MLT betting on saints game

[offix]

........if it has "tainted" your memories i'd have to ask where these memories were formed exactly?

 

Not tainted m memories of his heroic performances and magical skills at all.

It just made me re-adjust my estimation of his character.

[hypochondriac]

This is so dull now.

[scotty]

I'm sure this has already been covered in this thread, but personally Ive never forgiven that slippery f*cker grobbelaar for slinging the spurs cup game. C*nt. MLT even mentions him in taking le tiss, but he kind of glosses over that game? Cant work that one out. :confused:

[Wes Tender]

Hypocrite. How can you say you hold someone's moral code to be more important that their ability in this case, and then defend Lowe in other arguments. Lowe has/had no morals whatsoever, as demonstrated time after time, yet you put him on a pedestal and laud all he ever did with no scruples at all. This is why no-one really can take you seriously.

 

You make a decent enough point, Vectis. Nobody expects Lowe to have any moral scruples, nor any of his cronies from the former old board before the reverse takeover. They proved themselves to be morally and ethically bankrupt by the way that they behaved then and since.

 

Matt Le Tissier on the other hand had thus far a totally untarnished reputation and was held in high regard by most for his loyalty and his self-effacing modesty, as well as his brilliance as a footballer.

 

I suppose that on that basis much more surprise and disappointment would attach to MLT's transgression, whereas if Lowe had pulled a similar stunt, nobody on here would be that surprised, apart from one or two who believe that the sun shines from his posterior sphincter.

 

Lowe did not have far to fall in most peoples' eyes as for them, as he was never on a pedestal , but more like at gutter level.

[Dan Johnson]

So you are going to ignore all those years of loyalty, almost single handedly keeping us in the top division where the club enjoyed more revenue based on this admission?

You also ignore the point that he only did this once - so you are calling him a liar?

 

Yes it was stupid and I am not condoning it for one minute but lets keep this in perspective.

 

Can you tell me what personal gain he had in playing for a struggling side when he had offers from far richer clubs?

 

Ron,

 

I was trying to keep it as balanced as possible to keep it in perspective, I wasnt calling him a liar, but at the moment can we be fully confident this was an isolated incident?

 

 

I totally understand your point about personal gain, and that he could earn more going to a big club rather than making small money at a small club and subsidising with bets

 

The point i was trying to make was, as a leader and a hero of mine I always envisaged all the blood, sweat and tears he put into his game was because he loved Saints as much, if not more, than i did. Why I'm not questioning his undoubted loyalilty.. or indeed his love, and while this may sound contradicting, it does sadden me that he may of put that effort into the team not because of the reason I hoped, but because he was worried of losing 10k (for example)

 

I know this 1 incident cant take away everything he gave us, but this investigation could open the flood gates.

 

Of course, if it does turn out to be an isolated incident, it will eventually all be forgotten... however, at the moment, I do feel IMHO that its tainted him some what

 

Dan

[scotty]

Ron,

 

I was trying to keep it as balanced as possible to keep it in perspective, I wasnt calling him a liar, but at the moment can we be fully confident this was an isolated incident?

 

 

I totally understand your point about personal gain, and that he could earn more going to a big club rather than making small money at a small club and subsidising with bets

 

The point i was trying to make was, as a leader and a hero of mine I always envisaged all the blood, sweat and tears he put into his game was because he loved Saints as much, if not more, than i did. Why I'm not questioning his undoubted loyalilty.. or indeed his love, and while this may sound contradicting, it does sadden me that he may of put that effort into the team not because of the reason I hoped, but because he was worried of losing 10k (for example)

 

I know this 1 incident cant take away everything he gave us, but this investigation could open the flood gates.

 

Of course, if it does turn out to be an isolated incident, it will eventually all be forgotten... however, at the moment, I do feel IMHO that its tainted him some what

 

Dan

 

is this still about le god trying to hoof a pass over shipperleys head for a throw-in 10 minutes into a relatively unimportant match? If so, I fail to see a reason for this drama.

