MLT betting on saints game

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Hope MLT sales lots of books as I wonder if sky will keep him on in light of this addmission to taking part in a betting scam?

 

It amazes me that people with what appears to be a good little number seem to shoot themselves in the foot?

 

Like they don't employ Merson - who had drink, drug and Gambling Addictions - Merson has now turned into quite a good role model as he has got himself turned round!!! .... Of course then there was David Pleat who got knabbed Kerb Crawling... oh sorry - he is actually on Radio five Live! Brucey... oh actually on Hells Kitchen and came across as a decent guy and now does a tongue in cheek ad for a book makers.....

 

.... Get in the real world my friend!!!! - These things are generally only five minute wonders. Add to the list -

 

Lee Hughes

Graham Rix

****ana

and every one else on the planet......

[pingpong]

this was during the alan ball period. I remember it well.

 

EVERY game, we started off with a pass back to centre mid, and a hoof up the right hand wing where shipps/flash etc. would chase it.

 

it NEVER came off, I used to swear at Alan Ball EVERY time, and could not believe they persevered with it.

 

comes across in a different light now. i wonder how many times they tried it, and how much money they made...

[waggy]

There is a huge difference between caring about the issue, integrity in sport, and villofying MLT for one very minor misdemeanour, which in fact led him to realise that integrity was important, a lesson welll learned.

 

I'm afraid I already question the motives of much in sport, the more that big money comes in and pervades the game we all love, the more correupt it is. But this is nothing new. Players were suspended for life in the 1950s for match fixing allegations, there have been scandals involving Lou Macari and as well know Brucey, and many many others. To read some of the patently silly remarks on here by some holier than thou goody 2 shoes, you would think that the idea of a betting scam had been invented by MLT. Nothing could be further from the truth. This sort of thing was clearly rampant, in the 90s when spread betting became popular and before the authorities clamped down. The thing we have learned from this is that MLT was so naive that having tried this thing once, it scarde the **** out of him when he realised how much he could have lost, and never got involved again. That is the salutary lesson others should be picking up on, and possibly why he mentioned it in his book. Matt wasn't even the instigator of this as far as I can tell, more ikely it was Flash, but almost the whole team were in on it, just a shame someone forgot to tell Shipps.

 

I can't believe some of the nonsense being written on here about MLT, and role models (or even roll models). My hero in the 60s was Micky Channon, he was my role model, hence I turned to drinking when I realised that my heroes of the day were all out on the lash every night (not just Mick, but ossie etc). And if you believe that about me then you would believe anything. Because MLT made one dodgy bet does not make him any less of a role model to youngsters today, it shows he was human, and got involved in the sort of things that 99.9% of people get involved with at some time. The role model point is that he saw the error of his ways very quickly and learned that this was not the sort of thing that should be done, teach your kids to learn from their mistakes and you will have taught them a useful life lesson.

 

If you want to get hung up about corruption in football then pay more attention to the likes of things going on at Chelski, real corruption, not just financial but also corruption of a minor.

 

Exactly, very well said

[70's Mike]

There is a huge difference between caring about the issue, integrity in sport, and villofying MLT for one very minor misdemeanour, which in fact led him to realise that integrity was important, a lesson welll learned.

 

I'm afraid I already question the motives of much in sport, the more that big money comes in and pervades the game we all love, the more correupt it is. But this is nothing new. Players were suspended for life in the 1950s for match fixing allegations, there have been scandals involving Lou Macari and as well know Brucey, and many many others. To read some of the patently silly remarks on here by some holier than thou goody 2 shoes, you would think that the idea of a betting scam had been invented by MLT. Nothing could be further from the truth. This sort of thing was clearly rampant, in the 90s when spread betting became popular and before the authorities clamped down. The thing we have learned from this is that MLT was so naive that having tried this thing once, it scarde the **** out of him when he realised how much he could have lost, and never got involved again. That is the salutary lesson others should be picking up on, and possibly why he mentioned it in his book. Matt wasn't even the instigator of this as far as I can tell, more ikely it was Flash, but almost the whole team were in on it, just a shame someone forgot to tell Shipps.

