Only One Person To Blame - Pardew

[Glasgow_Saint]

I would suggest some of the players have been poor. Pardew doesn't control them all with remote control. There's only so much he, or any manager, can do. Who are we to say whether he's been doing the right things or not? He might well be doing a brilliant job behind the scenes and the players just aren't doing it on matchday.

 

That is the managers responsibility [-o

[St Will]

That is the managers responsibility [-o

 

No it isn't. It's the players responsibility.

[Gingeletiss]

some hysterical kids posting tonight!

 

As always............patience is no longer a virtue......you see that in all walks of life today......sadly!!

[Block 5]

Not calling for his head .

 

But Pardew needs to come out and take it on the chin and own up to getting his tactics, formation and subs wrong today.

 

He f o o ked up and didnt come close to owning up to it in his interview.

 

Great squad =time for manager to deliver

 

Another over reaction thread.

Get a grip FFS.

[sfc6mufc3]

Not sure I want to see him go as I do have faith in him, however when people on here are saying these things take time......well time is running out.

Yes we have 40 games left but with no wins in six and games against Leeds and Charlton coming up I feel we will still be bottom at Xmas.

 

If we cannot beat Swindon, Brentford and 10 man Colchester then what hope have we got of beating Charlton, Leeds, Norwich etc.

 

I do not the answer - if I did I wouldn't be sat here.

I appreciate he is improving the sqaud, but I'm concerned by the following

facts

 

bottom of div 1

no home wins

no away wins

only team in div1 without a win

lowest goals scored (ok this is shared with others)

 

Please remember the standard of teams we are playing we should be beating most of these (like Charton are one of the relegated teams).

 

How often do you see a team get relegated and 6 games in be bottom of that div????

It could only happen to US!!!!!!!

[Gingeletiss]

Whilst i agree with the sentiment we have played games we should have won and today is a great point in case ......time for Pardew to deliver

 

Time for the fans to get behind him.............or is that too much to ask. Just count how many managers we have gone through in the last 7 years....it is absolute madness, for the 'so called' 'loyal' fans on here, to be talking about getting rid of a manager, you could only of dreamed about six months ago..........especially one, who has revitalised the club from top to bottom.............some on here should be ashamed of their knee jerk reactions....IMO:mad:

[Gingeletiss]

And I agree with yours. Results should be better, and yes it is time for Pardew (and the team) to deliver. That said - we are back to the old knee jerk(s) reaction of 'we have a problem - we are not winning games - sack the manager' - total and utter bollux.

 

We, of all teams should, by now, have worked out that just because the team is not performing on the field, this is not an excuse to push yet another manager out of the revolving door. We've done this for years - and where has it got us - err nowhere.

 

So why not go for a much more radical approach, and when the team and the manager are struggling for form, results, whatever - we the fans and the Football Board actually support them, get behind them and back them even more. Just a thought.

 

+1.....+2.....and even +3.....well said.

[chrisobee]

I would suggest some of the players have been poor. Pardew doesn't control them all with remote control. There's only so much he, or any manager, can do. Who are we to say whether he's been doing the right things or not? He might well be doing a brilliant job behind the scenes and the players just aren't doing it on matchday.

 

As I have mentioned so many times Lawrie Mac contrived to take us from 7th in Div 1 to relegation in the space of about 6 months. Luckily in those days the game in general and Saints in particular believed that people deserved time to prove themselves. So he remained as manager ( in truth I don't recall it was ever in doubt he would) and as they say the rest is history. Unfortunately the way of things now is people expect miracles overnight, sorry they rarely if ever happen. Frankly any manager who has managed to bring in Harding, Murty, Lambert, Hammond, Mellis ( ok the jury is still out on him,) Jaidi, Papa and Trotman must be doing something right and have a reasonable idea as to what we need. Though of course it appears many people on here are so knowledeable they know better which makes me wonder why they are not working as a Manager or maybe a TV pundit.

[Gingeletiss]

Spurs have a revolving door for managers and they seem to be doing fine,changing managers often is the norm for the majority so embrace it,we ain't Manu or arsenal,we are not even an everton.......in fact we are just another sh1tty little club in a sh1tty little league just like 99% of the rest of the sh1tty clubs with short term managers,we are no different,we aren't special.