[benjii]

haven't we known that this has always been going on? I am not sure why it is such a great surprise. You watch a lot of games (maybe not from now) and see how often the ball gets kicked out to the wing and straight out for a throw. Been going on for decades, but its just no one has been quite so stupid to write about it.

 

Well, indeed.

[View From The Top]

is this still about le god trying to hoof a pass over shipperleys head for a throw-in 10 minutes into a relatively unimportant match? If so, I fail to see a reason for this drama.

 

Apparently, to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.

[scotty]

Apparently, to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.

 

married, in other words;)

[benjii]

Apparently, to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.

 

and the police!

[View From The Top]

and the police!

 

Nowt will happen. Police will take no action what so ever.

[eurosaint]

]Apparently' date=' to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.[/b']

 

Agreed, I just wish they would turn their attentions back to the thieving politicians who are (supposedly) running the bl**dy country !

If the old bill decide to waste taxpayers money on scrutinising an incident 14 years ago which was confessed, admitted to and apologised for then I, for one, will be exceedingly

p!ssed off !

Instead they should try and catch the b@stard who nicked my Mountfield mower from the garden shed last month for a start, grrrr.....

[Legod Third Coming]

Agreed, I just wish they would turn their attentions back to the thieving politicians who are (supposedly) running the bl**dy country !

If the old bill decide to waste taxpayers money on scrutinising an incident 14 years ago which was confessed, admitted to and apologised for then I, for one, will be exceedingly

p!ssed off !

Instead they should try and catch the b@stard who nicked my Mountfield mower from the garden shed last month for a start, grrrr.....

 

You should see those stripes in Matt's lawn though...

[SoccerMom]

Apparently, to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.

 

Umm, I think you're a little confused there.

[dune]

This is so dull now.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Any Saints fan who even dreams of having a bad word to say about Matt is a traitor and should be ashamed of themselves.

[John B]

I couldn't agree more.

 

Any Saints fan who even dreams of having a bad word to say about Matt is a traitor and should be ashamed of themselves.

 

If MLT broke any rules he should accept punishment like anybody else

[trousers]

You should see those stripes in Matt's lawn though...

 

Nay. Can't be our Matt who stole it. He'd only ever use a lawnmower you can sit on...perfect alibi :-)

[Whitey Grandad]

If MLT broke any rules he should accept punishment like anybody else

How can anybody possibly prove anything? So he says that he overhit a pass which Shipperley managed to get his head to. What are you going to charge him with? Intent to commit a fraud? - you can't prove what he was thinking at the time. Bringing the game into disrepute? - give him a 10-match ban? Move along please, nothing much happening here.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

...

[John B]

How can anybody possibly prove anything? So he says that he overhit a pass which Shipperley managed to get his head to. What are you going to charge him with? Intent to commit a fraud? - you can't prove what he was thinking at the time. Bringing the game into disrepute? - give him a 10-match ban? Move along please, nothing much happening here.

 

I know but if something is proved he will have to take what ever is coming to him

[Fitzhugh Fella]

on the pitch - absolute incomparable genius

off the pitch - a bit of a naive lad.

[up and away]

on the pitch - absolute incomparable genius

off the pitch - a bit of a naive lad.

 

Stupid yes, but none of the idiotic things he has done so far has really dented his legend status for me. I suppose as fans we expected the legend to extend into other areas we know that is not so gifted, such is the way of football. Le Tissier was the last of a dying breed, something I doubt we will ever see again at any club, but he was here at Saints. I still bought two of his books, just to keep a signed copy pristine.

[VectisSaint]

You make a decent enough point, Vectis. Nobody expects Lowe to have any moral scruples, nor any of his cronies from the former old board before the reverse takeover. They proved themselves to be morally and ethically bankrupt by the way that they behaved then and since.

 

Matt Le Tissier on the other hand had thus far a totally untarnished reputation and was held in high regard by most for his loyalty and his self-effacing modesty, as well as his brilliance as a footballer.