 

I can't believe some of the nonsense being written on here about MLT, and role models (or even roll models). My hero in the 60s was Micky Channon, he was my role model, hence I turned to drinking when I realised that my heroes of the day were all out on the lash every night (not just Mick, but ossie etc). And if you believe that about me then you would believe anything. Because MLT made one dodgy bet does not make him any less of a role model to youngsters today, it shows he was human, and got involved in the sort of things that 99.9% of people get involved with at some time. The role model point is that he saw the error of his ways very quickly and learned that this was not the sort of thing that should be done, teach your kids to learn from their mistakes and you will have taught them a useful life lesson.

 

If you want to get hung up about corruption in football then pay more attention to the likes of things going on at Chelski, real corruption, not just financial but also corruption of a minor.

 

so true

i expect the flak will soon be flying in your direction

[The9]

What so many of you lot on here utterly fail to realise is that if you tolerate low level corruption in the game then before long it will inevitably spread into far more pernicious forms - all human experience teaches us this .

This road leads to fans starting to question the true motivations behind everything - that penalty the ref turned down - the open goal the striker missed - the match that was abandoned when the lights failed ... pretty soon the lack of trust becomes universal and the continuation of the game itself is called into question . No honest person should view conspiracy to defraud as a trivial matter , what you think of Bookmakers has nothing to do with it .

 

Integrity is everything in sport - you really , really should care about this .

 

Or not, depending on how bothered people are about it. Let's face it, at the point when the Premier League decided money was more important than integrity in sport we probably all should have given up and gone home (or stayed there on Saturdays). Carlos Tevez case anyone?

 

The fault still lies with the bookies for making such a stupid bet available.

 

And for the record, the couple of matches that were abandoned circa 1998when the lights failed definitely WERE part of a betting scam, but none of the players were implicated.

[The9]

This kind of argument (Moral Relativism) in its extreme form would of course mean that no moral judgments of any kind are ever valid or acceptable . In this world where nothing can be called wrong then everything must be right then eh ? - I put it to you Sir that that is nonsense .

 

Yes every adult human being has 'sinned' and human weakness is universal but does that mean that anything goes now ? If you really think that then I suggest you excuse yourself from Jury service should you ever get the call .

 

For those on here glibly throwing around phrases such as 'hypercritical' or 'self righteous' please point out the posts where someone has actually claimed to be a morally outstanding individual free of all human vice , you'll have to look pretty hard though .

 

The point here is that only you and the philosophers who come up with this stuff in the first place are ever going to take it to its extreme form.

 

The rest of us are living in the real world, where the Man on the Clapham Omnibus may or may not have obtained his Oyster Card at a discount rate from a bloke in the pub, and may or may not be otherwise unable to visit his dying mother without using it.

 

Sometimes that stuff is just accepted, whether due to impracticalities of policing or a lack of desire to impose punishment on minor offences if the majority are in acceptance/defence to the law. It all depends on whether society deems it acceptable, and in the current "society" based on an (admittedly biased) sample on here, you'd have to say most people don't think it's worth harping on about, and nor, judging by Le Tiss's actions of the following 10 years, does it seem to have been the thin end of the wedge.

 

The FA have outlawed it since too, so there's not even any remedial action on their part. Equally, I'm sure that if the bookies were bothered they'd have just stopped offering bets on those kind of events too.

[trousers]

The role model point is that he saw the error of his ways very quickly and learned that this was not the sort of thing that should be done, teach your kids to learn from their mistakes and you will have taught them a useful life lesson.

 

Hallelujah.

 

Exactly the point I was making in my post this morning about my intention to tell my 9 year old lad about this 'episode' this evening by way of moral guidance.

 

MLT - I salute you.

[Red&White]

Think it a very unsavoury thing to do and why mention it now ?

[trousers]

Think it a very unsavoury thing to do and why mention it now ?

 

He's got a book to sell.

 

HTH

[hypochondriac]

Hallelujah.

 

Exactly the point I was making in my post this morning about my intention to tell my 9 year old lad about this 'episode' this evening by way of moral guidance.

