NickG Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 not as bad as brucey story but not good. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Southampton-star-Matt-Le-Tissier-admits-he-was-part-of-failed-10k-bet-fix-article142265.html
Footballfan Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Not good to here this from Matt, but I bet he is not the only one to do this shame he did not bet for a goal in the first minute.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Hmmmm, I presume that he took legal advice prior to publicly admitting this as I wonder if the F.A./F.L. could gain some mileage from it.
Red and White Army Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Why on earth is he admitting this now?
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 (waits for 19C to turn up... finger on the moderation button)
Johnny Bognor Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Oh no, Nineteen Canteen is gonna have a field day.
Doctoroncall Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Silly boy, first for doing it and second for putting in the public domain! I wonder how many other players have done this?
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 This form of corruption can't be defended or tolerated in the game - he should be ashamed of himself .
moon monkey Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 It's not like he was trying to fiddle the result of the match. He only placed a bet to get a throw in the first minute, big deal.
St Chalet Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 This story cannot be true, Matt didn't ever charge around.
ChrisPY Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Lol at it failing! Wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game and someone has to take money off the greedy bookmakers! That said if a skate had done this it would be disgusting and an embarrassment to football.
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Lol at it failing! Wouldn't have affected the outcome of the game and someone has to take money off the greedy bookmakers! That said if a skate had done this it would be disgusting and an embarrassment to football. Giving the other team possession isnt going to help them then?
red&white56 Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 It was naive of him to think that this type of betting was "harmless". Disappointed.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 It's not like he was trying to fiddle the result of the match. He only placed a bet to get a throw in the first minute, big deal. No it is a big deal . Corruption starts with this apparently harmless throw in scam and before long goalkeepers are betting on when the first goal is conceded and outfield players on the first yellow card ..etc - eventually the whole game is turned into a cesspit - this is VERY serious matter and quite indefensible in my view .
WealdSaint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Some more naivety to add to that shown with Pinnacle.
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 No it is a big deal . Corruption starts with this apparently harmless throw in scam and before long goalkeepers are betting on when the first goal is conceded and outfield players on the first yellow card ..etc - eventually the whole game is turned into a cesspit - this is VERY serious matter and quite indefensible in my view . Have to say, I agree with CCC on this. Quite disappointed by MLT recently.
Saint in Paradise Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2619556/Matt-Le-Tissier-bungled-throw-in-wager.html Oh dear could be a legal problem though :- Andrew Lyman, of the Association of British Bookmakers, said: "His actions could constitute a conspiracy to defraud."
Scummer Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Book came out over a week ago, if this was a big story more would have been made of it by now. There's been loads of this type of thing going on for years, even in big games like FA Cup Finals.
Chorlton Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I remember this happening quite a bit around that time. the betting companies stopped that particular spread bet as so many players were doind it. MLT is certainly not the first player to admit to it (though sadly, I can't remember who the other one was! I will say Merson as it makes sense)
Ponty Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 (waits for 19C to turn up... finger on the moderation button) He's probably got every right to crow about it too, unfortunately. FFS, Matty, why say anything now?
chocco boxo Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Made up story, Le Tiss could if he wanted to hit the ball over Shipperleys head, the bloke could land the ball wherever he wanted, plus most of Shipps headers went out of play.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Taking Le Tiss - it's all in his book which I have diligently been delving into to try and disprove my original thoughts. Frustratingly, it seems my views have more foundation than any alleged attempt to antagonise the blind faithful and simply reading the reviews on here and in the press, the book title and his recent media interviews MLT does come across as an arrogant and lazy maverick off set by a laid back and personable charm. More Frank Worthington than a Beckham or a Gerrard.
Saint Bones Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Oh Dear... Hard to defend this one. Granted the wages the players get these days is a crime
chrisobee Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Can't condone this at all though it has to be said that bookmakers legally "cheat" all the time often using the palpable error "rule". Has cost me money in the past, eg when I placed a bet at long odds and laid it at much shorter odds on Betfair. Was actually a case of two horses with similar names, one should have been about 2/1 and the other 20/1 but they mixed them up. Pretty naive of me in truth but still having accepted the bet I would expect it to be honoured but of course that's one reason why there are very few poor bookies. In fact though in horse racing it's very common for certain trainers to prepare a horse for a betting coup by getting it to run below par in a few races and then back it at much longer odds when they think it will win. Of course does not always go to plan but often enough when you can get say 10/1 for an even money shot. It happens as I know personal experience and only shows that betting is invariably a mugs game and how often do you hear of match rigging in many sports.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Book came out over a week ago, if this was a big story more would have been made of it by now. There's been loads of this type of thing going on for years, even in big games like FA Cup Finals. Must be a slow news day I agree but why give the press the ammunition. As with Pinnacle it shows MLT's judgement and integrity IMO aren't mirrored 100% with all football and sports fans. It's cheating regardless of how amusing it may be and shows a more sinister side to that title 'Taking le Tiss'. Very unfortunate and I doubt he will be able to 'straight bat' the questions that follow as he did those about Pinnacle.
