saint_stevo Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 If he fails to make the playoffs next season, then maybe threads like this should come up. But until then let’s just zip it... League 2 play-off's?
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 If we do not start beating teams like Yeovil & Bristol Rovers at home next month I expect the pressure on AP will seriously grow both on here and generally.Yes he should be given time and performances are improving but we now need results in September and we should be beating managerless Colchester,Yeovil and Bristol Rovers at home aswell as Carlisle away.If we win none of these fixtures I would then fear for Pardew's future. I don't want a change and want Pardew to succeed.Lets hope September is the month for us.Its funny how certain months seem cursed in a season where we win no games.Lets hope this season August is our nightmare month!!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Bryan Gunn went after 1 game - thats stupid
mcjwills Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Hmm lets change manager every 5 games and get in the record books for having 9 managers in one season. Get a life chopping and changing our managers is one of the reasons we are in the provervbial that we are at present. AP needs to be given time, as I was not there yesterday I can not comment, but from all that I have read the team was an improvement from previous games, so that is a step forward, I am sure AP will be working on closing a 1-0 lead out this week with the team. We will start winning soon, and then the whingers on here will start to complain that we are not winning by a big enough margin, because if the resident Victor Meldrews on this site have nothing to complain about, life will not be worth living. PS I dont think 3 points from 5 games is acceptable, but certainly not time to be calling for heads, Rome was not built in a day and the disasterous situation that he took over is going to take time to reapir, Hell we got our first point away from home yesterday, but for some of us the glass is half full, for others its half empty.
eurosaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Lawrie took us down before our best spell in our history, Ferguson was crap at the start for Man U before their best spell. Lowe employed a manager a year before our worst spell ever. Its easy really - Pardew should be to get on with it for his entire contract? Results were crap, but perhaps he was rebuilding the broken structure which he inherited ? There could be similarities here at SMS and the only way we will find out is if we give AP the time to do it ! In 2 short months we have had: 1) A new owner. 2) A new CEO. 3) A new manager. 4) A new assistant manager. 5) New scouts. 6) New players. Should we be idiotic enough to sack the manager then we start the whole process again ! Ps. Paul, I realise that we are in agreement, I just wanted to highlight the Fergie bit to stress a point !!!
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Nobody has actually said AP should be sacked/replaced - we are just not satisfied about our start. 3 points from 15 when we started -10 is not good. Have we said AP should go - no. I'm starting to thing the HC's cant read?
SNSUN Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 PARDEW OUT ...side training with the squad tomorrow. Oh, and hopefully making a few more signings by Tuesday.
revolution saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Nobody has actually said AP should be sacked/replaced - we are just not satisfied about our start. 3 points from 15 when we started -10 is not good. Have we said AP should go - no. I'm starting to thing the HC's cant read? Have you said anything? I doubt it.... You've whinged a bit that you're not happy at our start, well who is? Everyone else can see that it'll probably take a bit of time. You just want to throw your toys out of the pram and cry.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Have you said anything? I doubt it.... You've whinged a bit that you're not happy at our start, well who is? Everyone else can see that it'll probably take a bit of time. You just want to throw your toys out of the pram and cry. Why did you send me a PM earlier saying that I am your best friend and thanking me for my contribution only to come on here a few minutes later and talk about prams and crying? Messed up man. We can still be best friends - dont do this again.
BadgerBadger Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) I want the usual negative impatient posters out who feel the need to continuley pour fuel on the fire that we're doomed - we're in a position to give the man time so lets do it FFS Please see the reality of the situation in it's context - please..... Edited 30 August, 2009 by BadgerBadger
Red&White Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I want the usual negative impatient posters out who feel the need to continuley pour fuel on the fire that we're doomed - where in a position to give the man time so lets do it FFS Please see the reality of the situation in it's context - please..... Spot on mate !
Rooster Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 mr pardew will succeed, may take few years but we will never get anywhere without some stability-top bloke who's inherited **** team **** me we are as bad as those northern monkeys for wanting glory yesterday-pointless thread end it
Docker Walker6 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 cant think that anyone does...to be fair..!!! Pointless Thread!
thorpie the sinner Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 AP will get us back where we belong, simple as that in my humble opinion!
