Right sider Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Still a tactical genius, especially with subs. In the Norway game they had a defender sent off on 38 mins. He took off an attacking midfielder from a 5 man midfield for a new CB, then at half time completely changed tactics and withdrew the DM for an AM. GENIUS!!!!!
Alright Dave Posted 7 September, 2009 Posted 7 September, 2009 The Scotland team had no clue what their tactics and gameplan was in the first half. It was so typical of a Burley side. No pressure on the ball, midfield miles away from the strikers etc.... He hasn't changed and without Mcfadden on wednesday i can't see how he is going to master a win of the Dutch.
sadoldgit Posted 7 September, 2009 Posted 7 September, 2009 Did all right in the 2nd half though didn't they? Scotland aren't blessed with much talent right now, but why not blamethe manger. They are all in it together, they are all to blame if they don't qualify. Still, what the hell does this have to do with Saints?
St Marco Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 And that will be that then. To be fair he only has himself to blame. I remember he decided to not play Kris Boyd. He said he did not pick him because he was not playing for Rangers (because he was injured at that time). Then what happened after that? Boyd went on to score 27 goals and be top scorer. The next person being on 16.....They only played 3 games this season and he has scored 3 already. That in my book shows the type of guy he is. Makes stupid decisions like that and obviously you will fail. As i said before, crap manager who is living off having one decent season over 10 years ago.
alpine_saint Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 And that will be that then. To be fair he only has himself to blame. I remember he decided to not play Kris Boyd. He said he did not pick him because he was not playing for Rangers (because he was injured at that time). Then what happened after that? Boyd went on to score 27 goals and be top scorer. The next person being on 16.....They only played 3 games this season and he has scored 3 already. That in my book shows the type of guy he is. Makes stupid decisions like that and obviously you will fail. As i said before, crap manager who is living off having one decent season over 10 years ago. Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow.
sadoldgit Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow. Enjoy this do you Alpine? What a sad individual you are.
hypochondriac Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Enjoy this do you Alpine? What a sad individual you are. TBF I enjoyed it. They should have qualified and if they had appointed someone else they probably would have.
pilsburydoughboy Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow. Maybe he will go out on a bender to drown his sorrows. It makes me smile still that Scotland paid us to take him off our hands.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 I take great pleasure out of Scotland and Whiskey George losing. Scotland are a constant source of Footballing amusement for me. Thankyou Sweaties once again.
Thedelldays Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 bye bye burley.....may you never darken the door of a decent club/team again i can guarantee that the scots will be saying very similar digs at him that we did..
CB Fry Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 TBF I enjoyed it. They should have qualified and if they had appointed someone else they probably would have. Not sure I'd go that far, but making the play offs was an easy par for them to reach, then it's just a straight knockout which they probably would have lost to France or Portugal or Russia. I actually think that International Tournament Qualifying for the other home nations is the single most difficult challenge in football. Norn Iron have absolutely worked their b* llocks off and will probably end up with nothing in third place. Ditto Scotland last time out. Ditto Wales under Hughes a while back. And Norn Iron under Sanchez last time for that matter. It's heartbreakingly hard. Thank god I'm English.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 bye bye burley.....may you never darken the door of a decent club/team again i can guarantee that the scots will be saying very similar digs at him that we did.. Bet you cracked one off after that result and time to change your underpants. A one nil loss to the 3rd ranked team in the world. You're obsession with Burley is very sad.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 I take great pleasure out of Scotland and Whiskey George losing. Scotland are a constant source of Footballing amusement for me. Thankyou Sweaties once again. Nobody could do a worse job eh?
CB Fry Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Bet you cracked one off after that result and time to change your underpants. A one nil loss to the 3rd ranked team in the world. You're obsession with Burley is very sad. Nobody could do a worse job eh? Who's obsessed with Burley? Still itching for an argument about how fantastic he was for us? Christ.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow. Please get over your obsession with Burley. It's pathetic and very sad.
Thedelldays Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Please get over your obsession with Burley. It's pathetic and very sad. i think you have made more posts about him on this thread...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Who's obsessed with Burley? Still itching for an argument about how fantastic he was for us? Christ. Best winning % of any recent manager and a play off place is alot better than the rubbish that followed.
CB Fry Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Please get over your obsession with Burley. It's pathetic and very sad. Please get over your obsession with Burley. It's pathetic and very sad.
