MLT betting on saints game

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Now the POLICE are investigating!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8250042.stm

 

You watch the FA find ANOTHER exc use to hit us with a further point deduction/fine.

[hamster]

...and still can't break into the Amazon top 100 book sales chart. Mybe he could try predicting the lottery numbers for last saturday's draw?

[tpbury]

Now the POLICE are investigating!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8250042.stm

 

You watch the FA find ANOTHER exc use to hit us with a further point deduction/fine.

 

And it's being run on Radio 5 news every bulletin. I think the club is safe though (not from relegation).

[Nineteen Canteen]

The whole thing begs the question did this type of thing happen regularly and was this only because of it's failure that it became tellable.

 

Derry, I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's easy to admit your mistakes or 'crimes' when you haven't profited from them and can do so in a self-deprecating way, quite another when you have coined in a few quid.

 

No doubt the bookmakers who lost a lot of money on these bets and probably noted some supicious but difficult to prove betting patterns have raised the complaint to the police now they have a professional admission. My guess is that the spread betting firms will provide details of all their suspicious or unusual betting patterns and ask for these to now be taken into consideration.

 

MLT had choices what to include or exclude from his book and choose how he wanted to be reflected personally. He chose to come across as the lovable self deprecating maverick blessed with genius and a 'I'm doing it my way' approach. Whether he achieved that is up for debate but no doubt IMO he chose to leave out stuff that may have not reflected him in the light he wanted and can anyone say based on this admission that he was party to successful scams before his decision not to get involved with spread betting again? IMO, there has to be an element of doubt at the moment and one that the police will IMO want to question MLT about. In any event we should accept that crimes can be committed regardless of a successful outcome for those committing them. Failure does not equal not guilty.

 

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

If he did this to increase book sales then as at 31st August he was 9th in the Hard Back Non-fiction sales with c1,920 sales and it will be interesting to see how this news has impacted his initial and somewhat disappointing sales. Under 2,000 sales doesn't even represent 20% of SFC Season Ticket holders. Assessing those sales against the club's wider fanbase and his alleged status with Soccer Saturday fans and all those interested in football I think he has over-estimated his popularity and under played the seriousness of his admission.

 

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

[Teddy Nutkins]

The whole thing begs the question did this type of thing happen regularly and was this only because of it's failure that it became tellable.

I am sure you are right, whoever advised Matt, viewed it as everyone loves a lovable rogue, so everyone would laugh and say look at that MLT,what a tinker he was.Opps.

[Sheff Saint]

Derry, I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's easy to admit your mistakes or 'crimes' when you haven't profited from them and can do so in a self-deprecating way, quite another when you have coined in a few quid.

 

No doubt the bookmakers who lost a lot of money on these bets and probably noted some supicious but difficult to prove betting patterns have raised the complaint to the police now they have a professional admission. My guess is that the spread betting firms will provide details of all their suspicious or unusual betting patterns and ask for these to now be taken into consideration.

 

MLT had choices what to include or exclude from his book and choose how he wanted to be reflected personally. He chose to come across as the lovable self deprecating maverick blessed with genius and a 'I'm doing it my way' approach. Whether he achieved that is up for debate but no doubt IMO he chose to leave out stuff that may have not reflected him in the light he wanted and can anyone say based on this admission that he was party to successful scams before his decision not to get involved with spread betting again? IMO, there has to be an element of doubt at the moment and one that the police will IMO want to question MLT about. In any event we should accept that crimes can be committed regardless of a successful outcome for those committing them. Failure does not equal not guilty.

 

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

If he did this to increase book sales then as at 31st August he was 9th in the Hard Back Non-fiction sales with c1,920 sales and it will be interesting to see how this news has impacted his initial and somewhat disappointing sales. Under 2,000 sales doesn't even represent 20% of SFC Season Ticket holders. Assessing those sales against the club's wider fanbase and his alleged status with Soccer Saturday fans and all those interested in football I think he has over-estimated his popularity and under played the seriousness of his admission.

