive one?

 

Freedom of speech and all that?

 

Also seems odd that people can moan and be against something that i am yet to see written on here anywhere

[John B]

I think our team is crap at the moment is that being negative surely not.

 

If I said the team was great at the moment I would obviously be bonkers.

[Gingeletiss]

  Legod Third Coming said:

Such comments are all over the shop:

 

Patterson the new Ali Diah

Blame Pardew

What did Papa Waigo think of the crap in front him...

 

You don't even have to use the scroll down button...

 

Such people are entitled to their opinions. But if they don't have the patience to live through a genuine rebuilding and expect us to win from the off, I would suggest they are over-expecting. I believe you fall into the same category - no disrespect it is merely what you have said that Pardew should be delivering more already (ie wins).

 

Yes we would all dearly like to win and fecking soon.

 

But, in this case, is some time before casting aspersions in the direction of the manager and questioning his tactics not at least justified???

 

If we were winning games all last year and had yet to win, I would be well and truly miffed. But (and I speak only from watching three games) we have been more solid in every one than last season. That's progress in my book. And the only weak links are in areas we know we are weak and are adressing!

 

Might be slower than you would like, but impatience ain't gonna make us win any quicker is it.

 

I think people should chill, sit back and give it some time.

 

I have CB on ignore, and saint stevo below...along with a few other's who's postings are downright depressing. I have only seen his response, due to your good self, quoting him. He, like a few others, only see what they want to see on here, and are all life members of the 'lets run the club down'. I despare as to the future of our support, to think, these are the 'loyal fan base' that ML spoke about.........the one's that 'deserve' Premiership football!!!!

Edited 7 September, 2009 by Gingeletiss
an add on!!

[saint_stevo]

ahh Gingeletiss, the Sheriff of the positive police, out in force again.

 

He has me on ignore though, so won't see this.

 

Like John B says, if we are carp, surely we can say we are? The same as if we were good, we would say we where and have the big love-in many crave

[CB Fry]

  Gingeletiss said:

I have CB on ignore...along with a few other's who's postings are downright depressing. I have only seen his response, due to your good self, quoting him. He, like a few others, only see what they want to see on here, and are all life members of the 'lets run the club down'. I despare as to the future of our support, to think, these are the 'loyal fan base' that ML spoke about.........the one's that 'deserve' Premiership football!!!!

 

 

If you have me on ignore, then how do you know I am running the club down?

 

You'll never find a single post from me running the club down.

 

You see success as finishing fourth from bottom.

 

I see it as challenging for the play offs this season.

 

Alan Pardew agrees with me, not you.

 

If anyone is running the club down, it's you.

[saint_stevo]

  CB Fry said:

If you have me on ignore, then how do you know I am running the club down?

 

You'll never find a single post from me running the club down.

 

You see success as finishing fourth from bottom.

 

I see it as challenging for the play offs this season.

 

Alan Pardew agrees with me, not you.

 

If anyone is running the club down, it's you.

 

He/She can only see your posts when you get quoted, not by me though, as i am on the same ignore list as your fine self i believe.

 

Some people are just as happy to lose, just as long as mediocrity is achieved.

[CB Saint]

LMAO at this thread - Saints fans b1tching at each other - who would have thought it.

[Legod Third Coming]

  saint_stevo said:

He/She can only see your posts when you get quoted, not by me though, as i am on the same ignore list as your fine self i believe.

 

Some people are just as happy to lose, just as long as mediocrity is achieved.

 

I don't think that's remotely true. I can only speak for me, but I am:

 

1. Extremely thankful I have a club for others to moan about and therefore preface all my thinking with this knowledge. To do otherwise seems churlish and frankly, just a bit ungrateful.

 

2. Patient enough to see six years worth of damage undone over the next year or two, not over three weeks.

 

3. Still positive that promotion is not beyond us - however hard it looks. Other teams have gone six games unbeaten - Leeds and Charlton, why not us once the team is established and new players are in the starting 11?