CB Fry Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Best winning % of any recent manager and a play off place is alot better than the rubbish that followed. On a Championship winning budget blowing the rest of the division out of the water. Which he then couldn't build on the following season. On the terms of his employment he failed miserably. What Jan Poortvilet did subsequently doesn't make Burley a success. Stop going on about Burley. It's a bit weird.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 i think you have made more posts about him on this thread... As usual you are wrong but this post puts me 5-4 up on you.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 On a Championship winning budget blowing the rest of the division out of the water. Which he then couldn't build on the following season. On the terms of his employment he failed miserably. What Jan Poortvilet did subsequently doesn't make Burley a success. Stop going on about Burley. It's a bit weird.[/QUO I'm responding to posts on here from people who seem to think he was one of the worst Saints managers of all time which is not true. Many people stated that no one could worse etc and were proved ultimatley wrong.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Please get over your obsession with Burley. It's pathetic and very sad. If you have not got anything original to say such as facts to prove your arguement then shut up.
St Marco Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Andy for a guy that spent £12m in just over a year (the most this club and maybe any CCC club has ever spent in that time?) Should we not have done a bit better then getting to the playoffs? You say he had the best win ratio etc but that was in the CCC with an extra 8 games a year. Everyone else was in the premiership so the fact they are close while being on paper in a stronger league just adds more weight to the "he was crap" argument. Burley is one of the most overated managers to walk the earth, a guy who has manged to blag his way into various jobs, all of which he has left in the same manner. With the fans hating him. Pearson came in and pretty much matched his season % without spending a penny. Pearson has now gone onto better things and is doing well. Where as Burley is sinking like a ship. My Scotish friends will tell you that nobody wanted him to take the job. They all thought he would go on to fook up the hard work the two managers before had done. And they have been proven right. To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Andy for a guy that spent £12m in just over a year (the most this club and maybe any CCC club has ever spent in that time?) Should we not have done a bit better then getting to the playoffs? You say he had the best win ratio etc but that was in the CCC with an extra 8 games a year. Everyone else was in the premiership so the fact they are close while being on paper in a stronger league just adds more weight to the "he was crap" argument. Burley is one of the most overated managers to walk the earth, a guy who has manged to blag his way into various jobs, all of which he has left in the same manner. With the fans hating him. Pearson came in and pretty much matched his season % without spending a penny. Pearson has now gone onto better things and is doing well. Where as Burley is sinking like a ship. My Scotish friends will tell you that nobody wanted him to take the job. They all thought he would go on to fook up the hard work the two managers before had done. And they have been proven right. To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had. Look at the players at his disposal? McLeish and Smith both left for better paid jobs when they realised they had over achieved. Bit like Strachan with Saints. Past scots maanagers have had some great players and i'm old enough to remember them in the 70's when Scotland qualified for world cups while England failed to do so. i think even Fergie would struggle to get Scotland to a world cup at the moment. Ps. I know Ipswich/Derby/hearts fans and none of them hate him btw.
Micky Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Look at the players at his disposal? McLeish and Smith both left for better paid jobs when they realised they had over achieved. Bit like Strachan with Saints. Past scots maanagers have had some great players and i'm old enough to remember them in the 70's when Scotland qualified for world cups while England failed to do so. i think even Fergie would struggle to get Scotland to a world cup at the moment. Ps. I know Ipswich/Derby/hearts fans and none of them hate him btw. Totally agree with this. When GB took the Scotland job I said that he would fail, but only because Scotland do not produce enough quality for any manager to have a chance of success. It is indeed interesting that certain individuals have jumped ship - and I totally agree that this is because they were quick to realise that they managed to get the squad to over achieve and that it was all down hill from thereon in. As for Furgie - well, it speaks for itself that he has not interest whatsoever in managing his National side. Given the players that Scotland have, the wiley old fox can see straight away that he is on a 'hiding to nothing', and if he can't do it - then let's face it, who can?
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Totally agree with this. When GB took the Scotland job I said that he would fail, but only because Scotland do not produce enough quality for any manager to have a chance of success. It is indeed interesting that certain individuals have jumped ship - and I totally agree that this is because they were quick to realise that they managed to get the squad to over achieve and that it was all down hill from thereon in. As for Furgie - well, it speaks for itself that he has not interest whatsoever in managing his National side. Given the players that Scotland have, the wiley old fox can see straight away that he is on a 'hiding to nothing', and if he can't do it - then let's face it, who can? It also did not help with the Rangers trio of Boyd, McGregor and Ferguson acting like ****s and making themselves unavailable for selection with their behaviour.
