trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 so more of a fibber than scammer? Can't see why MLT would mention it or allow it to be included unless it was totally accurate. Graham Hiley wouldn't make it up either. Making money by defrauding the bookies and then making money telling the world about it seems a very strange thing to do by a man happier to stay in Soton than to follow the available cash. I'm not saying I'm delighted with the morals of those who sensaltionalise and exaggerate stories in their biographies. I'm simply acknowledging that it's the 'done thing' in the interests of selling as many copies as possible and then moving on to more important matters such as world peace and famine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I can't be arsed to read all those goody-two-shoes prudes who have no doubt lambasted my hero for this, but as a punter myself let me say... fecking good on you Tiss!! When bookies come up with these daft bets to fleece punters they deserve to get fecking clobbered by those who can control the outcome. It's not like he laid his horse to lose on Betfair and then had it pulled.. Could that go on??? Yeah, every fecking day!!!!!!!!! Bloody Betfair should be outlawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 You wont find a stronger supporter of MLT a footballer than me.I feel he is ditrying his name for a few more quid.Not a nice picture IMO "Succès de scandale" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale The archetypal example of succès de scandale in art is Stravinsky's ballet Le Sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring) , which premiered in 1913 by the Ballets Russes. In the high days of the Belle Époque, the public attending this premiere was so scandalised by the brutal sounds produced by the orchestra and the evocation of a blood sacrifice on stage that a riot broke out. A shower of bad press and criticism followed, but Stravinsky kept aloof, as if he knew that overnight he had become the most famous composer of the 20th century. He would never have to return to scandalous music again; he moved to chamber music and the neoclassical style for the next few years, nothing that could upset large audiences. From what he said years later — the Sacre du Printemps had eventually been turned into a Disney classic — he appeared certain that none were better than him at exploiting a scandal for success. C'est la vie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I can't be arsed to read all those goody-two-shoes prudes who have no doubt lambasted my hero for this, but as a punter myself let me say... fecking good on you Tiss!! When bookies come up with these daft bets to fleece punters they deserve to get fecking clobbered by those who can control the outcome. It's not like he laid his horse to lose on Betfair and then had it pulled.. Could that go on??? Yeah, every fecking day!!!!!!!!! Bloody Betfair should be outlawed.Kicking a ball into touch in the first minute could be seen as harmless, and of course it was his only time. There again i doubt anybody would have believed he'd get involved in that this time last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 You wont find a stronger supporter of MLT a footballer than me.I feel he is ditrying his name for a few more quid.Not a nice picture IMO Matty's next book: "Get rich or Ditrying" (coat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I think he should be hung out to dry for this one, how the f*ck can somebody of Matts ability fail to find row z FFS. Did he cheat? Probably but who cares - it was a bookie at the end of the day. Gifting the other side a throw in, during the first 60 seconds of a game, is hardly likely to have any significant effect on that game. I really can't get too moralistic about this one to be honest, because if I think about it for a while, I have probably done much worse things in my life - therefore I can't mount my trusty steed over this one - can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 "Succès de scandale" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale The archetypal example of succès de scandale in art is Stravinsky's ballet Le Sacre du printemps (The Rite of Spring) , which premiered in 1913 by the Ballets Russes. In the high days of the Belle Époque, the public attending this premiere was so scandalised by the brutal sounds produced by the orchestra and the evocation of a blood sacrifice on stage that a riot broke out. A shower of bad press and criticism followed, but Stravinsky kept aloof, as if he knew that overnight he had become the most famous composer of the 20th century. He would never have to return to scandalous music again; he moved to chamber music and the neoclassical style for the next few years, nothing that could upset large audiences. From what he said years later — the Sacre du Printemps had eventually been turned into a Disney classic — he appeared certain that none were better than him at exploiting a scandal for success. C'est la vie....Make all the excuses you like, but IMO there is no excuse.So he was only hurting bookies, if they are so evil ban them. I am very disappointed that somebody I have been so proud of can now be seen as a betting cheat.It will harm him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 A mate who's read the book told me about this a few days ago and I laughed. I laughed again when I read the linked article. It really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Matty's next book: "Get rich or Ditrying" (coat) can I order a copy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 