 

4. Relaxed enough to understand that moaning about failure to win thus far is a bit premature.

 

Oh and personally, I can see green shoots - a much derided term, but the solidity of our back four after last season is like the wife suddenly losing twelve pounds and suggesting sex...

[hughieslastminutegoal]

  Legod Third Coming said:

There are clearly some people who canot cope with being bought by a billionnaire and watching their entire football club being rebuilt from the ground up.

 

New Manager, New Scouting Network, All New Coaches, Entirely New Playing Squad.

 

 

I get the sentiment and agree to an extent. However I don't think the new management thought we'd need an entirely new squad. In fact Mr Cortese said well before the window shut he expected "one or two more players". I said at the time that he hadn't really understood what was needed.

 

We did indeed need practically an entirely new squad, but we haven't got it, and the window is shut. Yes we can get some loans, albeit some of those loans might be "on loan pending the next window at which time we may sign them permanently".

 

But you can't expect people not to get twitchy about things when (ignoring the points penalty) we would still be almost bottom.

 

Yes it is a work in progress, but I think what people are really saying is "we knew the youth strategy wasn't right for CCC, but hell, we didn't think that strategy would have left us in such a bad a position for an L1 season."

 

But AP has got to build Rome, and based on what he has done so far, there is reason to expect things will turn around, but it may be some weeks yet before consistently good performances materialise.

[Wes Tender]

  sadoldgit said:

Spot on. Trouble is we have some fans who get their licks from us being rubbish and revel in slagging the club off. Of course Lowe was a Godsend for them but since his depature nothing has changed and the discontent is now moving Pardew's way. Even the new owner came in for stick for not spending millions.

 

It is frustrating but it is going to take time.

 

You bet he was a Godsend - and still the main reason that we are where we are in the third division. We wouldn't be having this debate on this thread now, if it wasn't for his bumbling incompetence.

[saint_stevo]

  Legod Third Coming said:

I don't think that's remotely true. I can only speak for me, but I am:

 

1. Extremely thankful I have a club for others to moan about and therefore preface all my thinking with this knowledge. To do otherwise seems churlish and frankly, just a bit ungrateful.

 

2. Patient enough to see six years worth of damage undone over the next year or two, not over three weeks.

 

3. Still positive that promotion is not beyond us - however hard it looks. Other teams have gone six games unbeaten - Leeds and Charlton, why not us once the team is established and new players are in the starting 11?

 

4. Relaxed enough to understand that moaning about failure to win thus far is a bit premature.

 

Oh and personally, I can see green shoots - a much derided term, but the solidity of our back four after last season is like the wife suddenly losing twelve pounds and suggesting sex...

 

1. Far too easy to trot out, and as done by half the people on here

 

2. Even if it means L2?

 

3. Promotion? Really? Seems very, very unlikely

 

4. 6 games no wins, relegation form even without the -10

[DT]

  Legod Third Coming said:

 

Oh and personally, I can see green shoots - a much derided term, but the solidity of our back four after last season is like the wife suddenly losing twelve pounds and suggesting sex...

No wonder it's only your third coming...

[SFKA South Woodford]

  .comsaint said:

But it's only the first weekend in September?!?!

 

Papa & Jaidi due to play. Holmes due back sometime soon - along with the very promising Kayne McLaggon in the near future. No doubt Pardew is looking for a couple of new loan players on top of all that too.

 

I certainly am not worried this early in the season. We are now heading in the right direction - very much so.

 

How can you say we are very much heading in the right direction? We are getting further away from safety each week, let alone anything else. Last season we played some great football and were unlucky to lose on a number of occasions at the start of the season, then before we knew it, we were in a relegation battle, as we just couldn't win and kept drawing or losing games. Which is what is happening now, but with the points deduction we were already in the battle, and are currently giving our opposition in that battle more of a head start.

 

Yes, in theory we have a squad which should be capable of winning that battle, but just how much of a head start can we afford to give our opposition, before we find that we have a mountain to climb and someone forgot to pack the rope.