 

We are to some..............that is real fans...IMHO of course.

[lordswoodsaints]

So you want him sacked then?!

 

I have never said I want him sacked,what I have said is that I don't think he is upto the task.

I have pointed out a good comparison in spurs because people are afraid of managerial change.

 

Pardew is not entirely to blame,our problems started years ago but I also don't think pardew is the cure.

 

I am realistic and if things don't work out for pardew then so what,it won't be the end of the world if another manager comes along,get used to it,it happens at every club.

[VectisSaint]

First thing Pardew has to instill in the players is to stop playing hoof ball. We need to play the ball out, and make sure we keep possession. I didn't see the game today but was exasperated by the number of times Solent commentary repeated that Davis had lumped the ball down the middle. The GK has a huge responsibility in this, I am not KD's greatest fan, I think he is one of the best when it comes to stopping shots, but his distribution is very poor (as is his positioning for corners). It was the only criticism I used to level at Niemi as well. Stop pumping the ball down the middle, and get the ball out to the full backs to play the ball forward more often. Of course mix it up, so that once you have drawn their forwards to our full backs then go long again, the element of surprise is important. But lumping the ball down the middle every time is a useless tactic, at best you could expect us to win possession 50%, in practice because our player has his back to the ball it is more like 75/25 to the defenders. Of course KD is not the only culprit, our central defenders do the same. The good thing I heard yesterday was that Thomas was getting forward well down the wing in the first half.

[Gingeletiss]

Spurs have Arry Redknapp, probably the best English manager in the game today, we had him but were unable to provide the conditions necessary for him to work his 'magic'.It's really as straightforward as that, you don't hire a guy like Harry and then tell him there's only 54p to spend on players and put a complete ***t like Woodward in his trajectory. To get the best out of Harry you have to let him do things his way and just pay the bills and not ask questions.

 

What a crock of sh1t..............he can only manage a team, with a buy buy buy policy........then leaves them screwed...........ask around!!!

[Gingeletiss]

Nothing to do with giving people time...i am well aware of where we are and who we are right now......... but with the squad we have, against a 10 man COLCHESTER, we should be doing better.

Been a long time since ive been watching football that losing a player has HELPED the team

 

Um!!!!!.....last season.....we done excactly the same. We should be doing better???.........I thought we were.

[chrisobee]

What a crock of sh1t..............he can only manage a team, with a buy buy buy policy........then leaves them screwed...........ask around!!!

 

Well this from the post you responded to pretty much says it all and needs NO comment !

 

"To get the best out of Harry you have to let him do things his way and just pay the bills and not ask questions. "

 

Dodgy !! ( well one comment I could not resist!)

[Professor]

When Pardew arrived in July, he told us that the club needed a 'couple' of new players and that he would be looking at free transfers first. In the event he has signed 4 players and bought in 3 loans. That seems to confirm that his first impression was a serious under assessment and maybe the owners have taken some persuasion. We don't have enough informmation to apportion 'blame', but unfortunately the squad is still too weak, even with 2 more players to come in over the next week or two. There are 3 or 4 of last years' young players who are out of their depth, but it looks as if Pardew will have to keep playing them, at least until January. If the results don't improve, I'm sure AP and the owners will be the first to know that something will need to be done by emergency loans and in the Jan window.

[Gingeletiss]

Read the posts before you come out with s h i t e

 

Now there's one piece of advice...that's needs to be taken by the author!!

[John Smith]

Surely this is simple. Taking each game on its own merit, yesterday, Colchester were forced to play for the draw. When it was 11 v 11, it was an entertaining game and you felt we would score, eventually. When they went down to 10 men, they moved their quick number 20 to left mid and left the loan striker up front to see if he could hold the ball up. Apart from 2 very close shaves in the first half (off the bar and across the face), Colchester offered little going forward. Their best hope was from a set piece.

 

Colcheters CB's were awesome and commanded in the air and did well on the deck. If one of those 2 weren't MOM, it would be an injustice. Trotman, on our behalf, was equally as good, against a very difficult CF. But Perry played his part as they doubled up.

