lordswoodsaints Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 To be out of minus points after 5 games which I thought wasn't too unrealistic.....this was the prediction I made to myself before the start of the season. This obviously hasn't happened. When did you expect to be shot of the -10??
lee_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I have in my mind what I expected.....but I'm going to take it as it comes now.
scotty Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I didn't have a clue wtf to expect, but whatever I had in my addled mind wasn't as bad as this. Its getting painful.
Bad Wolf Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I expected/hoped the deduction would be gone by 20th September
egreog Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I would imagine by mid October we should be in credit.....after the last 6 months it would be an acheivement, with a hope of being off the bottom by beginning of February........thats is realism......not the fantasy league that many posters seem to live in!
Under Weststand Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I thought 1-point Milwall 0-points Hudd 3-points Swindon 3-points Brentford 1 point defo at County hoped for 3 So I had hoped & expected to 0 or at worst -2 points tonight. But when has anything worked out for us over the last 5/6 years. I really wouldn't like to predict when we will get to zero now. But we have to stop loosing ground on 5th bottom.
Block 5 Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I thought I really wouldn't like to predict when we will get to zero now. But we have to stop loosing ground on5th bottom. Totally agree...... you have hit the nail on the head. Even without the 10 point deduction we would be THIRD FROM BOTTOM!!!! We are the 3rd worst team in league division 3.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I thought that by now we'd be in positive points. 3 points from 6 games is not a great start even starting on 0 points. The only team in the league with 3 points (which is what we would have if we started on the same amount of points) are Tranmere who are 22nd in the League. This is quite clearly relegation form, and I don't like saying that this early on in the campaign. However, I am still confident and have full faith in Pardew. As I said, it's early days, we just need to find a bit of form and confidence and we'll be well on our way.
saintedwill Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I really think that people who are expecting us to be in positive points by now after the pre-season we've had, have know idea what this league is about at all. It is going to take time and the squad we went into this League with weren't ready to compete in it. If you look around this league, it isn't short of good experienced managers who know how to prey on a team like ours who are inexperienced (as a group) at this level. Pardew knows this and (Mellis) apart, that's why he's brought in the players he has. Now I don't expect instant results from this, but the performances have been getting better and Pardew's signings (Lambert, Hammond, Harding) have set a standard for the rest to follow. I hope he'll get a few more players in before the transfer window closes and I expect things to improve rapidly. It just needs that one game where it all clicks and we're away. A bit more work on the training ground and I don't think we're too far off that.
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I think AP had hoped to be out of them after 6 games. It has been my concern all along that we needed to get off to a flyer.That is why I was more impatient than some about getting new faces in and the uphappy ones gone.It is still too soon to really worry but we need to forget all the 'we will make the playoffs stuff' Stay up will be an achievment.
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 i still think we'll be pushing for play offsyou are barking!!!!!
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 i still think we'll be pushing for play offs No chance now IMO. I'd happily take mid table right now, which would be playoff form anyway
Yate Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I thought we would be -2 by now. What makes it worse is how well Charlton have done. We are playing them soon and that will be interesting to see how we fair against them. Let's not panic though, we could win every game from now on!!
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 i still think we'll be pushing for play offs What next season in League 2?
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 i still think we'll be pushing for play offs Highly doubt that, we are 11 points adrift of safety now. (I'm not saying this as if we are going down, we are only 5 games into the season, not 5 games from the end.)
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) No chance now IMO. I'd happily take mid table right now, which would be playoff form anyway Mid Table say 60 points need another 67 in 41 games 20 wins 7 draws 14 losses a possibility I would have thought Originally I was expecting us to get about 70 points in the whole season so be on about -2 now and clear the deficit by next week Edited 30 August, 2009 by John B
explorer saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Pardew stated that he wanted 10 points out of the first 5 games we are 7 points short. I'm now lookin at the gap betweeen us and the last relagation place thats all that matters this season now.
Block 5 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I thought we would be -2 by now. What makes it worse is how well Charlton have done. We are playing them soon and that will be interesting to see how we fair against them. Let's not panic though, we could win every game from now on!! I can't help thinking that we will get absolutely slaughtered by Charlton.
hamster Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Highly doubt that, we are 11 points adrift of safety now. (I'm not saying this as if we are going down, we are only 5 games into the season, not 5 games from the end.) This season has gone at lightning speed already hasn't it! It seems like only yesterday we were getting excited about the Millwall game and now we are a tenth of the way in. So much seems to have happened and yet so little appears to have changed.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I can't help thinking that we will get absolutely slaughtered by Charlton. I'm pretty sure we are going to get absolutely ripped apart. But that won't stop me from going up there... Mind you, I will only end up being disappointed by the result and by our away support which will most likely be more quiet than a minute's silence and as negative as -7... I am looking forward to it though.