 

I do agree that the defence looks slightly stronger now 'Although on Saturday there were still a couple of occasions when all of them turned into statues, most notably when Lisbie went through and hit the bar' but the attack is still woeful as is the creativity from midfield. I've always thought that Lallana would eventually come good and would be the creative spark from the midfield, but am not so sure now, as he looks like a show pony, he runs around a lot but delivers little and his crossing and corner taking are utter rubbish.

 

Padew needs to tell them that they first have to match the oppositions effort 'not emulate their style of play', and get themselves a decent lead, then they can start to play with the tricks and flicks that they seem to want to, as at the moment their effort stinks. All of the attacking players need to become more mobile, and instead of worrying about covering the opposition players, they need to make the opposition worry about them by finding space and pulling the opposition defenders and midfield out of shape. They could also do with a lesson in vision and when to release the ball, as we are far too often caught in posession, or hold the ball for too long missing opportunities to get some width.

 

Pass and move Mr Pardew, pass and move.

[John B]

  SFKA South Woodford said:

How can you say we are very much heading in the right direction? We are getting further away from safety each week, let alone anything else. Last season we played some great football and were unlucky to lose on a number of occasions at the start of the season, then before we knew it, we were in a relegation battle, as we just couldn't win and kept drawing or losing games. Which is what is happening now, but with the points deduction we were already in the battle, and are currently giving our opposition in that battle more of a head start.

 

Yes, in theory we have a squad which should be capable of winning that battle, but just how much of a head start can we afford to give our opposition, before we find that we have a mountain to climb and someone forgot to pack the rope.

 

I do agree that the defence looks slightly stronger now 'Although on Saturday there were still a couple of occasions when all of them turned into statues, most notably when Lisbie went through and hit the bar' but the attack is still woeful as is the creativity from midfield. I've always thought that Lallana would eventually come good and would be the creative spark from the midfield, but am not so sure now, as he looks like a show pony, he runs around a lot but delivers little and his crossing and corner taking are utter rubbish.

 

Padew needs to tell them that they first have to match the oppositions effort 'not emulate their style of play', and get themselves a decent lead, then they can start to play with the tricks and flicks that they seem to want to, as at the moment their effort stinks. All of the attacking players need to become more mobile, and instead of worrying about covering the opposition players, they need to make the opposition worry about them by finding space and pulling the opposition defenders and midfield out of shape. They could also do with a lesson in vision and when to release the ball, as we are far too often caught in posession, or hold the ball for too long missing opportunities to get some width.

 

Pass and move Mr Pardew, pass and move.

 

An excellant post

[Legod Third Coming]

  SFKA South Woodford said:

How can you say we are very much heading in the right direction? We are getting further away from safety each week, let alone anything else. Last season we played some great football and were unlucky to lose on a number of occasions at the start of the season, then before we knew it, we were in a relegation battle, as we just couldn't win and kept drawing or losing games. Which is what is happening now, but with the points deduction we were already in the battle, and are currently giving our opposition in that battle more of a head start.

 

Yes, in theory we have a squad which should be capable of winning that battle, but just how much of a head start can we afford to give our opposition, before we find that we have a mountain to climb and someone forgot to pack the rope.

 

I do agree that the defence looks slightly stronger now 'Although on Saturday there were still a couple of occasions when all of them turned into statues, most notably when Lisbie went through and hit the bar' but the attack is still woeful as is the creativity from midfield. I've always thought that Lallana would eventually come good and would be the creative spark from the midfield, but am not so sure now, as he looks like a show pony, he runs around a lot but delivers little and his crossing and corner taking are utter rubbish.

 

Padew needs to tell them that they first have to match the oppositions effort 'not emulate their style of play', and get themselves a decent lead, then they can start to play with the tricks and flicks that they seem to want to, as at the moment their effort stinks. All of the attacking players need to become more mobile, and instead of worrying about covering the opposition players, they need to make the opposition worry about them by finding space and pulling the opposition defenders and midfield out of shape. They could also do with a lesson in vision and when to release the ball, as we are far too often caught in posession, or hold the ball for too long missing opportunities to get some width.

