Burley will be sacked today

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Alps give 19c a ring he needs the company...

 

You bugger! made me choke on my beer!:smt118

[Micky]

Bloody hell, folk are still going on about Burley's perceived failings, personal & professional, while he was here?? Amazing!

 

A bit of perspective: Burley's ability to get and hold jobs is simply incompatible with the more extreme stories of perpetual drunkenness one sees. They cannot be true. He may have enjoyed having a few too many on occasion, but most of the time he was clearly sober and responsible, or his hiring record is inexplicable.

 

Our one successful season since the FA Cup final was under Burley, when we got to the CCC playoffs and came within a peculiar rule (away goals not counting double) and an unfortunate penalty shootout of going to the final for a promotion place. Dislike Burley, worship Pearson if you will, but that is plain fact.

 

As to Scotland, Burley has not been less successful than his three or four predecessors. The plain fact is that Scotland is going through a terrible talent drought the past 10 or 15 years. There are really only two truly good players in the present Scottosh team -- Duncan Fletcher and James McFadden -- and one of them was not available for the Holland match. And would anyone pick even Fletcher or McFadden, I won't say for the England team, but even as backups in the England squad?? I doubt it. As Scotland manager, Burley has produced results as good as the talent base could produce, perhaps actually slightly better. If and when Scotland start to produce players of the talent level of the likes of Bremner & Gray & Lorimer and so on, they can hope for better results; but with the collection of second and third rate players they have to make do with nowadays, not the best manager in the world could produce consistent success.

 

Ohhhhh, you've gone and ruined everybodies fun now. There he was, lying on the floor and we were all happy as pigs putting the boot in - and then you had to come along and put some perspective on things. Perhaps he wasn't a drunkard, perhaps he didn't do a bad job, perhaps the Scotland job was harder than we percieve, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps....

 

Nice post, even though it will probably have you cast off to the '19c corner' for the rest of the evening.

[CB Fry]

Bloody hell, folk are still going on about Burley's perceived failings, personal & professional, while he was here?? Amazing!

 

A bit of perspective: Burley's ability to get and hold jobs is simply incompatible with the more extreme stories of perpetual drunkenness one sees. They cannot be true. He may have enjoyed having a few too many on occasion, but most of the time he was clearly sober and responsible, or his hiring record is inexplicable.

 

Our one successful season since the FA Cup final was under Burley, when we got to the CCC playoffs and came within a peculiar rule (away goals not counting double) and an unfortunate penalty shootout of going to the final for a promotion place. Dislike Burley, worship Pearson if you will, but that is plain fact.

 

 

Away goals don't count double in domestic knockout football and nor should they. Don't be so silly. Dress it up how you like but burley failed in the job he was employed to do.

[OldNick]

Away goals don't count double in domestic knockout football and nor should they. Don't be so silly. Dress it up how you like but burley failed in the job he was employed to do.

CB I think that was the first season where away goals didnt count double, they had until then

[OldNick]

You list 10 wins, 5 draws, and 11 defeats, which comes to 26 games. If he was in charge for 28 games, as you claim, you need to add two more results. If they were both defeats, your points ratio stands; if not, that ratio will go up. Either way, your statistics as stated are in error.

Rinny apologies it was in fact my mistake.It was my figures.It does put the % more into perspective.

[krissyboy31]

CB I think that was the first season where away goals didnt count double, they had until then

 

No they ceased to use the away goal rule in 2000.

[RinNY]

Away goals don't count double in domestic knockout football and nor should they. Don't be so silly. Dress it up how you like but burley failed in the job he was employed to do.

 

In that case 95% or more of football managers fail every year. Your perspective is, in my opinion, what is wrong with modern football: the criteria of success are so narrow, that no-one is satisfied with having a good season, making progress, playing (watching) enjoyable football: it's all about winning something, winning something! Which means that everyone is constantly failing, there is constant turnover in managers and playing personnel, and fans are constantly dissatisfied.

 

Burley's job was to get the team into the promotion hunt; he did so. That season was thus a relative success: not the complete success we would have ideally hoped for, but a relative success. Other than that one season, the club has done nothing but go backwards since the FA Cup Final season. That is is fact: you can look up the statistics. I don't know why people hate Burley so much, but then I've never been much of a hater. Hate seems to be the emotion of choice for many people around here, however, so I'll leave it at that ...

