J Bizzle Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart.
modern matron Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart. Why didn't we score then?
J Bizzle Posted 5 September, 2009 Author Posted 5 September, 2009 Maybe because he only got 15 mins and we did create chances whilst he was on the pitch. If anyone says he is crap they are clearly deluded and know **** all about football. (Not syaing you've said he's crap)
Pilchards Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 He is good but you must question whether his heart is with our club these days. IMHO the only person on the pitch today that looks like making it as a top class player is Lallana, he reminds me of a very young Le Tiss but with an engine.
S-Clarke Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 He should play alongside Hammond - but only if we have proper width, otherwise he's pointless. - as we'll just hoof it up top and he'll be completely lost. If we play with Papa on the right and Mills on the left next weekend, he should start - his range of passing and switching of play will be crucial. I expect charlton, as they're full of confidence, to take the game to us - thus leaving space on the break. Could be the perfect game for him.
J Bizzle Posted 5 September, 2009 Author Posted 5 September, 2009 He is good but you must question whether his heart is with our club these days. IMHO the only person on the pitch today that looks like making it as a top class player is Lallana, he reminds me of a very young Le Tiss but with an engine. He was playing like a man possessed at times today, especially the time where he sent two of theire CM's completely the wrong direction before goingon that surging run. Thing with lallana is he has no end product. He has a good touch and can dribble the ball well, turn himself out of tight spots etc... but when he gets himself into a position his crossing is very average and his shooting is pathetic. Needs to hit the gym hard on his lower body.
Gemmel Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 .Thing with lallana is he has no end product. He has a good touch and can dribble the ball well, turn himself out of tight spots etc... but when he gets himself into a position his crossing is very average and his shooting is pathetic. Needs to hit the gym hard on his lower body. Lallana was the best player on tne pitch first half.................by some distance
slickmick Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Reminded me of Steve Williams today. Lets hope he can show that sort of form more often.
70's Mike Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Reminded me of Steve Williams today. Lets hope he can show that sort of form more often. 64000 DOLLAR QUESTION because he has not been consistent
LostBoys Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 I agree but a lot of posters appear to favour James who I think is a very poor player at midfield and even worse at right back.
dellgirl Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Well said J Bizzle..I have long said that Morgan is a real class act and I was worried we wouldn't be able to keep him even before the French coach put his oar in and scared the boy that he couldn't play for his country if he stayed with us. Yesterday was a cameo of what he can do to a game..for the time he was on he changed it immediately for the better,he has amazing vision for one so young and the long cross was pure football poetry,many on here have said he doesn't get stuck in but he actually does and yesterday was another example. I wish I felt the same conviction that Adam is another who is on his way to stardom,but I just don't,too much flash and not enough finish....Next Saturday I have a feeling we will win and that should start us on a feel good run that will see us out of trouble and pulling together as a good workmanlike team....and I know I've never seen pigs fly either..
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 He looked good when he came on but that's no surprise because he was brought on as an extra midfielder against 10 men who showed little desire to attack. Perfect stage to showcase his nice touches and Hollywood passes without having to do things that proper midfielders do like tackle and track back.
Alanh Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart. I agree with you in terms of MS looking a class act when he came on. The problem he seems to have is performing like that for any more than 15 minutes in any given match. When he's on from the start he seems to drift out of matches for long periods. It's great to have him as a part of the squad, but like a few of the younger players I think he will benefit from a combination of starts and benches. As the season goes on I think he will come more to the fore (assuming he stays) and I hope that he turns into the player you describe.
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 He looked good when he came on but that's no surprise because he was brought on as an extra midfielder against 10 men who showed little desire to attack. Perfect stage to showcase his nice touches and Hollywood passes without having to do things that proper midfielders do like tackle and track back.[/QUOTE] He did do this. He just didn't run round like a headless chicken ala Gillett. Knowing that he might not be considered for France U21's in this league he's going to have to play out of his skin every week to get noticed. Just wait, he will turn teams inside out now.
shurlock Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 He looked good when he came on but that's no surprise because he was brought on as an extra midfielder against 10 men who showed little desire to attack. Perfect stage to showcase his nice touches and Hollywood passes without having to do things that proper midfielders do like tackle and track back.[/QUOTE] He did do this. He just didn't run round like a headless chicken ala Gillett. Knowing that he might not be considered for France U21's in this league he's going to have to play out of his skin every week to get noticed. Just wait, he will turn teams inside out now. Am a big fan of Schneiderlin but have rarely seen him come out of tussles or bits and pieces with the second ball. He tries to close down but everything goes in and around him. But think the likes of Trottman and Jaidi will possibly strengthen the case for his inclusion. Some of the earlier games I've seen, esp Huddersfield away, our defensive weaknesses required extra cover at the back. While people praise Perry, I think he's a liability - his lack of pace has meant that we've often dropped back and conceded too much space between defense and midfield. Now that's being sorted and we can hold a slightly higher line, I think Schneiderlin will have the chance to play his own game.
rudi7s Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Have to agree with the OP. As soon as he came on we looked a different side. He wanted the ball, never panicked under pressure, his passing was second to none and began to dictate the tempo of the game. I understand he sometimes goes missing but he has the quality and potential to be not only the best player in this league, but the best player we've had for long while.
southamptonfclegend Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 when he came I thought he was brilliant needs to play above Lloyd James IMO not saying James is bad but Schneiderlin is a class above
Andy_Porter Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Looked so much better when he had Mills on the touchline stretching the play. A couple of his diagonal balls where out to him where brilliant. With Mills one side and Waigo on the other he will really come into his own.