 

Pass and move Mr Pardew, pass and move.

 

I'm sure Pardew is telling them all of the above. The problem is he is telling Jake Thomson. Which is a bit like telling me to go down to Annabels on Friday night and come home with a Page 3 bird...

 

When Pardew has players with a bit more nous and guile all over the park we have a chance.

 

I thought Mills did exactly what you've described but his delivery was poor. However, if he can get his delivery right (was his first game back after all) he can offer the width. Morgan hit him 2/3 times with balls that did spread play.

 

I guess we can all see what's wrong, but given that some of these players couldn't do it last season, why do we expect them to be able to this??

 

When has Lallana ever taken the ball wide... (not dissing him, just a fact).

[Whitey Grandad]

  Legod Third Coming said:

I'm sure Pardew is telling them all of the above. The problem is he is telling Jake Thomson. Which is a bit like telling me to go down to Annabels on Friday night and come home with a Page 3 bird...

If you believe what some on here are saying, all you need is time and patience and a bit more self-confidence.

[BlakeySFC]

Probably the most sensable post i've ever heard on this site to be honest.

 

Agree 100%, we need to get a win though.

[harwellsaint]

  Legod Third Coming said:

There are clearly some people who canot cope with being bought by a billionnaire and watching their entire football club being rebuilt from the ground up.

 

New Manager, New Scouting Network, All New Coaches, Entirely New Playing Squad.

 

So here is my message to you.

 

Go Away. Go Far Away. So Far Away that you cannot access football results. Try Mongolia, the centre of it.

 

Then stay there.

 

For a year or two.

 

Then come back.

 

And all the hard work will be done.

 

And you can bask in it,

 

While the rest of us have endured it with good grace.

 

Without booing it, without slating it and without jeopardising it.

 

Thanks.

 

spot and indeed on

[um pahars]

  Gingeletiss said:

UP.............you're not drifting to the dark side...are you?????.

 

Not at all.

 

Just calling it as I see it, in that Saturday's performance was poor and there were some particularly poor individual performances.

 

I'm confident that Pardew and the new regime can bring about an upward turn in our fortunes, but that doesn't mean that I will pretend all is rosey, overlook poor performances (either by individuals, the team or the manager) or fail to recognise that our start to the season with regards gaining points has not been good.

 

When we're good, I'll say it and therefore when we are poor I will be just as honest.

 

Here's my summary from the Birmingham game:

 

  um pahars said:

What's all the fuss been about????

 

A really good performance with a number of very good individual performances. There is no way a neutral would have thought we were two divisions apart.

 

Dominated large periods of the game and much to praise tonight.

 

Very good atmosphere and good support which I thought was a direct result of the effort given by the players.

 

If we play like that, then we will be OK.

 

 

And here's my summary from the Colchester game:

 

  um pahars said:

And here's the scores on the doors for today (and before anyone moans, I'm thinking positively and reported rather gushingly on our performance last week against Brum).

 

A good start against a side content with a draw who really battened down the hatches when they had 10 players. A decent first half where we should have gone ahead, followed by a second half where we just did not have the nous to eek out a goal.

 

Some of the youngsters were terrible (so god knows who thought they could do it in the Championship) and we looked pretty lacklustre upfront.

 

For me the problems are "going forward", so fingers crossed Papa and Saga can turn it on.

 

A very disappointing performance despite Colchester doing everything to break up the game.

 

Both just an honest report on what I had seen first hand.

[Glasgow_Saint]

  Gingeletiss said:

I have CB on ignore, and saint stevo below...along with a few other's

 

Seriously.....what kind of idiot comes to a forum and the puts anyone with a different opinion to him on ignore. Bizzare

[Legod Third Coming]

  Glasgow_Saint said:

Seriously.....what kind of idiot comes to a forum and the puts anyone with a different opinion to him on ignore. Bizzare

 

Is it not the point of a forum to express one's opinion and try to persuade others? That's why I can never understand people calling Alpine and others trolls...