[Channon's Sideburns]

In that case 95% or more of football managers fail every year. Your perspective is, in my opinion, what is wrong with modern football: the criteria of success are so narrow, that no-one is satisfied with having a good season, making progress, playing (watching) enjoyable football: it's all about winning something, winning something! Which means that everyone is constantly failing, there is constant turnover in managers and playing personnel, and fans are constantly dissatisfied.

 

Burley's job was to get the team into the promotion hunt; he did so. That season was thus a relative success: not the complete success we would have ideally hoped for, but a relative success. Other than that one season, the club has done nothing but go backwards since the FA Cup Final season. That is is fact: you can look up the statistics. I don't know why people hate Burley so much, but then I've never been much of a hater. Hate seems to be the emotion of choice for many people around here, however, so I'll leave it at that ...

 

Ok, I'll give you examples of how Burley ****ed me off in that season:

 

1) His attitude that the Play-offs were our only aim (setting that as a target for the players was only ever going to produce under-performance - reach for the stars ring any bells?);

 

2) Dropping Rasiak mid-way through the season when he was on fire;

 

3) Spanking over £7M on players who never really performed - and THAT'S why we went downhill - he bought crap players on high salaries.

 

4) His non-sensical interviews showing complete delusion over our performances - and as was disclosed by Radio Solent, his threats to stop all interviews in future if they asked questions he didn't want to answer.

 

5) His lack of committment to the club by living in the DeVere - now HOW MUCH did that cost the club then? No wonder we were in the proverbial...

 

As for the Rasiak argument (because I guess that's coming) he WAS an effective player before Burley trashed his confidence.

 

As someone else has already said, he's a manager getting jobs based on one good season with Ipswich. End of.

 

Sad, because I really thought that he was the right man for us.

[polegategavin]

Ok, I'll give you examples of how Burley ****ed me off in that season:

 

1) His attitude that the Play-offs were our only aim (setting that as a target for the players was only ever going to produce under-performance - reach for the stars ring any bells?);

 

2) Dropping Rasiak mid-way through the season when he was on fire;

 

3) Spanking over £7M on players who never really performed - and THAT'S why we went downhill - he bought crap players on high salaries.

 

4) His non-sensical interviews showing complete delusion over our performances - and as was disclosed by Radio Solent, his threats to stop all interviews in future if they asked questions he didn't want to answer.

 

5) His lack of committment to the club by living in the DeVere - now HOW MUCH did that cost the club then? No wonder we were in the proverbial...

 

As for the Rasiak argument (because I guess that's coming) he WAS an effective player before Burley trashed his confidence.

 

As someone else has already said, he's a manager getting jobs based on one good season with Ipswich. End of.

 

Sad, because I really thought that he was the right man for us.

 

I'm not going to try and question your comments anywhere else, but surely this is the point that all the contributors are making is that because WE all thought he was going to be a resounding success because of his history, that they were so disappointed with losing in the play offs, and then struggling the following season.

 

This doesn't make him a cr4p manager, as with the vast majority of sacked managers down the years, just that he didn't match the expectations of the fans.

 

My feeling is that we have moved on from that part of our history, history will remain the same regardless of what is said or done afterwards.

 

The king is dead, long live the king.......sums it up for me.

 

I live in the present and all I care about is what the Saints do this weekend when we face Charlton.

[CB Fry]

In that case 95% or more of football managers fail every year. Your perspective is, in my opinion, what is wrong with modern football: the criteria of success are so narrow, that no-one is satisfied with having a good season, making progress, playing (watching) enjoyable football: it's all about winning something, winning something! Which means that everyone is constantly failing, there is constant turnover in managers and playing personnel, and fans are constantly dissatisfied.

 

Burley's job was to get the team into the promotion hunt; he did so. That season was thus a relative success: not the complete success we would have ideally hoped for, but a relative success. Other than that one season, the club has done nothing but go backwards since the FA Cup Final season. That is is fact: you can look up the statistics. I don't know why people hate Burley so much, but then I've never been much of a hater. Hate seems to be the emotion of choice for many people around here, however, so I'll leave it at that ...

 

 

Burley's job was not to get into the "promotion hunt" and it was not a "relative success".

 

He had a promotion budget not a "fingers crossed, lets progress a little bit" budget.

 

Lots of fans are wailing on about Pardew's lack of pre season this time out, but Burley had the longest pre season of any manager in history - it started in the January he took over as noone asked him to do any except prepare in those six months.

