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Is this 19 canteen by any chance? or a jealous skate

 

ramjampuddyfatbenifittaker, SOUTHAMPTON says...

6:04pm Tue 22 Sep 09

 

as always. a liar a cheat and a goal hanger. i have never seen this man make a decent run at the goal, but he has hung around the goal mouth a lot waiting for opportunities! hope one day he gets his card marked as have mr lowe etc etc. le god my a**e more like dracula who lives off the good players.

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Is this 19 canteen by any chance? or a jealous skate

 

ramjampuddyfatbenifittaker, SOUTHAMPTON says...

6:04pm Tue 22 Sep 09

 

as always. a liar a cheat and a goal hanger. i have never seen this man make a decent run at the goal, but he has hung around the goal mouth a lot waiting for opportunities! hope one day he gets his card marked as have mr lowe etc etc. le god my a**e more like dracula who lives off the good players.

 

Sounds like a Tongue in cheek extract from his own book...

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Hardly an acquital though is it based for example on lack of evidence, seems to me its just that the police don't have the resource in light of more pressing needs and you can appreciate that. IMO there must have been some cause of an investgation as why did teh Police consider worth going to the CPS in the first place?

 

The reasonable questions I have been asking all along remain unanswered and MLT has badly damaged or at least called into question his integrity and judgement. All this of course following on from Pinnacle and the many unanswered questions regards alleged time wasting whilst not forgetting his bizzare parameters for recruiting a new manager - no one who is not an ex-Saint need apply - plain lazy or box office potential? You decide.

 

Looks like we are somewhat unsatisfactorily done here and unless he provides a full and frank explanation now the case has been dropped then I sincerely hope he is not offered any role, honoury or otherwise at the club.

 

Anyone want to buy a pristine copy of his book or do you prefer to wait to find out if it's fact or fiction? For a small consideration + P&P I will happily send it to you, I 'll sign it if you like.

 

Matt Le Tissier Le God? I'm afraid at the moment I am somewhat agnostic and expect to remain that way as he will IMO keep his counsel and arrogantly and dismissively continue to trade off that unblemished reputation. A great shame but lots to look forward to even if we have a recent past worth forgetting.

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Hardly an acquital though is it based for example on lack of evidence, seems to me its just that the police don't have the resource in light of more pressing needs and you can appreciate that. IMO there must have been some cause of an investgation as why did teh Police consider worth going to the CPS in the first place?

 

The reasonable questions I have been asking all along remain unanswered and MLT has badly damaged or at least called into question his integrity and judgement. All this of course following on from Pinnacle and the many unanswered questions regards alleged time wasting whilst not forgetting his bizzare parameters for recruiting a new manager - no one who is not an ex-Saint need apply - plain lazy or box office potential? You decide.

 

Looks like we are somewhat unsatisfactorily done here and unless he provides a full and frank explanation now the case has been dropped then I sincerely hope he is not offered any role, honoury or otherwise at the club.

 

Anyone want to buy a pristine copy of his book or do you prefer to wait to find out if it's fact or fiction? For a small consideration + P&P I will happily send it to you, I 'll sign it if you like.

 

Matt Le Tissier Le God? I'm afraid at the moment I am somewhat agnostic and expect to remain that way as he will IMO keep his counsel and arrogantly and dismissively continue to trade off that unblemished reputation. A great shame but lots to look forward to even if we have a recent past worth forgetting.

 

This is only a guess, and I'm by no means an authority on this website, but I have a faint idea that you might just be in the minority on this one.

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Hardly an acquital though is it based for example on lack of evidence, seems to me its just that the police don't have the resource in light of more pressing needs and you can appreciate that. IMO there must have been some cause of an investgation as why did teh Police consider worth going to the CPS in the first place?

 

The reasonable questions I have been asking all along remain unanswered and MLT has badly damaged or at least called into question his integrity and judgement. All this of course following on from Pinnacle and the many unanswered questions regards alleged time wasting whilst not forgetting his bizzare parameters for recruiting a new manager - no one who is not an ex-Saint need apply - plain lazy or box office potential? You decide.