 

AP made substitutions to create a wider game, and then as time wore on, rather than adding another out and out striker, which I don't thinik we had, or would've helped anyway, he threw on Spiderman for Perry. This created the much need time in the middle of the park.

 

So, where did it go wrong? OUR INCESSANT DESIRE TO LUMP IT FORWARD!!!!!!

 

Where dod this come from? Was it directions from AP? LUMP IT LADS!? Or was it the players taking it on themselves to do this? Because this tactic lost us the game yesterday.

 

Where were the defenders when Kelvin had the ball? I know the backs may have been marked, BUT, if they were, that would've meant Colchester had a midfielder out of position! Against 10 men, you have to pull them about. Get the ball to feet, offer the short ball, keep it moving etc, etc! The amount of times KD walked the ball out of the area in order to 'lump it', and the backs were only 3 or four feet ahead of him, was ridiculous! CB's can have the ball also in this position, if the backs are marked, take it down the middle! They had 10 men!

 

That was my largest frustration yesterday, we had an opportunity and we went long ball far too early! We made the subs to enable us to play, but far too often lumped it down the park. NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Poor management or poor player decisions, I don;t know, but this killed us. Their CB's were MOM because we allowed them to be, we played to their strengths and not our advantages.

 

Very frustrating (kids stuff). Sorry kids!

[Gingeletiss]

I have read some utter rubbish on this thread.

 

Has the squad improved since AP's arrival YES!

 

Unbeaten in three games YES!

 

Solid at the back for the first time in a long time YES!

 

The infrastructure in the club is improving YES!

 

The wide plays are fit again. Please enjoy your last day of negativity. The bottom has been reached. Confidence will grow with every clean sheet and the luck will come and with the first win will come the second win and the confidence will grow along with team.

 

Patience, faith and believe. GOOD TIMES!

 

 

Another great post...that has hit the preverbial nail.........again, I wonder about some of our so called 'Loyal fans'...

[up and away]

Not calling for his head .

 

But Pardew needs to come out and take it on the chin and own up to getting his tactics, formation and subs wrong today.

 

He f o o ked up and didnt come close to owning up to it in his interview.

 

Great squad =time for manager to deliver

 

Pardew has to be responsible for a big chunk of this, something not unknown in his recent history. In general the players he has brought in look very good and in the most part perform well individually, but there is a lot lacking as a team that he has failed to install. His post match comments claiming things would have been ok with Saga were lame, hardly done it previously. At the moment I feel he cannot see the wood for the trees, hopefully inspiration will not be a long time coming.

 

I still believe Pardew will get us out of this mess, but I do feel we should be further down the road than where we are. As to wanting him to go, that would be impatient at this stage, but Mandaric would be looking already. Whatever Liebherr / Cortese decide will be fine with me, but I would not mind betting that the search for a sporting director has been cranked up.

 

Like others have said, it would not surprise me to get something out of the Charlton game, equally failing to capatalise on Yeovil at home.

[Legod Third Coming]

COLCHESTER....enough said

 

Er, we're in league one. Oh sorry, because we used to be a Premiership Club we're entitled to beat everyone bar the top four in the Champion's League... No Wonder Leeds are steamrollering everyone, and Bradford, not forgetting Oldham of course, remember them...

 

Why oh why oh why can our fans not accept our position, deal with it and then enjoy the ride back... or not.

 

But it's more likely now we have backing. Remember that too?

 

Eight weeks ago no club, throwing money into buckets to have one.

 

Now undermining the manager after six games.

 

You couldn't make it up.

[SaintRichmond]

The reason we are in this division is not because of changing managers - loads of clubs change managers they dont all slip from the prem to bottom of L1 in 5 years.

 

The real reason we are in this mess is because we appoint the wrong managers.

 

Too soon to call on AP but results so far are very poor. If I get things wrong in my job, my boss will say "get it right or we will find someone else that can" he aint going to sit back and say "poor lad, lets give him a few years before we judge"

 

The expectation of some fans has hit rock bottom and some are now satisfied with the absolute bare minimum - its quite sad.