 

Plus it was clear we had one shot to get promoted. It was the last of our parachute years and the following season meant sales. That's why it wasn't about "let's progress, let's build" it was go up that season or nothing.

 

Any fool could see that the following season would see sales and belt-tightening - the "we can build on this" was always a pipedream. I said it at the time and I was right.

 

And its funny when players are sold there is much wailing about how weakened we are, but when we spend millions and millions and millions and millions on players the same people say "well money doesn't guarantee success". It's classic cake and eat it hypocracy. If we were weakened post-sales then when were we actually strong?

 

And it is so called "positive" fans who define themselves by saying how weak and rubbish we are and we shouldn't dare to achieve anything and fingers crossed we'll finish fourth from bottom. "Positive" fans. My arse.

 

Burley was a failure and his excuses with Scotland mirror his Saints excuses - "we're building". No one asked him to build. He was asked to deliver against a target and he failed to do so.

 

And sorry about wanting Saints to be successful. How awfully terrible of me.

 

Anyway, I really couldn't give two flips about Burley. He is history.

Edited 11 September, 2009 by CB Fry

[sadoldgit]

So the entire basis of your dismissal of this is that no-one took a picture ?

 

Riiightyho......

 

If you dont like the discussion, go to another thread.

 

Some of us feel he had as big a role in wrecking this club as the usual suspects.

 

You do write some tripe Alpine but even by your standards this is total cr*p. Please explain to me how someone who has the best win ration and points per game ratio wrecked the club?

 

Up until the management let Baird, Bale and Jones go from underneath him we were still a reasonable club. Perhap you forgot the day that Hone made his infamous statement which signalled the end of our promotion ambitions?

 

Burley at least gave us the only half decent season we have had since Strachan. His team used to win matches. In fact they averaged over a win every other game.

 

So he played players out of position. So did Strachan, don't see him getting flak for it?

 

Who took us down? Burley or Redknapp? How made a pigs ear of getting us back up at the first go? Redknapp. But you keep having a pop at Burley.

 

You delight in failure and in negativity but your targets are not consistant. No doubt you will continue to single out Burley for abuse even if Pardew continues with his current poor record.

 

No Nick and I are not the same person. We just see you for what you are.

 

By the way, as much as you can't wait for a man to lose his livliehood and will have great fun at his expense if he does, a man who has forgotten more about football than you will ever know (Terry Butcher) has come out in firm support of him, as have others.

Edited 11 September, 2009 by sadoldgit

[alpine_saint]

Man, this relentless persistent arse-kissing by certain individuals, using totally irrelevant statisitics, of a man who took loads of money, spent loads of money, didnt care about the club and sent us on the way to another relegation is absolutely f**king hillarious.

[alpine_saint]

By the way, as much as you can't wait for a man to lose his livliehood and will have great fun at his expense if he does, a man who has forgotten more about football than you will ever know (Terry Butcher) has come out in firm support of him, as have others.

 

And what about all the people at SMS who lost their livelihoods last year, in no small part due to the ridiculous player contracts he arranged during his tenure ?

 

You make any point in order to try to score Brownie points over me.

 

I pity you.

[sadoldgit]

And what about all the people at SMS who lost their livelihoods last year, in no small part due to the ridiculous player contracts he arranged during his tenure ?

 

You make any point in order to try to score Brownie points over me.

 

I pity you.

 

He arranged? Sorry but I thought that the remnants of the Wilde bunch were running the business, you know, the bloke you supported?

[Windmill Arm 2]

I cant believe we are all still arguing about Whiskey George, I was hell bent on getting him out of here during his ridiculous tenure, but jesus, he's gone now, and good riddance. It's much more fun just laughing at the sweaty socks (my international equivalent of the skates)

[VectisSaint]

Our one successful season since the FA Cup final was under Burley, when we got to the CCC playoffs and came within a peculiar rule (away goals not counting double) and an unfortunate penalty shootout of going to the final for a promotion place. Dislike Burley, worship Pearson if you will, but that is plain fact.

.

