Burley will be sacked today

[Gemmel]

Strachan will be offered the Scotland manager's job next and I don't think he will set the world alight either. The international manager's job is a true test as you have to manage with the resources at your disposal and deal with club conflicts and early retirements to name but a few of the many issues. Strachan IMO isn't up to it.

 

Strachan is off to drive coast to coast around the United States and is not interested in the Scotland job.

[alpine_saint]

Like RL and Corbett LC Askham and LM etc Im tired of arguing about these old personalities.

The truth is he did not get Scotland to qualify, in his defence they showed real spirit and a will to win.They had their chances against a very good Dutch team and should have scored at least once.They went down fighting and they really do have a lack of talent to choose from.It will be interesting how the scottish media play this out.As for the claims of his nocturnal pursuits, well being a national manger and not 1 picture of him drunk in puublic just shows what a pathetic and sick bunch some people are by poiting that accusation at him.

GB did ok while he was here under some trying circumstances.he stayed a lot longer with us than some of our fans.

 

Yep, some 12million trying circumstances....

 

As for the accusation, trying having a word with a few city centre taxi drivers when you have the chance, as I did when I came home recently..

[alpine_saint]

Strachan is off to drive coast to coast around the United States and is not interested in the Scotland job.

 

Will they be performing "Do The Hucklebuck" live ?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Strachan is off to drive coast to coast around the United States and is not interested in the Scotland job.

 

Good decision to preserve the illusion. Coast to coast and around? Interesting journey.

[OldNick]

Yep, some 12million trying circumstances....

 

As for the accusation, trying having a word with a few city centre taxi drivers when you have the chance, as I did when I came home recently..

So taxi drivers are the people to take the word of 100% not 1 of them had a mobile phone with a camera, and not in this time where you can sell such things they were all so saintly they didnt take advantage of the situation.Right.

 

i have no doubt he liked a drink and would also get drunk, but all the stories have no basis apart from tittle tattle by people who wanted to harn his reputation.Shame on you and others for trying to hurt somebody just because you can't have your way.

[alpine_saint]

So taxi drivers are the people to take the word of 100% not 1 of them had a mobile phone with a camera, and not in this time where you can sell such things they were all so saintly they didnt take advantage of the situation.Right.

 

i have no doubt he liked a drink and would also get drunk, but all the stories have no basis apart from tittle tattle by people who wanted to harn his reputation.Shame on you and others for trying to hurt somebody just because you can't have your way.

 

So the entire basis of your dismissal of this is that no-one took a picture ?

 

Riiightyho......

 

If you dont like the discussion, go to another thread.

 

Some of us feel he had as big a role in wrecking this club as the usual suspects.

[paris]

Alps give 19c a ring he needs the company...

[OldNick]

So the entire basis of your dismissal of this is that no-one took a picture ?

 

Riiightyho......

 

If you dont like the discussion, go to another thread.

 

Some of us feel he had as big a role in wrecking this club as the usual suspects.

Well if you make accusations it is best you have better than the word of a taxi driver's 2nd hand story.The concept of a national manager being p##### everynight and staggering all over the cities of the UK and not 1 person has of yet has been able to get a camera photo does not seem plausible.Big Foot has been photoed more times FFS.

GB had a better points per game record than most other managers over a decent period of time. just because football judges like yourself dont think he did a good job doent mean he was a failure.You love wallowing in these things, your opinionwill not change and nor will mine.

In the circumstances he did ok, there were lots of factors being played out behind the scenes and it was at a time when the club was still in awful turmoil.The fans still thought we were god given right to be in the PL and it has taken near on 5 years for many to accept that it has to be earn't. The squad had been thinned out and money was spent, RL was deposed and Gb was allowed to overspend, whose fault was that?

I was thinking the other day about all the times in our first season down where we sang to the opposition 'you will never play here again' how right we were.Lol

[alpine_saint]

Well if you make accusations it is best you have better than the word of a taxi driver's 2nd hand story.The concept of a national manager being p##### everynight and staggering all over the cities of the UK and not 1 person has of yet has been able to get a camera photo does not seem plausible.Big Foot has been photoed more times FFS.

