Burley will be sacked today

[saintwarwick]

George Burley is clearly a befuddled alcoholic - you can see it in him.

 

Towards the end of his time with us it really affected his ability to mange in my opinion and if he'd been allowed to continue with us we would have been relegated.

 

Scotland should sack him because he's not capable of doing the job there, just like he wasn't capable of managing us.

 

That said i appreciate he was a very good manager before his drinking got out of control.

 

You have evidence of him being an alcoholic and has his drinkling out of control? If so please post a link, thanks.

[alpine_saint]

Well i can look back and say i did warn about spinning the roulette wheel at the time, and questioned how we could afford it. sadly the fools in charge went headlong into the abyss. We certainly had our club back.

 

The spin of the roulette while was a worthwhile risk for the potential rewards - IF we had had someone committed, ambitious and competent in charge at the time.

[saintwarwick]

The spin of the roulette while was a worthwhile risk for the potential rewards - IF we had had someone committed, ambitious and competent in charge at the time.

 

And the new ownwers took the gamble, were they committed ambitious and competent to take charge at the time?

[OldNick]

The spin of the roulette while was a worthwhile risk for the potential rewards - IF we had had someone committed, ambitious and competent in charge at the time.

So now the manager was not committed Lol. It was not worth , although if we had gone into admin 2uears before we may have been through thepain and have a different owner.

[alpine_saint]

So now the manager was not committed Lol.

 

Did he move to the area ???

 

Did he knuckle down and get on with it when Baird and Jones left ?

[OldNick]

Did he move to the area ???

 

Did he knuckle down and get on with it when Baird and Jones left ?

Do you know where the current manager lives or some of the players?

He did get on with it and brought Stern in as well as Davies.Another player we earnt plenty out of

[CB Fry]

I thought you would have understood my wording,I accept it was not explained correctly.

If you recall after the cup final and we sold Bridgey (the start of our decline IMO) WGS moaned that it is impossible to get to the top clubs because as you start to near them they just come and buy your best players.That is when the penny dropped for him that he had gone as far as he could.The same happened in the summer after the play offs.We had then some players who were the nucleus for us to make the top again but they were sold.

Very few managers can put a side together in 6 months and turn them into a promotion team.Keane did it at Sunderland, he hasnt had the same luck at present at Ipswich.

If we had not had the boardroom politics and the club had felt good about itself then perhaps we would have cracked it, his signings were OK but we ultimately failed in that season, the god given right for us to be in the top flight had not worked.

The fans now are probably in the best mindset now for our climb.The majority I believe accept that we have to worjk to get back to the top and most are patient and can see the building blocks being ut into place.

It does worry me seeing some on here thinking we should be beating all comers, they are misguided and if thety expect anything better than safety them they are only going to be disappointed.

 

 

Since when did Burley have six months? He had six months just to assess the bloody squad from the January when he took over from the Saggmeister. And then a full season and a jacuzzi of cash.

 

A few names of managers who have delivered promotion from the CCC in their first full season, or as nickh would have it, the greatest test for all humankind:

 

Billy Davies

Adrian Boothroyd

Tony Mowbray

Roy Keane

Owen Coyle

Alex McLeish

Mick McCarthy

Phil Brown

 

 

There's been at least one example from the three promoted teams every year for the last five seasons. At least one.

 

Not sure that qualifies as "very few". I'm sure you'll be telling me next that Watford, Burnley, Derby and Hull all "had it easy".

 

The reason we had to sell was because the Wilde bunch came in running and threw the kitchen sink at everything without thinking about the consequences if we didn't get promoted. Once that sank in we had to sell to survive, the rest is history.

 

This is very true but is also known as the "speculate to accumulate" demand that Saints fans through the ages had been screaming for. Well, we did it that season, and Burley blew it. The rights and wrongs of it are neither here nor there in this particular debate, but I am sick of people making out Burley had it tough. He clearly, clearly didn't. Millions and millions and millions and millions.