 

AP arrived on the back of an exciting takeover - he has been backed financially and on the terraces....he had every oppurtunity to make the best possible start - yet he has made the worst....[/QUOTE]

 

 

You very conveniently forget to mention WHAT he inherited .....

 

... I know my favorite subject is Lowe , but people who come on bleating about the fact that we should be winning FORGET that thanks to the aformentioned person, what Pardew Inherited, (very close to the start of the season) was a Squad of players whose "Mentality" within the Club was a LOSING one .....

 

Under those circumstances, I think Pardew has done very well ..... but let me ask you this .....

 

Yesterday, we came away moaning about ALL the chances we "squanderd" .....LAST season, we hardly created ANY chances .... BIG difference

 

I'm as impatient as the next Supporter .... but, IMHO, the signs of Revival ARE there for those that wish to see them:cool:

[chrisobee]

Another great post...that has hit the preverbial nail.........again, I wonder about some of our so called 'Loyal fans'...

 

TBH I hesitate to use the word fans in a few cases. I actually think some people actually prefer it when we struggle as it gives them something to moan about. Pathetic!

[lordswoodsaints]

I think a more realistic comparison for Spurs is Arsenal, two clubs that 15 years ago were roughly the same size.

 

In those 15 years Arsenal have (by and large) had stable management and Spurs have played the managerial merry go round.

 

As a result Arsenal are now streets ahead of Spurs.

 

Looking at our situation to want Pardews head now is a joke.

 

He has had no pre season preparation time and has therefore had to perform a complete rebuild during the season.

 

He inherited a terrible team full of kids shot through on confidence that had just sunk without trace in the Coke.

 

The players he has bought look decent to me but they need games under their belts to generate a cohesive team.

 

To expect us to be tearing up trees this quickly is laughable IMO.

 

Pards must be given at least the rest of this season and then we'll then see.

 

I think a par for the course performance would be mid table now.

 

I'd be happy if I were a spurs fan at the moment wouldn't you.

I would take 30 seasons of uninterupted top flight football regardless of what arsenal are up to,it has to be better than freefalling down the leagues doesn't it?.

The comparison I made was because spurs were promoted with us ,have had more managers than us,have won more trophies than us since promotion and have managed to deliver to their fans top flight football.

I also said that you could count on one hand the clubs in the league with long term managers,arsenal being one,so comparing spurs with arsenal is no comparison at all,however comparing spurs with saints is realistic.

 

There is a massive manager merry-go-round in this country and we are just a small part of it,nothing will stop it and to think we should not be part of it is ridiculous IMO.

Currently there are approx 90 managers out of work in this country,they all need jobs so it fuels the constant cycle of change.we can't get off of the merry-go-round,we are neither big enough or willing to spend the money to do so,so we are forever doomed to a high turnover of managers.

Get used to it,accept it and move on.it will do us no less harm than any other club.

Edited 6 September, 2009 by lordswoodsaints

[Saint_Mabes]

Can't really believe all this negativity.

 

Yes I am frustrated and worried that we are nor getting results, BUT, I thought we played really well yesterday and the only problem was not creating clear cut chances. Lambert is trying to do too much and therefore not as effective as he will be, once Papa starts I think that will change. Personally thought Mellis and Thompson had a good game, despite being the 'weak links' in my head.

 

We absolutely battered them even before they had 10 men, so lets not moan too much.

[Thedelldays]

yesterdays result was pap..no excuses can be made...im sure pardew is feeling the pressure and rightly so

[John B]

Can't really believe all this negativity.

 

Yes I am frustrated and worried that we are nor getting results, BUT, I thought we played really well yesterday and the only problem was not creating clear cut chances. Lambert is trying to do too much and therefore not as effective as he will be, once Papa starts I think that will change. Personally thought Mellis and Thompson had a good game, despite being the 'weak links' in my head.

 

We absolutely battered them even before they had 10 men, so lets not moan too much.

 

Football unfortunately is judged on results

 

 

Last season JP's team played nice football and won few games this season AP team plays average football and wins no games no wonder some people are unhappy.

 

 

We now have a English manager and assistant who know the leagues and have four points from six games

[lordswoodsaints]

To all the people who crave stability and a long term manager I suggest you go and find it elsewhere as it ain't going to happen here,in fact it doesn't happen anywhere,even Manu,arsenal and everton have their problems.