 

MLT - I salute you.

 

I think the disappointing thing is that he did it in the first place without realising that it was a silly thing to do.

[Give it to Ron]

I think the disappointing thing is that he did it in the first place without realising that it was a silly thing to do.

 

You never ever did anything stupid without realising it?

[Toadhall Saint]

I think the disappointing thing is that he did it in the first place without realising that it was a silly thing to do.

 

LOL - that is priceless

[Lord Duckhunter]

Dennis Lillee and Rod Marsh bet against their own team and yet they're still living legends in Aus.

 

Some people are overreacting a bit.

[OldNick]

Hallelujah.

 

Exactly the point I was making in my post this morning about my intention to tell my 9 year old lad about this 'episode' this evening by way of moral guidance.

 

MLT - I salute you.

MLT says it is the only time he did it. We wil of course believe that but to many who are not so devoted they may well say 'Yeah right'

[Mase]

MLT says it is the only time he did it. We wil of course believe that but to many who are not so devoted they may well say 'Yeah right'

 

Those who do not believe must be Pompey fans.

[Scummer]

MLT says it is the only time he did it. We wil of course believe that but to many who are not so devoted they may well say 'Yeah right'

 

I think you're overestimating how many people give a monkeys.

[londonsaint1604]

Maybe it's not true or just embellished to make his book more appealing.

[Lets B Avenue]

My only disappointment is that he didn't tell my mate, who was his next-door neighbour at the time, so as we could have had a piece of it as well.

 

I thought the teams current form had provoked an "over the top" reaction on here, but it dosen't bear any comparison to this thread. The worry is that some of these posters might actually be serious. They must live very sheltered lives.

[trousers]

Maybe it's not true or just embellished to make his book more appealing.

 

Indeed. I put forward such a theory on page 1 or 2 of this thread a couple of days ago.

 

You can picture the scene now...

 

Publisher: "Matt, there's nothing controversial in here. Any suggestions as to what we could add to spice it up a bit?"

 

Matt: "hmm....not sure....hang on, there was that time I nearly got caught up in a betting scam but decided to give it a wide berth"

 

Publisher: "sounds interesting, tell us more"

 

Matt: "well, they wanted me to boot the ball out from the kick off to win a spread bet but I told them where to go"

 

Publisher: "hang on....As it was so long ago, how about we tell the story as if it happened....should get us a few more books sold....no harm done eh?"

 

Matt: "hmmm, not sure about that. But you're the publishing experts....if you say it's ok and the lawyers give it the green light then I guess there's nothing to lose"

 

Publishers: "ok, sorted. Leave it with us"

[OldNick]

My only disappointment is that he didn't tell my mate, who was his next-door neighbour at the time, so as we could have had a piece of it as well.

 

I thought the teams current form had provoked an "over the top" reaction on here, but it dosen't bear any comparison to this thread. The worry is that some of these posters might actually be serious. They must live very sheltered lives.

your mate wasnt in the dentistry business.As friends of mine were his neighbours when he lived in West End

[OldNick]

Indeed. I put forward such a theory on page 1 or 2 of this thread a couple of days ago.

 

You can picture the scene now...

 

Publisher: "Matt, there's nothing controversial in here. Any suggestions as to what we could add to spice it up a bit?"

 

Matt: "hmm....not sure....hang on, there was that time I nearly got caught up in a betting scam but decided to give it a wide berth"

 

Publisher: "sounds interesting, tell us more"

 

Matt: "well, they wanted me to boot the ball out from the kick off to win a spread bet but I told them where to go"

 

Publisher: "hang on....As it was so long ago, how about we tell the story as if it happened....should get us a few more books sold....no harm done eh?"

 

Matt: "hmmm, not sure about that. But you're the publishing experts....if you say it's ok and the lawyers give it the green light then I guess there's nothing to lose"

 

Publishers: "ok, sorted. Leave it with us"

yep could be true.I would have thought he could have put up someting a bit more exciting. Like the day he saw a top England(add nation of choice)international sniffing cocaine, whilst having se# with a man woman and dog, and then state ' but I can never break his trust and say who it is.' That would much more likely get attention, the press would love it and MLT would have loads more books sold as people search for the slightest clue who it might be.