GB had a better points per game record than most other managers over a decent period of time. just because football judges like yourself dont think he did a good job doent mean he was a failure.You love wallowing in these things, your opinionwill not change and nor will mine.

In the circumstances he did ok, there were lots of factors being played out behind the scenes and it was at a time when the club was still in awful turmoil.The fans still thought we were god given right to be in the PL and it has taken near on 5 years for many to accept that it has to be earn't. The squad had been thinned out and money was spent, RL was deposed and Gb was allowed to overspend, whose fault was that?

I was thinking the other day about all the times in our first season down where we sang to the opposition 'you will never play here again' how right we were.Lol

 

Are you and SOGGY the same person ? Your posts are the same.

 

Anyhow, I suggest you read back. I have made no personal accusations against him.

[OldNick]

Anyhow, I suggest you read back. I have made no personal accusations against him.

'As for the accusation, trying having a word with a few city centre taxi drivers when you have the chance, as I did when I came home recently..' Your quote. That is insinuation at worst.

[alpine_saint]

'As for the accusation, trying having a word with a few city centre taxi drivers when you have the chance, as I did when I came home recently..' Your quote. That is insinuation at worst.

 

Ah, so you were WRONG when you wrote that I accused him then ? Glad we sorted that one out.

[OldNick]

Ah, so you were WRONG when you wrote that I accused him then ? Glad we sorted that one out.

You're not for real,.Your personality just can't accept being wrong. Insinuation is nastier than accusation, accusing somebody you are at least being honest in opinion, insinuation is cowardly

[Micky]

With a fully paid up contract

 

Apparently not - initial agreements (I'm led to believe) were that he would be paid 50% of the outstanding contract value should Scotland not qualify and he leaves the job. He was on 300K a year, has another year on his contract, and therefore stands to pocket 150k once somebody pulls the trigger. Nice work if you can get it.

[Hopkins]

Having lived in Lucia Foster Welch for the final year he was in charge, which that Piano Bar is behind, I can confirm I have seen Burley stumbling out of there a few times and once also demanding a Cheese Burger in a local kebab shop.

 

Hilarious it was.

 

I liked him as a manager though.

[OldNick]

Andy for a guy that spent £12m in just over a year (the most this club and maybe any CCC club has ever spent in that time?) Should we not have done a bit better then getting to the playoffs? You say he had the best win ratio etc but that was in the CCC with an extra 8 games a year. Everyone else was in the premiership so the fact they are close while being on paper in a stronger league just adds more weight to the "he was crap" argument.

 

Burley is one of the most overated managers to walk the earth, a guy who has manged to blag his way into various jobs, all of which he has left in the same manner. With the fans hating him.

Pearson came in and pretty much matched his season % without spending a penny. Pearson has now gone onto better things and is doing well. Where as Burley is sinking like a ship. My Scotish friends will tell you that nobody wanted him to take the job. They all thought he would go on to fook up the hard work the two managers before had done. And they have been proven right.

 

To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had.

St Marco im used to your sweeping statements and inaccuracies and so smile when I read them.Your first point of us playing in a lower league means nothing as TB and LM also have figures based on that .Add to that the quality of team we put out was better in higher leagues so you can only go by results.

Please tell me how NP's ratio is as good the season they were both at the club?

GB played 28 games 10 wins 5 draws 11 defeats

NP played 13 games 3 wins 7 draws 3 defeats (not including Plymouth home his first game as manager) I cant see that as being anywhere near comparable.

As for your assertion that fans from other clubs he has managed hate him is just nonsense. I know the Ipswich fans dont.

IMO he left us and had no care in doing so, much like Hoddle Bally LM Souness and so he is no better than them, as they all left us to go onto a perceived better job.