Our one (sort of) successful season (if you consider 6th place with the best squad in the League successful) was largely the result of having one of the best assistant managers around supporting the ailing manager. Snodin leaves, Burley reverts to being **** poor again. Our players were so unfit after half a season under Burley without Snodin that it was shameful, and made the turnaround under Pearson all the more remarkable. Fat players with no confidence and 9 games to keep us up. Thank goodness the Jocks came and took Burley before we were totally screwed and even paid us for the privilege. Burley's reputation is based on some success many years ago. He was a has-been when he joined us.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I cant believe we are all still arguing about Whiskey George, I was hell bent on getting him out of here during his ridiculous tenure, but jesus, he's gone now, and good riddance. It's much more fun just laughing at the sweaty socks (my international equivalent of the skates)

 

He's like that truck in the movie 'Duel' - just when we think we've gotten rid of him he reappears in our rear view mirror

[sadoldgit]

Burley did a brilliant job at Ipswich and Hearts. In his only full season with us we were as good as any of the top 6 sides but lacked consistancy. To knock someone who averaged 1.54 points a game is just crazy but typical of managing the expectations of some Saints fans. To say that he wrecked this club is ridiculous. Like anyone, he did the job as best he could and better than many we have had but it wasn't quite good enough. We weren't going up with Redknapp and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth under Pearson.

 

Get some perpective.

 

If Burely was way down the list of stats, fine, but he is at the top. Snodin wasn't here when Burley had that great run in to his first season nor was he as Ipswich or Hearts.

[Thedelldays]

Burley did a brilliant job at Ipswich and Hearts. In his only full season with us we were as good as any of the top 6 sides but lacked consistancy. To knock someone who averaged 1.54 points a game is just crazy but typical of managing the expectations of some Saints fans. To say that he wrecked this club is ridiculous. Like anyone, he did the job as best he could and better than many we have had but it wasn't quite good enough. We weren't going up with Redknapp and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth under Pearson.

 

Get some perpective.

 

If Burely was way down the list of stats, fine, but he is at the top. Snodin wasn't here when Burley had that great run in to his first season nor was he as Ipswich or Hearts.

 

 

he did not do a brilliant job at hearts..he did a brilliant 16 games...that was about it...

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Burley did a brilliant job at Ipswich and Hearts. In his only full season with us we were as good as any of the top 6 sides but lacked consistancy. To knock someone who averaged 1.54 points a game is just crazy but typical of managing the expectations of some Saints fans. To say that he wrecked this club is ridiculous. Like anyone, he did the job as best he could and better than many we have had but it wasn't quite good enough. We weren't going up with Redknapp and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth under Pearson.

 

Get some perpective.

 

If Burely was way down the list of stats, fine, but he is at the top. Snodin wasn't here when Burley had that great run in to his first season nor was he as Ipswich or Hearts.

 

You are wasting your time quoting facts with the likes of Alpine and Delldays i'm afraid. Much better idea to get your facts from a local taxi driver and post crap on here :-(

[St Marco]

There is an interesting piece on him on sky with people saying if they are for or against him staying on. One of the guys noted something that all of us surely have to agree on.

Burley never get's a team playing consistently. At the very highest levels of any competitive sport you have to perform consistent or you won't win anything.

 

Now there are obviously lot's of factors that can influence that such as maybe people getting sold, players getting injured etc.. But there is also the other side which he mentions. Where ever Burley has gone he seems to fall out with a lot of players/staff.

The whole Boyd thing as he mentions if you look at it is a total farce. You got your countries current top scorer who is also the leagues top scorer and in red hot form and he is dropped for someone who has never played for the country before and is not performing that well league wise. Now if it happen's once you can say well yeah let's try something else. But if it happen's multiple times especially when the team play's crap and loses would you think "yeah it is a great decision putting me on the bench or not even on the bench at all" or "hang on a second why am i being over looked?".

Anyone saying they don't want to play at any level is disgraceful but as the guy mentions there are various cases like this all over his career. If your not playing one of your best players who is in form and putting guys in who have never played your obviously doing it for a reason. If you do that you have to expect to be judged on those things.

And ultimatly in my view at least that is why i dislike him and don't rate him. He makes decisions that majority of the time would take Einstein to work the logic out from.

 

What Burley needs is a club where he can have as much cash as he needs and surround himself with people who are just like him, people who will not clash. If he can do that then he could do well.

The problem is not many clubs are like that these days.

[Danny R]

You are wasting your time quoting facts with the likes of Alpine and Delldays i'm afraid. Much better idea to get your facts from a local taxi driver and post crap on here :-(

 

No! they speak complete sense. We spent £7m! we should not have dropped a single point all season. We are Saints, we deserved to be in the Premier league so much more than all the similar size clubs that were in the CCC that year, anything else is just cr*p.

[Gorgiesaint]

There is an interesting piece on him on sky with people saying if they are for or against him staying on. One of the guys noted something that all of us surely have to agree on.