 

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

 

I don't mean to dumb down, as your intellegence is of course above us all.

 

And i understand there could be an intersting discussion to be held on both footballers autobiog's and betting.

 

But personally i'd like you to **** off and never return.

[Whitey Grandad]

The whole thing begs the question did this type of thing happen regularly and was this only because of it's failure that it became tellable.

George Best once bet somebody that he could go through a whole game using only his left foot. He did, and he scored.

 

When Jason Dodd was the first scorer at the Dell all the other players went wild and mobbed him. I was later told that they had all placed bets on him at 50:1.

[Sheff Saint]

George Best once bet somebody that he could go through a whole game using only his left foot. He did, and he scored.

 

When Jason Dodd was the first scorer at the Dell all the other players went wild and mobbed him. I was later told that they had all placed bets on him at 50:1.

 

Quite. And i think, personally, while it's probably right now that footballers are not allowed to bet, you need to remember, even as recently as 1995 it was a different time.

 

And, it's a grey area, but there is a difference between influencing the outcome of the game, and throwing in little incentives along the way.

 

You can't have this discussion based on todays context, like everything time moves on.

 

Basing a comedy series on taking the **** out of you black neighbour seems wrong today, and seems like it always is. But people in the 70's didn't see that. Doesn't make it right but it isn't neccesarly wrong either.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't mean to dumb down, as your intellegence is of course above us all.

 

And i understand there could be an intersting discussion to be held on both footballers autobiog's and betting.

 

But personally i'd like you to **** off and never return.

 

Your words not mine but given your comments I would suggest it's just the one rung above yours.

[Wes Tender]

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

Let's get some perspective on this. After everything the club has been through recently? Was the press we received negative through all the turbulence of the recent administration and takeover? I would have thought that most readers of the press coverage of our demise would feel that it was a case of poor management of the club by the board and that the instability of constant changes of the board and the manager caused our downfall. I'm sure most will have just shrugged their shoulders and thought that the end result was only to be expected. But then the press reaction to our takeover by a billionaire and the developments since would only show us in a positive light, most fans of other clubs envying our good luck.

 

Bad publicity was what we had at the time of the reverse takeover and coverage on National TV by Panorama in their Share Game documentary. This was a mere blip in comparison.

 

As to MLT, although it is disappointing to know that he was prepared to act in an immoral way in this matter, again, most will be quite capable of accepting that everybody has some failing or other in their make-up. But most will feel perfectly capable of divorcing the tremendous ability of a player during his career and the pleasure it brought to thousands, from the activities of that player in his private or business life. It does not diminish the memories I have of watching his brand of footballing genius for this club one iota.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Quite. And i think, personally, while it's probably right now that footballers are not allowed to bet, you need to remember, even as recently as 1995 it was a different time.

 

And, it's a grey area, but there is a difference between influencing the outcome of the game, and throwing in little incentives along the way.

 

You can't have this discussion based on todays context, like everything time moves on.

 

Basing a comedy series on taking the **** out of you black neighbour seems wrong today, and seems like it always is. But people in the 70's didn't see that. Doesn't make it right but it isn't neccesarly wrong either.

 

It's called abusing your position to make a personal gain no matter how small the incident. In the city it's called Insider Trading and perhaps we should not forget where Spread Betting originated from.

 

You can't compare the past with present and your analogy is wrong on so many levels. Even today we have the Prime Minister apologising for the shameful treatment this country dished out to one of its greatest heros during World War II simply because he was a homosexual. It wouldn't be right today and despite the laws at the time doesn't mean his treatment was right 70 years ago.

 

The 1990's is hardly a generation ago and MLT had he looked after his fitness would be barely out of his boots. He needs to be made accountable for his comments.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Let's get some perspective on this. After everything the club has been through recently? Was the press we received negative through all the turbulence of the recent administration and takeover? I would have thought that most readers of the press coverage of our demise would feel that it was a case of poor management of the club by the board and that the instability of constant changes of the board and the manager caused our downfall. I'm sure most will have just shrugged their shoulders and thought that the end result was only to be expected. But then the press reaction to our takeover by a billionaire and the developments since would only show us in a positive light, most fans of other clubs envying our good luck.

