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You may need to stop supporting the unpopular and slagging off people who most regard as legends, just to get a rise on the innernetz. It really is very odd, and a little sad. I hope you are ok and that you don't actually have the catastrophic mental health issues that it appears you suffer from.

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You may need to stop supporting the unpopular and slagging off people who most regard as legends, just to get a rise on the innernetz. It really is very odd, and a little sad. I hope you are ok and that you don't actually have the catastrophic mental health issues that it appears you suffer from.

 

I am not supporting the unpopular merely asking questions about those with high reputations and past glories who some believe as a result are beyond reproach. Some fans unfortunately don't want their fantasy world rocked and try their best to ignore any subequent misdemeanours. However, it doesn't work like that in the outside world and MLT needs to account for his actions whatever the real story behind the betting scam and whilst he is at it lets hear the real story behind Pinnacle. He is still mates with Lynam and they have subsequently enjoyed a game of 'it's all for charity' golf which is good news but I don't see many on here with the faith in Lyman but he hasn't written a book called 'Taking Le Tiss' about his loyal playing days as a legend at SFC.

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Taking Le Tiss - it's all in his book which I have diligently been delving into to try and disprove my original thoughts. Frustratingly, it seems my views have more foundation than any alleged attempt to antagonise the blind faithful and simply reading the reviews on here and in the press, the book title and his recent media interviews MLT does come across as an arrogant and lazy maverick off set by a laid back and personable charm. More Frank Worthington than a Beckham or a Gerrard.

 

You should just go and support another team to be honest 19 C.

 

I am sure that MLT deserves to be slated for this, but frankly you are no supporter of this club.

 

MLT being foolish will always have more respect than you and your comments. I think you should go back to supporting Andover.

 

Whilst I like hearing counter opinions and encouraging debate, I just find your comments as nothing more than petty digs after you have endured the humiliation of supporting a poor chairman and been made to look stupid.

 

I think that unless you are a real fan and offer constructive comment, rather than having a constant go against those the majority will always view as legends, you should be banned from this site.

 

You are divisive and not required as a supporter at this club IMHO. We'd be better off without you in the rebuild. The future is better at the club now without the likes of you and Lowe.

 

Go away for good like your previous mentor. You too are not required. Southampton FC deserves better than humiliated Lowe-dites.

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Do you write jokes for 'entertainers' like Mike Osman, Chubby Brown and Stan Boardman? Boring, repetitive and unfunny.

 

I hope you are finally banned soon. I'm looking forward to reading a messageboard that doesnt consist of your attention seeking comments that are merely designed to wind up the majority of Saints fans. You're bad for morale, divisive and petty.

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You should just go and support another team to be honest 19 C.

 

I am sure that MLT deserves to be slated for this, but frankly you are no supporter of this club.

 

MLT being foolish will always have more respect than you and your comments. I think you should go back to supporting Andover.

 

No one player in bigger than the club and neither for that matter are chairmen, manager's or overly protective fans.

 

I'll support this club till the day I die thank you but always with both eyes open and an enquiring mind to ensure the level of loyal support they enjoy and in some cases worshiped and revered is respected. MLT's silence is not reciprocating that respect and for me until I understand his reasons behind some of his recent 'errors of judgement' then I won't, how can I say, be sending him any email tributes about how wonderful he is?

 

Mick Channon was my boyhood hero and what he has gone on to acheive before and since he remains my ultimate sporting legend, a true Hampshire gent.

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Stop being such a drama queen Robbie.

 

I am just bored of reading divisive drivel. I love debate, love discussing new players and argument and counter argument but the constant grind from 19 C on attacking legends, the club and anything not Rupert Lowe has finally done for me Weston.

 

I think we only need fans now, not attention seeking, divisive idiots who grind us all down with rubbish.

 

The Club is now on the up. We dont need 19 C's morale sapping rubbish anymore.