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) People have to understand that ML is not going to throw money at us like the owners of Notts County are doing for them. I've seen ML quoted somewhere as saying that he does not believe in taking on debt, so if this is correct then his policy is going to be that we spend what we generate ourselves. So, if we want success quicker we will need our fans to fill St Mary's every week, and the local businesses to spend more on sponsoring the club. This 'self sufficiency' policy means that we may have to be VERY patient. If the fans are not patient and crowds drop off, then this will probably hinder the clubs progress. I personally would like to see the club kick started by seeing us go out and purchase a number of decent players that would put bums on seats, but as i said I don't think thats the way ML will operate. Oh, and for me Pardew is the best man for the job! Edited 30 August, 2009 by CLOTH EARS
BadgerBadger Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 People have to understand that ML is not going to throw money at us like the owners of Notts County are doing for them. I've seen ML quoted somewhere as saying that he does not believe in taking on debt, so if this is correct then his policy is going to be that we spend what we generate ourselves. So, if we want success quicker we will need our fans to fill St Mary's every week, and the local businesses to spend more on sponsoring the club. This 'self sufficiency' policy means that we may have to be VERY patient. If the fans are not patient and crowds drop off, then this will probably hinder the clubs progress. I personally would like to see the club kick started by seeing us go out and purchase a number of decent players that would put bums on seats, but as i said I don't think thats the way ML will operate. Oh, and for me Pardew is the best man for the job! Well said - we can expect more stringent rules on clubs living within their means and we are very well placed to be building on that ethos and will be ahead of the game in years to come. It'll be the fans ultimately that build this club not some mega rich monkey spunking money all over the place and I'm all for it, it'll be our club!
JibMcdo Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 AP commented how good our fans are as being one of the reasons he joined. I wonder if he has changed his mind yet.
CB Fry Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 Hmm lets change manager every 5 games and get in the record books for having 9 managers in one season. Get a life chopping and changing our managers is one of the reasons we are in the provervbial that we are at present. AP needs to be given time, as I was not there yesterday I can not comment, but from all that I have read the team was an improvement from previous games, so that is a step forward, I am sure AP will be working on closing a 1-0 lead out this week with the team. We will start winning soon, and then the whingers on here will start to complain that we are not winning by a big enough margin, because if the resident Victor Meldrews on this site have nothing to complain about, life will not be worth living. PS I dont think 3 points from 5 games is acceptable, but certainly not time to be calling for heads, Rome was not built in a day and the disasterous situation that he took over is going to take time to reapir, Hell we got our first point away from home yesterday, but for some of us the glass is half full, for others its half empty. Err - dopey posts like this is precisely why TDD started this thread. Up your own arse lectures railing against 'people who want the manager out'. But there ISN'T anyone who wants him out. You're pompously lecturing figments of your imagination. Shut up. Thanks.
Thedelldays Posted 31 August, 2009 Author Posted 31 August, 2009 AP commented how good our fans are as being one of the reasons he joined. I wonder if he has changed his mind yet. Why. Do the fans want him out
dune Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 Err - dopey posts like this is precisely why TDD started this thread. And the fact he's a boring attention seeker.
Thedelldays Posted 31 August, 2009 Author Posted 31 August, 2009 And the fact he's a boring attention seeker. Hmmm bit rich I started this thread as I was accused by pm that I want pards out and that some do.... I am just curious to see if anyone does want him out or are people just making it up to suit a point of view ?
CB Fry Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 Hmmm bit rich I started this thread as I was accused by pm that I want pards out and that some do.... I am just curious to see if anyone does want him out or are people just making it up to suit a point of view ? Current scoreboard: people who want Pardew out: zero, none, no one. People pompously grandstanding against 'all the people that want Pardew out': about thirty-five. I look forward to these divs coming out when we do win ranting on with the old 'see? SEE? Told you so' routine to a load of people that DO NOT EXIST. People call TDD an attention seeker but he's not arguing obsessively with a non existant view point like some of you lot.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 Hmmm bit rich I started this thread as I was accused by pm that I want pards out and that some do.... I am just curious to see if anyone does want him out or are people just making it up to suit a point of view ? From personal experience I can assure you it's almost impossible to get even 12 people to agree on any contentious issue , so it would be very odd if nobody among maybe 30,000 Saints fans wanted AP out wouldn't it ? A better question is - 'What is the conscious of opinion among Saintsweb members ? Reading this thread the answer seems pretty obvious .
Saint in Paradise Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 I would like AP out, out spending money on some more better players
mcjwills Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 Err - dopey posts like this is precisely why TDD started this thread. Up your own arse lectures railing against 'people who want the manager out'. But there ISN'T anyone who wants him out. You're pompously lecturing figments of your imagination. Shut up. Thanks. CB I just get more peed off with posters like TDD trying to incite people to come up with reasons why AP should go rather than the positives that have happened, TDD has no right to complain unless he is at St Mary's to witness the defeats or draws himself, but as I said the Victor Meldrews even if we win the negative attitude will be that the win was not by a large against margin.