[hypochondriac]

You never ever did anything stupid without realising it?

 

How could you not realise that that is a stupid thing to do? And no I have never done anything like that.

[Lets B Avenue]

your mate wasnt in the dentistry business.As friends of mine were his neighbours when he lived in West End

 

This was from his "Bursledon Green" days and he played occasionally for our evening league cricket team.

 

How could you not realise that that is a stupid thing to do? And no I have never done anything like that.

 

I rest my case, made earlier.

[londonsaint1604]

yep could be true.I would have thought he could have put up someting a bit more exciting. Like the day he saw a top England(add nation of choice)international sniffing cocaine, whilst having se# with a man woman and dog, and then state ' but I can never break his trust and say who it is.' That would much more likely get attention, the press would love it and MLT would have loads more books sold as people search for the slightest clue who it might be.

 

He's saving that for the sequel.

 

It does sound a bit suspect to me, considering the convenient fact that he neither won nor lost anything from the bet.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

There is a huge difference between caring about the issue, integrity in sport, and villofying MLT for one very minor misdemeanour, which in fact led him to realise that integrity was important, a lesson welll learned.

 

I'm afraid I already question the motives of much in sport, the more that big money comes in and pervades the game we all love, the more correupt it is. But this is nothing new. Players were suspended for life in the 1950s for match fixing allegations, there have been scandals involving Lou Macari and as well know Brucey, and many many others. To read some of the patently silly remarks on here by some holier than thou goody 2 shoes, you would think that the idea of a betting scam had been invented by MLT. Nothing could be further from the truth. This sort of thing was clearly rampant, in the 90s when spread betting became popular and before the authorities clamped down. The thing we have learned from this is that MLT was so naive that having tried this thing once, it scarde the **** out of him when he realised how much he could have lost, and never got involved again. That is the salutary lesson others should be picking up on, and possibly why he mentioned it in his book. Matt wasn't even the instigator of this as far as I can tell, more ikely it was Flash, but almost the whole team were in on it, just a shame someone forgot to tell Shipps.

 

I can't believe some of the nonsense being written on here about MLT, and role models (or even roll models). My hero in the 60s was Micky Channon, he was my role model, hence I turned to drinking when I realised that my heroes of the day were all out on the lash every night (not just Mick, but ossie etc). And if you believe that about me then you would believe anything. Because MLT made one dodgy bet does not make him any less of a role model to youngsters today, it shows he was human, and got involved in the sort of things that 99.9% of people get involved with at some time. The role model point is that he saw the error of his ways very quickly and learned that this was not the sort of thing that should be done, teach your kids to learn from their mistakes and you will have taught them a useful life lesson.

 

If you want to get hung up about corruption in football then pay more attention to the likes of things going on at Chelski, real corruption, not just financial but also corruption of a minor.

 

You know my friend I actually agree with nearly all of the above , the only element I can't accept is that because our game has manifestly greater corruption at its very heart (both historically and today) this means MLT's actions should be overlooked or somehow excused . It's really not much of a defence saying "they're all at it guv" - at least that's not a argument any decent barrister would use in court with a realistic expectation of success .

 

I'm not interested in 'vilifying' MLT , despite this error of judgment he was and remains a far better man than me (and quite a few others on here I guess) , all I can say is that when a friend strays off the 'straight and narrow' their true pals tell them so , to do otherwise does them no favours .

 

My final word on the subject (hooray! I hear) is that if the price of freedom is eternal vigilance then the price of a 'clean' game should be an ingrained intolerance of corruption (however minor) throughout the game .

[hypochondriac]

He's saving that for the sequel.

 

It does sound a bit suspect to me, considering the convenient fact that he neither won nor lost anything from the bet.

 

I'm not going over the top, I'm just a bit disappointed that he chose to act like that. For a short period his focus was not on winning the game but on making money. Nothing major but I feel a bit disappointed. Is that wrong of me to feel that way? And I've been the one defending MLT for so long from the likes of 19C!