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I can't help thinking that we will get absolutely slaughtered by Charlton. I dont think we will get slaughtered Pardew has a lot to prove at the Valley
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 We should take some time to watch carefully how Charlton are playing - hoof it, tippy tap passing or a mixture of both. In short, what is it about a club as close to imploding as Saints were that gets them playing the tpe of football that puts them at the top of the league? Their results would indicate there is something consistent about their play. They are the form team in L1, but I do not think they will slaughter us.
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I can't help thinking that we will get absolutely slaughtered by Charlton. I think you'll be surprised. Charlton aren't ''that'' good - they're just clicking at the moment and benefiting from a squad and management continuity. And those wins can't keep going all season. TBH this is the sort of game Saints win - when we're not expected to.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I think you'll be surprised. Charlton aren't ''that'' good - they're just clicking at the moment and benefiting from a squad and management continuity. And those wins can't keep going all season. TBH this is the sort of game Saints win - when we're not expected to. Not to mention some of the unpredictable aspects of this league like the rubbish, in consistent refereeing decisions. There are too many variables in this league IMO to say with certainty we will be slaughtered - we're not talking about really class teams now are we?
Mase Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I’d be relatively pleased with a mid table finish this season. Although next season I expect automatic promotion and nothing less. Our squad and manager on paper are the best in this league, but I understand that it can take a while to adapt and that’s fine, I’m willing to wait..! But one season is enough to adapt for a talented squad and manager. I thought it would take 5 games to get us out of minus points. Now I think it could be 7.
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Not to mention some of the unpredictable aspects of this league like the rubbish, in consistent refereeing decisions. There are too many variables in this league IMO to say with certainty we will be slaughtered - we're not talking about really class teams now are we? Not at all, the teams at the top have a workman like ethic about them, with 1 or 2 stand out players that get them the goals. Rhodes at Huddersfield for e.g. Many people predicted we'd get slaughtered by Brum, but we didnt - and i knew we wouldn't. This is a good group of players, more so than many teams in this league which is why we are so frustrated we cannot get that win. but as i said on another thread, it's more down to the pressure than our lack of ability. Once we get into + Points and off the bottom, we'll start playing without that pressure. - i just hope it's not too long!
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I’d be relatively pleased with a mid table finish this season. Although next season I expect automatic promotion and nothing less. Our squad and manager on paper are the best in this league, but I understand that it can take a while to adapt and that’s fine, I’m willing to wait..! But one season is enough to adapt for a talented squad and manager. I thought it would take 5 games to get us out of minus points. Now I think it could be 7. 5 games have gone and we are on -7 points. You now think it will be 7 games to get into the positives, but we can only get a maximum of 6 points from the next two games, meaning we will be on -1 after 7 games if we win both...
hamster Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 5 games have gone and we are on -7 points. You now think it will be 7 games to get into the positives, but we can only get a maximum of 6 points from the next two games, meaning we will be on -1 after 7 games if we win both... Maybe he meant 7 MORE games?
scotty Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Pardew stated that he wanted 10 points out of the first 5 games we are 7 points short. I'm now lookin at the gap betweeen us and the last relagation place thats all that matters this season now. Its a little early for that. If the squad AP is (still) putting together gels, who knows what could happen. Its still worth remembering that we have the strongest buying power in the league, last years top scorer, and a manager who knows the game inside-out at every level; sooner or later that will have to tell, surely?
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Its a little early for that. If the squad AP is (still) putting together gels, who knows what could happen. Its still worth remembering that we have the strongest buying power in the league, last years top scorer, and a manager who knows the game inside-out at every level; sooner or later that will have to tell, surely? You would have thought so but when?
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Maybe he meant 7 MORE games? That would equate to a point a game... Mind you, that's not unrealistic...
Mase Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 5 games have gone and we are on -7 points. You now think it will be 7 games to get into the positives, but we can only get a maximum of 6 points from the next two games, meaning we will be on -1 after 7 games if we win both... My mistake. I forgot about the Brentford game as I wasn’t there. 7 more games? Bloody hell I hope not.
scotty Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 You would have thought so but when? I'm making no predictions. I already lost a tenner at Ladbrokes on the strength of monkadill's endless "We will be getting Coppell" bullsh*t....