Burley never get's a team playing consistently. At the very highest levels of any competitive sport you have to perform consistent or you won't win anything.

 

Now there are obviously lot's of factors that can influence that such as maybe people getting sold, players getting injured etc.. But there is also the other side which he mentions. Where ever Burley has gone he seems to fall out with a lot of players/staff.

The whole Boyd thing as he mentions if you look at it is a total farce. You got your countries current top scorer who is also the leagues top scorer and in red hot form and he is dropped for someone who has never played for the country before and is not performing that well league wise. Now if it happen's once you can say well yeah let's try something else. But if it happen's multiple times especially when the team play's crap and loses would you think "yeah it is a great decision putting me on the bench or not even on the bench at all" or "hang on a second why am i being over looked?".

Anyone saying they don't want to play at any level is disgraceful but as the guy mentions there are various cases like this all over his career. If your not playing one of your best players who is in form and putting guys in who have never played your obviously doing it for a reason. If you do that you have to expect to be judged on those things.

 

With regards to Kris Boyd, you need to appreciate that whilst he is a proven goalscorer at SPL level, at the time of the Norway game - he wasn't even a regular in the Rangers team. He has scored so many at club level is because he is penalty box predator and Rangers dominate most of the teams in their league. Take a look at his record when Rangers play Celtic or in Europe, he rarely plays because Walter Smith can't afford to lose the work-rate that others provide. Scotland are a poor team & cannot afford that lack of work-rate either.

 

You question whether Burley gets a team playing consistently, surely only the very top teams are consistent and Ipswich, Derby, Hearts, Saints & Scotland could hardly be described as 'top' teams, even in their divisions.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

No! they speak complete sense. We spent £7m! we should not have dropped a single point all season. We are Saints, we deserved to be in the Premier league so much more than all the similar size clubs that were in the CCC that year, anything else is just cr*p.

That is is one of the most stupid posts i have ever seen on here.

How do Saints deserve to be in in the Premier League so much more than other clubs? please explain?

[Gemmel]

That is is one of the most stupid posts i have ever seen on here.

How do Saints deserve to be in in the Premier League so much more than other clubs? please explain?

 

The pitfalls of drinking and going on an internet forum......I'm sure he will accept your apology Andy

[Rattlehead]

That is is one of the most stupid posts i have ever seen on here.

How do Saints deserve to be in in the Premier League so much more than other clubs? please explain?

 

Because we f*cking rule. Champions league glory in 5 years - guaranteed.

 

Watch this space pal.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Burley failed miserably here to make the most of the assets at his disposal. Same story with the Scottish team. You can't have personal vendettas, play the big 'I AM' card by benching or excluding your victim(s) and then be surprised when it all backfires.

[saintwarwick]

I cant believe we are all still arguing about Whiskey George, I was hell bent on getting him out of here during his ridiculous tenure, but jesus, he's gone now, and good riddance. It's much more fun just laughing at the sweaty socks (my international equivalent of the skates)

 

Why do you keep calling him whiskey? George, has he changed his name?

[alpine_saint]

Burley did a brilliant job at Ipswich and Hearts. In his only full season with us we were as good as any of the top 6 sides but lacked consistancy. To knock someone who averaged 1.54 points a game is just crazy but typical of managing the expectations of some Saints fans. To say that he wrecked this club is ridiculous. Like anyone, he did the job as best he could and better than many we have had but it wasn't quite good enough. We weren't going up with Redknapp and we stayed up by the skin of our teeth under Pearson.

 

Get some perpective.

 

If Burely was way down the list of stats, fine, but he is at the top. Snodin wasn't here when Burley had that great run in to his first season nor was he as Ipswich or Hearts.

 

No, YOU get some perspective, idiot.

 

Pearson picked up a wreckage of a team, spiritually, motivationally, fitness-wise. And kept them up.

 

Burley got a fortune to spend and got his selections, formations and tacitics wrong in most games. And the wonderful average you are alluding to (as you have been told by many on COUNTLESS occasions) is :

 

-Only slightly better than Pearsons

-The least to be expected with the money he had to spend when comparing to most of managers who got their averages against Premiership teams, and with less money to spend.

 

No doubt you will keep repeating this average ad infinitum however, since you are such a bigot.

[alpine_saint]

Burley's job was not to get into the "promotion hunt" and it was not a "relative success".

 

He had a promotion budget not a "fingers crossed, lets progress a little bit" budget.