[Thedelldays]

I'm not going over the top, I'm just a bit disappointed that he chose to act like that. For a short period his focus was not on winning the game but on making money. Nothing major but I feel a bit disappointed. Is that wrong of me to feel that way? And I've been the one defending MLT for so long from the likes of 19C!

i do too...wont take away from his skills as a footballer and what he did...but this is a bit of a let down..

[chrisobee]

Dennis Lillee and Rod Marsh bet against their own team and yet they're still living legends in Aus.

 

Some people are overreacting a bit.

 

And their team lost as it was the "Botham test" in 1981 I believe in question when they were able to get 500/1 on an England win !

[chrisobee]

Purely by chance this was written in 1995!

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/is-sport-gambling-with-its-credibility-1574187.html

[Window Cleaner]

Dear All

 

Details of a great Charity Golf day are posted on a different page/thread. Having spoken to the co-ordinator of the charity last night, I know he is approx 12 players short of target. If there are any golfers amongst you who would enjoy a bit of friendly banter between saints & pompey over 27 holes, a bit of food, a few drinks etc, then please contact Neil ASAP. Closing date for late entries is mid-day on Monday since everything goes to print on Monday evening in readiness for Wednesday's event. For the golfers amongst you, this really is a good day - the last few years have been crackers. And of course for anyone with any other agenda, you could have a quiet word (within reason!) and ask me and Matt anything that's on your mind........

 

A quick word about the charity itself. In July 2002, a 15 year boy, Richard Bowler, collapsed whilst training with his local football club. He suffered a massive brain haemorrhage, never regained consciousness and died the following day. Rich was a Saints fan, not that that should matter. The emotion which followed Rich's death seen waves on donations made to the Wessex Neuro centre, and after some time, Neil Westbrook (who was Rich's parents friend and next door neighbour of some years), closed his own business down so he could dedicate his life to saving others. The Charity raises money for equipment, projects, research etc and really does improve peoples lives. I can't remember the exact figure, but one of the most recent patients has seen fits/seizures reduce from in excess of 100 a day to just 2. As a parent of a disabled child, I know very well what a difference this must make to these families, and sufferers alike.

 

Right, that's enough of the morbid stuff. This will be a great day, we'd love to see you there so if you can spare the time, fancy a bit of fun, and unwittingly help the charity, please contact Neil

 

All the best, and best of luck with your new signings. I really really hope Saturday marks the start of the season 'proper' with a win.

 

Regards

Tony

 

Any betting on this golf Tony?

[Kevtherev]

Like they don't employ Merson - who had drink, drug and Gambling Addictions - Merson has now turned into quite a good role model as he has got himself turned round!!! .... Of course then there was David Pleat who got knabbed Kerb Crawling... oh sorry - he is actually on Radio five Live! Brucey... oh actually on Hells Kitchen and came across as a decent guy and now does a tongue in cheek ad for a book makers.....

 

.... Get in the real world my friend!!!! - These things are generally only five minute wonders. Add to the list -

 

Lee Hughes

Graham Rix

****ana

and every one else on the planet......

 

Point taken I submit!

[Elmore]

It just seems unprofessional and I am disappointed that at the start of the match his mind was on his bet rather than focussing on winning the game.

 

But is is hardly crime of the century.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

So it seems you can justify speeding which can and does kill, affairs which can and do wreck lives including those of innocent kids yet this betting scam is apparently worse. What strange values people have.

 

What strange interpretations of posts some people have, I did not and do not condone speeding, I did not and do not condone affairs, equally, I do not condone professional sportsman, who can influence the result/outcome, betting on the same.

As posted earlier no offence was committed by MLT and it was not I that threw offences into the mix, by your reaction to my post I will assume you are a traffic cop whose wife has cheated on him.

[OldNick]

What strange interpretations of posts some people have, I did not and do not condone speeding, I did not and do not condone affairs, equally, I do not condone professional sportsman, who can influence the result/outcome, betting on the same.