Change happens,it might cause problems but it might also cause success,it's a gamble but nothing to fear.

[Thedelldays]

To all the people who crave stability and a long term manager I suggest you go and find it elsewhere as it ain't going to happen here,in fact it doesn't happen anywhere,even Manu,arsenal and everton have their problems.

Change happens,it might cause problems but it might also cause success,it's a gamble but nothing to fear.

indeed....

 

the average life span of a club manager in the football league is something like 12 months (i think)..it happens...

 

should results carry on like thisp pardew will be fired..simple as that

[Legod Third Coming]

I'd be happy if I were a spurs fan at the moment wouldn't you.

I would take 30 seasons of uninterupted top flight football regardless of what arsenal are up to,it has to be better than freefalling down the leagues doesn't it?.

The comparison I made was because spurs were promoted with us ,have had more managers than us,have won more trophies than us since promotion and have managed to deliver to their fans top flight football.

I also said that you could count on one hand the clubs in the league with long term managers,arsenal being one,so comparing spurs with arsenal is no comparison at all,however comparing spurs with saints is realistic.

 

There is a massive manager merry-go-round in this country and we are just a small part of it,nothing will stop it and to think we should not be part of it is ridiculous IMO.

Currently there are approx 90 managers out of work in this country,they all need jobs so it fuels the constant cycle of change.we can't get off of the merry-go-round,we are neither big enough or willing to spend the money to do so,so we are forever doomed to a high turnover of managers.

Get used to it,accept it and move on.it will do us no less harm than any other club.

 

Apart from the money you mean? We've never had wealthy Jewish backers in my living memory, oh until now maybe...

[Delmary]

Not calling for his head .

 

But Pardew needs to come out and take it on the chin and own up to getting his tactics, formation and subs wrong today.

 

He f o o ked up and didnt come close to owning up to it in his interview.

 

Great squad =time for manager to deliver

We have an ok squad but not a great one, we're still too lightweight. We are still too reliant on some of the youngster from last season and to be fair to AP he's already identified this. Maybe AP can strengthen the squad further with loans.

[wild-saint]

This ship will take time to turn around

 

7 goals conceded makes us a top 6 defence. 3 of those at huddersfield with perry and thomas and now with Trotman and jaihidi (sp.) at the back things will get even tighter.

 

the key now is goals. we have no pace up front. The opposition defence can push right up and squeeze the space in midfield. As i see it Papa and his pace will give defenders something to think about, they will need to play deeper and thus creating more space in midfield. Im hoping the extra space created will give the likes of lallana morgan and hammond who are generally composed on the ball the time to dictate the play.

 

I was massively frustrated yesterday but I can see the bigger pictuer and the ship is turning.

[saint_stevo]

IMO he has 5 more games

 

No wins= Goodbye

[up and away]

To all the people who crave stability and a long term manager I suggest you go and find it elsewhere as it ain't going to happen here,in fact it doesn't happen anywhere,even Manu,arsenal and everton have their problems.

Change happens,it might cause problems but it might also cause success,it's a gamble but nothing to fear.

 

We all crave stability, but only because that is normally shackled with success, dependent upon resources. If we drew every game that would certainly be stable, but I doubt many would find that acceptable. Even if the manager won every game going, I doubt we would have that fabled stability. He would then be applying his trade in a higher league no doubt.

 

This is not a major issue at the moment, just some of the gloss has dropped off Pardew and his previous has come into the reckoning. The most important thing is that none of the gloss has dropped off Liebherr and that is the real stability we can hope for. Set up the sporting director and get in a system where we do have that longed for stability, irrespective of personnel movements.

[badgerx16]

but I can see the bigger picture and the ship is turning.

Problem is we are more a 500,000 ton super tanker than a racing tri-maran.

[Robsk II]

No it isn't. It's the players responsibility.

 

I think it's down to Tiger Woods. If only he'd decided to play football for saints -, he's such a perfect athlete, a giant amongst men, a god amongst mortals - that we'd have won the Premiership, FA cup, Champions League and even the WORLD CUP by now.