Agreed. The only point I was really trying to make was that 19C is a total hypocrite in his lambasting of MLT on moral grounds, when compared to his undying support of other people who have no morals whatsoever.

 

In fact, not being a "fan" of MLT myself (I am too old to think of players in this way any more, Channon was my hero, I am from a previous generation) I never regarded him in a partiularly high moral way at all. His personal life has some shady areas (marriages etc), his previous business dealings were none too glorious, and I always consider that even as a player he could have done so much more simply by trying to keep reasonably fit. That still does not detract from my view that he is one of our best ever players, and my acknowledgement that to a huge number of (younger) supporters he is revered as a demiGod (or even Le God). Like many other (most?) players of his era, as well as previous eras, and those that have come along since, Tiss has done some silly things. It goes with the territory of being a well paid sports star with lots of free time on hi hands. I always admired George Best, and really didn't give a damn about his off-field antics, but I always felt a little sad that like so many other geniuses his genius was somewhat tainted and we could have seen more than we did of his great skills. Mick C was no angel (thank goodness), that was part of his charm and what made him a great character.

 

So, for me MLT is a bt of a fool for letting this slip, but I don't think much les of him for what he did, and at least he has been honest about it, even if the intelligent thing may have been to have kept stum. But what I can't stand is a hypocrite like 19C passing judgement of any sort on morals.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

and the police!

 

Have n't plob got better things to be doing with their time and our money??? I would n't mind if he had n't drawn his own line under it in the book... he tried it, it did n't come off, he did n't do it again.

Look at the thousands they have wasted trying to get to the bottom of Redknapp & Allidice et al. What has happened apart from the fact that they had to apologise to twitcher and his mrs for getting them up early. I suggest they spend their time a bit more wisely and investigate how an innocent man wandering home from a days work, gets coshed by an other zealous pumped upcopper and dies of a heart attack on the pavement.

[trousers]

Police now involved!!!

 

 

Hasn't Sting got more important things on his plate, like saving rain forests and stuff?

[Rattlehead]

I don't give a sh*t about this, his heart was always in the right place. So what if he tried to make a bit of cash once from of a trivial matter that in all probability would have zero negative effect on Saints. In fact, given it was seemingly rampant at the time anyway, I admire his honesty on this.

 

The man will always be a legend to me.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Did't see your post. It does highlight one of the down sides of the way policing is organised in this country with local, county based police forces with local interests. There is of course no evidence that the police officer in charge is a Skate, but the possibility is always there. Issues such as this ought to be investigated by a neutral force.

 

Laughable comment and if it went to court do you think a judge would not notice a case of vindictive police harrassment or the defence lawyers destroy the crown'e defence because the arresting officer was a Portsmouth fan and over eager to stitch MLT up. I just hope you are not being serious - a neutral force!!!!!!! Justice doesn't have a colour.

[um pahars]

But what I can't stand is a hypocrite like 19C passing judgement of any sort on morals.

 

You've got a self confessed lunatic with a number of bans under previous user names who has PM'd a number of posters on here boasting about his bans and antics, so I would suggest you either ignore the dinlo or wind the dinny up:D.

 

A couple of "faux" posts attempting to rescue his reputation, followed by the usual trolling. You'd have to be as dumb as Ponty to fall for it;)

 

Justin Fashanu and ITN me up.

 

Boooooooooooooooooo

[Lets B Avenue]

Laughable comment and if it went to court do you think a judge would not notice a case of vindictive police harrassment or the defence lawyers destroy the crown'e defence because the arresting officer was a Portsmouth fan and over eager to stitch MLT up. I just hope you are not being serious - a neutral force!!!!!!! Justice doesn't have a colour.

 

Just hope one of your personas isn't a JP.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You've got a self confessed lunatic with a number of bans under previous user names who has PM'd a number of posters on here boasting about his bans and antics, so I would suggest you either ignore the dinlo or wind the dinny up:D.