[alpine_saint]

You're not for real,.Your personality just can't accept being wrong. Insinuation is nastier than accusation, accusing somebody you are at least being honest in opinion, insinuation is cowardly

 

You crack me up. You lecture me about my ability to admit I am wrong, then within minutes are dismissing St. Marco's opinion too...

 

You seem to have a self-awareness problem...

[OldNick]

You crack me up. You lecture me about my ability to admit I am wrong, then within minutes are dismissing St. Marco's opinion too...

 

You seem to have a self-awareness problem...

Alps you know that each post has to be debated accordingly. You made an insinuation that I believe is unfair.

[St Marco]

St Marco im used to your sweeping statements and inaccuracies and so smile when I read them.Your first point of us playing in a lower league means nothing as TB and LM also have figures based on that .Add to that the quality of team we put out was better in higher leagues so you can only go by results.

Please tell me how NP's ratio is as good the season they were both at the club?

GB played 28 games 10 wins 5 draws 11 defeats

NP played 13 games 3 wins 7 draws 3 defeats (not including Plymouth home his first game as manager) I cant see that as being anywhere near comparable.

As for your assertion that fans from other clubs he has managed hate him is just nonsense. I know the Ipswich fans dont.

IMO he left us and had no care in doing so, much like Hoddle Bally LM Souness and so he is no better than them, as they all left us to go onto a perceived better job.

 

See and right there is why people think your deluded mate. Your asking how it can be comparable but you answerd it yourself.

Burley 28 games 10 wins 5 draws 11 defeats = 35 points = 1.25 points per game

Pearson 13 games 3 wins 7 draws 3 defeats = 16 points = 1.23 points per game.

A difference of 0.02. That is how they are comparable.

And again you mention about the squad etc...

Burley had the money to build one of the best squads this club had and he barely limped into the playoffs in a league that is far weaker then the premiership. You are actually trying to emply nick that The Championship is harder to win games in the the Premiership...Look at all the teams who dominate the CCC and when they go up how do they do? They most of the time struggle and come straight back down. Proving that premiership teams are harder to beat. The fact the other managers had to play harder games week after week make his feat laughable.

But going back to the squad thing just to rub it in a bit more you fail to mention that Pearson came in with 13 games left to go, had to lose 2 of the clubs 1st team players of which one was the top scorer and the other the leading assister for the previous season, was not allowed to buy anyone, had a severe injury crisis especially in defence and could not play either of the 2 new defence signings in Thomas and Davies. Burley had the luxuary to pick whoever he wanted to pick and spend 12m doing it.

 

So it is funny you say sweeping statement when im telling it like it actually is. Burley started the slide and if he remained we would of gone down. The 13 games before Pearson took over we got a whole 7 points. Games of which were under Burley,Dodd and Gorman. So Pearson came in and increased that by 125%. If he had not done that we would of been down.

 

And that is why people such as you who try and defend Burley from that season make me laugh because the stats show Pearson stopped the slide Burley started and did it with basically everything against him.

 

The ironic thing about it is people such as yourself try to bash those things or be-little them etc but look in contrast to how both have done since they have left us. Pearson has gone on to manager Leicester and be in charge for 51 games, of which he has lost only 5 and won 29. A win ratio of 56%.

Where as what has Burley done exactly?

 

To quote my Scotish work collegue "Has there ever been a manager who has had so many excuses for why he has failed"?

And that my friend is the reality. Everywhere he has gone he has at some point fooked it up and the excuses come flooding out. I have no doubt when he is fired and takes on another job it will be the same then too.

 

And another thing....to prove once and for all you have no clue. You talk about the players he had for Scotland. So how come those were the same players Smith and Mcleish had but when they beat teams like Italy and France it is considered overachiving but when he uses the same players and get's hammered by a very poor Norway side 4-0 it is expected?

Surely he should of at vert least matched the two previous managers results?

Which again just shows my work mate is right in that he has so many excuses as to why he does ****.