 

Lots of fans are wailing on about Pardew's lack of pre season this time out, but Burley had the longest pre season of any manager in history - it started in the January he took over as noone asked him to do any except prepare in those six months.

 

Plus it was clear we had one shot to get promoted. It was the last of our parachute years and the following season meant sales. That's why it wasn't about "let's progress, let's build" it was go up that season or nothing.

 

Any fool could see that the following season would see sales and belt-tightening - the "we can build on this" was always a pipedream. I said it at the time and I was right.

 

And its funny when players are sold there is much wailing about how weakened we are, but when we spend millions and millions and millions and millions on players the same people say "well money doesn't guarantee success". It's classic cake and eat it hypocracy. If we were weakened post-sales then when were we actually strong?

 

And it is so called "positive" fans who define themselves by saying how weak and rubbish we are and we shouldn't dare to achieve anything and fingers crossed we'll finish fourth from bottom. "Positive" fans. My arse.

 

Burley was a failure and his excuses with Scotland mirror his Saints excuses - "we're building". No one asked him to build. He was asked to deliver against a target and he failed to do so.

 

And sorry about wanting Saints to be successful. How awfully terrible of me.

 

Anyway, I really couldn't give two flips about Burley. He is history.

 

Agree with all apart the last sentiment. I think it is best for football if his energy-sapping "make hay whilst the sun shines giving the impression of hope and progress when the only thing improving is my current account" brand of football is not inflicted on another team. Ever again.

[Thedelldays]

Burley's job was not to get into the "promotion hunt" and it was not a "relative success".

 

He had a promotion budget not a "fingers crossed, lets progress a little bit" budget.

 

Lots of fans are wailing on about Pardew's lack of pre season this time out, but Burley had the longest pre season of any manager in history - it started in the January he took over as noone asked him to do any except prepare in those six months.

 

Plus it was clear we had one shot to get promoted. It was the last of our parachute years and the following season meant sales. That's why it wasn't about "let's progress, let's build" it was go up that season or nothing.

 

Any fool could see that the following season would see sales and belt-tightening - the "we can build on this" was always a pipedream. I said it at the time and I was right.

 

And its funny when players are sold there is much wailing about how weakened we are, but when we spend millions and millions and millions and millions on players the same people say "well money doesn't guarantee success". It's classic cake and eat it hypocracy. If we were weakened post-sales then when were we actually strong?

 

And it is so called "positive" fans who define themselves by saying how weak and rubbish we are and we shouldn't dare to achieve anything and fingers crossed we'll finish fourth from bottom. "Positive" fans. My arse.

 

Burley was a failure and his excuses with Scotland mirror his Saints excuses - "we're building". No one asked him to build. He was asked to deliver against a target and he failed to do so.

 

And sorry about wanting Saints to be successful. How awfully terrible of me.

 

Anyway, I really couldn't give two flips about Burley. He is history.

 

 

brilliantly put

[St Marco]

Agree 100% with CB Fry and is probably the best way to put it.

 

George - At that time of selection he had actually played 3 games, scoring 4 goals. So Burley said it was because of not playing for Rangers but he was. He had only just recovered from injury a few weeks prior. If he had used that excuse nobody would of said anything. It was the way he said it that ****ed people off. He said "He need's to establish himself in the Rangers team 1st".

You ask any Rangers fans what they think of him and your have your answer

As for not doing well with Scotland he had played 15 games and scored 7 goals...Almost a 50% ratio. For Rangers he has played 115 games and scored 81 goals. Those stats speak for themself. Burley fecked up over that one bigtime.

When the guy was talking about him never being consistent i think he meant as in he will always be average regardless. If you gave him a team and lots of money which is say expected to finish in the top 3 he would finish 4th.

[Danny R]

That is is one of the most stupid posts i have ever seen on here.

How do Saints deserve to be in in the Premier League so much more than other clubs? please explain?

 

Sarcasm my friend, I was agreeing with you!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Tiresome long past its 'sell buy date' argument . George Burley was a disappearing speck in my rear view mirror 12 months ago , why so many are interested in resurrecting this utterly pointless discussion is quite beyond me .

[Legod Third Coming]

CB - Bang on the money.

 

What the feck is Burley building for??

 

And how the hell can you 'build' an international team over a four year period when half the players will retire, a futher third will have injuries and some players will emerge you have never even heard of...

 

Funny how Capello can deliver with exactly the same talent available as McLaren,

 

Reason - he is a good manager, McLaren wasn't!!!!