 

A couple of "faux" posts attempting to rescue his reputation, followed by the usual trolling. You'd have to be as dumb as Ponty to fall for it;)

 

Justin Fashanu and ITN me up.

 

Boooooooooooooooooo

 

Self-confessed lunatic? Mr Godwin can you please advise me where I have ever confessed to being a 'lunatic'. What would you call people suffering from other medical conditons or perhaps a disabled person?

 

You really need to reign in the personal insults because you are doing far more damage to your tenuous reputation than mine. Considering the amount of insults I get I don't often report them but when you post lies and vile abuse suggesting that someone who has suffered from one of a vast array of mental type illnesses equates to a lunatic then you are far sicker and grossly ill-informed than most.

Edited 11 September, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen

[Tamesaint]

You really need to reign in the personal insults .

 

This must qualify as one of the most hypocritical statements from perhaps the biggest hypocrite on this board.

 

Last week I was a pathetic little individual according to you. This week I am a passenger. What will I be next week Mr Hypocrite??

 

You either have a serious problem remembering what you write or you are the world's biggest hypocrite. Which is it ??

Edited 12 September, 2009 by Tamesaint

[um pahars]

This must qualify as one of the most hypoctritical statements from perhaps the biggest hypocrite on this board.

 

Last week I was a pathetic little individual according to you. This week I am a passenge. What will I be next week Mr Hypocrite??

 

You either have a serious problem remembering what you write or you are the world's biggest hypocrite. Which is it ??

 

LMFAO.

 

Even though the idiot graces my ignore list there's still something amusing about seeing his noddy posts being quoted on an ad hoc basis.

 

I love the irony of him whingeing about this when under his current name and the myriad of his other user names he was top of the pile (then again he could have kept getting banned for just being misunderstood;)).

 

What a sad existence if you get your rocks off trolling the ether of an interweb forum.

 

Slightly unhinged I'd say;)

 

Cue a number of "sane" posts in order to try and create a reasonable persona

[VectisSaint]

Laughable comment and if it went to court do you think a judge would not notice a case of vindictive police harrassment or the defence lawyers destroy the crown'e defence because the arresting officer was a Portsmouth fan and over eager to stitch MLT up. I just hope you are not being serious - a neutral force!!!!!!! Justice doesn't have a colour.

You are either naive or stupid. I would guess both.

[VectisSaint]

You've got a self confessed lunatic with a number of bans under previous user names who has PM'd a number of posters on here boasting about his bans and antics, so I would suggest you either ignore the dinlo or wind the dinny up:D.

 

A couple of "faux" posts attempting to rescue his reputation, followed by the usual trolling. You'd have to be as dumb as Ponty to fall for it;)

 

Justin Fashanu and ITN me up.

 

Boooooooooooooooooo

I know he is a troll, but even so he should not be allowed to post some of the trash that he does unchallenged. Why doesn't he(?) get banned again, we really could do without his involvement on this Board. I seriously think that unless the troll police do what they need to do that I will stop contributing to the board in future.

[saint lard]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1212833/Southampton-legend-Matt-Le-Tissier-set-escape-FA-charge-scam-blunder.html

[SaintRichmond]

Hmmmm, I presume that he took legal advice prior to publicly admitting this as I wonder if the F.A./F.L. could gain some mileage from it.

 

I think we may live to regret MLT's admission, especially if the advice he took was from the same source as the supposed advice Lowe took re the - 10 points ......... I reckon Mawhinney is already champing at the bit

Edited 12 September, 2009 by SaintRichmond

[Alain Perrin]

Apparently, to some very, very anal people, it's a very big issue. You know the sort. Missionary only and with the light off.

 

I'm not sure you'd say the same thing if you'd bought time of the first throw in on this, or other occasions that this might have happened.

 

Loyalty to Matt Le Tis aside, what he did was wrong, cheating and illegal. That's not anal, it's a fact. Is it as bad as murder (or worth all the threads on here)? No - but it doesn't make it any more right.