Gorgiesaint Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 (edited) To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had. Not that I really want to defend Burley in his time as the Scotland manager but not a lot has gone his way during this qualifying campaign. Ignoring refereeing decisions (the penalty they should have had against Macedonia, arguable sending off in Norway & a disallowed goal tonight which should have stood) then you have to question why the SFA chose to play key away games in Macedonia & Norway before the start of the season when the Scottish players had not played a competitive match. You then can't legislate for Chris Boyd then throwing his toys out of his pram cos he didn't get on against Norway, or for McGregor & Ferguson acting like children following their late-night drinking session. The SFA could of, however, backed Burley - something which they have failed to do. The real irony tonight was that David Weir, for whom Burley got slaughtered by the press for not picking to play away at Norway when they lost 4-0 after getting one CB sent-off & the other injured, made the crucial mistake when Holland scored. Still that will be lost on the journalists.... That said he will be sacked - will the SFA be brave enough to ask Strachan if he wants the job before they cut George adrift, otherwise they could be left looking long & hard for a manager. Edit: The other great laugh up here was the other day when the head of the SFA, George Peat, blamed Chris Iwelhumo (sp) for them possibly missing out on qualification - because of a missed open goal against Norway. With friends like him, who needs enemies. Edited 9 September, 2009 by Gorgiesaint
Micky Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 Not sure I'd go that far, but making the play offs was an easy par for them to reach, then it's just a straight knockout which they probably would have lost to France or Portugal or Russia. I actually think that International Tournament Qualifying for the other home nations is the single most difficult challenge in football. Norn Iron have absolutely worked their b* llocks off and will probably end up with nothing in third place. Ditto Scotland last time out. Ditto Wales under Hughes a while back. And Norn Iron under Sanchez last time for that matter. It's heartbreakingly hard. Thank god I'm English. Good post. It's very easy for us English to sit and gloat at other home nations - and this was a very cheap dig at George Burley. The bottom line is managers of these teams have very little to work with in reality. GB was on hiding to nothing, the task was always going to be very difficult. Personally I would love to have all of the home nations qualifying - it makes for a much more interesting competition. We are seen as the big fish but the reality is we have much more and better resources. When NI beat England in the last WC qualifiers was absolutely great for the country - I'm not saying that I want it to happen all the time - but once in a while, lets face it, the 'little guy' must get some success.
Micky Posted 9 September, 2009 Posted 9 September, 2009 It also did not help with the Rangers trio of Boyd, McGregor and Ferguson acting like ****s and making themselves unavailable for selection with their behaviour. Exactly, although there could be some amount of critisism levelled at GB for that as well. Would appear to have been a disciplinary / respect issue there- and perhaps George did not have the dressing room togeather at the time. Was very impressed with Walter Smiths take on it though - very professional and very brave - took no shyte and laid down the law. But as you said - it did absolutely nothing to help Scotlands cause.
DT Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 He'll be in Tesco in Bursledon before you know it.
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Andy for a guy that spent £12m in just over a year (the most this club and maybe any CCC club has ever spent in that time?) Should we not have done a bit better then getting to the playoffs? You say he had the best win ratio etc but that was in the CCC with an extra 8 games a year. Everyone else was in the premiership so the fact they are close while being on paper in a stronger league just adds more weight to the "he was crap" argument. Burley is one of the most overated managers to walk the earth, a guy who has manged to blag his way into various jobs, all of which he has left in the same manner. With the fans hating him. Pearson came in and pretty much matched his season % without spending a penny. Pearson has now gone onto better things and is doing well. Where as Burley is sinking like a ship. My Scotish friends will tell you that nobody wanted him to take the job. They all thought he would go on to fook up the hard work the two managers before had done. And they have been proven right. To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had. Great post. Thanks for laying out the facts.
chocco boxo Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 In St George we trusted. He was very poor for us.
John B Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 In St George we trusted. He was very poor for us. Like some of the other managers we have had over the last few years I hope Pardew is not added to that list.
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 I don't really want to have a pop at Burley but he came in and said his objective was to qualify for the World-Cup - already targeting the miminum achievement possible. Last night he came out with the usual - 'we're improving' nonsense. For those who think it is hard for Scotland, it may be true, but let us not forget, Denmark and Greece have both WON Euro Championships. Scottish players play in Europe and the Premiership and while a defeat to Holland is no disgrace, Norway and Macedonia are not exactly hotbeds of football are they? Yes, Scotland would probably have been beaten in the play-offs by a Portgual, but this is the Scotland who have been at and challenged at the World Cup in years past: 1974, 78, 82, 86, 90 and 98 Don't think Burley was trying to achieve the unachievable. Far from it. They are without players who showed no disciplinary respect for their manager.