Thedelldays Posted 31 August, 2009 Author Posted 31 August, 2009 CB I just get more peed off with posters like TDD trying to incite people to come up with reasons why AP should go rather than the positives that have happened, TDD has no right to complain unless he is at St Mary's to witness the defeats or draws himself, but as I said the Victor Meldrews even if we win the negative attitude will be that the win was not by a large against margin. but I have not tried to incite anyone.. I have been and other been accused of wanting pardew out....when that simply is not the case...being miffed that we have not won yet this season bothers me...as does every defeat etc.. have you even read this thread from start to finish as you are waaaaay wrong..
mcjwills Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 but I have not tried to incite anyone.. I have been and other been accused of wanting pardew out....when that simply is not the case...being miffed that we have not won yet this season bothers me...as does every defeat etc.. have you even read this thread from start to finish as you are waaaaay wrong.. So change the title to "Whos backing Pardew - I am" then
Thedelldays Posted 31 August, 2009 Author Posted 31 August, 2009 So change the title to "Whos backing Pardew - I am" then I think i have stated god knows how many times on many threads that I think pardew is a very good manager..even had to defend him when quite alot were "underwhelmed" by his appointment even after a utterly crap start (for various reasons) I think we will be OK...well, more than OK.. Does it really matter that I hate it when we lose..? does that mean posters have to get personal becuase I dont like it when saints lose..? why do some feel the need (gingeletiss take note)...why..? does it bother you or others that I dont share the same view that losing is OK...im NOT asking for pardew to go, the exact opposite...I am just not happy when we get 3 points from 15....the same would be if we were top and achieved the same points from 5 games... when people get personal because they dont share your view, is quite Ironic when they have a pop at you.. Peace
sotonjoe Posted 31 August, 2009 Posted 31 August, 2009 This is another hilarious thread; people arguing against a point of view that apparently nobody actually holds. Craziness.
Thedelldays Posted 31 August, 2009 Author Posted 31 August, 2009 This is another hilarious thread; people arguing against a point of view that apparently nobody actually holds. Craziness. indeed...lol
saint_stevo Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 i will in 5games if we haven't accrued at least another 10pts
kpturner Posted 5 September, 2009 Posted 5 September, 2009 No. We gotta stay with him regardless same way that charlton stuck with parkinson.
captainchris Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Anyone that can still defend 3 points from 15 is as daft as someone saying AP should go. Our start is pathetic, but AP should be given time (at least 2 years im) - he has proved before that he can deliver.....i'm sure he is as frustrated as us. Doesnt help us fans feeling disappointed.....expected much more. For Christ sake how can you say give AP two years. So if that were for instance two years without a win that's ok is it? I am perplexed by the number of number of happy clappies on here at the moment. Yes give him time but don't bury your head in the sand!
saintwarwick Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 For Christ sake how can you say give AP two years. So if that were for instance two years without a win that's ok is it? I am perplexed by the number of number of happy clappies on here at the moment. Yes give him time but don't bury your head in the sand! I'm sure most on here will see some wins soon, happy clappies or not a manager needs time to gel his team. Maybe you should bury your head in the sand and someone kick your arse when we have the first win under our belt.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Pointless getting rid of the manager before he's had a chance to work with all the players he's signed. We'll turn the corner. Hopefully the board will give him time. By the way, was Steve Coppell at the game yesterday?
aintforever Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 I don't think anyone thinks he should be sacked now, it makes sense to give him time to build his team and show what he is about. However even the happiest clappiest mong on here has to admit he has started poorly, if it carries on too long then the club have to consider sacking him.
Bowman Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Why, please explain Pardew is not a good manager. What he has been at times is a lucky manager. This was certainly true at Reading where he had the resources at his disposal to go out and buy his way out of trouble. For instance, both Jamie Cureton and Anthony Rougier were bought to cover injuries for Nicky Forster and Martin Butler leaving him with the firepower to blast his way out of league 1 (Division 2 as it was then). Even that opportunity was nearly blown. Reading fluffed the play-off final in 2001, and the following season drew something like 11 games on the trot at the end of the campaign blowing a good lead in the title race to just scrape up in second place thanks to a late Cureton equaliser at Brentford. The following season Reading finished in a play-off position in the Championship. Very admirable except much of that was achieved by playing one up front for most of the campaign, namely Nicky Forster, who was ligthening quick had the season of his life. The luck ran out in the play-off semi final that year (Forster was deliberately crocked at Wolves), and Pardew legged it to West Ham the following September. Once again it was the relatively large resources at West Ham that eventually got them back in to the Premiership, winning the play-off final against Preston after defeat in Cardiff the previous season. Without Bobby Zamora's winning goal he'd have been sacked then.