This will damage in the short term MLT's reputation and I am very disappointed in him. He has made 2 very poor business decisions this year. But he's still my hero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 You wont find a stronger supporter of MLT a footballer than me.I feel he is ditrying his name for a few more quid.Not a nice picture IMO Dirtying his name Nick? Or perhaps giving the reader an insight into some of the things that went on, but were not widely in the public domain. Books are meant to be informative - tell you the things that you didn't know and perhaps confirm some of your assumptions. Vetting books to include only the 'clean cut' image is all well and good - but arguably, by leaving out the 'dirty bits' is again cheating the fans, is it not? Damned if he does, damned if he does not. Disagree that it is not a nice picture - the picture has just not been airbrushed beyond the truth - know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Kicking a ball into touch in the first minute could be seen as harmless, and of course it was his only time. There again i doubt anybody would have believed he'd get involved in that this time last week. Er, you wouldn't have believed footballer on 4k per week would belt the ball into touch for 10k? Welcome to Earth Nicholas, where is you've been staying???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 (edited) Make all the excuses you like, but IMO there is no excuse.So he was only hurting bookies, if they are so evil ban them. I am very disappointed that somebody I have been so proud of can now be seen as a betting cheat.It will harm him. If, for argument's sake, your son had once shoplifted, and not told you at the time, but instantly realised the error of his ways and turned out to be a model citizen, would you not still be proud of him if one day he came to you and said, "Dad, when I was younger I nicked something from a shop but realised it was wrong and only did it once" ? It would actually make me more proud of him to think that he was able to see the error of his ways and vow not to do it again. And on that logical note, the thread may now be closed. Thanks Edited 3 September, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I am now lead to think of what else he has done that he hasn't told us. He has opened a can of worms 4 reasons I fail to understand. Money is something that MLT should not be desperate 4 unless he has a betting problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Make all the excuses you like, but IMO there is no excuse.So he was only hurting bookies, if they are so evil ban them. I am very disappointed that somebody I have been so proud of can now be seen as a betting cheat.It will harm him. Bookies are not evil, but they set out to deprive you of money. That is their raison d'etre. Some of them do it quite mischeviously. They live and die by information and misinformation. With spread betting they recognised a great way to deprive punters of potentially unlimited losses. They rubbed their hands with glee. That a few footballers (and there were plenty of them!!) saw a way to cheat the system quite legally is brilliant. I notice very few bookies bet on the time of the first throw-in any more. I wonder why... No doubt bookies will claim to be victims. I wonder though, if we all went long on the throw, would they phone up one of their customers and ask him to do them a favour in return for reducing his sizable liability... Of course not, a bookie, bend or break the rules, ever?? Hush my mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I am now lead to think of what else he has done that he hasn't told us. He has opened a can of worms 4 reasons I fail to understand. "Taking Le p1ss, Volume 2".....in all good bookshops 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Unfortunate that he has made this public. Shocking to find out one of your heroes was less than honest, however the biggest shock is that it is deemed OK to publish it for the world to see. He will probably now be remembered by the general public more for this gaff than for his football skills and that is a real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 He will probably now be remembered by the general public more for this gaff than for his football skills I respectfully disagree. Q: What is Ian Botham most famous for? Q: What is Gazza most famous for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I respectfully disagree. Q: What is Ian Botham most famous for? Being the best all rounder ever to play cricket, and raising ten million for Luekemia Q: What is Gazza most famous for? Being a drunk Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Your point? Bugger, you've just disproved my theory....and we're on the same side on this one! Well, half disproved.....I notice that you didn't mention one of the many scandals that Botham got bad press for....almost a good analogy Trousers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Colin, thats an understandable assumption to make, no offense taken. Let me put it this way. MLT was on, I believe, 4k a week at the time. Now, the 10k he would have won would be about 2.5 weeks money. Using that, a similar scenario would be to offer me £3 to pull off something 'dodgy' but minor at my work. If you consider what could have happened to MLT if he had been caught at the time, the pay off is nowhere near enough to warrant the risk. Im not saying I wouldnt have thought twice about it, Im human after all with a family to look after; but I still think that when you bring inthe