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No one player in bigger than the club and neither for that matter are chairmen, manager's or overly protective fans.

 

I'll support this club till the day I die thank you but always with both eyes open and an enquiring mind to ensure the level of loyal support they enjoy and in some cases worshiped and revered is respected. MLT's silence is not reciprocating that respect and for me until I understand his reasons behind some of his recent 'errors of judgement' then I won't, how can I say, be sending him any email tributes about how wonderful he is?

 

Mick Channon was my boyhood hero and what he has gone on to acheive before and since he remains my ultimate sporting legend, a true Hampshire gent.

 

Then start a constructive thread about your memories of Channon instead of posting attention-seeking crap to wind people up...

 

or alternatively can someone post a thread on how to place 19 C on ignore?

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Would you like to bid for my season tickets? Make me an offer I can't refuse -it will need to be in the hundreds of thousands of pounds to get close to an amount that will lure me away for this season and in the millions for life.

 

Have you got a ticket for all of your altered egos? What do you do sit in a different seat every week? If we had more fans like you we'd only have to have 15K fans to sell out every week.

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Petition to finally ban 19 C needed?

 

Count me in, this board is for Saints fans and 19C is not one.

 

Nothing grates on me more on here than those asking for others to be banned, how harmful is reading someone else's opinion ? really, I would like to know ?

Scally, you disclosed, to a degree, who you are, had you not those comments would not have been made as it would not be relevant, I believe you target him every bit as much as he may you.

To suggest nineteen is not a fan is bullocks he is a regular poster on "football" related threads and his posts are in line with someone who watches are club on a very regular basis, probably more than a percentage of members on here.

If it bores you don't read it, if it upsets you don't read it, if you have the ability to debate enter into it but ffs stop whineing about it.

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I am just bored of reading divisive drivel. I love debate, love discussing new players and argument and counter argument but the constant grind from 19 C on attacking legends, the club and anything not Rupert Lowe has finally done for me Weston.

 

I think we only need fans now, not attention seeking, divisive idiots who grind us all down with rubbish.

 

The Club is now on the up. We dont need 19 C's morale sapping rubbish anymore.

 

Robbie I talk about the current issues as I see fit and it's not my issue MLT has put himself under the spotlight.

 

With regard to Lowe my opinions are never offered unsolicited as he is yesterday news but i am guilty for want of a better word for balancing historical debates when others bring his name up as the main architect of our down fall when there were many factors both individuals, groups and situations than each held a hammer and nails. If we treat Lowe as a scapegoat we will learn nothing of value from our past mistakes.

 

Finally, I think my views of where we are now are positive and constructive and in fact more positive than those who considered yesterday to be a must win game as if we were 10 points from safety on the 19th March 2010. I don't think you read all my posts if you did you would see whilst I have been deeply sadden by the evenst of the last year I now feel very positive and upbeat about the new direction and policies on and off the pitch.

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Nineteen canteen is simply making some valid observations about Matt's book. Just because people don't like his 'style' isn't a reason to ban him.

 

It's just a football message board. It's very easy to ignore certain poster's comments when scrolling down through a thread. It would appear though that some people don't want to ignore because it gives them something to bite into...hmmm...

 

If one looks closely, the poster's name is in big red letters and what he posts is in little black letters. When you see a name in big red letters that you don't like, you don't then read the little black letters. Just a thought.

 

Good Lord above.

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Nineteen canteen is simply making some valid observations about Matt's book. Just because people don't like his 'style' isn't a reason to ban him.

 

It's just a football message board. It's very easy to ignore certain poster's comments when scrolling down through a thread. It would appear though that some people don't want to ignore because it gives them something to bite into...hmmm...

 

If one looks closely, the poster's name is in big red letters and what he posts is in little black letters. When you see a name in big red letters that you don't like, you don't then read the little black letters. Just a thought.

 

Good Lord above.

 

Troll.