 

Same goes for Burley. He won 3 games in 12. With six of the games against international no-hopers!!!!

[Channon's Sideburns]

How ironic it is though that Pards has spent - £1.5M? and we're moving forwards..

 

Burley spent £7.5M and we went backwards.

[Thedelldays]

when you look at the ins and outs of burleys tenure here...it is not good reading IMO

 

you look at the money he spent then look how much money burnley, hull spent to get out of the ccc..

[alpine_saint]

when you look at the ins and outs of burleys tenure here...it is not good reading IMO

 

 

Apart from the little statistic that SOGGY uses as punctuation in every post he makes on this site, of course....

 

He uses his average ="1.54 points per game" like Mike Wilde used "COYR"

 

[Thedelldays]

Apart from the little statistic that SOGGY uses as punctuation in every post he makes on this site, of course....

 

He uses his average ="1.54 points per game" like Mike Wilde used "COYR"

 

 

what annoys me when people use that statistic is that it totally LOOKS PAST the relativity of where we were at and the squad we had etc etc...

[alpine_saint]

what annoys me when people use that statistic is that it totally LOOKS PAST the relativity of where we were at and the squad we had etc etc...

 

Yep - it completely ignores so many factors as to render it irrelevant.

[OldNick]

stats prove nothing but give an idea of someones performance in general. You have to stand back and think aobut it clearly.

When he took over the squad had been culled.We had lost a team of star players (most underperformed) , the club was in turmoil yet again and it was during a massive power struggle with the fans divided. he was given money to replace players in positions that had been left open by players leaving.Wilde bunch came in and gave him a free rein.Interstingly 2 of his purchases still cause friction by the protagonists who dont rate him.Rasiak and Saga both brought to us by him.Yes he bought some bad buys but he also brought some good ones. He turned a reserve full back into a player of the season, who was then sold for £m's, the same can be said of Kenwyne who many thought was rubbish.Add bringing Bale as a 16 year old into the team and he did quite well.In fact selling those three kept us from administration earlier (could be a bad thing of course as there was more money around thenand we may have found a big spender) We then went into his last season where we sold the 3 Baird Jones and Bale, the heart had been ripped out of the team.Gb got Stern in who had a purple patch to fill some of the void.Jan came and the statement by Hoos? and that again rocked the boat.The fans were again in unrest , they had lost their confidence totally in Gb and we had the chance to get compensation for his departure. Not since have we been in a position in the league that he left us in.

This is of course a potted history and many will disagree with but his signings and transfers work does stand up to examination. He has gone and i hope that AP can take us back and above where GB left us.

[sadoldgit]

stats prove nothing but give an idea of someones performance in general. You have to stand back and think aobut it clearly.

When he took over the squad had been culled.We had lost a team of star players (most underperformed) , the club was in turmoil yet again and it was during a massive power struggle with the fans divided. he was given money to replace players in positions that had been left open by players leaving.Wilde bunch came in and gave him a free rein.Interstingly 2 of his purchases still cause friction by the protagonists who dont rate him.Rasiak and Saga both brought to us by him.Yes he bought some bad buys but he also brought some good ones. He turned a reserve full back into a player of the season, who was then sold for £m's, the same can be said of Kenwyne who many thought was rubbish.Add bringing Bale as a 16 year old into the team and he did quite well.In fact selling those three kept us from administration earlier (could be a bad thing of course as there was more money around thenand we may have found a big spender) We then went into his last season where we sold the 3 Baird Jones and Bale, the heart had been ripped out of the team.Gb got Stern in who had a purple patch to fill some of the void.Jan came and the statement by Hoos? and that again rocked the boat.The fans were again in unrest , they had lost their confidence totally in Gb and we had the chance to get compensation for his departure. Not since have we been in a position in the league that he left us in.

This is of course a potted history and many will disagree with but his signings and transfers work does stand up to examination. He has gone and i hope that AP can take us back and above where GB left us.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself Nick, spot on. People soon forget the good things. As you say, he brought on Jones in leaps and bounds. He also knew what a decent keeper Davis was when the cyber jockeys on here thought otherwise. Rasiak, Saga were good buys and didn't he bring in Andrew Davies? Still, there is a faction on here who will never forgive him for being a Lowe/Woodward appointment (apart from a fact that his signing was a real coup at the time) and for not taking us up (as apparently spending a certain amount of money guarantees promotion).

