alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Saga Lallana Schneiderlin Anyone else ?
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 skintsaint said: Bart You reckon ? How long a contract did we give him FFS ? He seems to have been around forever.
skintsaint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: You reckon ? How long a contract did we give him FFS ? He seems to have been around forever. Thought I read last season he wanted a move out? Must be dissapointed of how things have gotten at Saints.
Ashby Saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 DT said: Jaidi You do wonder why he took so long to agree to join us.
Nexstar Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 saint_stevo said: Wotton is crap, does that count? No.
glkdcdes Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 yeh lets slag off all our players, based on assumed knowledge, maybe we can even whip up a witch hunt. What a great thread. What makes saints so great......supporters like you Alpine. Now youve got what you wanted, a reaction... feel good............
Saint_clark Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Lallanas commitment is not suspect to me.
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 Ashby Saint said: You do wonder why he took so long to agree to join us. The WP issue ?
Saint2Hotty Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Saint_clark said: Lallanas commitment is not suspect to me. Agreed, has never said he wanted away!
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 glkdcdes said: yeh lets slag off all our players, based on assumed knowledge, maybe we can even whip up a witch hunt. What a great thread. What makes saints so great......supporters like you Alpine. Now youve got what you wanted, a reaction... feel good............ Over-reaction due to the OP
Saint_clark Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Saint2Hotty said: Agreed, has never said he wanted away! Exactly, although he and many others have said completely the opposite - that he does not want to leave at all.
Um Bongo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 glkdcdes said: yeh lets slag off all our players, based on assumed knowledge, maybe we can even whip up a witch hunt. What a great thread. What makes saints so great......supporters like you Alpine. Now youve got what you wanted, a reaction... feel good............ He posted three names. Hardly the whole team. And he's probably quite right, bar Lallana.
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 (edited) saint_stevo said: Over-reaction due to the OP Aye, the happy-clappy censors at it again. I made the OP based on a collection of comments made on here over the last few months as things unravelled at SFC. They are not necessarily my opinion (I dont doubt Saga or believe half of what is written on here about him, for example; the only time I doubted his commitment is when it was his turn to be pessed about by Burley). Of course, players like Rasiak and Euell werent included in the OP because they are now gone. Why is it so taboo to discuss whether all the lack of commitment and give-up culture of the last 2 seasons has been finally whittled out of the club ? Especially considering how easily we have given up 4 leads already this season ? Edited 2 September, 2009 by alpine_saint
sussexsaint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Pulis Noone can be that bad whilst trying surely?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 wow, what an enlightening thread. So glad I use some of my unlimited Blackberry data allowance for this...
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: Aye, the happy-clappy censors at it again. So if you're not a negative, miserable ****er, who doesn't start threads just to find something negative to pick at the team for, you're happy clappy? You're a bloody lunatic.
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: Aye, the happy-clappy censors at it again. I made the OP based on a collection of comments made on here over the last few months as things unravelled at SFC. They are not necessarily my opinion (I dont doubt Saga or believe half of what is written on here about him, for example; the only time I doubted his commitment is when it was his turn to be pessed about by Burley). Of course, players like Rasiak and Euell werent included in the OP because they are now gone. Why is it so taboo to discuss whether all the lack of commitment and give-up culture of the last 2 seasons has been finally whittled out of the club ? Especially considering how easily we have given up 4 leads already this season ? I am in agreement But it seems on ere these days, you have to be positive about anything and everything otherwise you get shot down
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 saint_stevo said: I am in agreement But it seems on ere these days, you have to be positive about anything and everything otherwise you get shot down Why not? What does thinking negatively achieve?!
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: Why not? What does thinking negatively achieve?! Less negative, more realistic
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 saint_stevo said: Less negative, more realistic That's a typical response from a negative person. Negative people think they're being realistic, and positive people are being happy clappy. The truth is, negative people aren't being realistic, they're being negative. Because it's the easy way out....to avoid disappointment if high expectations aren't met. Very sad.
DT Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: Why not? What does thinking negatively achieve?! It allows for pleasant surprises. Ps it's pessimism.