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Am surprised no one who's read the book on here has pointed out this chapter before... Anyway, the extra book sales generated as a result will help pay for any legal fees! Btw, don't publishers routinely run these things by lawyers before publication anyway?
Verbal Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I was talking about match-fixing with my son at the weekend. He's an Arsenal supporter and we'd just watched Almunia make a frankly ridiculous challenge which allowed Rooney to go down for a pen. I'm not saying Almunia was 'fixing' - just that you never know, and that it's likely that quite a few games, especially in the Prem, have been fixed in some way. How many times have you watched a match where the ref has extended injury time until what seems like the 'right' team has scored? And refs are always going to appear to be on one side or the other to respective fans, but how many times does it appear that a ref has 'looked for' a match-changing sending off. Can absurd misses always be just momentary incompetence? And on and on. That's the danger that goes with MLT's admission sadly. It drains confidence from us as fans - we're never absolutely sure whether we've paid to watch a truly competitive game, or whether we're just pawns in a far-eastern betting scam. I'm not saying match-fixing is widespread - I just don't know. But it's a worry, and the MLT doesn't help.
hypochondriac Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 That's a disgrace. I'm very disappointed
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Can't condone this at all though it has to be said that bookmakers legally "cheat" all the time often using the palpable error "rule". Has cost me money in the past, eg when I placed a bet at long odds and laid it at much shorter odds on Betfair. Was actually a case of two horses with similar names, one should have been about 2/1 and the other 20/1 but they mixed them up. Pretty naive of me in truth but still having accepted the bet I would expect it to be honoured but of course that's one reason why there are very few poor bookies. In fact though in horse racing it's very common for certain trainers to prepare a horse for a betting coup by getting it to run below par in a few races and then back it at much longer odds when they think it will win. Of course does not always go to plan but often enough when you can get say 10/1 for an even money shot. It happens as I know personal experience and only shows that betting is invariably a mugs game and how often do you hear of match rigging in many sports. I agree and gave up betting on horses after the Fallon affair as guilty or innocent the whole role of the jockey and the non-triers rule is so open to abuse and it's depressing to see him come back. Whilst, Le Tissier's action is not 'blatant' match fixing there was obviously a risk it could affect the result and he must have been very over-confident to not recognise that starting a game and not focusing on winning it as oppose to winning a bet was detrimental and offensive to all but those involved in the 'profit'.
Nineteen Canteen Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Am surprised no one who's read the book on here has pointed out this chapter before... Anyway, the extra book sales generated as a result will help pay for any legal fees! Btw, don't publishers routinely run these things by lawyers before publication anyway? Don't businessmen rountinely check what they are getting into?
trousers Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Giving the other team possession isnt going to help them then? Most of the saints team over the last 5 years would be living at her majesty's pleasure if that charge ever came to court!!
Danbert Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Why on earth is he admitting this now? He's got a book to sell
chrisobee Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I agree and gave up betting on horses after the Fallon affair as guilty or innocent the whole role of the jockey and the non-triers rule is so open to abuse and it's depressing to see him come back. Whilst, Le Tissier's action is not 'blatant' match fixing there was obviously a risk it could affect the result and he must have been very over-confident to not recognise that starting a game and not focusing on winning it as oppose to winning a bet was detrimental and offensive to all but those involved in the 'profit'. Yep, and all I see and hear on ATR is how great it will be to see Fallon back, don't think so ! I do have very, very small bets ( as per the tips thread on general sports) but even then I'm on the look out for what they call a "springer in the market" and immediately get suspicious. One sure thing I'll not bet on any race involving Fallon and ther are a few other jockeys/trainers I avoid too. Back on to the main point and it is really unacceptable to do anything as a sportsman to bring the game into disrepute, wonder why MLT raised it after so long ? Guilty conscience or just arrogance that it apparently did not matter ? Probably the latter TBH.
chrisobee Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Am surprised no one who's read the book on here has pointed out this chapter before... Anyway, the extra book sales generated as a result will help pay for any legal fees! Btw, don't publishers routinely run these things by lawyers before publication anyway? They do, I'm very surprised they allowed this to be published, suspect it was "missed"!