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Meanwhile, has MLT been suspended from Soccer Saturday or chosen to step down until this 'betting scam' issue has blown over or simply absent due to illness or on holiday? A quick look around other club's fans forums and it is being debated and the general view is that 2nd to Stelling he is the most popular person on the show or the person whose views are seemingly most respected. That said he probably played for the least hated club of those on the show and Thompson is naturally slated by both City and Utd fans and the Spurs fans are not exactly complimentary about Merson and Nicholas.

 

So given he seems to have some viewer support and presumably doesn't want to insult his loyal Saints fans why has he resisted the chance to comment? Is the betting scam story true and if so is it being investigated by the authorities and in hindsight does he still consider it amusing or part of 'Taking Le Tiss'? If the story is a lie to boost book sales why did he consider that necessary and drag his name and the club's through the mire at a time when it is least needed, post adminstration and the embarrasment caused by his good mate Lynam and the enigmatic Michael Fialka and endorsed by either an alleged fraudster or liar, or IMO a lazy fool.

 

So MLT answers please as this native is getting restless and having purchased your book before I read it in full I need to know if it's a work of fiction or non-fiction and a detailed explanation on which it is. Whilst, you are at it I, and I am sure many others, would like to hear the full story, warts and all behind Pinnacle and why you backed it so confidently right up until the 11th hour and past the Fialka unvieling? IMO and using business terms I think you have leveraged your past reputation and faith of your fans to the hilt and it's time to repay a little interest before your stock plummets.

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Meanwhile, has MLT been suspended from Soccer Saturday or chosen to step down until this 'betting scam' issue has blown over or simply absent due to illness or on holiday? A quick look around other club's fans forums and it is being debated and the general view is that 2nd to Stelling he is the most popular person on the show or the person whose views are seemingly most respected. That said he probably played for the least hated club of those on the show and Thompson is naturally slated by both City and Utd fans and the Spurs fans are not exactly complimentary about Merson and Nicholas.

 

So given he seems to have some viewer support and presumably doesn't want to insult his loyal Saints fans why has he resisted the chance to comment? Is the betting scam story true and if so is it being investigated by the authorities and in hindsight does he still consider it amusing or part of 'Taking Le Tiss'? If the story is a lie to boost book sales why did he consider that necessary and drag his name and the club's through the mire at a time when it is least needed, post adminstration and the embarrasment caused by his good mate Lynam and the enigmatic Michael Fialka and endorsed by either an alleged fraudster or liar, or IMO a lazy fool.

 

So MLT answers please as this native is getting restless and having purchased your book before I read it in full I need to know if it's a work of fiction or non-fiction and a detailed explanation on which it is. Whilst, you are at it I, and I am sure many others, would like to hear the full story, warts and all behind Pinnacle and why you backed it so confidently right up until the 11th hour and past the Fialka unvieling? IMO and using business terms I think you have leveraged your past reputation and faith of your fans to the hilt and it's time to repay a little interest before your stock plummets.

 

Aye....There's almost as much intrigue there as a certain ex-chairman employing the services of a company that he'd recommended to his clients in another company before his banker then moved to said recommended company....

 

I agree with you.....Let's get all the 'intrigue' investigated in one fowl swoop.... ;)

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I, and I am sure many others, would like to hear the full story, warts and all behind Pinnacle.

 

To my knowledge MLT is not a poster on this forum, however, Tony Lynam is, he suggested on the charity golf day thread he would welcome, within reason, questions.

I would assume it was he that gave MLT the majority of the information which in turn would have given him confidence in the bid, I understand why you would like some questions answered by MLT but, in his absence, why not work on Tony Lynam.

(I suggest this unaware of any legal reason that would prevent TL from answering)

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Aye....There's almost as much intrigue there as a certain ex-chairman employing the services of a company that he'd recommended to his clients in another company before his banker then moved to said recommended company....

