AP's reaction to the ref

[JustMike]

really do not get the point of this thread! AP is just telling it as it is, the ref was poor, again, for both teams. whats wrong with coming out and telling the truth?

[Wes Tender]

Saints have always been a sporting team which means you accept the ref's decisions whether you like them or not. In any case it always works out 50/50 by the end of the season. It is ridiculous to remonstrate with officials as it only leads to trouble with the FL and never ever results in any change of heart or results.

 

Not necessarily. It is a well known suspicion held by most that refs somehow find it almost impossible to award penalties against Man Ure and there is probably a lot of truth in it.

 

And when the decisions go in our favour, i.e. there are dubious decisions that go against our opposition that were wrong, that doesn't make the rival teams' managers happy enough to say that oh well, it will all even it itself out in the end; they also complain. When the decision making becomes so poor, especially in the lower divisions, then something needs to be done about it. Either the poorer referees need to be taken off league games until they improve, or else electronic aids need to be employed.

 

As technology improves year by year and as the decision making by referees becomes more important to the financial wellbeing of some clubs who might find that over a season they have lost sufficient points to make the difference between relegation in some cases and promotion in others, the clamour to introduce this technology will grow.

 

As for Pardew's outburst against the poor refereeing, I don't see why he should be slated for showing the same frustration, anger or disappointment that the vast majority of fans shared with him.

[Thedelldays]

Not necessarily. It is a well known suspicion held by most that refs somehow find it almost impossible to award penalties against Man Ure and there is probably a lot of truth in it.

 

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tend to agree...

 

how the hell Arsenal were not awarded a penalty yesterday will remain an unsolved crime..

 

It was quite good to see Arshavin score that belter straight after..

[Professor]

According to today's press (Times Monday) Pardew is likely to face disciplinary action from the FA for his 'we wuz robbed' comments and criticism of the ref at Stockport. As an experienced manager he should have known better, and he shouldn't overlook that it was his team's failure to score a second goal and their failure to keep control of the ball in the final stages, that resulted in the draw. Ref's decisions go both ways and too many managers only see the ones that favour the opposition. Its disapointing that Pardew behaved like one of them when he has previously said there will be no excuses. He's doing a good job for SFC, although maybe hasn't been able to get enough transfer budget out of the owners, which may not be his fault, so lets see him get on with it, without blaming referees.

[benjii]

According to today's press (Times Monday) Pardew is likely to face disciplinary action from the FA for his 'we wuz robbed' comments and criticism of the ref at Stockport. As an experienced manager he should have known better, and he shouldn't overlook that it was his team's failure to score a second goal and their failure to keep control of the ball in the final stages, that resulted in the draw. Ref's decisions go both ways and too many managers only see the ones that favour the opposition. Its disapointing that Pardew behaved like one of them when he has previously said there will be no excuses. He's doing a good job for SFC, although maybe hasn't been able to get enough transfer budget out of the owners, which may not be his fault, so lets see him get on with it, without blaming referees.

 

Oh no, I really hope he doesn't get fined a couple of hundred quid.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

According to today's press (Times Monday) Pardew is likely to face disciplinary action from the FA for his 'we wuz robbed' comments and criticism of the ref at Stockport. As an experienced manager he should have known better, and he shouldn't overlook that it was his team's failure to score a second goal and their failure to keep control of the ball in the final stages, that resulted in the draw. Ref's decisions go both ways and too many managers only see the ones that favour the opposition. Its disapointing that Pardew behaved like one of them when he has previously said there will be no excuses. He's doing a good job for SFC, although maybe hasn't been able to get enough transfer budget out of the owners, which may not be his fault, so lets see him get on with it, without blaming referees.

 

So if you are an experienced manager you should not criticise the ref...

lol....what has being experienced go to do with it?

 

Most of the games experienced managers criticise the ref and one time or another,including all the top teams managers.

 

It will always happen born out of frustration,passion and commitment

to the success of their side,are you suggesting they all just stand and accept

the laughable decisions made by the officials on a regular basis...?

 

Not going to happen is it...?

[Professor]

So if you are an experienced manager you should not criticise the ref...lol....what has being experienced go to do with it?

Most of the games experienced managers criticise the ref and one time or another,including all the top teams managers.

It will always happen born out of frustration,passion and commitment

to the success of their side,are you suggesting they all just stand and accept

the laughable decisions made by the officials on a regular basis...?

Not going to happen is it...?

 

The 'laughable' decisions are made by match officials who are trained in their jobs, are doing their best in difficult, snap second, situations, and who, unlike managers, are impartial. Without them football could not take place, yet they constantly get abuse from players, managers and fans. What the experienced manager should know is that once the game is over, complaining about the ref will change nothing, but maybe the manager finds it easier to complain about the ref than to accept the shortcomings of his team.