 

Burley had trouble sorting out his defence just as Redknapp could sort out the goalscoring problem when we first went down. Why is the same level of grief not directed at him? Aferall, he said would go up f'sure?

 

But for some individual eors by individual players we would hve made the ply off final in his only full season, how can that be seen as "wrecking the club" as Alpine would have us believe?

 

When he left we were nearer the play offs than we were the relegation zone and again, despite what Alpine would have us believe were not "on the slide" until the following managers took over.

 

It is absurbed to heap derison his way. Okay, he was no Bates or McMenemy but then they were allowed time to make mistakes. Nowdays you are allowed very little time and even finishing in the play off positions is seen as failure.

[sadoldgit]

Apart from the little statistic that SOGGY uses as punctuation in every post he makes on this site, of course....

 

He uses his average ="1.54 points per game" like Mike Wilde used "COYR"

 

 

Probly because no other manager has managed to get the same results, even those who could field 7 Enngland captains and players of the cabibre of Channon, Keegan, Williams and Armstrong.

 

But of course in some deluded minds the fact that Burley managed to win nearly every other game and has the biggest win ratio of any manager we have had means that he actually "wrecked" the club and was an utter failure.

 

In those same minds a manager who only managed 3 wins in 13 and was 20 minutes away from relegation is seen as a screaming success.

 

Tell me Alpine, what points ratio per game do you consider a reasonable figure to determine whether the manager is doing a good job?

[alpine_saint]

Probly because no other manager has managed to get the same results, even those who could field 7 Enngland captains and players of the cabibre of Channon, Keegan, Williams and Armstrong.

 

But of course in some deluded minds the fact that Burley managed to win nearly every other game and has the biggest win ratio of any manager we have had means that he actually "wrecked" the club and was an utter failure.

 

In those same minds a manager who only managed 3 wins in 13 and was 20 minutes away from relegation is seen as a screaming success.

 

Tell me Alpine, what points ratio per game do you consider a reasonable figure to determine whether the manager is doing a good job?

 

Wow, another repetition...

[sadoldgit]

Wow, another repetition...

 

You never answer a question do you? Maybe that is why people repeat themselves to you?

[alpine_saint]

You never answer a question do you? Maybe that is why people repeat themselves to you?

 

I gave your comments more attention than they deserved at 07:15 this morning (#180). I, unlike you, have no inention of repeating myself until I read the response I want.

[saintwarwick]

You never answer a question do you? Maybe that is why people repeat themselves to you?

 

You would be correct there sadoldgit, he normally responds to my facts with a yawn because they are facts and he cannot deal with them.

[saintwarwick]

when you look at the ins and outs of burleys tenure here...it is not good reading IMO

 

you look at the money he spent then look how much money burnley, hull spent to get out of the ccc..

 

Heres a few facts for you and alpine, when the Wilde bunch took over Burley was given £7million to spend which was a huge amount for a championship club but the Wilde bunch excepted his expectation of a play off place which we achieved. If you want to slag Burley of for not achieving more, perhaps you should aim your anger at the management at the time as Burley achieved what he set out to do. The following season we sold £20million worth of talent, how do yo replace that? We were also nearer to a playoff place than relegation when he left, Pearson was a whisker from relegation, remember alpine some of us were there through thick and thin and not behind a keyboard.

[Thedelldays]

Heres a few facts for you and alpine, when the Wilde bunch took over Burley was given £7million to spend which was a huge amount for a championship club but the Wilde bunch excepted his expectation of a play off place which we achieved. If you want to slag Burley of for not achieving more, perhaps you should aim your anger at the management at the time as Burley achieved what he set out to do. The following season we sold £20million worth of talent, how do yo replace that? We were also nearer to a playoff place than relegation when he left, Pearson was a whisker from relegation, remember alpine some of us were there through thick and thin and not behind a keyboard.

Had we sold 20m worth before reaching the playoffs?

[alpine_saint]

Heres a few facts for you and alpine, when the Wilde bunch took over Burley was given £7million to spend which was a huge amount for a championship club but the Wilde bunch excepted his expectation of a play off place which we achieved. If you want to slag Burley of for not achieving more, perhaps you should aim your anger at the management at the time as Burley achieved what he set out to do. The following season we sold £20million worth of talent, how do yo replace that? We were also nearer to a playoff place than relegation when he left, Pearson was a whisker from relegation, remember alpine some of us were there through thick and thin and not behind a keyboard.

 

Yawn....