 

Looks like we are somewhat unsatisfactorily done here and unless he provides a full and frank explanation now the case has been dropped then I sincerely hope he is not offered any role, honoury or otherwise at the club.

 

Anyone want to buy a pristine copy of his book or do you prefer to wait to find out if it's fact or fiction? For a small consideration + P&P I will happily send it to you, I 'll sign it if you like.

 

Matt Le Tissier Le God? I'm afraid at the moment I am somewhat agnostic and expect to remain that way as he will IMO keep his counsel and arrogantly and dismissively continue to trade off that unblemished reputation. A great shame but lots to look forward to even if we have a recent past worth forgetting.

your'e gutted aren't you? :D

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If I were MLT's lawyer, my advice would be 'let it rest' and naturally it will fade away !

Anything said from now on would not be of benefit to anyone, particularly not Matt himself. It was a mistake to include it in the book and yet another lesson learnt in life's great journey !

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your'e gutted aren't you? :D

 

Ok, this is the last I am going to say on the MLT betting scandal and if I am gutted it is because he felt it necessary to get involved in such a thing in the first place and second that he chose to tell us all about it, in his 'taking le tiss' dismissive style.

 

This decision by the CPS does not IMO exonerate MLT in any way whatsoever from his admission.

 

The real issue and reason to be gutted is that the police and the CPS seemingly don't have the resources in this country to bring a case against those suspected of crimes to account for their actions in a court of law. IMO these crimes can be from the low level nuisance variety through to more complex and historic fraud to give the term 'betting scam' it's more appropriate name IMO.

 

If this had been a Porstmouth or a Man U player for example would we be so happy about it? It simply doubles the sadness not the relief or joy that it was one of own and probably the most lauded of them all.

 

If the CPS had taken on the case, (the police must have been confident there was one otherwise why take it to the CPS?) then MLT would have had the opportunity to clear his name somewhat more satisfactorily than being allowed to keep his counsel under a 'public resource' issue. Perhaps those who feel hard done by Le Tissier's admission, made worse off the back of the Pinnacle debacle, is that whilst the carpet is being tacked back down the alleged objective of selling more books has to date backfired.

 

How many of those 40 pages of messages from the general public were real and if so how many wish now they had changed the wording? Was it arrogant ego to publish those (never seen the like in other books from far bigger stars) or to give his fans a chance to have their say as he suggested? Personally, I won't be applauding the next time he walks into the stadium, I gave more and all before with regards to my respect for MLT and expected more in return. Overly principled? Maybe, but IMO a man without integrity is worse and in any walk of life supporting knowledge without integrity is foolish.

 

Cheats should never prosper and MLT is no modern day Robin Hood IMO.

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This isn't about principles, 19. It's about you gnawing away at something that's become an obsession. And you've been tugging at it so hard and long that you've lost sight of what Le Tiss is to Southampton fans.

 

I don't know how many other ways to say it about this 'controversy': it doesn't matter.

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How many of those 40 pages of messages from the general public were real and if so how many wish now they had changed the wording?

 

What exactly are you saying? Are you implying that some of those names or messages are fabricated?

 

I very much doubt that any of those people who had messages published would change their opinion one jot. As far as I can see, you're the only person completely unable to divorce your opinions judging him as a player and as an individual.

 

Although you stated that you'd made your last utterance on the subject, I'm sure that you can be excused if you respond, as others might well be interested to read an explanation for the bit I quoted from you.

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Ok, this is the last I am going to say on the MLT betting scandal ....

 

How many of those 40 pages of messages from the general public were real

 

 

PMSL

 

For this nonsense please read:

 

Even I am so embarrassed by the rubbish that I have been writing on this thread that I am stopping. Wes and others have run complete rings round me but I am not man enough to confess this ... but before I go let me throw one more unsubstantiated slur into the melting pot.

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Back on Soccer Saturday then?

 

Would appear not. This week Tony Cottee joins the usual panellists and it's interesting to note MLT's blog and 'expert opinion' has been removed form the Sky website. 2+2 = 5 or is there a more simple explanation depending which way you look at it?