[shurlock]

Surely this is simple. Taking each game on its own merit, yesterday, Colchester were forced to play for the draw. When it was 11 v 11, it was an entertaining game and you felt we would score, eventually. When they went down to 10 men, they moved their quick number 20 to left mid and left the loan striker up front to see if he could hold the ball up. Apart from 2 very close shaves in the first half (off the bar and across the face), Colchester offered little going forward. Their best hope was from a set piece.

 

Colcheters CB's were awesome and commanded in the air and did well on the deck. If one of those 2 weren't MOM, it would be an injustice. Trotman, on our behalf, was equally as good, against a very difficult CF. But Perry played his part as they doubled up.

 

AP made substitutions to create a wider game, and then as time wore on, rather than adding another out and out striker, which I don't thinik we had, or would've helped anyway, he threw on Spiderman for Perry. This created the much need time in the middle of the park.

 

So, where did it go wrong? OUR INCESSANT DESIRE TO LUMP IT FORWARD!!!!!!

 

Where dod this come from? Was it directions from AP? LUMP IT LADS!? Or was it the players taking it on themselves to do this? Because this tactic lost us the game yesterday.

 

Where were the defenders when Kelvin had the ball? I know the backs may have been marked, BUT, if they were, that would've meant Colchester had a midfielder out of position! Against 10 men, you have to pull them about. Get the ball to feet, offer the short ball, keep it moving etc, etc! The amount of times KD walked the ball out of the area in order to 'lump it', and the backs were only 3 or four feet ahead of him, was ridiculous! CB's can have the ball also in this position, if the backs are marked, take it down the middle! They had 10 men!

 

That was my largest frustration yesterday, we had an opportunity and we went long ball far too early! We made the subs to enable us to play, but far too often lumped it down the park. NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Poor management or poor player decisions, I don;t know, but this killed us. Their CB's were MOM because we allowed them to be, we played to their strengths and not our advantages.

 

Very frustrating (kids stuff). Sorry kids!

 

Would be interested to know where this hoofball has suddenly come from - AP didn't have a reputation of hoofball with either Reading or West Ham. Alway's known for playing quite attractive football.

[S-Clarke]

Would be interested to know where this hoofball has suddenly come from - AP didn't have a reputation of hoofball with either Reading or West Ham. Alway's known for playing quite attractive football.

 

I think alot of it is down to the players nerves/pannicing - as they want a win, so just hoof it as quick as they can.

 

As you saw, in games where we had no pressure on us (brum/n'hampton) we played it around well and didn't hoof it.

 

It's a mental thing, which will only be overcome by winning a bloody league game...and i bet you our first win will be a very scrappy one.

[derry]

Yesterday, Pardew was trying to get the two wide players out on the touchlines. I lost count of the times Pardew was waving at Thomson to get back wide after he had drifted inside.

 

Thomson's default position as a winger is on the touchline, what worries me about a lot of the boys that have come out of the academy is their total lack of knowledge and awareness about football tactics, taking players away, making space for colleagues, bending runs to stay onside, drifting in behind the last defender, just kicking the ball etc.

 

The academy looks as though it is not equipping the young players with the tools to do the job in the first team.

 

The one thing I'd criticise Pardew for yesterday was substituting Perry because it stopped him in the last 15 mins from the desperation move of sticking Trotman up front to try and win some of the high balls going into the box.

 

Pardew is trying change things we play with more width each week but it is like pulling teeth trying to get these kids to concentrate and do the job. He has brought in some decent players but the lack of pace is killing us and that isn't his fault.

 

I would have thought that an absolute requirement of any kid going into the academy was pace. In latter years only Walcott and Dyer had pace and Bale was quickish the rest are pedestrian. The Arsenal academy requires pace, one never sees a slow Arsenal player. I think the academy needs sorting.

[St Will]

I think it's down to Tiger Woods. If only he'd decided to play football for saints -, he's such a perfect athlete, a giant amongst men, a god amongst mortals - that we'd have won the Premiership, FA cup, Champions League and even the WORLD CUP by now.

 

Nah I think it's down to Richard Who? Fox. If only anyone had heard of him, pardew might have been able to call him to persuade him to bring his dingy down and park it in front of the goal. Then you could have sucked him off in the centre circle to put the other team off.