 

Half of the fun of a forum (just like in old Roman times) is that we all have an argument and we all believe we are correct in our assertions.

 

The problem is most of you are wrong!

 

 

 

 

 

(Oh, that last bit was irony for the hard of thinking - and boy we do have some... )

[Glasgow_Saint]

  Legod Third Coming said:

Is it not the point of a forum to express one's opinion and try to persuade others? That's why I can never understand people calling Alpine and others trolls...

 

Half of the fun of a forum (just like in old Roman times) is that we all have an argument and we all believe we are correct in our assertions.

 

The problem is most of you are wrong!

 

 

 

 

 

(Oh, that last bit was irony for the hard of thinking - and boy we do have some... )

 

 

Debate is fun - I agree. The best people on here are those who have an opinion and will fight tooth and nail to persuade and convince (even when normally wrong)

 

I think some (Gingeletiss for example) just want to find people with exactly the same views as him/her and just blank anyone (ignore list) anyone that might challenge it.......that really is pathetic and kind of disputes the whole point of coming on here (imo). If you just want news - read the OS or echo.

[saint_stevo]

He/She has me on ignore because i was negative during the Pinnacle takeover.......oh

 

Now we are unable to win a third of our league performances has been utter tripe, i am meant to be saying happy positive things about us.....

 

Doesnt like a conflicting point of view to his/hers....i.e a Forum

 

Quote this so he/she can see it.

[Thedelldays]

  saint_stevo said:

He/She has me on ignore because i was negative during the Pinnacle takeover.......oh

 

Now we are unable to win a third of our league performances has been utter tripe, i am meant to be saying happy positive things about us.....

 

Doesnt like a conflicting point of view to his/hers....i.e a Forum

 

Quote this so he/she can see it.

for gingeletiss (who called me a disgrace for daring to question the pinnacle bid)

[Glasgow_Saint]

I'm not normally one to speculate but........

 

I have heard that St Will and gingeletiss are/is the same person! Can anyone confirm/deny this?

[St Will]

  Glasgow_Saint said:

I'm not normally one to speculate but........

 

I have heard that St Will and gingeletiss are/is the same person! Can anyone confirm/deny this?

 

What a load of b o l l o c k s!

[saint_stevo]

  Thedelldays said:

for gingeletiss (who called me a disgrace for daring to question the pinnacle bid)

 

And who told me i was endangering it, especially with the tyre kicker photo....

[Gingeletiss]

  St Will said:

What a load of b o l l o c k s!

 

Ignore them..........they are but children. Sad sad children. GS nee O_B_S......get a life...you poor deluded fool!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

  saint_stevo said:

And who told me i was endangering it, especially with the tyre kicker photo....

 

One of the best photos ever posted on the SWF - fact

[Glasgow_Saint]

  Gingeletiss said:

Ignore them..........they are but children. Sad sad children. GS nee O_B_S......get a life...you poor deluded fool!!

 

Coincidence that ST Will and Mr G are on the SWF board at the same time........I cant possibly speculate

[St Will]

  Glasgow_Saint said:

Coincidence that ST Will and Mr G are on the SWF board at the same time........I cant possibly speculate

 

Well I'm on at the same time as you, so maybe you're me? Or I'm you?

 

Must be the Scottish water.

[saint_stevo]

  Glasgow_Saint said:

One of the best photos ever posted on the SWF - fact

 

the old PM box soon filled up once mr lynham mentioned it on one of his 'updates'

[Smirking_Saint]

  saint_stevo said:

And who told me i was endangering it, especially with the tyre kicker photo....

 

Awesome photo, but can't believe you destroyed the whole deal with posting it.

 

You almost killed our club

 

TBF, Ginge does talk a ton of tripe, not sure you are missing much with him not replying to your posts

[Smirking_Saint]

  saint_stevo said:

the old PM box soon filled up once mr lynham mentioned it on one of his 'updates'

 

Have you recently got a new one then ??