 

I don't agree that MLT should get a 'pass' because he was loyal to Southampton (I'd argue that the loyalty was more driven by laziness / contentedness then genuine, bleed for your cause loyalty, but that's a separate issue), equally I doubt very much anything will come of it other than a few more book sales.

[Legod Third Coming]

I'm not sure you'd say the same thing if you'd bought time of the first throw in on this, or other occasions that this might have happened.

 

Loyalty to Matt Le Tis aside, what he did was wrong, cheating and illegal. That's not anal, it's a fact. Is it as bad as murder (or worth all the threads on here)? No - but it doesn't make it any more right.

 

I don't agree that MLT should get a 'pass' because he was loyal to Southampton (I'd argue that the loyalty was more driven by laziness / contentedness then genuine, bleed for your cause loyalty, but that's a separate issue), equally I doubt very much anything will come of it other than a few more book sales.

 

 

To be fair, in any betting 'caveat emptor'.

 

If you bought the time of the first throw-in, knowing that footballers are normally:

 

a) not very bright

b) easily led

c) compulsive gamblers

 

Then you would be nuts!!!

[Verbal]

I'm not sure you'd say the same thing if you'd bought time of the first throw in on this, or other occasions that this might have happened.

 

Loyalty to Matt Le Tis aside, what he did was wrong, cheating and illegal. That's not anal, it's a fact. Is it as bad as murder (or worth all the threads on here)? No - but it doesn't make it any more right.

 

I don't agree that MLT should get a 'pass' because he was loyal to Southampton (I'd argue that the loyalty was more driven by laziness / contentedness then genuine, bleed for your cause loyalty, but that's a separate issue), equally I doubt very much anything will come of it other than a few more book sales.

 

I see the moral philosophers are still out in force.

 

After the initial day or so of tut-tutting, I'd have thought this would have died the death. But nearly two weeks later, here we still all are.

 

And still, it seems, finding ways to paint MLT as corrupt, cynical and lazy to the bone.

[SaintRichmond]

I see the moral philosophers are still out in force.

 

After the initial day or so of tut-tutting, I'd have thought this would have died the death. But nearly two weeks later, here we still all are.

 

And still, it seems, finding ways to paint MLT as corrupt, cynical and lazy to the bone.

 

 

OK ... YOU tell the Police and the FA to "let it drop".....

 

 

 

.... then let us know what THEY say

 

 

 

Don't forget, it is MLT who has taken the cork from the bottle

[dubai_phil]

Missed most of this travelling.

 

My thoughts

 

Matty - you pratt.

 

All those taking the moral high ground - yeah right, bet none of them have ever tried to fiddle an expense claim, let him who is without sin cast the first stone etc.

 

meanwhile, taking out the morality side for a moment, Gambling in the UK on stuff like this is miniscule in the big picture.

 

When you visit somewhere like Macau and see the thousands of chinese gambling on anything and everything, when you see the Indians, gambling on which ball of an over gets hit for four, you understand that although at the time it was stupid, this act was just an early step in a process that today has millions of dollars being wagered on exactly this type of thing around the world.

 

The idea of players having to place an actual bet to get a return these days has been clearly disporved by Lord Congdon, but the fact is that today in the PL a player could be expected to earn huge sums for the same thing. It isn't gambling - they don't place any bets, it isn't match fixing, it is simply a major global disease that affects all of sport.

 

Cricket got it's act together they are paranoid about Indian bookmakers.

 

What has football done?

 

Matty was a pratt, but what MAY comoe out of this mess is a new look at the bigger problem that exists theses days.

 

Let's face it. We ALL know that the modern player is a total mercenary interested in only their next big contract, IMHO it is the small link into a bigger problem that cricket has cleaned up, but Football seems to think is solved simply by rules on gambling.

 

Matty isn't Hanse Cronje, but somebody will be one day

[Verbal]

OK ... YOU tell the Police and the FA to "let it drop".....