DT Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: That's a typical response from a negative person. Negative people think they're being realistic, and positive people are being happy clappy. The truth is, negative people aren't being realistic, they're being negative. Because it's the easy way out....to avoid disappointment if high expectations aren't met. Very sad. And some people can only think in binary oppositions.
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 DT said: It allows for pleasant surprises. Ps it's pessimism. Which is no way to live your life.
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: Aye, the happy-clappy censors at it again. I made the OP based on a collection of comments made on here over the last few months as things unravelled at SFC. They are not necessarily my opinion (I dont doubt Saga or believe half of what is written on here about him, for example; the only time I doubted his commitment is when it was his turn to be pessed about by Burley). Of course, players like Rasiak and Euell werent included in the OP because they are now gone. Why is it so taboo to discuss whether all the lack of commitment and give-up culture of the last 2 seasons has been finally whittled out of the club ? Especially considering how easily we have given up 4 leads already this season ? No issue with the discussion - its not about slagging off its about views on existing Saints players attitude. I do have an issue with all this Happy Clapper stuff tho'. Its devisive and gets us where exactly? Why is it that everyone wants to labell others on here?
DT Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: Which is no way to live your life. Not a free will fan then?
Hopkins Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 When you say suspect temperament/commitment. Do you mean wanting to further their careers? I'd put Lallana/Morgan and I hope any other player in our squad in that list if thats the case. If you seriously believe that young players like Lallana/Morgan/Mills/Surman/McGoldrick/Walcott/Bale should not be looking to further their careers and play at higher levels and improve themselves as players just to please fans then you are seriously retarded. Young players have ambition and i'm pretty sure that doesn't include sitting bottom of the table in league 1. If they get the chance to earn more money at better clubs then I honestly do not see the problem. As Pardew said though, its when those players move knowing they will be sitting on the bench. Thats pretty stupid. But if they get the chance like Walcott to go and improve themselves at a top club, then I don't see the problem. Same goes for Morgan and Lallana. If they get the chance to play for a better club fair play. Untill then, the only way they are going to get a move is by playing well for us. We are a stepping stone club now. Get over it.
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: Why not? What does thinking negatively achieve?! And what does exclusively positive thinking achieve ?
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: That's a typical response from a negative person. Negative people think they're being realistic, and positive people are being happy clappy. The truth is, negative people aren't being realistic, they're being negative. Because it's the easy way out....to avoid disappointment if high expectations aren't met. Very sad. I just say it how i see it.
Arizona Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: That's a typical response from a negative person. Negative people think they're being realistic, and positive people are being happy clappy. The truth is, negative people aren't being realistic, they're being negative. Because it's the easy way out....to avoid disappointment if high expectations aren't met. Very sad. I think whether you are possivite or negative depends on how accurate your prediction is. Last season for example, some people claimed we'd definitely be in the top half, probably at least make the play offs. Others said it was a ridiculously poor squad and we'd get relegated. The former were accused of being happy clappy, the latter we're negative budgies. At the end of the season we were relegated, so the latter proved to be correct rather than negative. Sadly I can't think of a recent example for the other way around as Saints have seldom exceeded expectations in recent years. I guess those happy few who went to the Mad Stad expecting a win would count, whereas the vast majority expecting us to get dicked were just being negative.
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 DT said: Not a free will fan then? That's not it at all...it's just a fact of life that successful people think positively and don't "allow for pleasant surprises". I suppose you think all happy and successful people are "lucky" then?!
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: And what does exclusively positive thinking achieve ? Well you might be happy for a change, which I'm sure people around you, i.e. your family, would appreciate.
polegategavin Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 Ashby Saint said: You do wonder why he took so long to agree to join us. alpine_saint said: The WP issue ? It does seem convenient that he has signed "subject to WP clearance" on the day of/ morning following the transfer window closing. I do wonder whether he was holding out for other clubs from CCC to make an offer to him, and realised yesterday, through his agent, that this wasn't going to happen. I'm still delighted that he has signed and believe he will be 100% committed from here on in.
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 saint_stevo said: I just say it how i see it. You say it how you CHOOSE to see it. You could quite easily decide to find something positive to talk about, and concentrate on that. You'd feel better for it, and it'd be a hell of a lot more constructive.