 

Bad publicity was what we had at the time of the reverse takeover and coverage on National TV by Panorama in their Share Game documentary. This was a mere blip in comparison.

 

As to MLT, although it is disappointing to know that he was prepared to act in an immoral way in this matter, again, most will be quite capable of accepting that everybody has some failing or other in their make-up. But most will feel perfectly capable of divorcing the tremendous ability of a player during his career and the pleasure it brought to thousands, from the activities of that player in his private or business life. It does not diminish the memories I have of watching his brand of footballing genius for this club one iota.

 

I appreciate your view Wes and concede that the term negative may be overstating the point with regard to administration but it was hardly positive and the Fialka saga was acutely embarrasing and we should not forget who was endorsing it at the time.

 

However, the news about MLT is nothing other than negative and something we could all do without. We are all different and I am pleased it doesn't diminish your memories but for me I'm afraid it does and you can't help wondering what might have been if he had run around a little harder when he didn't have a bet riding on the outcome of his actions.

 

It's difficult for me to divorce an individuals ability from their moral code and in any event would always rate the latter over the former. I won't stop marvelling at what MLT did for us although not with the same complete reverence but that is just my personal perspective as oppose to yours.

[JustMike]

Derry, I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's easy to admit your mistakes or 'crimes' when you haven't profited from them and can do so in a self-deprecating way, quite another when you have coined in a few quid.

 

No doubt the bookmakers who lost a lot of money on these bets and probably noted some supicious but difficult to prove betting patterns have raised the complaint to the police now they have a professional admission. My guess is that the spread betting firms will provide details of all their suspicious or unusual betting patterns and ask for these to now be taken into consideration.

 

MLT had choices what to include or exclude from his book and choose how he wanted to be reflected personally. He chose to come across as the lovable self deprecating maverick blessed with genius and a 'I'm doing it my way' approach. Whether he achieved that is up for debate but no doubt IMO he chose to leave out stuff that may have not reflected him in the light he wanted and can anyone say based on this admission that he was party to successful scams before his decision not to get involved with spread betting again? IMO, there has to be an element of doubt at the moment and one that the police will IMO want to question MLT about. In any event we should accept that crimes can be committed regardless of a successful outcome for those committing them. Failure does not equal not guilty.

 

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

If he did this to increase book sales then as at 31st August he was 9th in the Hard Back Non-fiction sales with c1,920 sales and it will be interesting to see how this news has impacted his initial and somewhat disappointing sales. Under 2,000 sales doesn't even represent 20% of SFC Season Ticket holders. Assessing those sales against the club's wider fanbase and his alleged status with Soccer Saturday fans and all those interested in football I think he has over-estimated his popularity and under played the seriousness of his admission.

 

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

interesting how quick you are to bash a legend of this club and yet how quick you are to defend one of the main culprites for its downfall (mr lowe).

[Armitage Shanks]

I don't mean to dumb down, as your intellegence is of course above us all.

 

And i understand there could be an intersting discussion to be held on both footballers autobiog's and betting.

 

But personally i'd like you to **** off and never return.

 

 

Pitiful response. Personally I thought NC's summary was precise and to the point. I also suspect that he has stated what a lot of Saints fans are thinking and feeling towards MLT.

[Nineteen Canteen]

interesting how quick you are to bash a legend of this club and yet how quick you are to defend one of the main culprites for its downfall (mr lowe).

 

Quick? I have been questioning MLT's ability/motives since he first put his name to Pinnacle. Pinnacle and his book have just provided the platform for discussion. Likewise I don't remember any negative discussion about Lowe around May 2003 only the events after that gave you a platform to discuss his ability/motives.

 

Surprising how easy it is to ignore the faults of others don't you think?