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 They are without players who showed no disciplinary respect for their manager. And that is the nub of the matter for me. As with Saints under Burley, it is hard for a team to show the work and discipline ethic needed to succeed if it is so lacking in the team manager. And that is before even considering fitness, man-management and dodgy tactics.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Andy for a guy that spent £12m in just over a year (the most this club and maybe any CCC club has ever spent in that time?) Should we not have done a bit better then getting to the playoffs? You say he had the best win ratio etc but that was in the CCC with an extra 8 games a year. Everyone else was in the premiership so the fact they are close while being on paper in a stronger league just adds more weight to the "he was crap" argument. Burley is one of the most overated managers to walk the earth, a guy who has manged to blag his way into various jobs, all of which he has left in the same manner. With the fans hating him. Pearson came in and pretty much matched his season % without spending a penny. Pearson has now gone onto better things and is doing well. Where as Burley is sinking like a ship. My Scotish friends will tell you that nobody wanted him to take the job. They all thought he would go on to fook up the hard work the two managers before had done. And they have been proven right. To put this into some sort of facts. He is now the 2nd worst Scotish national manager of all time (not including caretaker managers). To find someone who has done worse you have to go back to Dawson Walker in the early fifties....Scotland had a golden chance to qualify in this group with only Holland to worry about. They almost did it last time while having teams like France and Italy in their groups....To put it in some more perspective Vogts has a better record then he had. Absolutely, people go on about the stats but just sometimes stats lie. The truth is he left us in a lower position thean when he took over, we were in a terminal decline and had less interest in the job (once the money dried up) than Redknapp before he decamped. He set an awful example to the players with his "nocturnal habits", he never considered moving into the area - prooving his lack of enthusiasm or dedication and he was the worst communicator we ever had. Even the man who appointed him, Lowe, said just before he returned that Burley "needed managing" and that "it hadn't been done". Pound for pound - one of our worse ever managers I would say.
saintwarwick Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 At the very beginning, I was pleased with his appointment. Then I saw the tactically clueless, unfit, illogically selected, disinterested underachieving shower of sh*te he put out for matches... You saw this from behind your keyboard? You hardly ever attended st. marys always using othe peoples views to voice your opinion :confused:
saintwarwick Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow. With a fully paid up contract
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 You saw this from behind your keyboard? You hardly ever attended st. marys always using othe peoples views to voice your opinion :confused: Yawn..........
saintwarwick Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Who's obsessed with Burley? Still itching for an argument about how fantastic he was for us? Christ. Well there are a few on here going by the responses. Why a thread was started about him on the main board in the first place is beyond me, he is history so people should get over it.
saintwarwick Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Yawn.......... Typical response to facts.
alpine_saint Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Typical response to facts. Yawn.....
paris Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Poss need to get some profesional help re your dislike for Mr Burley... Yep. And after tonight, he's going to be unemployed tomorrow.
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Where is Burley's self respect? On appointment, he said his aim was to qualify. He won 3 matches. Out of 12. I would have no hesitation to hand in my badge.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Well there are a few on here going by the responses. Why a thread was started about him on the main board in the first place is beyond me, he is history so people should get over it. With respect though - he may be history but this is a forum where people debate things historical. Last Saturday's match is history but people still like to talk about it. Nothing will change the result but that's what this forum is about - surely?
Nineteen Canteen Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Absolutely, people go on about the stats but just sometimes stats lie. The truth is he left us in a lower position thean when he took over, we were in a terminal decline and had less interest in the job (once the money dried up) than Redknapp before he decamped. He set an awful example to the players with his "nocturnal habits", he never considered moving into the area - prooving his lack of enthusiasm or dedication and he was the worst communicator we ever had. Even the man who appointed him, Lowe, said just before he returned that Burley "needed managing" and that "it hadn't been done". Pound for pound - one of our worse ever managers I would say. Agreed and a manager who steadfastly refused to evolve his management tactics and style based on experience. I remember a classic interview on Solent he gave after an abject display by Saints made worse by the usual bizarre team selections and substitutions and when quizzed about this he clearly got ruffled and replied with the classic quote (paraphrased) 'I have been a successful manager for 16 years and I see no point in changing my methods now' Strachan will be offered the Scotland manager's job next and I don't think he will set the world alight either. The international manager's job is a true test as you have to manage with the resources at your disposal and deal with club conflicts and early retirements to name but a few of the many issues. Strachan IMO isn't up to it.
OldNick Posted 10 September, 2009 Posted 10 September, 2009 Like RL and Corbett LC Askham and LM etc Im tired of arguing about these old personalities. The truth is he did not get Scotland to qualify, in his defence they showed real spirit and a will to win.They had their chances against a very good Dutch team and should have scored at least once.They went down fighting and they really do have a lack of talent to choose from.It will be interesting how the scottish media play this out.As for the claims of his nocturnal pursuits, well being a national manger and not 1 picture of him drunk in puublic just shows what a pathetic and sick bunch some people are by poiting that accusation at him. GB did ok while he was here under some trying circumstances.he stayed a lot longer with us than some of our fans.
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