Edited 10 September, 2009 by St Marco

[OldNick]

See and right there is why people think your deluded mate. Your asking how it can be comparable but you answerd it yourself.

Burley 28 games 10 wins 5 draws 11 defeats = 35 points = 1.25 points per game

Pearson 13 games 3 wins 7 draws 3 defeats = 16 points = 1.23 points per game.

A difference of 0.02. That is how they are comparable.

And again you mention about the squad etc...

Burley had the money to build one of the best squads this club had and he barely limped into the playoffs in a league that is far weaker then the premiership. You are actually trying to emply nick that The Championship is harder to win games in the the Premiership...Look at all the teams who dominate the CCC and when they go up how do they do? They most of the time struggle and come straight back down. Proving that premiership teams are harder to beat. The fact the other managers had to play harder games week after week make his feat laughable.

But going back to the squad thing just to rub it in a bit more you fail to mention that Pearson came in with 13 games left to go, had to lose 2 of the clubs 1st team players of which one was the top scorer and the other the leading assister for the previous season, was not allowed to buy anyone, had a severe injury crisis especially in defence and could not play either of the 2 new defence signings in Thomas and Davies. Burley had the luxuary to pick whoever he wanted to pick and spend 12m doing it.

 

So it is funny you say sweeping statement when im telling it like it actually is. Burley started the slide and if he remained we would of gone down. The 13 games before Pearson took over we got a whole 7 points. Games of which were under Burley,Dodd and Gorman. So Pearson came in and increased that by 125%. If he had not done that we would of been down.

 

And that is why people such as you who try and defend Burley from that season make me laugh because the stats show Pearson stopped the slide Burley started and did it with basically everything against him.

 

The ironic thing about it is people such as yourself try to bash those things or be-little them etc but look in contrast to how both have done since they have left us. Pearson has gone on to manager Leicester and be in charge for 51 games, of which he has lost only 5 and won 29. A win ratio of 56%.

Where as what has Burley done exactly?

 

To quote my Scotish work collegue "Has there ever been a manager who has had so many excuses for why he has failed"?

And that my friend is the reality. Everywhere he has gone he has at some point fooked it up and the excuses come flooding out. I have no doubt when he is fired and takes on another job it will be the same then too.

 

And another thing....to prove once and for all you have no clue. You talk about the players he had for Scotland. So how come those were the same players Smith and Mcleish had but when they beat teams like Italy and France it is considered overachiving but when he uses the same players and get's hammered by a very poor Norway side 4-0 it is expected?

Surely he should of at vert least matched the two previous managers results?

Which again just shows my work mate is right in that he has so many excuses as to why he does ****.

You cant add the failure of the D&G period to back up your case. They were bad results seperately and have no basis on GBs or NP's performance. The fact is GB's ratio was better and I do agree it is by a small amount. The last 7 league results under GB were Hull h 4-0 Cov a 1-1 Prest h 0-1 Colch a 1-1 Barns a 2-2 Wat h 0-3 Scun H 1-0

Not relegation form. At the time of his departure we were looking to the play offs not relegation. You also have to throw into the equation the statement that in jan we would have to sell all our players (Hoos statement) that caused a lot of uncertainty.

GB has gone , he dropped us like many others. NP dide no wonders here but is at present doing very well as manger at Leicester.Not withstanding him being bankrolled by MM and a season in L1 with a squad that was very well equiped to do well with a couple of decent strikers. Still he has done well and IMO it is not about him anyway.

[slickmick]

Having lived in Lucia Foster Welch for the final year he was in charge, which that Piano Bar is behind, I can confirm I have seen Burley stumbling out of there a few times and once also demanding a Cheese Burger in a local kebab shop.

 

Hilarious it was.

 

I liked him as a manager though.

 

 

Hope you took a picture for nickh.

[OldNick]

Hope you took a picture for nickh.