[Sheff Saint]

Pitiful response. Personally I thought NC's summary was precise and to the point. I also suspect that he has stated what a lot of Saints fans are thinking and feeling towards MLT.

 

Maybe, but not for me.

 

I'd prefer it if he hadn't been involved, or even had kept quiet. But has it actually diminished anything he's done for the club or city.

 

No.

 

Was it indicative of what was happening at the time. Yes.

 

Was he trying to cheat any of us. No. Except maybe bookies. Who probably deserve it.

 

Is MLT above the law. No. But in the whole context of my life it doesn't matter. Also, in the context of the game the FA have now stopped footballers from doing this. Correctly. Let's move on.

[benjii]

I imagine that this went on in most games of the era. Most of them. I thought it was, and had been for some time, common knowledge that players deliberately booted the ball off straight away for spreadbetting purposes. I have certainly been aware that it happened for many years. So, no doubt in my mind that there were countless players and countless clubs involved. This doesn't make it right but it doesn't make MLT any worse than any of the other players involved (some of whom may have actually made a large profit and done it on several occasion) and it doesn't make SFC worse than any of those clubs.

 

MLT, if he is brought to book, will ultimately be the victim of his own honesty whilst the countless other players involved will get off freely. Now whether he's taken a calculated risk to add some interest to the book, whether he's been naive, whether he just wanted to own up... whatever, the fact is that this does nothing in my mind to tarnish him as a player and nor does it reflect negatively in any way on Southampton FC.

 

Let's also note that neither the laws of football, nor its regulatory bodies, prohibited the practice at the time. Therefore the only case to answer is a criminal one, if at all.

Edited 11 September, 2009 by benjii

[Sheff Saint]

It's called abusing your position to make a personal gain no matter how small the incident. In the city it's called Insider Trading and perhaps we should not forget where Spread Betting originated from.

 

You can't compare the past with present and your analogy is wrong on so many levels. Even today we have the Prime Minister apologising for the shameful treatment this country dished out to one of its greatest heros during World War II simply because he was a homosexual. It wouldn't be right today and despite the laws at the time doesn't mean his treatment was right 70 years ago.

 

The 1990's is hardly a generation ago and MLT had he looked after his fitness would be barely out of his boots. He needs to be made accountable for his comments.

 

 

I'm not really bothered by your thoughts. I always ignore you. Sometimes you're good for stirring debate but that's it. But you are clearly an idgiet to peddle that opinion. It's not without it's limited credit, but in the context of your usual agenda you're a Pomp*y fan or just a ****.

[krissyboy31]

Pitiful response. Personally I thought NC's summary was precise and to the point. I also suspect that he has stated what a lot of Saints fans are thinking and feeling towards MLT.

 

If you have read the book., if anyone it should be 'Flash' Gordon Watson that should be worried about any police investigation into spread betting, not MLT, who was at worse gullible to join in with GW's plan.

[Toadhall Saint]

Derry, I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's easy to admit your mistakes or 'crimes' when you haven't profited from them and can do so in a self-deprecating way, quite another when you have coined in a few quid.

 

No doubt the bookmakers who lost a lot of money on these bets and probably noted some supicious but difficult to prove betting patterns have raised the complaint to the police now they have a professional admission. My guess is that the spread betting firms will provide details of all their suspicious or unusual betting patterns and ask for these to now be taken into consideration.

 

MLT had choices what to include or exclude from his book and choose how he wanted to be reflected personally. He chose to come across as the lovable self deprecating maverick blessed with genius and a 'I'm doing it my way' approach. Whether he achieved that is up for debate but no doubt IMO he chose to leave out stuff that may have not reflected him in the light he wanted and can anyone say based on this admission that he was party to successful scams before his decision not to get involved with spread betting again? IMO, there has to be an element of doubt at the moment and one that the police will IMO want to question MLT about. In any event we should accept that crimes can be committed regardless of a successful outcome for those committing them. Failure does not equal not guilty.