 

I agree with you.....Let's get all the 'intrigue' investigated in one fowl swoop.... ;)

 

Actually the Administrator was not the first choice. The company Lowe wanted refused to act as they were worried they would not be paid, such was the state of our finances and the belief in the industry no buyer would be found. Fry and his company took the risk others had refused. My source was close to the action, a shareholder and a board member in the past.

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Aye....There's almost as much intrigue there as a certain ex-chairman employing the services of a company that he'd recommended to his clients in another company before his banker then moved to said recommended company....

 

I agree with you.....Let's get all the 'intrigue' investigated in one fowl swoop.... ;)

 

Very true but the world of corporate finance and the city in general is an incestous place IMO and it's always been a case of it's who you know not what you know. It's why most financial institutions have 'Network Management' or other such named departments.

 

It would be nice to know the thinking but that process was far more transparent than the machinations of Pinnacle and the real bone of contention on this thread the MLT betting scam did he or didn't he try to rip off the spread firms and in any event lets have a full and frank apology and explanation. It would be nice to know that the time he ran his hardest during a game was for the good of his club and it's fans not for those in a betting scam he was involved with but perhaps that's just me being picky.

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Actually the Administrator was not the first choice. The company Lowe wanted refused to act as they were worried they would not be paid, such was the state of our finances and the belief in the industry no buyer would be found. Fry and his company took the risk others had refused. My source was close to the action, a shareholder and a board member in the past.

 

Very interesting and for those who believe Lowe in his second spell in charge took us down again and delivered us into administration this will perhaps prove that the perilious state of our finances did not happen duirng last season, although the falls in revenue would not have helped but we were a dead man walking from May 2008.

 

Lowe was culpable but so were many others and as I have said before if we look for scapegoats the lessons of the past 4 years won't be learned.

 

Meanwhile, why is MLT adopting a vow of silence?

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Actually the Administrator was not the first choice. The company Lowe wanted refused to act as they were worried they would not be paid, such was the state of our finances and the belief in the industry no buyer would be found. Fry and his company took the risk others had refused. My source was close to the action, a shareholder and a board member in the past.

 

Cheers Weston. Didn't know that...interesting...

 

Yet another one of my crackpot theories bites the dust!

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Very interesting and for those who believe Lowe in his second spell in charge took us down again and delivered us into administration this will perhaps prove that the perilious state of our finances did not happen duirng last season, although the falls in revenue would not have helped but we were a dead man walking from May 2008.

 

Lowe was culpable but so were many others and as I have said before if we look for scapegoats the lessons of the past 4 years won't be learned.

Meanwhile, why is MLT adopting a vow of silence?

 

You don't see anything ironic in this sentence at all, do you? You're not prepared to look for scapegoats at board level, but quite happy to attempt to tarnish the image of arguably the greatest talent this club has ever produced.

 

As for your first sentence, do you dispute whether Lowe took us down and delivered us into administration? I could be wrong, but I'm, pretty certain that he was in control of the club when those two things occurred, propped up by the Quisling. Or would you argue in the same vein that the Captain of the Titanic was not entirely to blame for his ship hitting the iceberg and that some blame should attach to others?

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Actually the Administrator was not the first choice. The company Lowe wanted refused to act as they were worried they would not be paid, such was the state of our finances and the belief in the industry no buyer would be found. Fry and his company took the risk others had refused. My source was close to the action, a shareholder and a board member in the past.
Weston Im sorry I dont take that as being correct.There is no way the administrator would not get paid.It is an impossibility as they get access to the funds raised.Clapham will be able to clarify it exactly but IMO there is no way administrators are ever left unpaid.
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Weston Im sorry I dont take that as being correct.There is no way the administrator would not get paid.It is an impossibility as they get access to the funds raised.Clapham will be able to clarify it exactly but IMO there is no way administrators are ever left unpaid.