[Junction 9]

I am not for one moment suggesting Pardew should go as I don't think there's a manager with a better track record who would manage us at the moment.

To say that relegation is a knee jerk reaction in nonsense though, you've only got to look at us play and see the table to realise that a relegation battle is almost certainly on the cards this season. People on here bang on about us having a great squad but how long do you have to go without a win to be considered no good? Are we unlucky every week? NO

I bet some on here would look at Charltons squad and look at ours and say they wouldn't swap, it's amazing. I just hope the two new signings make some sort of immediate impact or the weeks are going to slip by and we'll remain bottom.

[Wiltshire Saint]

That is the managers responsibility [-o

 

No it isn't. It's the players responsibility.

 

I think it is the fans responsibility. If they sang a bit louder and a bit better that would transfer to the players and hey would perform better. Imagine the half time team talk where AP can say to them "can you hear the crowd singing? Can you hear what it means to them? Go out there and play with all your hearts. Go and win the game and be their heroes". A powerful scene, I am sure you agree. The fans can provide the motivation for the players and be a source of inspiration for AP's speeches

 

I am not for one moment suggesting Pardew should go as I don't think there's a manager with a better track record who would manage us at the moment.

To say that relegation is a knee jerk reaction in nonsense though, you've only got to look at us play and see the table to realise that a relegation battle is almost certainly on the cards this season. People on here bang on about us having a great squad but how long do you have to go without a win to be considered no good? Are we unlucky every week? NO

I bet some on here would look at Charltons squad and look at ours and say they wouldn't swap, it's amazing. I just hope the two new signings make some sort of immediate impact or the weeks are going to slip by and we'll remain bottom.

 

I would be more inclined to listen to your point of view if I did not know, for a fact that you were blind drunk at the match and "asked to leave" by officials (source, I have a friend who policed the match yesterday who happens to know you)

[lordswoodsaints]

Yesterday, Pardew was trying to get the two wide players out on the touchlines. I lost count of the times Pardew was waving at Thomson to get back wide after he had drifted inside.

 

Thomson's default position as a winger is on the touchline, what worries me about a lot of the boys that have come out of the academy is their total lack of knowledge and awareness about football tactics, taking players away, making space for colleagues, bending runs to stay onside, drifting in behind the last defender, just kicking the ball etc.

 

The academy looks as though it is not equipping the young players with the tools to do the job in the first team.

 

The one thing I'd criticise Pardew for yesterday was substituting Perry because it stopped him in the last 15 mins from the desperation move of sticking Trotman up front to try and win some of the high balls going into the box.

 

Pardew is trying change things we play with more width each week but it is like pulling teeth trying to get these kids to concentrate and do the job. He has brought in some decent players but the lack of pace is killing us and that isn't his fault.

 

I would have thought that an absolute requirement of any kid going into the academy was pace. In latter years only Walcott and Dyer had pace and Bale was quickish the rest are pedestrian. The Arsenal academy requires pace, one never sees a slow Arsenal player. I think the academy needs sorting.

 

I would suggest that if the youngsters are not doing it then pardew should get rid,and replace them with players who are capable.

We havnt got the time to spend on training youngsters to follow orders,not in the first team anyway.

[shurlock]

Yesterday, Pardew was trying to get the two wide players out on the touchlines. I lost count of the times Pardew was waving at Thomson to get back wide after he had drifted inside.

 

Thomson's default position as a winger is on the touchline, what worries me about a lot of the boys that have come out of the academy is their total lack of knowledge and awareness about football tactics, taking players away, making space for colleagues, bending runs to stay onside, drifting in behind the last defender, just kicking the ball etc.

 

The academy looks as though it is not equipping the young players with the tools to do the job in the first team.

 

The one thing I'd criticise Pardew for yesterday was substituting Perry because it stopped him in the last 15 mins from the desperation move of sticking Trotman up front to try and win some of the high balls going into the box.

 

Pardew is trying change things we play with more width each week but it is like pulling teeth trying to get these kids to concentrate and do the job. He has brought in some decent players but the lack of pace is killing us and that isn't his fault.