 

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

If he did this to increase book sales then as at 31st August he was 9th in the Hard Back Non-fiction sales with c1,920 sales and it will be interesting to see how this news has impacted his initial and somewhat disappointing sales. Under 2,000 sales doesn't even represent 20% of SFC Season Ticket holders. Assessing those sales against the club's wider fanbase and his alleged status with Soccer Saturday fans and all those interested in football I think he has over-estimated his popularity and under played the seriousness of his admission.

 

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

As you say 19C - your opinions and on this occasion well put.

 

My memories of MLT will not be tainted however as they are to do with the absolute joy he gave me on many many occasions - when he came of the bench for the last league game at the Dell and drilled in that goal - the hairs on the back of my neck just stood up!

 

MLT will never be beyond reproach as he is a human being and as such will always have failings in someones eye's. To me he will always hold a very special place in my thoughts, which remain untainted because of some comment in a book.

[Wes Tender]

It's called abusing your position to make a personal gain no matter how small the incident. In the city it's called Insider Trading and perhaps we should not forget where Spread Betting originated from.

 

Indeed it is and I certainly heard some rumours that there were certain individuals who profitted from knowledge that Southampton Football Club was to be taken over by Secure Retirement. Seemingly it isn't just the players who are capable of this immoral behaviour at our club. And almost certainly it isn't only just our club either.

[Spudders]

Derry, I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's easy to admit your mistakes or 'crimes' when you haven't profited from them and can do so in a self-deprecating way, quite another when you have coined in a few quid.

 

No doubt the bookmakers who lost a lot of money on these bets and probably noted some supicious but difficult to prove betting patterns have raised the complaint to the police now they have a professional admission. My guess is that the spread betting firms will provide details of all their suspicious or unusual betting patterns and ask for these to now be taken into consideration.

 

MLT had choices what to include or exclude from his book and choose how he wanted to be reflected personally. He chose to come across as the lovable self deprecating maverick blessed with genius and a 'I'm doing it my way' approach. Whether he achieved that is up for debate but no doubt IMO he chose to leave out stuff that may have not reflected him in the light he wanted and can anyone say based on this admission that he was party to successful scams before his decision not to get involved with spread betting again? IMO, there has to be an element of doubt at the moment and one that the police will IMO want to question MLT about. In any event we should accept that crimes can be committed regardless of a successful outcome for those committing them. Failure does not equal not guilty.

 

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

If he did this to increase book sales then as at 31st August he was 9th in the Hard Back Non-fiction sales with c1,920 sales and it will be interesting to see how this news has impacted his initial and somewhat disappointing sales. Under 2,000 sales doesn't even represent 20% of SFC Season Ticket holders. Assessing those sales against the club's wider fanbase and his alleged status with Soccer Saturday fans and all those interested in football I think he has over-estimated his popularity and under played the seriousness of his admission.

 

MLT Le God? More like fallen angel and after everything this club has been through recently the last thing we needed was more negative press from an ill-advised ex-player still not learning and instead choosing to do it his way. These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

You are the only user of this forum I have ever seriously considered putting on ignore. But I have never done so as a lot of the time what you say isn't necessarily incorrect, it's just they way you portray yourself that rubs people up the wrong way, as such I find you intriguing.

 

As has already happened, you'll get some abuse for your comments based of the fact that many people are tired of your antagonistic posting style. I can't usually be bother to comment much on this forum these days, but I do have to say that I think this is one of your better posts!

 

I did enjoy the book, but totally agree that the pages and pages of people saying what a good bloke Matt was, was just space filling. I was surprised to read his admissions about the spread betting and thought at the time it was a risky story to tell us.

 

I don't think I'd go as far as saying Matt is a fallen angel (he's still a legend in my mind) but otherwise good post NC.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I imagine that this went on in most games of the era. Most of them. I thought it was, and had been for some time, common knowledge that players deliberately booted the ball off straight away for spreadbetting purposes. I have certainly been aware that it happened for many years. So, no doubt in my mind that there were countless players and countless clubs involved. This doesn't make it right but it doesn't make MLT any worse than any of the other players involved (some of whom may have actually made a large profit and done it on several occasion) and it doesn't make SFC worse than any of those clubs.