Wade Garrett Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Pardew is not a good manager. What he has been at times is a lucky manager. This was certainly true at Reading where he had the resources at his disposal to go out and buy his way out of trouble. For instance, both Jamie Cureton and Anthony Rougier were bought to cover injuries for Nicky Forster and Martin Butler leaving him with the firepower to blast his way out of league 1 (Division 2 as it was then). Even that opportunity was nearly blown. Reading fluffed the play-off final in 2001, and the following season drew something like 11 games on the trot at the end of the campaign blowing a good lead in the title race to just scrape up in second place thanks to a late Cureton equaliser at Brentford. The following season Reading finished in a play-off position in the Championship. Very admirable except much of that was achieved by playing one up front for most of the campaign, namely Nicky Forster, who was ligthening quick had the season of his life. The luck ran out in the play-off semi final that year (Forster was deliberately crocked at Wolves), and Pardew legged it to West Ham the following September. Once again it was the relatively large resources at West Ham that eventually got them back in to the Premiership, winning the play-off final against Preston after defeat in Cardiff the previous season. Without Bobby Zamora's winning goal he'd have been sacked then. I'd settle for a lucky manager.
Saint_clark Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Pardew is not a good manager. What he has been at times is a lucky manager. This was certainly true at Reading where he had the resources at his disposal to go out and buy his way out of trouble. For instance, both Jamie Cureton and Anthony Rougier were bought to cover injuries for Nicky Forster and Martin Butler leaving him with the firepower to blast his way out of league 1 (Division 2 as it was then). Even that opportunity was nearly blown. Reading fluffed the play-off final in 2001, and the following season drew something like 11 games on the trot at the end of the campaign blowing a good lead in the title race to just scrape up in second place thanks to a late Cureton equaliser at Brentford. The following season Reading finished in a play-off position in the Championship. Very admirable except much of that was achieved by playing one up front for most of the campaign, namely Nicky Forster, who was ligthening quick had the season of his life. The luck ran out in the play-off semi final that year (Forster was deliberately crocked at Wolves), and Pardew legged it to West Ham the following September. Once again it was the relatively large resources at West Ham that eventually got them back in to the Premiership, winning the play-off final against Preston after defeat in Cardiff the previous season. Without Bobby Zamora's winning goal he'd have been sacked then. What a ridiculous thing to say You could equally say that without Solksjaers goal in '99, Fergie would have been sacked. Does that make him lucky?
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 Pointless getting rid of the manager before he's had a chance to work with all the players he's signed. We'll turn the corner. Hopefully the board will give him time. By the way, was Steve Coppell at the game yesterday? No, but Tony Pulis was there, Row 3A
Bowman Posted 6 September, 2009 Posted 6 September, 2009 What a ridiculous thing to say You could equally say that without Solksjaers goal in '99, Fergie would have been sacked. Does that make him lucky? That's the wrong comparison. Without Mark Robins goals in the 1990 FA Cup he probably would have been.
Thedelldays Posted 6 September, 2009 Author Posted 6 September, 2009 That's the wrong comparison. Without Mark Robins goals in the 1990 FA Cup he probably would have been. yep...he was that game away from going...
saintwarwick Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 Pardew is not a good manager. What he has been at times is a lucky manager. This was certainly true at Reading where he had the resources at his disposal to go out and buy his way out of trouble. For instance, both Jamie Cureton and Anthony Rougier were bought to cover injuries for Nicky Forster and Martin Butler leaving him with the firepower to blast his way out of league 1 (Division 2 as it was then). Even that opportunity was nearly blown. Reading fluffed the play-off final in 2001, and the following season drew something like 11 games on the trot at the end of the campaign blowing a good lead in the title race to just scrape up in second place thanks to a late Cureton equaliser at Brentford. The following season Reading finished in a play-off position in the Championship. Very admirable except much of that was achieved by playing one up front for most of the campaign, namely Nicky Forster, who was ligthening quick had the season of his life. The luck ran out in the play-off semi final Wthat year (Forster was deliberately crocked at Wolves), and Pardew legged it to West Ham the following September. Once again it was the relatively large resources at West Ham that eventually got them back in to the Premiership, winning the play-off final against Preston after defeat in Cardiff the previous season. Without Bobby Zamora's winning goal he'd have been sacked then. So just run me through how Reading and West Ham were not succesful then without one player you mention, surely it is about eleven players ffs.
SaintRobbie Posted 8 September, 2009 Posted 8 September, 2009 I want Pards out. ... in about 6 years time if he's failed to return us to the Premiership!
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