Where have you been? i have missed you. I thought GB took you with him up to Jockland

[Thedelldays]

"apparently"...the reason why Rasiak was dropped when he was in red hot form a few years back was because he complained about burley and his drinking/turning up for training a bit worse for wear..apparently

[OldNick]

"apparently"...the reason why Rasiak was dropped when he was in red hot form a few years back was because he complained about burley and his drinking/turning up for training a bit worse for wear..apparently

I find that hard to believe DD. Rasiak also played fir him at Derby and so would have known about any problems before. Other managers were at the club who didnt play him either, are you saying it was for the same problem?

[Thedelldays]

I find that hard to believe DD. Rasiak also played fir him at Derby and so would have known about any problems before. Other managers were at the club who didnt play him either, are you saying it was for the same problem?

no..at that time burley was like baggage coming into work and some of the senior pros were not too happy and Rasiak come forward "apparently"

[OldNick]

no..at that time burley was like baggage coming into work and some of the senior pros were not too happy and Rasiak come forward "apparently"

Well that is news to me. I am not denying he liked a drink but the way it is portrayed is not as it was IMO.

We know how false rumours are spread, you only have to ook on here and you see how it grows.KK at SMS and it urned out to be Mervyn King Lol

[Thedelldays]

Well that is news to me. I am not denying he liked a drink but the way it is portrayed is not as it was IMO.

We know how false rumours are spread, you only have to ook on here and you see how it grows.KK at SMS and it urned out to be Mervyn King Lol

im not saying how I knew...I was ITK for a very small while..not now..far from it...also, he liked to give the middle aged female staff at SMS, be it, secretaries and stewards a bit of attention or try to...again "apparently"

[DT]

Whenever I hear Burley talk it sounds like he's permanently boozed up. Love the cheese burger story. Was he after some IrnBru too?

[OldNick]

Whenever I hear Burley talk it sounds like he's permanently boozed up. Love the cheese burger story. Was he after some IrnBru too?

I'll give you that he does sound pie eyed when he talks. He brought us KD so we should be forever grateful for that dont you think?

[DT]

Yes, great keeper.

*cuts lip with overbite*

[alpine_saint]

I'll give you that he does sound pie eyed when he talks. He brought us KD so we should be forever grateful for that dont you think?

 

Dear oh dear. A desperate change of tack if ever I read one...

[Lets B Avenue]

Well that is news to me. I am not denying he liked a drink but the way it is portrayed is not as it was IMO.

We know how false rumours are spread, you only have to ook on here and you see how it grows.KK at SMS and it urned out to be Mervyn King Lol

 

It may of been news to you, Nick. But it was well known round here at the time. I wasn't on this forum then so couldn't enlighten you.

 

I'm also aware of his after-hours visit to my local, after an escape from an incident at a niteclub, before the police showed. The then landlord, who is a friend of mine, has dined out onthe story since.

 

Sorry, no photos.

[Micky]

Dear oh dear. A desperate change of tack if ever I read one...

 

Not really - the only desperate change of tack that I can see are those that are so bereft of meaningful, cogent argument with reference to the orgininal debate, that have now resorted to the somewhat predictable 'character assasination' - all fully substantiated of course by crass inuendo and rumour.

 

Nice thread - glad to see that we have all managed to put the dark days behind us.

[DT]

It may of been news to you, Nick. But it was well known round here at the time. I wasn't on this forum then so couldn't enlighten you.

 

I'm also aware of his after-hours visit to my local, after an escape from an incident at a niteclub, before the police showed. The then landlord, who is a friend of mine, has dined out onthe story since.

 

Sorry, no photos.

Can't be true then. File under Battle of Hastings. No photos of that either.

[DT]

Not really - the only desperate change of tack that I can see are those that are so bereft of meaningful, cogent argument with reference to the orgininal debate, that have now resorted to the somewhat predictable 'character assasination' - all fully substantiated of course by crass inuendo and rumour.

 

Nice thread - glad to see that we have all managed to put the dark days behind us.

'Crass Inuendo' (sic) - good player.