[Saints foreva]

Just watched the highlights on 'Saints Player', I can see why Pardew is annoyed and thought we should of had another penalty. Mellis was brought down inside the box by the Stockport defender, clear penalty imo.

 

Oh and it looked like Saga was onside for his goal, oh well **** happens.

[RonManager]

It was the kind of annoying result that most teams get a few times times a season. It just had to happen when we are gagging for our first win.

[Wes Tender]

The 'laughable' decisions are made by match officials who are trained in their jobs, are doing their best in difficult, snap second, situations, and who, unlike managers, are impartial. Without them football could not take place, yet they constantly get abuse from players, managers and fans. What the experienced manager should know is that once the game is over, complaining about the ref will change nothing, but maybe the manager finds it easier to complain about the ref than to accept the shortcomings of his team.

 

They're exactly the same as anybody else employed to do a job. If they screw up, they deserve to be told about it. Yes, they're prone to the occasional error of judgement making split second decisions, but when they make a habit of making the wrong decisions which influence the match result, then the FA needs to take action. If they wish to discipline Pardew for his comments, then they ought to have a look themselves at the decisions that caused him to be upset. If other managers complain about the same referee, then they will be forced to act too. Pressure will inevitably grow for the football governing bodies to introduce electronic technology and I for one will welcome it, as the standards in the lower divisions are absolutely dire.

[Wade Garrett]

I don't see the point of moaning about referees. It's not the clever way to get them on your side.

 

Brian Clough refused to criticise referees, and wouldn't let his players argue with them. It's a shame that more do not follow his lead.

 

Roy Keane has had a shocking start to his Ipswich career. He doesn't even try to mask his teams failings. He simply tells some of them that enough is enough, they aren't good enough, and won't play for him again. Pardew should be doing the same.

 

Refs should be accountable, but so should managers. In my opinion, Pardew was crap against Brentford. His decision to start Paterson was lamentable. His insistence on playing Lallana wide in a 4-4-2, when we have the players to play a 4-3-3 system is poor. How would he have felt if the ref said this to the TV cameras after the game.

 

We all make mistakes Alan, you included. Get over it.

[kpturner]

I don't see the point of moaning about referees. It's not the clever way to get them on your side.

 

Brian Clough refused to criticise referees, and wouldn't let his players argue with them. It's a shame that more do not follow his lead.

 

Roy Keane has had a shocking start to his Ipswich career. He doesn't even try to mask his teams failings. He simply tells some of them that enough is enough, they aren't good enough, and won't play for him again. Pardew should be doing the same.

 

Refs should be accountable, but so should managers. In my opinion, Pardew was crap against Brentford. His decision to start Paterson was lamentable. His insistence on playing Lallana wide in a 4-4-2, when we have the players to play a 4-3-3 system is poor. How would he have felt if the ref said this to the TV cameras after the game.

 

We all make mistakes Alan, you included. Get over it.

I am not commenting on whether or not I agree with your points. However, I do have to ask what it is that makes you better qualified to know what, how and whom to play than AP? I have been watching football for donkeys years, and although I find some decisions by managers baffling, this is usually because I and all the other know-it-all punters in the stand are not managers/coaches of a professional football team. We are not qualifed to judge IMHO. I don't doubt they make mistakes, but I would hazard a guess that if you were privvy to their reasoning when they make a decision you would probably be inclined to agree with it. Isn't it our own ignorance and frustration that causes the "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the bench? Now you are going to tell me you are indeed a professional and make me wish I'd kept quiet aren't you? :-)

[Wade Garrett]

I am not commenting on whether or not I agree with your points. However, I do have to ask what it is that makes you better qualified to know what, how and whom to play than AP? I have been watching football for donkeys years, and although I find some decisions by managers baffling, this is usually because I and all the other know-it-all punters in the stand are not managers/coaches of a professional football team. We are not qualifed to judge IMHO. I don't doubt they make mistakes, but I would hazard a guess that if you were privvy to their reasoning when they make a decision you would probably be inclined to agree with it. Isn't it our own ignorance and frustration that causes the "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the bench? Now you are going to tell me you are indeed a professional and make me wish I'd kept quiet aren't you? :-)

 

I am no more qualified than you! It's just my opinion that Lallana is better off behind the front 2, then we had Gillet and Hammond to do the donkey work in midfield with Morgan with them.

 

I think that would work better than a 4-4-2 with no real wingers. Just my opinion, and I don't think Pardew's a muppet.

[kpturner]

I am no more qualified than you! It's just my opinion that Lallana is better off behind the front 2, then we had Gillet and Hammond to do the donkey work in midfield with Morgan with them.

 

I think that would work better than a 4-4-2 with no real wingers. Just my opinion, and I don't think Pardew's a muppet.

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