risk, morals and legality of it, I would have turned the chance down. You need to get another job mate Do they really pay you just £1.20 a week :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Hmmm, one has to wonder what if that throw in led to an opposition goal? It's not a big deal in my opinion as he done far far more good than he did bad, but I'd still rather not have known. Ah well, still a legend - and, I've said this about Let Tiss before: you're forgiven Matt, but not forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint George Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Fair play to Matty for being honest about it....At the end of the day it really isn't much different to taking a office pen home or a bag of cement or 4x2 or similar...sure, its wrong, but everyone's done it at some point in their lives.....Matty's human and humans are failable....even the God like hero ones.....Not so many are prepared to admit to their failings though. It was never going to effect the result in any way and if the bookies were driven by so much greed that they allowed their selves to be 'that easily' exploited, what can they expect? Sure, if he had gone on to become a serial "punter" or did anything that could have effected the result in any way, then i'd have a different view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Am i going to get worked up over a throw in 14 years ago?? F*ck no, who gives a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 shame to find out that one of the club's heroes is in essence just a common cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 You need to get another job mate Do they really pay you just £1.20 a week :shock: Im confused now as I dont know what number I actually meant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Bugger, you've just disproved my theory....and we're on the same side on this one! Well, half disproved.....I notice that you didn't mention one of the many scandals that Botham got bad press for....almost a good analogy Trousers! Beefy was a rogue who rogered page 3 girls, slipped past his father-in-law on tour to get ****ed up and smoke dope in the Caribbean and eventually had the old bill turn his gaff over to find half a marijuana plant! (allegedly..) But, above and beyond all that is that he won the Ashes, raises millions for charity, speaks his mind and is a bloody nice bloke to have a beer with. Our heroes are not immune from life and failure. George Best - what's he famous for? Depends who you are doesn't it. And how old and your view on life. I never saw him play and can marvel at his ability. I thought he was a drunk and then saw a superb drama about his mum, who was also an alcaholic and suddenly your view changes, you know? As for Le Tiss, he was a naughty boy - big deal. Did he spend the following day beating up his missus? Or at a cancer hospital making someone's life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Hmmm, one has to wonder what if that throw in led to an opposition goal? Hmmm, what if the lack of a throw-in led to an opposition goal? The actual act of par-taking in the betting scam may have avoided MLT being dispossessed in the middle of the park and conceding a goal on the break. Which all means MLT is a hero again....hoorah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 If, for argument's sake, your son had once shoplifted, and not told you at the time, but instantly realised the error of his ways and turned out to be a model citizen, would you not still be proud of him if one day he came to you and said, "Dad, when I was younger I nicked something from a shop but realised it was wrong and only did it once" ? It would actually make me more proud of him to think that he was able to see the error of his ways and vow not to do it again. And on that logical note, the thread may now be closed. Thanksif the kid was 10 or 12 i accept it, as a 25 year old, Im not so sure. I am disappointed and he will always be a footballing god IMO. If it was Lee Todd or Ricardo Fuller they would not get such a soft ride on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Hmmm, what if the lack of a throw-in led to an opposition goal? The actual act of par-taking in the betting scam may have avoided MLT being dispossessed in the middle of the park and conceding a goal on the break. Which all means MLT is a hero again....hoorah! a well played devil's advocate stroke, Sir, I doff my hat to you! Hoorah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 We won the match 2-1 btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waggy Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Matty's next book: "Get rich or Ditrying" (coat) lol, peessed meself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 if the kid was 10 or 12 i accept it, as a 25 year old, Im not so sure. I am disappointed and he will always be a footballing god IMO. If it was Lee Todd or Ricardo Fuller they would not get such a soft ride on here. They would from me. Guess which manager encouraged his players to have a whip round to win money no exactly the same bet... three guesses... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 lol, peessed meself I dont understand it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 They would from me. Guess which manager encouraged his players to have a whip round to win money no exactly the same bet... three guesses... lolBally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Wheres 19C - he'd love this thread! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 shame really.....real shame his first thought was to give the ball away when we kicked off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 shame really.....real shame his first thought was to give the ball away when we kicked off.. It’s a shame he bothered to keep us up all those years as well I guess? It’s a shame he gave me and many others some of the best memories of my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewStiles Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 How about the ridiculous sending off against liverpool live on Sky. Remember that 2nd tackle on Babb? Of course it was innocent but you wouldnt be surprised if people now go back looking at certain incidents and jump to conclusion. That incident is in the book. If I remember rightly, Matty was asked by Dave M to play a holding midfield type role which meant that he had to make more tackles than normal. Not being the greatest of tacklers, some of those tackles went in late hence the bookings. Luckily the press isn't making too much of this story really. I would be gutted for Matt if he lost his job with Sky Sports News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Bally? Nah! Well, maybe him as well but not whom I heard... from a reliable source (ie a bookmaker!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 shame really.....real shame his first thought was to give the ball away when we kicked off.. Give it a rest. Do you hang around outside Mother Theresa's hoping that when they clear out her bottom drawer they will find a copy of Big Boy Monthly?? Honestly, some of you people need to get over yourselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Give it a rest. Do you hang around outside Mother Theresa's hoping that when they clear out her bottom drawer they will find a copy of Big Boy Monthly?? Honestly, some of you people need to get over yourselves! so, are you dont mind a saints player betting on a game that he is directly involved in, knowing that every point was massibely vital...where his firth thought at kick off was how quickly he (and another) could give the ball away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 shame really.....real shame his first thought was to give the ball away when we kicked off.. TDD.......................(Not trying to be funny) It was a tactic we used EVERY kick off at home. A few people have mentioned it on this thread and i can't be bothered to type it again, but we did..... other teams do it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 TDD.......................(Not trying to be funny) It was a tactic we used EVERY kick off at home. A few people have mentioned it on this thread and i can't be bothered to type it again, but we did..... other teams do it as well. what..purposely kick the ball out..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 so, are you dont mind a saints player betting on a game that he is directly involved in, knowing that every point was massibely vital...where his firth thought at kick off was how quickly he (and another) could give the ball away... You’re making something which is actually very minor into something major… He got offered the chance to get 4 months wages for kicking a ball out of touch. If given the opportunity, I think the majority of people would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 You’re making something which is actually very minor into something major… He got offered the chance to get 4 months wages for kicking a ball out of touch. If given the opportunity, I think the majority of people would do it. so, arry is OK to make a dodgy transfer to get 4 months salary when at saints..as he was accused as much..after all, majority of people would do it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 what..purposely kick the ball out..? Well you always sent a winger to chase it down but invaribly yes. Close to the corner flag, game restarts deep in the opposition half. You always mention about watching Le Tiss, well if you watched him at home games, you would have seen this at every home game for nearly 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 so, arry is OK to make a dodgy transfer to get 4 months salary when at saints..as he was accused as much..after all, majority of people would do it.. There is a big difference between kicking a ball into the stands and making a dodgy transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 I respectfully disagree. Q: What is Ian Botham most famous for? Q: What is Gazza most famous for? A : Walking the length of Britain and playing for Scvnthorpe. B : Worldwide, crying in a World Cup Semi-Final. In Britain, probably scuffing the ball past Andy Goram in 1996. In Norway... Actually I just asked my bird, and she said "cricket" and "football, crying and leg-breakingness". Either way, I don't get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 September, 2009 Share Posted 3 September, 2009 Well you always sent a winger to chase it down but invaribly yes. Close to the corner flag, game restarts deep in the opposition half. You always mention about watching Le Tiss, well if you watched him at home games, you would have seen this at every home game for nearly 3 seasons. there is one thing where a player messed up and let the ball go out. there is another when a player deliberately tried to give the ball away..and (in the case mentioned) the player he tried to kick it over kept it in and Le Tiss and Watson set about to get the ball off the said saintd player to kick it out...so trying TWICE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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