 

 

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/0,25219,12054,00.html

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Would appear not. This week Tony Cottee joins the usual panellists and it's interesting to note MLT's blog and 'expert opinion' has been removed form the Sky website. 2+2 = 5 or is there a more simple explanation depending which way you look at it?

 

 

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/0,25219,12054,00.html

 

Ah! Good evening, 19. Care to answer the question I asked about whether you have any grounds to substantiate your assertion that some of the messages at the back of MLT's book were fabricated?

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Ah! Good evening, 19. Care to answer the question I asked about whether you have any grounds to substantiate your assertion that some of the messages at the back of MLT's book were fabricated?

 

Wes do you have an alarm or something everytime I post? 3 minutes - a bit slow tonight! So do you think MLT has been suspended or resigned or a more simple explanation? So many questions.

 

With regards to your question I would respond by saying can we believe anything Mr Le Tissier says anymore if he was prepared to get involved with the opportunity to allegedly defraud a spread betting form and take le tiss out of the fans by running the hardest he ever has for SFC just to save his own skin? Happy go lucky Maverick or selfish arrogance?

 

I merely asked the question could those 40 pages be verified and anyway which film star, sporting star, political heavyweight has ever had the arrogance to include 40 pages of plaudits from a bunch of unknowns. He has the comments from some well known people and that is fair enough but did some of the greastest biographers and racontuers such as Ustinov, Niven and Johnston (some of my personal favourites) include 40 pages of letters from wellwishers from the general public, as a generous chance to give them a voice?

 

Now you have managed to draw me back into a debate on which I felt i had explained my view enough I do have nothing else to add on the book or Pinnacle on this thread. I do want to discuss what is happening at Sky and would start another thread but the last time i did that I made Pancake a bit cross unintentionally and so I'm keeping this thread going to discuss MLT's contract at Sky and nothing more. Is it over for him at Sky. just suspended or absent due to more mundane reasons? Whatever it doesn't look good.

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PMSL

 

For this nonsense please read:

 

Even I am so embarrassed by the rubbish that I have been writing on this thread that I am stopping. Wes and others have run complete rings round me but I am not man enough to confess this ... but before I go let me throw one more unsubstantiated slur into the melting pot.

 

LOL - it may be rubbish Tame but I am far from embarrassed by my opinions. With regard to my old sparring partner Wes if I hounded him to answer every question of mine that he refuses to acknowledge my post count would have doubled by now. He's like a dog with a bone and yet I get called obsessive, funnily enough it's usually by you almost everyday which makes you.........

How are the Tyramine levels?

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Wes do you have an alarm or something everytime I post? 3 minutes - a bit slow tonight! So do you think MLT has been suspended or resigned or a more simple explanation? So many questions.

 

With regards to your question I would respond by saying can we believe anything Mr Le Tissier says anymore if he was prepared to get involved with the opportunity to allegedly defraud a spread betting form and take le tiss out of the fans by running the hardest he ever has for SFC just to save his own skin? Happy go lucky Maverick or selfish arrogance?

 

I merely asked the question could those 40 pages be verified and anyway which film star, sporting star, political heavyweight has ever had the arrogance to include 40 pages of plaudits from a bunch of unknowns. He has the comments from some well known people and that is fair enough but did some of the greastest biographers and racontuers such as Ustinov, Niven and Johnston (some of my personal favourites) include 40 pages of letters from wellwishers from the general public, as a generous chance to give them a voice?

 

Now you have managed to draw me back into a debate on which I felt i had explained my view enough I do have nothing else to add on the book or Pinnacle on this thread. I do want to discuss what is happening at Sky and would start another thread but the last time i did that I made Pancake a bit cross unintentionally and so I'm keeping this thread going to discuss MLT's contract at Sky and nothing more. Is it over for him at Sky. just suspended or absent due to more mundane reasons? Whatever it doesn't look good.

 

So just to precis your reply on whether MLT fabricated any of those names, you have absolutely no evidence at all, so you make yourself look ridiculous for suggesting it. You are entitled to comment on whether the 40 pages ought to be there, but nothing else.