 

I would have thought that an absolute requirement of any kid going into the academy was pace. In latter years only Walcott and Dyer had pace and Bale was quickish the rest are pedestrian. The Arsenal academy requires pace, one never sees a slow Arsenal player. I think the academy needs sorting.

 

I watched the Saints u-18s against Man U u-18s on the player and the shapeless, hit-and-hope way we played eerily resembles parts of the first team (even with the two awful, arrogant manc commentators, I could see how we didn't deserve the 3-1 scoreline). I do think the Academy is a bit of an empty shell ever since Prost left and we're living off its former glories.

[Micky]

Er, we're in league one. Oh sorry, because we used to be a Premiership Club we're entitled to beat everyone bar the top four in the Champion's League... No Wonder Leeds are steamrollering everyone, and Bradford, not forgetting Oldham of course, remember them...

 

Why oh why oh why can our fans not accept our position, deal with it and then enjoy the ride back... or not.

 

But it's more likely now we have backing. Remember that too?

 

Eight weeks ago no club, throwing money into buckets to have one.

 

Now undermining the manager after six games.

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

This is something that annoys me as well. Because our fall from grace has been so rapid, it appears to me that, some (many) seem to think that we still have Premiership quality players. We don't - our squad and ability are on par with all other League 1 teams. We have no devine right to beat anybody in the league just because we used to be (not so very long ago) a Premiership side.

 

I don't know whether it is the younger posters on here (and if not - then I apologise in advance for my stereotyping and assumptions), but many of us can remember life for the club before the years of continuous top flight football. Perhaps many of our younger fans can't and have been spoilt somewhat.

 

That said - in years gone by when we were in the lower divisions - we had to work bloody hard to get out, nothings changed and the same applies. We have no devine right, we are a League 1 team and we have to battle and scrap the same as our peers - the Premier League is light years away, so get used to it.

 

We will get back there, but it is going to take more time than most probably want - and to start whinging after 9 games is somewhat laughable - personally I would do what LTC advises, sit back, enjoy the ride and support the club.

[lordswoodsaints]

Apart from the money you mean? We've never had wealthy Jewish backers in my living memory, oh until now maybe...

 

Sssshhhhh,don't to suggesting money buys success on here,some people will have a fit.

It's our ever changing managers that keeps us down apparently ;-) not our unwillingness to spend money.

[eurosaint]

The reason we are in this division is not because of changing managers - loads of clubs change managers they dont all slip from the prem to bottom of L1 in 5 years.

 

The real reason we are in this mess is because we appoint the wrong managers.

 

Too soon to call on AP but results so far are very poor. If I get things wrong in my job, my boss will say "get it right or we will find someone else that can" he aint going to sit back and say "poor lad, lets give him a few years before we judge"

 

The expectation of some fans has hit rock bottom and some are now satisfied with the absolute bare minimum - its quite sad.

 

AP arrived on the back of an exciting takeover - he has been backed financially and on the terraces....he had every oppurtunity to make the best possible start - yet he has made the worst....

 

You've got a sh#t boss, mate !

Ask him if he's ever considered encouragement, motivation, cajoling, training, etc.. as his man management skills are clearly lacking !

If I were you I'd get a new job !

[lordswoodsaints]

Apart from the money you mean? We've never had wealthy Jewish backers in my living memory, oh until now maybe...

 

Sssshhhhh,don't to suggesting money buys success on here,some people will have a fit.

It's our ever changing managers that keeps us down apparently ;-) not our unwillingness to spend money.

[bungle]

Not calling for his head .

 

But Pardew needs to come out and take it on the chin and own up to getting his tactics, formation and subs wrong today.

 

He f o o ked up and didnt come close to owning up to it in his interview.

 

Great squad =time for manager to deliver

 

Pathetic and totally inaccurate comments.

[bungle]

To all the people who crave stability and a long term manager I suggest you go and find it elsewhere as it ain't going to happen here,in fact it doesn't happen anywhere,even Manu,arsenal and everton have their problems.

Change happens,it might cause problems but it might also cause success,it's a gamble but nothing to fear.

 

You don't have a clue what you are on about.

[Joesaint]

AP has done really really well, COYS.