[alpine_saint]

Can't be true then. File under Battle of Hastings. No photos of that either.

 

hehehehehehehe. Someone do a tapestry of Burley p*ssed - quick !!!

[OldNick]

It may of been news to you, Nick. But it was well known round here at the time. I wasn't on this forum then so couldn't enlighten you.

 

I'm also aware of his after-hours visit to my local, after an escape from an incident at a niteclub, before the police showed. The then landlord, who is a friend of mine, has dined out onthe story since.

 

Sorry, no photos.

A nightclub and pubs without camera phones, you are not from Pompey are you? Seems to be the same story that Duncan talks about on here.

[OldNick]

Can't be true then. File under Battle of Hastings. No photos of that either.

No but they had a bloody good try

[Lets B Avenue]

A nightclub and pubs without camera phones, you are not from Pompey are you? Seems to be the same story that Duncan talks about on here.

 

Probably stolen by Dyer and BWP. As for Dunc, same source.

[DT]

hehehehehehehe. Someone do a tapestry of Burley p*ssed - quick !!!

[OldNick]

Probably stolen by Dyer and BWP. As for Dunc, same source.

Lol

[dubai_phil]

Like RL and Corbett LC Askham and LM etc Im tired of arguing about these old personalities.

The truth is he did not get Scotland to qualify, in his defence they showed real spirit and a will to win.They had their chances against a very good Dutch team and should have scored at least once.They went down fighting and they really do have a lack of talent to choose from.It will be interesting how the scottish media play this out.As for the claims of his nocturnal pursuits, well being a national manger and not 1 picture of him drunk in puublic just shows what a pathetic and sick bunch some people are by poiting that accusation at him.

GB did ok while he was here under some trying circumstances.he stayed a lot longer with us than some of our fans.

 

 

You're quite right to question allegations and taxi driver comments, BUT.

 

I simply posted what I saw at what time in the lobby of the DeVere on day before the first team were due for training the next morning. In fact I was so surprised I deliberately checked the time on my watch.

 

However, like you say he was a part of the overall disease that has been our lot over the past years, whatever the reasons or motivations for his troubles with us all I know is that he had the keys to our heirloom spent it and failed.

 

IMHO he stayed too long and we were incredibly lucky we received compensation. As for the would we have been relegated argument probably not, but we were going broke with him in charge so would likely have been hit with minus 10 anyway. History is gone, look to the future

[dubai_phil]

A nightclub and pubs without camera phones, you are not from Pompey are you? Seems to be the same story that Duncan talks about on here.

 

 

Oh trust me....

 

He walked past, in fact he almost walked through us. I got my phone out my pocket but had the choice of running across the lobby to the elevator to tke a photo of the back of his head or showing small modicum of restraint.

 

Actually I had a c*p phone at the time with no flash and about a half mega pixel so didn't think it worth embarrassing myself:cool:

[S-Clarke]

If you look upon Burleys tenure overall, it’s a really hard one to judge – a bit of a mixed bag really.

 

When he first came here I don’t believe I saw any disapproving voices – he was a pretty good choice in the opinions of almost all fans.

 

We did fall towards the relegation zone when he first came here and we played some god awful performances (Ipswich at home stands out as one of the worst ever). – But we improved and we won 5 of the last 6 games and finished top half comfortably in the end.

 

The pre-season was all change, with ‘’let’s go wilde’’ and the crew coming in – should they have given GB as much money as they did? IMO no – it heaped pressure on everyone at the club because if we failed and didnt attract further investment (which was a hollow promise in the first place), the consequences could have been catastrophic (which unfortunately, we've found out)

 

He did spend alot of money on wages and transfer fees – and in all honesty, you’d have expected a better return in league position that year. What he did get us doing was scoring loads of goals, you knew that we’d score in every game we went into (we scored the 2nd most goals away from home than any team in England – so his coaching worked so well in that aspect).

 

We were probably unlucky not to get to the final based upon our performance v Derby, but you cannot help looking back now and thinking we should have done so much better with the outlay.