 

MLT, if he is brought to book, will ultimately be the victim of his own honesty whilst the countless other players involved will get off freely. Now whether he's taken a calculated risk to add some interest to the book, whether he's been naive, whether he just wanted to own up... whatever, the fact is that this does nothing in my mind to tarnish him as a player and nor does it reflect negatively in any way on Southampton FC.

 

Let's also note that neither the laws of football, nor its regulatory bodies, prohibited the practice at the time. Therefore the only case to answer is a criminal one, if at all.

 

The 1990's is not another era or generation so we need to be careful of passing this off as if it was something that occured before many of us were born or still in short trousers.

 

It is also no defence to pass this off as ok because everyone else was allegedly doing it - doesn't make it right. Morally it was wrong and with respect to your fans and employers it was dismissive and arrogant behaviour at best.

 

MLT will not be a victim of his own honesty he will IMO be a victim of his own stupidity. I agree it doesn't make MLT worse than any other player allegedly involved in this activity and like those other players whoever they are I will respect them and him a lot less along with the fans of the other countless clubs you allege are involved.

 

MLT may have been poorly paid relative to his peers but £200k + pa is far from a level you may need to stoop to scamming bookies and tarnishing your reputation IMO. Unfortunately, IMO it smacks of greed, ego and disrespect for your sport and your fans.

[trousers]

Police now involved!!!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8250042.stm

 

 

FFS....when will this country stop wasting my hard earned tax on crap like this? Go and catch some real criminals FFS.

 

What's next? Not being able to take your friend's kids to footie training without a criminal screening....

 

Jim Davidson had the right idea when this nanny state was elected in 1997.

 

Oh Lord, give me strength.

[eurosaint]

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" !

 

John 8:7

[trousers]

Police now involved!!!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8250042.stm

 

 

"A spokesman added the matter was taken up by a senior officer following extensive publicity in the media."

Hmmm....I wonder what football team the aforementioned senior officer supports....?

[trousers]

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" !

 

John 8:7

 

“Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."

 

(Psalms 30:5)

[Nineteen Canteen]

FFS....when will this country stop wasting my hard earned tax on crap like this? Go and catch some real criminals FFS.

 

What's next? Not being able to take your friend's kids to footie training without a criminal screening....:rolleyes:

 

Jim Davidson had the right idea when this nanny state was elected in 1997.

 

Oh Lord, give me strength.

 

Personally Trousers I see this as a major bonus and it means I won't have to remove half a dried football pitch from the back of my car every weekend as other parents are seemingly always unavailable because of Horse Riding or Ballet or Tennis. There are times I wish I had a daughter they make great excuses. Going to take 6 years though so if they are still playing no doubt my services will not be required and they can tear ar5e to the game in a souped up N reg Corsa from another era.

[Nineteen Canteen]

“Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."

 

(Psalms 30:5)

 

Ah an apt quote for the stressed out married man in his forties.

[trousers]

Surprising how easy it is to ignore the faults of others

 

Good point, well made....

 

[Nineteen Canteen]

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" !

 

John 8:7

 

May as well close down the Old Bailey. NC 1:1

[trousers]

Personally Trousers I see this as a major bonus and it means I won't have to remove half a dried football pitch from the back of my car every weekend as other parents are seemingly always unavailable because of Horse Riding or Ballet or Tennis.

 

I hadn't looked at it that way...a very good point!

 

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. I salute you.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Good point, well made....

 

 

Thank you for clarifying it. Have you got a similar pic of MLT?

[trousers]

Thank you for clarifying it. Have you got a similar pic of MLT?

 

I have, but it wouldn't fit on the screen...

[trousers]

[VectisSaint]

"Hampshire Police said the matter was still in its early stages and was not yet a formal investigation."

 

When thieves broke into my shed and stole a considerable amount of goods, it didn't even get to the "early stages", strange how resources are directed.