As posted earlier no offence was committed by MLT and it was not I that threw offences into the mix, by your reaction to my post I will assume you are a traffic cop whose wife has cheated on him.

after parking on double yellow lines Im now parking on emergency vehicle only areas.My mate reckons I should leave the car on the ambulances only parking at the hospital it is tempting but Im not sure, he keeps telling me I should

[chrisobee]

What strange interpretations of posts some people have, I did not and do not condone speeding, I did not and do not condone affairs, equally, I do not condone professional sportsman, who can influence the result/outcome, betting on the same.

As posted earlier no offence was committed by MLT and it was not I that threw offences into the mix, by your reaction to my post I will assume you are a traffic cop whose wife has cheated on him.

 

Wrong on both counts and I chose to interpret the thread as it read to me in the same way you chose to assume wrongly my own reasons for being anti speeding and anti affairs.It might just be something to do with the fact a very good friend of mine was killed by a speeding motorist and I have seen many, too many lives wrecked by affairs.

[trousers]

Is this thread still going?

[hypochondriac]

It just seems unprofessional and I am disappointed that at the start of the match his mind was on his bet rather than focussing on winning the game.

 

But is is hardly crime of the century.

 

That is my thought too.

[Legod Third Coming]

If God is corrupt like MLT was in this instance, there is a great case for atheism

 

Er that is the God who sent his only son to die, banished the angels from heaven, and sent pestilence and flood to kill millions upon earth and denied me immortality because Adam could not resist a juicy red one...

 

Yeah, ferking great role model he is.

[trousers]

It just seems unprofessional and I am disappointed that at the start of the match his mind was on his bet rather than focussing on winning the game.

 

 

Given we won the game 2-1 with an MLT goal, if that's how we performed when a player wasn't 'focused on the game' then just think how bloomin' brilliant we would have been with 100% concentration.

[bug187]

Its a bit dissapoiting but hes still my hero and always will be

[dune]

I couldn't give a f*ck.

 

MLT = Legend.

[once_bitterne]

Police now involved!!!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8250042.stm

 

He should have kept his mouth shut....

[John B]

I couldn't give a f*ck.

 

MLT = Legend.

 

I think MLT may well be a legend but he does seem to be a bit of a Pratt

[INFLUENCED.COM]

"Hampshire Police said the matter was still in its early stages and was not yet a formal investigation."

 

When thieves broke into my shed and stole a considerable amount of goods, it didn't even get to the "early stages", strange how resources are directed.

[once_bitterne]

"Hampshire Police said the matter was still in its early stages and was not yet a formal investigation."

 

When thieves broke into my shed and stole a considerable amount of goods, it didn't even get to the "early stages", strange how resources are directed.

 

I guess they think they have more chance of convicting MLT than the Shed robbers....

[Teddy Nutkins]

Had an awfull feeling this was going to go the way it's going.Silly , silly man.

Edited 11 September, 2009 by Teddy Nutkins
bad granma

[once_bitterne]

Had an awfull feeling this was going to go the way it going.Silly , silly man.

 

 

As much as a genius on the field he does seem to be a bit of a plum of it... Everything he has touched outside of football seems to have gone pair shaped, the niteclub/flap dancing venue, the legends web site, the Pinnacle farce and now this!

[Armitage Shanks]

A quite appalling lack of judgment from MLT in not just placing the bet in the first place but compounded ten times over by putting it in his autobiography. I would not want to get into business with anyone who lacked such judgment and the new folks at Southampton probably think the same. I would say that this has ended MLT's chances of ever having a position of responsibility or high authority at SFC.

[Teddy Nutkins]

As much as a genius on the field he does seem to be a bit of a plum of it... Everything he has touched outside of football seems to have gone pair shaped, the niteclub/flap dancing venue, the legends web site, the Pinnacle farce and now this!

 

Sadly i have to agree.I saw lots of strange stuff during my time, but people were switched on enough to keep stum, let alone write it in a book.That of course doesn't make what they did acceptable.

[derry]

Sadly i have to agree.I saw lots of strange stuff during my time, but people were switched on enough to keep stum, let alone write it in a book.That of course doesn't make what they did acceptable.

 

The whole thing begs the question did this type of thing happen regularly and was this only because of it's failure that it became tellable.