 

Sadly his second season was set to fail from word go, he wasn’t able to keep the team together and wasn’t able to really replace anyone with the same level of quality. He started to panic (£1.2m on Thomas summed it up – that was a travesty).

 

I think GB knew he couldn’t keep us going upwards with the current structure in the club, don’t forget we also lost Snodin who was a huge success here – it kind of cut GB’s right arm off, so I was not surprised to see him move on – but you cannot look back on his entire reign and say it was a complete failure, it was a mixed bag – some good, some bad , but ultimately destined to fail once we couldn’t attract any further investment.

[polegategavin]

See and right there is why people think your deluded mate. Your asking how it can be comparable but you answerd it yourself.

Burley 28 games 10 wins 5 draws 11 defeats = 35 points = 1.25 points per game

Pearson 13 games 3 wins 7 draws 3 defeats = 16 points = 1.23 points per game.

A difference of 0.02. That is how they are comparable.

And again you mention about the squad etc...

Burley had the money to build one of the best squads this club had and he barely limped into the playoffs in a league that is far weaker then the premiership. You are actually trying to emply nick that The Championship is harder to win games in the the Premiership...Look at all the teams who dominate the CCC and when they go up how do they do? They most of the time struggle and come straight back down. Proving that premiership teams are harder to beat. The fact the other managers had to play harder games week after week make his feat laughable.

But going back to the squad thing just to rub it in a bit more you fail to mention that Pearson came in with 13 games left to go, had to lose 2 of the clubs 1st team players of which one was the top scorer and the other the leading assister for the previous season, was not allowed to buy anyone, had a severe injury crisis especially in defence and could not play either of the 2 new defence signings in Thomas and Davies. Burley had the luxuary to pick whoever he wanted to pick and spend 12m doing it.

 

So it is funny you say sweeping statement when im telling it like it actually is. Burley started the slide and if he remained we would of gone down. The 13 games before Pearson took over we got a whole 7 points. Games of which were under Burley,Dodd and Gorman. So Pearson came in and increased that by 125%. If he had not done that we would of been down.

 

And that is why people such as you who try and defend Burley from that season make me laugh because the stats show Pearson stopped the slide Burley started and did it with basically everything against him.

 

The ironic thing about it is people such as yourself try to bash those things or be-little them etc but look in contrast to how both have done since they have left us. Pearson has gone on to manager Leicester and be in charge for 51 games, of which he has lost only 5 and won 29. A win ratio of 56%.

Where as what has Burley done exactly?

 

To quote my Scotish work collegue "Has there ever been a manager who has had so many excuses for why he has failed"?

And that my friend is the reality. Everywhere he has gone he has at some point fooked it up and the excuses come flooding out. I have no doubt when he is fired and takes on another job it will be the same then too.

 

And another thing....to prove once and for all you have no clue. You talk about the players he had for Scotland. So how come those were the same players Smith and Mcleish had but when they beat teams like Italy and France it is considered overachiving but when he uses the same players and get's hammered by a very poor Norway side 4-0 it is expected?

Surely he should of at vert least matched the two previous managers results?

Which again just shows my work mate is right in that he has so many excuses as to why he does ****.

 

Just to correct an error here - it should read 26 games and it would 1.35 points per game. It does make some difference to all the arguments here!

[AndyNorthernSaints]

no..at that time burley was like baggage coming into work and some of the senior pros were not too happy and Rasiak come forward "apparently"

 

Have you got any proof to back up your accusations?

[St Marco]

Just to correct an error here - it should read 26 games and it would 1.35 points per game. It does make some difference to all the arguments here!

 

Just to re-correct your error

It was 28 games with Plymouth being his last game on sat 19th jan.

3 games in Aug, 5 games in sept, 5 in oct, 5 in nov, 7 in dec and 3 in jan.

 

Which again means he had a 1.25 points ratio.