Draino76 Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Who kept the ball in for 70 seconds? I presume Benali didn't have a touch..
samoakley Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 read it about 3 days ago in his book was waiting to see what the regular posters on here would say i finished the book now and to be fair thats the only bad thing he has done that he mentions in his book.
Gemmel Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 They do, I'm very surprised they allowed this to be published, suspect it was "missed"![/quote] Not a chance. This was probably deliberately included to generate the attention it has.
Scummer Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Not a chance. This was probably deliberately included to generate the attention it has. Exactly.
GenevaSaint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 This form of corruption can't be defended or tolerated in the game - he should be ashamed of himself . +1 Very dissapointed.
JibMcdo Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Ah who cares, the bloke likes a bet and it was harmless that he bet on a throw-in in the first minute. If I had the chance to influence the outcome of a bet I made, well bloody hell I'd do it and then some! Of course, admitting it in a book is another issue but the acutal bet - yeh I can foresee I thread of 400 posts about sweet fa really.
John Smith Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I think people are missing the point here. I think MLT is pointing out something that came into this game with the option of spread betting becoming available. MLT was given the op;portunity to double or trebling his wages by kicking the ball out of play from the KO. Easy moiney! BUT, as he points out, it wasn't easy money, he nearly lost, what I can only imagine, was his weeks wages. He ran around like a idiot for over a minute and only broke even. MLT running! He must have been panicked! And here lies the real story, MLT was influenced also on something that was a quick buck, but found out that a quick buck is not as easy as it sounds and sounds like he didn't do it again! Betting, spread betting and the like were very much part of the game after teams banned alcohol before a game. People easily forget what it was like back then and I for one am not shocked that it went on, oh, we already knew it went on, Brucey anyone? Sagers? Fashunu? Not saying they all were caught, but these were the top end scams. Flood lights anyone! And so, it had to be closed down and eradicated. It sounds like MLT took a puff from the illegal fixing pipe, but did not in hail! Big deal, move on!
Iowsaintsfan Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I wonder if thats why we kicked off every week by booting it down to the corner flag and having 3 players chasing after it? think it was souness era though could be wrong
Pancake Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 And here lies the real story, MLT was influenced also on something that was a quick buck, but found out that a quick buck is not as easy as it sounds and sounds like he didn't do it again! Some might say he did with Tony, Mikey et al.
WestSaint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 Trouble is, it is the thin end of a very unsavoury wedge. As a spectator it can make you question what you are watching, and should be dealt with firmly.
Gemmel Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I wonder if thats why we kicked off every week by booting it down to the corner flag and having 3 players chasing after it? think it was souness era though could be wrong I was waiting to see if anybody mentioned this. The bet was either a regular thing (joke) or your point is where Le Tiss got the idea from. Religiously from kick off the ball was lumped to the right or more often the left wing as close to the corner flag as the kicker could get it ...much like rugby (pre scw..lol) the winger would chase down and if the ball didn't go straight out the defender would be under pressure to clear his lines..... the ball very often went out Saints would re group and the game then pretty much started deep in the opposition half. I couldnt rememeber whether this was Ball or Souness, but it happened for a long period of time.
Weston Super Saint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 He's probably got every right to crow about it too, unfortunately. FFS, Matty, why say anything now? Who knows :smt102 Perhaps the interest it generates by being out in the open now will sell more books - although he neither lost or won the bet in question, you can guarantee he lost a few others, and perhaps this is his way to recoup the losses....
Baj Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 "Boss, got a story on Le Tiss" "Save it for a few weeks til after the transfer window, be no other stories to write about then"
Sheff Saint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 I think people are missing the point here. I think MLT is pointing out something that came into this game with the option of spread betting becoming available. MLT was given the op;portunity to double or trebling his wages by kicking the ball out of play from the KO. Easy moiney! BUT, as he points out, it wasn't easy money, he nearly lost, what I can only imagine, was his weeks wages. He ran around like a idiot for over a minute and only broke even. MLT running! He must have been panicked! And here lies the real story, MLT was influenced also on something that was a quick buck, but found out that a quick buck is not as easy as it sounds and sounds like he didn't do it again! Betting, spread betting and the like were very much part of the game after teams banned alcohol before a game. People easily forget what it was like back then and I for one am not shocked that it went on, oh, we already knew it went on, Brucey anyone? Sagers? Fashunu? Not saying they all were caught, but these were the top end scams. Flood lights anyone! And so, it had to be closed down and eradicated. It sounds like MLT took a puff from the illegal fixing pipe, but did not in hail! Big deal, move on! Good post.
beatlesaint Posted 3 September, 2009 Posted 3 September, 2009 umm.....i would rather he had given the names of the established England players who were reluctant to pass to him on his debut to be honest !!
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