 

At the end of the day, taking a punt on a season aint so bad, and of course it was sensible to step back after it became apparent that Burley was never going to promote regardless of how many millions the club threw at him. Cutting back was of course sensible.

Edited 16 September, 2009 by CB Fry

[alpine_saint]

Since when did Burley have six months? He had six months just to assess the bloody squad from the January when he took over from the Saggmeister. And then a full season and a jacuzzi of cash.

 

A few names of managers who have delivered promotion from the CCC in their first full season, or as nickh would have it, the greatest test for all humankind:

 

Billy Davies

Adrian Boothroyd

Tony Mowbray

Roy Keane

Owen Coyle

Alex McLeish

Mick McCarthy

Phil Brown

 

 

There's been at least one example from the three promoted teams every year for the last five seasons. At least one.

 

Not sure that qualifies as "very few". I'm sure you'll be telling me next that Watford, Burnley, Derby and Hull all "had it easy".

 

 

 

This is very true but is also known as the "speculate to accumulate" demand that Saints fans through the ages had been screaming for. Well, we did it that season, and Burley blew it. The rights and wrongs of it are neither here nor there in this particular debate, but I am sick of people making out Burley had it tough. He clearly, clearly didn't. Millions and millions and millions and millions.

 

At the end of the day, taking a punt on a season aint so bad, and of course it was sensible to step back after it became apparent that Burley was never going to promote regardless of how many millions the club threw at him. Cutting back was of course sensible.

 

Great post.

[OldNick]

Since when did Burley have six months? He had six months just to assess the bloody squad from the January when he took over from the Saggmeister. And then a full season and a jacuzzi of cash.

 

A few names of managers who have delivered promotion from the CCC in their first full season, or as nickh would have it, the greatest test for all humankind:

 

Billy Davies

Adrian Boothroyd

Tony Mowbray

Roy Keane

Owen Coyle

Alex McLeish

Mick McCarthy

Phil Brown

 

 

There's been at least one example from the three promoted teams every year for the last five seasons. At least one.

 

Not sure that qualifies as "very few". I'm sure you'll be telling me next that Watford, Burnley, Derby and Hull all "had it easy".

 

 

 

This is very true but is also known as the "speculate to accumulate" demand that Saints fans through the ages had been screaming for. Well, we did it that season, and Burley blew it. The rights and wrongs of it are neither here nor there in this particular debate, but I am sick of people making out Burley had it tough. He clearly, clearly didn't. Millions and millions and millions and millions.

 

At the end of the day, taking a punt on a season aint so bad, and of course it was sensible to step back after it became apparent that Burley was never going to promote regardless of how many millions the club threw at him. Cutting back was of course sensible.

CB you do get a bit narky if people have a differing view to yours.

You obviously think that with all the politics and fans division that to then run a football club is easy. The managers you say have done it in one season I cant be bothered to research.McLeish took over a PL squad that was not stripped of its star players, the same can be said of Mowbray. Billy Davies did remarkably well the same as Coyle and Keane.Right place right time but i take nothing away from them.Coyle especially on very low budgets has wheeled and dealed and used no superstars to try and make it.

I do hope you keep your own personal finances better than SFC did over this period, as you may think it was OK to take a punt but I myself thought it was reckless and we are now suffering from that spin of the wheel.

In the summer period after that playoff season allegedly we couldnt even afford to have the mowers serviced and had a stop put on some of our accounts. It was only due to the sales we made from the squad kept us afloat.

I dont believe that GB is the best manager we have had but he did what he could in probably one of the most turbulent periods in the clubs history.

I feel sure in the next few months a few things will come out and people may see more of the picture thsat was going on.

[Thedelldays]

I dont believe that GB is the best manager we have had but he did what he could in probably one of the most turbulent periods in the clubs history.

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nick....that summer he bought in pele etc..I would say he had it better than most managers in recent history..

 

you are a dwindling minority that think burley was any good and/or hard done by...