Arizona Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart. This just shows how blinkered some fans can be when it comes to our own players. How can a man who has yet to register a goal or assist for Saints be the best ball playing midfielder in the League. Yes he is one of the best passers in our squad, but I am sure teams like Charlton and Leeds have much better. Ask a fan from any of the other teams in this league who they think the best ball player in L1 is and I doubt you would hear Morgan's name all that often.
Deanovski Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 lloyd james needs to go to the ressies and we need midfield pairing of hammond and schneiderlin as hammond can protect him and do all the brute work.
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Schneiderlin is one of the best players we have at the club - possibly the best. What he is hugely short of is consistency - which totally undermines my first line! If he needs games out of the first team, or coming on late in the game so be it. He is very young to move to another country and plays in a hard position for a youngster. If he plays to his ability he will be a very very good player for us. He is strong, can run with the ball, can tackle and his range of passing is great. Unfortunately he keeps disappearing -which central midfield player cant. Looked great against Ajax and again yesterday - not far off man of the match when only on for short period.
gammon cheeks Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart. Crap! cant pass, cant tackle , hides away in games ! and when the going gets tough he bottles it !
S-Clarke Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Crap! cant pass, cant tackle , hides away in games ! and when the going gets tough he bottles it ! How is he crap? How on earth can you say he can't pass? seriously? are you confusing him with Wotton or something? bizzare.
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 This just shows how blinkered some fans can be when it comes to our own players. How can a man who has yet to register a goal or assist for Saints be the best ball playing midfielder in the League. Yes he is one of the best passers in our squad, but I am sure teams like Charlton and Leeds have much better. Ask a fan from any of the other teams in this league who they think the best ball player in L1 is and I doubt you would hear Morgan's name all that often. Morgan is an unknown quantity amongst most fans, but ask any other league 1 or championship manager, and they would snap him up in an instant and play him week in week out. A ball playing midfielder is not normally someone who is considered to score a lot, or get a whole lot of assists, but to open the play and start attacks, mainly involved int eh build up, the assists should be coming from the forwards and wingers.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Saw him make a tackle away at Barnsley last season. Think he went off injured soon after. Saying that he's still a better option than James in centre midfield.
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 Crap! cant pass, cant tackle , hides away in games ! and when the going gets tough he bottles it ! Seriously LMAO. Clueless as f*ck.
70's Mike Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 (edited) Morgan is an unknown quantity amongst most fans, but ask any other league 1 or championship manager, and they would snap him up in an instant and play him week in week out. A ball playing midfielder is not normally someone who is considered to score a lot, or get a whole lot of assists, but to open the play and start attacks, mainly involved int eh build up, the assists should be coming from the forwards and wingers. Why did they not sign him during the window then, or did i miss the trail of offers? i wish people would not using superlatives for young guys learning their trade and stop heaping pressure on them which rebounds when they do not preform, rupert made that mistake at the beggining of last season ans some appear to want to continue the trait. Edited 6 September, 2009 by 70's Mike
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 Why did they not sign him during the window then, or did i miss the trail of offers? i wish people would not using superlatives for young guys learning their trade and stop heaping pressure on them which rebounds when they do not preform, rupert made that mistake at the beggining of last season ans some appear to want to continue the trait. Just because there wern't lots of offers doesn't mean clubs wern't interested. Only Leeds in our league could afford him and not many Champ teams could either.
70's Mike Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Just because there wern't lots of offers doesn't mean clubs wern't interested. Only Leeds in our league could afford him and not many Champ teams could either. fact or fiction? you are talking him into being a world beater surprised no premiership club wanted him. for what is worth i think he is a good technical footballer but needs to show some steel before he can be spoken of in the terms you are doing, so far he has achieved very little in the game in this country and needs to discover consistancy
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 fact or fiction? you are talking him into being a world beater surprised no premiership club wanted him. for what is worth i think he is a good technical footballer but needs to show some steel before he can be spoken of in the terms you are doing, so far he has achieved very little in the game in this country and needs to discover consistancy I can confirm that the bid Pardew turned down came from a bottom half prem team. Obviously not allowed to say who. I fully expect him to go on and represent his country. Expect to see a French midfield consisting of Schniederlin and Matuidi in 10 years time.