Wonder if the officer in charge is a Skate?

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

Superb

[trousers]

Wonder if the officer in charge is a Skate?

 

Great minds thinking alike....

 

"A spokesman added the matter was taken up by a senior officer following extensive publicity in the media."

Hmmm....I wonder what football team the aforementioned senior officer supports....?

[RedAndWhite91]

I see this has made the 'top stories' on the BBC website today...

 

EDIT: And it is the 4th most read story on the site.

[VectisSaint]

It's difficult for me to divorce an individuals ability from their moral code and in any event would always rate the latter over the former. I won't stop marvelling at what MLT did for us although not with the same complete reverence but that is just my personal perspective as oppose to yours.

Hypocrite. How can you say you hold someone's moral code to be more important that their ability in this case, and then defend Lowe in other arguments. Lowe has/had no morals whatsoever, as demonstrated time after time, yet you put him on a pedestal and laud all he ever did with no scruples at all. This is why no-one really can take you seriously.

[Scudamore]

I found MLT's book tedious and ungenuine and have yet to read any autobiography that the author felt it worthwhile to include 40 pages of plaudits from a load of unknown names. I have not been able to get by the rather fatuous and ambiguous title of the book because who was he supposed to be 'taking le tiss' from? Judging by his comments, that in this incident he never ran so hard in a game, I can't get away from the fact he was taking it from himself and more importantly us fans who so revered him during his playing career.

 

These are just my opinions of course but for me MLT has inescapably tainted my memories of his playing days with this book and his role in Pinnacle and has left me questioning who is the real MLT behind what was his undoubted genius.

 

You'll excuse me if i trim your post somewhat but i can't be bother to address the other obvious trolling.

 

However if it has "tainted" your memories i'd have to ask where these memoires were formed exactly? Because when i went to Saints games when Le Tiss was playing we sung the following song:

 

Le Tiss, Le Tiss,

Matt Le Matt Le Tiss,

He gets the ball,

He takes the p:ss,

Matt Le Matt Le Tiss.

 

That is where the title of the book comes from.

 

Which as a supposed Saints fan you really should know.

 

Personally i couldn't give a sh:t if he did it to be honest...i'd do it as well...

 

And i'm sure more of you would than are willing to admit it...because pomposity and taking of the moral high ground are traits of this website i see time and time again. Goons.

[VectisSaint]

Great minds thinking alike....

Did't see your post. It does highlight one of the down sides of the way policing is organised in this country with local, county based police forces with local interests. There is of course no evidence that the police officer in charge is a Skate, but the possibility is always there. Issues such as this ought to be investigated by a neutral force.

[John Smith]

It is also no defence to pass this off as ok because everyone else was allegedly doing it - doesn't make it right. Morally it was wrong and with respect to the fans and the previous owners it was dismissive and arrogant behaviour at best.

 

RL will not be a victim of his own honesty he will IMO be a victim of his own stupidity.

 

RL may have been poorly paid relative to his peers but £200k + pa is far from a level you may need to stoop to scamming fans and calling them lunatic fringe IMO.

 

Unfortunately, IMO it smacks of greed, ego and disrespect for your sport and your fans.

 

Sorry, had to edit your post somewhat 19C, and it's amazing how well it fits!

 

Maybe this is how some people felt about the whole way RL ot involved with this club, but hey, not illegal, many Chairman got there because of this type of 'buy-out'

 

But I particularly like the last sentence. I haven;t altered that one, but you can see where I got confused about who you were talking about!

 

Anyway, I respect your opinion to think what you like and voice that opinion. In fact, I really hope MLT is walking round the pitch, you stand up and boo him, and if anyone gives you grief, just start chanting 'one Rupert Lowe' as loud as you can! That'll teach them.

[trousers]

Issues such as this ought to be investigated by a neutral force.

 

Agree.

 

Or, indeed, the police should use their over-stretched resources to investigate crimes that actually affect the daily lives of the average man on the street.