 

 

 

.... then let us know what THEY say

 

 

 

Don't forget, it is MLT who has taken the cork from the bottle

 

With my Derren Brown hat on, they said they're going to make some funny noises and then somehow forget all about it. (Written in the future-past tense.)

 

Bet?

 

Here's the beginning of that story.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/sep/11/matt-le-tissier-betting-scam

 

You won't hear about the end.

[Saint dyer]

does anyone know why he isnt on soccer saturday today? ...this have anything to do with it?

[Weston Saint]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4625896.New_twist_to_tale_of_the_Le_Tissier_betting_scam/

 

But last night it transpired that the Premiership match in question against Wimbledon in 1995 was not screened live on TV – meaning that the betting system would not have been available to gamblers.

[John Smith]

Self-confessed lunatic? Mr Godwin can you please advise me where I have ever confessed to being a 'lunatic'. What would you call people suffering from other medical conditons or perhaps a disabled person?

 

You really need to reign in the personal insults because you are doing far more damage to your tenuous reputation than mine. Considering the amount of insults I get I don't often report them but when you post lies and vile abuse suggesting that someone who has suffered from one of a vast array of mental type illnesses equates to a lunatic then you are far sicker and grossly ill-informed than most.

 

I just think it's time for you to hang up your internet boots, at this level of debate anyway (MLT not lunatic). You were originally a decent chap and argued your case well (many incarnations ago), but nowadays, nothing you say is taken seriously and if someone does enter into debate with you, they soon put you on ignore because your trolling is so obvious.

 

I think it stems from those early incarnations, where, you were probably banned unfairly. And by that, I mean, that you became a target and defended yourself from many angles. But you chose to be ruder and harsher than your adversaries and you got banned for going OTT.

 

Since then, you have tried to reincarnate as a note worthy poster, but those old attackers soon get your back up and you go, first on the defensive, and then on the offensive, eventually putting yourself in the banning firing line again.

 

Maybe you enjoy being hated and ridiculed by most on this board, but I don;t think that was your original idea. I think you really wanted to talk about saints stuff, found that some of your views were not in the majority, and have declined ever since.

 

19C, do yourself a favour and just let it go. Learn from your mistakes and become the better person. If that means walking away from this site, then so be it, but if it means reincarnating yourself one more time, but this time as the first persona you came here with, it would do you the world of good.

 

Good Luck

[saint_boysie]

does anyone know why he isnt on soccer saturday today? ...this have anything to do with it?

 

thats what I thought, get bloody cottee off my tv, I want the god back!!!

[trousers]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4625896.New_twist_to_tale_of_the_Le_Tissier_betting_scam/

 

But last night it transpired that the Premiership match in question against Wimbledon in 1995 was not screened live on TV – meaning that the betting system would not have been available to gamblers.

 

So, my hunch last week that Matt (or his publishers) "embellished" the story to get publicity for the book wasn't wide of the mark then?

[trousers]

does anyone know why he isnt on soccer saturday today? ...this have anything to do with it?

 

Listen closely.....in the background you can hear the sound of a TV producer's knee jerking....

[Weston Saint]

So, my hunch last week that Matt (or his publishers) "embellished" the story to get publicity for the book wasn't wide of the mark then?

Would appear you might have been spot on.

 

Sporting Index said that in the early days of the Premier League you could only bet if their was a live game on TV. Spread Betting was it its infancy and live TV was the only way of keeping track of what was going on.

 

Sky also confirmed that the game, played on Easter Monday, was never shown live by them.

[dune]

Self-confessed lunatic? Mr Godwin can you please advise me where I have ever confessed to being a 'lunatic'. What would you call people suffering from other medical conditons or perhaps a disabled person?

 

You really need to reign in the personal insults because you are doing far more damage to your tenuous reputation than mine. Considering the amount of insults I get I don't often report them but when you post lies and vile abuse suggesting that someone who has suffered from one of a vast array of mental type illnesses equates to a lunatic then you are far sicker and grossly ill-informed than most.

 

So are you saying you're bonkers or just a bit "special"?