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Why did they not sign him during the window then' date=' [b']or did i miss the trail of offers?[/b]i wish people would not using superlatives for young guys learning their trade and stop heaping pressure on them which rebounds when they do not preform, rupert made that mistake at the beggining of last season ans some appear to want to continue the trait. yes you did - confirmed by Pardew that they rejected offers on players including him, hth
Arizona Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 yes you did - confirmed by Pardew that they rejected offers on players including him, hth Pardew also confirmed he'd rather start with Lloyd James than, "the best ball player in the League"
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 exactly what I have been saying for ages - undoubted ability but not showing steady form to warrant regular start at the moment.
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Pardew also confirmed he'd rather start with Lloyd James than, "the best ball player in the League" where you impressed with him when he came on yesterday? ran with ball well, couple of good tackles, amazing long ball out to the left wing at one stage. What did you think?
pimpin4rizeal Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 i think pardew needs to give morgan the set pieces and corners if he can spray balls like he does durin the match imigine what kind of balls he can put in fro set pieces this guy can be our own riquelme xavi type player and he should be made to feel like the main man
Arizona Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 where you impressed with him when he came on yesterday? ran with ball well, couple of good tackles, amazing long ball out to the left wing at one stage. What did you think? Wasn't there yesterday. When I've seen him this season he looked promising against Millwall and completely lost at Swindon. I just don't see a case for him being our best player, or the best ball player in the League when he can't get into the team bottom of L1.
alpine_saint Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 I am far from convinced by Schneiderlin. Pretty touches mean nothing if they dont lead to anything. I reckon Rudi Skacel had more impact on the team than he does.
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 He looked very good. I have seen him pass etc better than other players (in our team or others) but agree his consistency has not warranted starting place. Arsene Wenger has said do not expect an overseas player to perform to their ability in first 12 months of new country. He came as 18 year old, to club being relegated in chaos and to play central midfield. I am very happy to have him in our squad and enjoy watching him - when he doesn't go missing!
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 I am far from convinced by Schneiderlin. Pretty touches mean nothing if they dont lead to anything. I reckon Rudi Skacel had more impact on the team than he does. He's not really a pretty touches sort of player. More to create and get things moving from midfield - passing out to wings - did this very well yesterday.
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 I think we should use the old Rasiak song for Schneiderlin. Same amount of syllabls in the name.
alpine_saint Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 He's not really a pretty touches sort of player. More to create and get things moving from midfield - passing out to wings - did this very well yesterday. Sorry, I saw Schneiderlin start the game against Brentford, and he didnt exactly boss it. And after all, its the midfield that is causing our problems.
NickG Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 said in many threads on him - he disappears and that can't happen for central midfield player. if he plays like he has shown in flashes, or the ajax game, or the twenty minutes yesterday - he should be first name on team sheet - but at the moment his form doesn't warrant it. Struggle to think the last midfielder who could pass as long and as accurately as he can - but only any good if he has the ball and on his game.
krissyboy31 Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 To me! The only creative player we've got and HAS to play!!
Arizona Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 said in many threads on him - he disappears and that can't happen for central midfield player. if he plays like he has shown in flashes, or the ajax game, or the twenty minutes yesterday - he should be first name on team sheet - but at the moment his form doesn't warrant it. Struggle to think the last midfielder who could pass as long and as accurately as he can - but only any good if he has the ball and on his game. Tomasz Hajto?
Arizona Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 I seem to remember his strong point being able to find Kosowski with a 50yard crossfield ball.
gammon cheeks Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Seriously LMAO. Clueless as f*ck. look **** face i have seen saints play a lot more games than a clueless gimp like you! In my opinion spiderman is not a good player as i have seen him play home and away . The sooner we bring in another player to go Hammond the better.
solentstars Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Has to start when fit. The guy is the best ball playing midfielder in the league and is a class above anyone in the team. When he came on he hardly gave the ball away, when he did it was trying to slot it through their defence, not passing it across the pitch. He won nearly every tackle he went in for and even challenged well in the air. How many other players can knock a ball 50 yards through the air straigt onto the awaiting players foot? he is the key to unlocking defences if we play around him. In my opinion, we should play him like we played Le tiss. Build the play down one side of the pitch, drag them over, leave our wide men out on the far chalk and lay it back to Morgan to switch the play and do them from the other side. This is something we have lacked for a very long time and if we utilise it, we can tear teams apart. the midfeild looked far better when he came on and he played some quality balls.
forever a red and white Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 one thing that irrittaes me is despite what everyone says, he does get stuck into challenges. But my favourite thing abour Morgan is when he gets a ball and plays a pass he is always thinking of the next ball after that to see if the the player receiving the ball can do something with it or if he can take the ball back himself
J Bizzle Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 look **** face i have seen saints play a lot more games than a clueless gimp like you! In my opinion spiderman is not a good player as i have seen him play home and away . The sooner we bring in another player to go Hammond the better. Just because you've seen games, doesn't mean you know football. I know people that have watched the game for 50+ years but have **** all vision. They can't see the passes people who know football do. Your opinion is very very wrong.
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