 

Can we believe anything you say, with your multiple personalities?

 

As for whether MLT is suspended by Sky, who knows? I'm sure all will become clear soon enough, so what is the point of guessing?

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So just to precis your reply on whether MLT fabricated any of those names, you have absolutely no evidence at all, so you make yourself look ridiculous for suggesting it. You are entitled to comment on whether the 40 pages ought to be there, but nothing else.

 

Can we believe anything you say, with your multiple personalities?

 

As for whether MLT is suspended by Sky, who knows? I'm sure all will become clear soon enough, so what is the point of guessing?

 

I have no evidence other than MLT was or was not involved in a fraud but the police did seemingly have enough to go to the CPS with who turned away on lack of evidence? Apparently not but not in the public interest to use Police resources. Do you play Monopoly Wes because I think you'll agree he drew a nice card from the Community Chest this time. Given this knowledge does it not allow us to question his integrity and therefore can we not question that which cannot be easily proven such as 40 pages of well wishes from his adoring public.

 

The only ridiculous thing is those who blindly ignore their hero's shine may be a tad tarnished. Only natural for those with an enquiring mind to start to question some of MLT's recent actions and god forbid we start digging into Pinnacle and the rubbish he has spouted on that affair to date. We need a manager - only ex-saints need apply?!

 

What's the point in guessing about Pompey's trial and tribulations? Just becaue MLT was a legend of this club does not mean we should not be allowed to discuss why he has disappeared from the opinion pages on the SKY website and been off the screens for 3 weeks.

 

BTW Wes you're slipping you took over 8 hours to reply to that post not as good as your usual 3 minutes. ;)

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Whether his shout or not, it is no bad thing he is out of the public eye for the moment and in these circumstances demonstrates good judgement, that said, I hope he does return some time soon as he does a decent job on their and is probably a neutrals favourite too.

Should he make a statement with regard to recent poor judgement ? He may have been advised that, to the majority, it matters not so do not fuel it further.

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I have no evidence other than MLT was or was not involved in a fraud but the police did seemingly have enough to go to the CPS with who turned away on lack of evidence? Apparently not but not in the public interest to use Police resources. Do you play Monopoly Wes because I think you'll agree he drew a nice card from the Community Chest this time. Given this knowledge does it not allow us to question his integrity and therefore can we not question that which cannot be easily proven such as 40 pages of well wishes from his adoring public.

 

The only ridiculous thing is those who blindly ignore their hero's shine may be a tad tarnished. Only natural for those with an enquiring mind to start to question some of MLT's recent actions and god forbid we start digging into Pinnacle and the rubbish he has spouted on that affair to date. We need a manager - only ex-saints need apply?!

 

What's the point in guessing about Pompey's trial and tribulations? Just becaue MLT was a legend of this club does not mean we should not be allowed to discuss why he has disappeared from the opinion pages on the SKY website and been off the screens for 3 weeks.

 

BTW Wes you're slipping you took over 8 hours to reply to that post not as good as your usual 3 minutes. ;)

 

A ball back into my court, but what an easy one to put away.

 

So your justification for concluding that MLT might have fabricated some of those names is based solely on the premise that he digressed in the matter of the betting scam and therefore he is likely to be capable of fabricating these names. So by your code, anybody who was guilty of a minor transgression in the wildness of their youth, anybody convicted of a criminal offence, any reformed drug addict, any or all of them is not allowed any latitude from you for the rest of their life. Furthermore, they will be suspected by you of being guilty of further transgressions fabricated by you as a result of their past behaviour which they might even have admitted that they regretted. :rolleyes:

 

The eight hours that it took me to respond? Simple. I was asleep in my bed. Surely you are intelligent enough to have figured that out for yourself.

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A ball back into my court, but what an easy one to put away.

 

So your justification for concluding that MLT might have fabricated some of those names is based solely on the premise that he digressed in the matter of the betting scam and therefore he is likely to be capable of fabricating these names. So by your code, anybody who was guilty of a minor transgression in the wildness of their youth, anybody convicted of a criminal offence, any reformed drug addict, any or all of them is not allowed any latitude from you for the rest of their life. Furthermore, they will be suspected by you of being guilty of further transgressions fabricated by you as a result of their past behaviour which they might even have admitted that they regretted. :rolleyes:

 

The eight hours that it took me to respond? Simple. I was asleep in my bed. Surely you are intelligent enough to have figured that out for yourself.