hamster Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 We are actually on gthe same points as we were last season after 5 games iirc, and we have team still settling this year so if we're aftrer positives, we only need to get that first win from the next 2 games to be doing better. I accept that last season was the worst in my time supporting Saints but we are still settling and finding our feet, whereas last time around we were on the slippery slope. Since we dropped from the PL, teams have susssed us out pretty early on and I think we need a spend a bit more time to suss THEM out this time around. League 1 is no place for current form either, forget yesterday's game, AP will be focussing on Colchester now. Take away their freak 7-1 against Norwich and they are only 3 points better than us. Alan should get himself down to Priestfiled on Tuesday for theie JPT match and kill 2 birds; check up on them and haive a discreet chat with Simeon Jackson in the car park. I reckon Paul Scally would be keen to chat earleir in the day too, witha view to Jackson being 'not available' for selection or the match. I reckon he
hamster Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 /\ I may even pop along to Priestfiled myself as I need to take GKs home some time this week, and it's only a tenner and kids go free.
Dellman Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 I thought we would reach zero in 7 matches (we won't), my other target was to be clear of the bottom three after 17 matches (we will). Everything is improving, so don't panic.
WealdSaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 We are not where I wanted us to be by now. However, the consensus among those that are watching them regularly is that on the pitch we are getting better. I'll settle for survival this season. However, next season we should set our sights on winning this league by a country mile.
Amesbury Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Totally agree...... you have hit the nail on the head. Even without the 10 point deduction we would be THIRD FROM BOTTOM!!!! We are the 3rd worst team in league division 3. Thats the bit that worries me the most. Even without the points deduction we would be third from bottom. Whats the point of having a billionaire owner and being bottom / third from bottom?
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Thats the bit that worries me the most. Even without the points deduction we would be third from bottom. Whats the point of having a billionaire owner and being bottom / third from bottom? Because if we did not have this billionaire owner we would not have a club for **** sake... Things do not happen overnight.
Amesbury Saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Because if we did not have this billionaire owner we would not have a club for **** sake... Things do not happen overnight. so how long do I have to wait before 1. A win 2. 0 points in the table 3. Safety in this division 4. Promotion 5. Wembely cup final (happy for it to be a JPT)
kpturner Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Whats the point of having a billionaire owner and being bottom / third from bottom?:confused: That was a joke - right? Being in the bottom four is worrying, but what is having a billionaire owner got to do with it? He became a billionaire by being a shrewd businessman, not by pulling football results out of a hat like rabbits. He has employed what he believes if the right team, and it hasn't quite gone as well as we hoped - so far. Football is a fickle business, that is why QPR are not winning the Premier League at the moment.
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 so how long do I have to wait before 1. A win 2. 0 points in the table 3. Safety in this division 4. Promotion 5. Wembely cup final (happy for it to be a JPT) 1. Could be a week or two. 2. Could be a month. 3 and 4. Too early to say. It's only 5 games into the season. These things take time. 5. Not many teams get a Wembley cup final. Don't hold your breath. Now I have some questions. 1. Where would we be without Liebherr? 2. How many years did we suffer from debts, poor management and inconsistency. 3. Do we have a proven manager? 4. How many teams go out and win everything 5 league games after having a new manager and new owners, a total shakeup of the way the club works. 5. QPR are richer than us, and they haven't set the world alight. (This is a statement, not a question) The thing is, we may be rich, but this doesn't mean we are going to go out and immediately win every game. The process in which we turn around the club from near-'death' and poor management does take time, and some people need to accept that. I understand impatience and I too start to wonder the questions you have posed, but as it stands there is nothing we can do apart from give 100% in supporting our team and just be thankful we still have a team to support.
kpturner Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 so how long do I have to wait before 1. A win 2. 0 points in the table 3. Safety in this division 4. Promotion 5. Wembely cup final (happy for it to be a JPT)OK - it wasn't a joke....but I think I need to cut you some slack because from that post I can tell you are only about 15 years old.
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Because if we did not have this billionaire owner we would not have a club for **** sake... Things do not happen overnight. Not at Southampton but things seem to be better at Notts County and Man City
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Answers 1. Where would we be without Liebherr? Somebody else would have taken over 2. How many years did we suffer from debts 3 Poor management 5 Inconsistency 47 3. Do we have a proven manager? Not sure 4. How many teams go out and win everything 5 league games after having a new manager and new owners, a total shakeup of the way the club works Not many but most win some
RedAndWhite91 Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 Not at Southampton but things seem to be better at Notts County and Man City Notts County lost 1-0 to Barnet yesterday, I wonder if their fans are starting to act like ours?
gjphilsaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Posted 30 August, 2009 we must stop assuming that just because we are Southampton that it counts for something in this league... look beyond the name, the heritage and look at who we are right now and then... understand, we are where we are because of the immensly poor mismangement of the club at every level for the last half a decade or so.
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