 

There is if no one buys the company

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Very interesting and for those who believe Lowe in his second spell in charge took us down again and delivered us into administration this will perhaps prove that the perilious state of our finances did not happen duirng last season, although the falls in revenue would not have helped but we were a dead man walking from May 2008.

 

Lowe was culpable but so were many others and as I have said before if we look for scapegoats the lessons of the past 4 years won't be learned.

 

Meanwhile, why is MLT adopting a vow of silence?

One thing is abundantly clear though is Lowe would not listen to anyone that the "kids" experiment was doomed to failure. The alternatives might have put us into administration earlier but that is speculation. The alternatives might have increased the paying fan base and balanced the cost of the alternative but that is speculation also.

 

As for MLT, he has made a mistake with the betting scam or has wrongly reported his involvement to sell his book (ie that it did happen but not with him) and he was clearly hoodwinked by the Pinnacle Group (it is possible Tony Lynam was as well but he is unlikely to admit to that and further damage his reputation in the industry).

 

I consider MLT keeping his own counsel on these matters now to be the most sensible approach. There will be some (like yourself and Duncan) who want answers and he is in a no win situation. Keeping his own counsel on a slightly tarnished reputation will keep it at that.

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Weston Im sorry I dont take that as being correct.There is no way the administrator would not get paid.It is an impossibility as they get access to the funds raised.Clapham will be able to clarify it exactly but IMO there is no way administrators are ever left unpaid.

 

Sorry Nick, I believe my source. He was closer to the action than those you and I associated with at the time all that was going on.

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There is if no one buys the company
The company had assets that it could sell.The administrator ALWAYS had the ground and the rest of the squad to sell, whether it be a grand each to cover his costs at the end. He only scratched the surface by selling AS DMG to keep the football club going, if it was a final wind up there were assets and money for him to take hs fees from.
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Sorry Nick, I believe my source. He was closer to the action than those you and I associated with at the time all that was going on.
Well Weston unless Clapham comes on and tells me that the administrator could not be paid then I will hold onto my belief on this.
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Betting issue - 14 years ago !

Pinnacle issue - new owner now in place !

Both have now been done to death and have no bearing on our future so can we please consign both these subjects to history ????

(in laymen's terms - FFS give it a rest!!!)

 

Done to death ES but no satisfactory answers and time and silence should allow for the carpet to be tacked down to the floor again with everything neatly swept and unanswered under it.

 

I agree with Weston that MLT is keeping his own counsel over the betting scam but IMO that is not the best action and is disrespectful to all those who have worshipped him down the years and bought his book in good faith on the premise they were going to read about his life and career. Some of it may now be a work of fiction or we are told the hardest he ever ran for the club was to minimise his potential losses because he was abusing his position as a player of our club. He can't win either way as Weston suggested but avoidance is not an option either.

 

The Pinnacle thing is an unanswered side issue tbh as he has answered questions in the media but luckily for him he chose Simon Mayo as the interviewer and not Nicky Campbell or someone even more challenging.

 

Thank god for Mr Liebherr and his directors and an exciting future. However, that future was put under serious threat by Pinnacle's antics and only now it seems are we beginning to catch up with the other teams in the league. MLT endorsed the bid giving it huge creedance and with less due diligence IMO than a housewife buying her weekly fruit and veg. MLT's book and the mystery around the scam has exacerbated his Pinnacle role and for someone with god like status, IMO he has treated his worshipers in a rather shabby and unprofessional way.

 

MLT may or may not have a future role at this club so I think before his next standing ovation at SMS he should account publicly to his adoring fans for his actions. A frank and honest account and not the straight batted nonsense replies he gave to the 'probing' Pinnacle questions that you or I could have scripted on his behalf.

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MLT endorsed the bid giving it huge creedance and with less due diligence IMO than a housewife buying her weekly fruit and veg.

 

So, in essence, what you're saying is that Matt should have given Tony's plums a good old squeeze before choosing to allign with him?

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