[RinNY]

Bloody hell, folk are still going on about Burley's perceived failings, personal & professional, while he was here?? Amazing!

 

A bit of perspective: Burley's ability to get and hold jobs is simply incompatible with the more extreme stories of perpetual drunkenness one sees. They cannot be true. He may have enjoyed having a few too many on occasion, but most of the time he was clearly sober and responsible, or his hiring record is inexplicable.

 

Our one successful season since the FA Cup final was under Burley, when we got to the CCC playoffs and came within a peculiar rule (away goals not counting double) and an unfortunate penalty shootout of going to the final for a promotion place. Dislike Burley, worship Pearson if you will, but that is plain fact.

 

As to Scotland, Burley has not been less successful than his three or four predecessors. The plain fact is that Scotland is going through a terrible talent drought the past 10 or 15 years. There are really only two truly good players in the present Scottosh team -- Duncan Fletcher and James McFadden -- and one of them was not available for the Holland match. And would anyone pick even Fletcher or McFadden, I won't say for the England team, but even as backups in the England squad?? I doubt it. As Scotland manager, Burley has produced results as good as the talent base could produce, perhaps actually slightly better. If and when Scotland start to produce players of the talent level of the likes of Bremner & Gray & Lorimer and so on, they can hope for better results; but with the collection of second and third rate players they have to make do with nowadays, not the best manager in the world could produce consistent success.

[RinNY]

Just to re-correct your error

It was 28 games with Plymouth being his last game on sat 19th jan.

3 games in Aug, 5 games in sept, 5 in oct, 5 in nov, 7 in dec and 3 in jan.

 

Which again means he had a 1.25 points ratio.

 

 

You list 10 wins, 5 draws, and 11 defeats, which comes to 26 games. If he was in charge for 28 games, as you claim, you need to add two more results. If they were both defeats, your points ratio stands; if not, that ratio will go up. Either way, your statistics as stated are in error.

[Thedelldays]

again..another reason why we have a crap mentality at the club...when fans think that just scraping the playoffs (where it was out of our hands at a point) and falling at the first hurdle is a success that season...such average expectations

[St Marco]

You list 10 wins, 5 draws, and 11 defeats, which comes to 26 games. If he was in charge for 28 games, as you claim, you need to add two more results. If they were both defeats, your points ratio stands; if not, that ratio will go up. Either way, your statistics as stated are in error.

 

If you actually bother to read the posts your see i wasent the one who posted that..... Go back and have a read and see if you can spot where those numbers came from

 

but it is right, 2 results were missing, so here they are

I have put the number next to them to indicate how many there are in sequence i.e say norwich would be our 2nd loss etc

august

Palace = loss 1

Norwich = loss 2

Stoke = win 1

 

September

qpr = win 2

watford = loss 3

colchester = draw 1

barnsley = loss 4

sheff utd = win 3

 

October

preston = loss 5

wba = win 4

cardiff = win 5

bristol city = loss 6

burnley = win 6

 

november

charlton = loss 7

wolves = draw 2

sheff weds = loss 8

blackpool = win 7

ipswich = loss 9

 

december

leicester = win 8

sheff weds = draw 3

hull = win 9

coventry = draw 4

preston = loss 10

colchester = draw 5

barnsley = draw 6

 

january

watford = loss 11

s****horpe = win 10

plymouth = draw 7

 

total

Wins = 10

losses = 11

draw = 7

= 37 points which = 1.32 points per game

SOOOo that makes the difference between Burley and Pearson 0.09. Which again is bugger all.

Burley had 28 games so if he had the final 18 games at that ratio meaning he had 46 games he would of had 60 points. And if Pearson had a whole season at his ratio he would of had 56 points. So the difference is 4 points for the whole season.

 

Of course you can use the stats to show whatever you want but if we take say the last 5 games for each we see Burley had 6 points and Pearson had 8 points. Again futher evidence to show Pearson was getting better and Burley was getting worse. But that is if you use just the last 5 games....