[Armitage Shanks]

You'll excuse me if i trim your post somewhat but i can't be bother to address the other obvious trolling.

 

However if it has "tainted" your memories i'd have to ask where these memoires were formed exactly? Because when i went to Saints games when Le Tiss was playing we sung the following song:

 

Le Tiss, Le Tiss,

Matt Le Matt Le Tiss,

He gets the ball,

He takes the p:ss,

Matt Le Matt Le Tiss.

 

That is where the title of the book comes from.

 

Which as a supposed Saints fan you really should know.

 

Personally i couldn't give a sh:t if he did it to be honest...i'd do it as well...

 

And i'm sure more of you would than are willing to admit it...because pomposity and taking of the moral high ground are traits of this website i see time and time again. Goons.

 

No-one I have seen so far has said that they wouldn't do it. Where he has acted like a real moron is admitting it. Shocking lack of judgment by someone who wanted to be a director of our club. He should stick to reporting for Sky.

[Scudamore]

No-one I have seen so far has said that they wouldn't do it. Where he has acted like a real moron is admitting it. Shocking lack of judgment by someone who wanted to be a director of our club. He should stick to reporting for Sky.

 

So everyone is disappointed in him because he admitted it?

[Dan Johnson]

MLT will not be a victim of his own honesty he will IMO be a victim of his own stupidity.

 

I agree. For me, this has shown him in a less than sincere light. Some will argue that after all he’s done for the club that he’s maybe entitled to take liberties, but for me he’s abused his position and that goes some way to diminish the faith I and so many installed in him.

 

While I’m perfectly aware that placing a bet on winning a throw in is a relatively minor liberty to take, what’s to say he hadn’t been taking more in his time?

 

When I saw Le Tiss play out of his skin I’d like to think it was because he was doing everything he could to win, rather than doing everything he could to prevent losing a bet.

 

His persona was selfless; sacrificing what could have been a glittering career at a big club to stay and help us... our talisman. If we find out he wasn’t so selfless & was out for personal gain... will we all still see him in the same light? I am not so sure.

[redkeith]

I can see why Tiss would think about having a bet on the Dave Jones long punt kick-off tactic. It was appalling, and never led to anything more than losing posession from the resulting throw in 20 yards in the opponents half.

 

Whether Saints or the oppo got the first throw is neither here nor there (unless you are playing Stoke who would launch it 70 yards into your box).

 

The only decent kick-off we had in those days was a home game against Spurs when someone passed it to Marian, who then set of on a run to the penealty area, got body checked and booked for diving. I was sat in the East Stand and it was a blatent pen. I say, get Hants Police to investigate that ref instead.

[angelman]

haven't we known that this has always been going on? I am not sure why it is such a great surprise. You watch a lot of games (maybe not from now) and see how often the ball gets kicked out to the wing and straight out for a throw. Been going on for decades, but its just no one has been quite so stupid to write about it.

[Give it to Ron]

I agree. For me, this has shown him in a less than sincere light. Some will argue that after all he’s done for the club that he’s maybe entitled to take liberties, but for me he’s abused his position and that goes some way to diminish the faith I and so many installed in him.

 

While I’m perfectly aware that placing a bet on winning a throw in is a relatively minor liberty to take, what’s to say he hadn’t been taking more in his time?

 

When I saw Le Tiss play out of his skin I’d like to think it was because he was doing everything he could to win, rather than doing everything he could to prevent losing a bet.

 

His persona was selfless; sacrificing what could have been a glittering career at a big club to stay and help us... our talisman. If we find out he wasn’t so selfless & was out for personal gain... will we all still see him in the same light? I am not so sure.

 

So you are going to ignore all those years of loyalty, almost single handedly keeping us in the top division where the club enjoyed more revenue based on this admission?

You also ignore the point that he only did this once - so you are calling him a liar?

 

Yes it was stupid and I am not condoning it for one minute but lets keep this in perspective.

 

Can you tell me what personal gain he had in playing for a struggling side when he had offers from far richer clubs?