 

Alleged fraud, betting or otherwise is not a minor transgression and IMO if you are able to arrogantly carry that off in front of your adoring public then, and I stress IMO, you are probably capable of anything with regards to 'minor transgressions'. I have lost my faith and trust in MLT and whilst that saddens me I doubt he is bothered about my lack of trust one iota as we don't know each other and i am according to you in the minoriity of 1.

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Alleged fraud, betting or otherwise is not a minor transgression and IMO if you are able to arrogantly carry that off in front of your adoring public then, and I stress IMO, you are probably capable of anything with regards to 'minor transgressions'. I have lost my faith and trust in MLT and whilst that saddens me I doubt he is bothered about my lack of trust one iota as we don't know each other and i am according to you in the minoriity of 1.

 

Read it again. The minor transgression was part of a list including convicted criminals and reformed drug addicts. The point that you have missed by a country mile is that these people will for evermore be suspected by you to be capable of further transgressions in other directions, if your train of thought was followed. In your mind, they are not capable of reform, even if they regretted their original misdemeanours.

 

Based on that, who is the arrogant one? As for you losing your faith and trust in MLT, so what? As you say, you don't know him. It's sad that you seem totally incapable of divorcing his abilitities as a footballer from his outside private life. As we are supposed to be football supporters, most of us couldn't care a toss about the players' private lives, provided that it doesn't affect their ability on the pitch. The fact that you do not seem capable of doing that, makes you appear like some sort of train spotting anorak. Some might have had their perceptions of him as an individual dented a little, but most are capable of realising that their perception of him as a player is a totally separate issue.

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Alleged fraud, betting or otherwise is not a minor transgression and IMO if you are able to arrogantly carry that off in front of your adoring public then, and I stress IMO, you are probably capable of anything with regards to 'minor transgressions'. I have lost my faith and trust in MLT and whilst that saddens me I doubt he is bothered about my lack of trust one iota as we don't know each other and i am according to you in the minoriity of 1.

 

Are you institualized or do they let you out ?

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There was a piece in the Racing Post yesterday from someone who had actually looked into the matter thoroughly (shock horror). The only firm at that time who bet on throw ins (Sporting Index) only offered markets on live games - which the one in the book wasn't! Seems the whole thing was a (silly) attempt to sell more books....

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There was a piece in the Racing Post yesterday from someone who had actually looked into the matter thoroughly (shock horror). The only firm at that time who bet on throw ins (Sporting Index) only offered markets on live games - which the one in the book wasn't! Seems the whole thing was a (silly) attempt to sell more books....

 

This 'fact' was discovered some time ago on this thread but agree a silly thing to diclose whatever the motive

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Alleged fraud, betting or otherwise is not a minor transgression and IMO if you are able to arrogantly carry that off in front of your adoring public then, and I stress IMO, you are probably capable of anything with regards to 'minor transgressions'. I have lost my faith and trust in MLT and whilst that saddens me I doubt he is bothered about my lack of trust one iota as we don't know each other and i am according to you in the minoriity of 1.

 

 

No doubt you also lost faith in neimi, higginbottom, Quashie and anyone else who has spoken out against your idol lowe.

 

i rarely look at this site anymore, and usually only to see your comical ali like rantings...pure comedy.

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This isn't about principles, 19. It's about you gnawing away at something that's become an obsession. And you've been tugging at it so hard and long that you've lost sight of what Le Tiss is to Southampton fans.

 

I don't know how many other ways to say it about this 'controversy': it doesn't matter.

 

Correct.

 

And also lawrie, crouch and anyone else with the temerity to criticise his failed idol lowe. This site used to be worth a look...not anymore let the obsessed few have it...back over to 606 and rocket swanies outlandish claims....

pay a fiver for this ...no thanks..

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