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 Hopkins said: When you say suspect temperament/commitment. Do you mean wanting to further their careers? I'd put Lallana/Morgan and I hope any other player in our squad in that list if thats the case. If you seriously believe that young players like Lallana/Morgan/Mills/Surman/McGoldrick/Walcott/Bale should not be looking to further their careers and play at higher levels and improve themselves as players just to please fans then you are seriously retarded. Young players have ambition and i'm pretty sure that doesn't include sitting bottom of the table in league 1. If they get the chance to earn more money at better clubs then I honestly do not see the problem. As Pardew said though, its when those players move knowing they will be sitting on the bench. Thats pretty stupid. But if they get the chance like Walcott to go and improve themselves at a top club, then I don't see the problem. Same goes for Morgan and Lallana. If they get the chance to play for a better club fair play. Untill then, the only way they are going to get a move is by playing well for us. We are a stepping stone club now. Get over it. There is a world of difference between playing out of your skin to get the move you feel you are entitled to and sitting back, not appliyng yourself in the games, sulking and damaging squad morale as certain players have been accused of in the past.
DT Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: That's not it at all...it's just a fact of life that successful people think positively and don't "allow for pleasant surprises". I suppose you think all happy and successful people are "lucky" then?! You're doing your binary oppositions again. I happen to think (as if it is relevant) that all happy and successful people (as you call them) have had very varied and different routes to where they are now, none of which can be simplistically branded. I'm not sure why you brought in luck, by the way, but hey ho. Best stick to the footie.
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: You say it how you CHOOSE to see it. You could quite easily decide to find something positive to talk about, and concentrate on that. You'd feel better for it, and it'd be a hell of a lot more constructive. George Orwell would be proud.
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: You say it how you CHOOSE to see it. You could quite easily decide to find something positive to talk about, and concentrate on that. You'd feel better for it, and it'd be a hell of a lot more constructive. didnt go to swindon away then
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 polegategavin said: It does seem convenient that he has signed "subject to WP clearance" on the day of/ morning following the transfer window closing. I do wonder whether he was holding out for other clubs from CCC to make an offer to him, and realised yesterday, through his agent, that this wasn't going to happen. I'm still delighted that he has signed and believe he will be 100% committed from here on in. Its not convienet at all. Maybe the Home Office have only just indicated that his WP application would be successful, and with the various Ts & Cs sorted out with the club weeks ago, there was nowt to discuss in-between ??
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 saint_stevo said: didnt go to swindon away then I went to Huddersfield away. Yep, we didn't play well in either of those games, but dwelling on it, and slitting our wrists over that isn't going to achieve anything.
DT Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: George Orwell would be proud. as would Pravda
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: I went to Huddersfield away. Yep, we didn't play well in either of those games, but dwelling on it, and slitting our wrists over that isn't going to achieve anything. Neither will blind positivity
alpine_saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Author Posted 2 September, 2009 Not going to let it bother me. The Positive Thinking Bully Brigade have a go at the beginning of each season. They all slip into the shadows as the season unfolds...
St Will Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 DT said: You're doing your binary oppositions again. I happen to think (as if it is relevant) that all happy and successful people (as you call them) have had very varied and different routes to where they are now, none of which can be simplistically branded. I'm not sure why you brought in luck, by the way, but hey ho. Best stick to the footie. Because negative, miserable and unhappy people all think that rich and successful people have been lucky. Because any success a negative person experiences comes through a "pleasant surprise", so if they see success in another person, they think they got lucky and had a whole heap of pleasant surprises. The truth is, if you believe you'll be successful, there's a much greater chance of it happening.
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 alpine_saint said: Not going to let it bother me. The Positive Thinking Bully Brigade have a go at the beginning of each season. They all slip into the shadows as the season unfolds... Labels is that all you've got? Seriously tho whats the point?
saint_stevo Posted 2 September, 2009 Posted 2 September, 2009 St Will said: Because negative, miserable and unhappy people all think that rich and successful people have been lucky. Because any success a negative person experiences comes through a "pleasant surprise", so if they see success in another person, they think they got lucky and had a whole heap of pleasant surprises. The truth is, if you believe you'll be successful, there's a much greater chance of it happening. Doesnt quite apply to a football team we have no control over tho eh
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