chrisobee Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Man Utd beat Arsenal 2-1 yesterday but were actually very poor and somewhat lucky. Were there fans moaning ? I suspect not as they won. We play pretty well, get denied a win by the most dubious of penalties and it's doom and gloom for some people on here. Yes it would not have mattered had we been 2-0 ahead but we weren't and many games are won by the odd goal. IMO opinion Pardew is a million times better than any one we have had as a manager since Strachan and is doing well given the short time he had. If people want a miracle worker then I'm afraid you'll not find one in this life. Time to get a grip and get real, we are getting better and the results will go our way sooner or later I have no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 It seems a little like last season pretty football but no wins. Surely 3 points out of 15 no wins is not going to make fans be happy and positive. Every week I think we will win the next game but so far we have not and I feel with the squad we have we should be winning. We wanted a CB Striker and CM and everything would be OK WE have them and now we need more and everything will be OK well it maybe but there should be no excuses if we fail to win our next game So come on what is the solution? Sack the manager? Charlton are being hailed as the beacon yet Parkinson has had 6 months including losing 20 games or so yet some are calling for his head after 5!!! Throw money at the team.....many wanted Roy Keane...he is doing brilliantly at Ipswich isn't he! Where in any of my posts do I say I expect every one to be happy its just I refuse to join the band of wrist slitters after 5 games and when we are in August FFS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 So come on what is the solution? Sack the manager? Charlton are being hailed as the beacon yet Parkinson has had 6 months including losing 20 games or so yet some are calling for his head after 5!!! Throw money at the team.....many wanted Roy Keane...he is doing brilliantly at Ipswich isn't he! Where in any of my posts do I say I expect every one to be happy its just I refuse to join the band of wrist slitters after 5 games and when we are in August FFS!! I just want the Saints to win some games and we are not. At the moment Pardew has failed to deliver and does not appear to be able to organise the team to score goals and defend leads similar to Redknapp Things may improve but I thought that last week and the week before etc. I am told things are going to improve but they dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I just want the Saints to win some games and we are not. At the moment Pardew has failed to deliver and does not appear to be able to organise the team to score goals and defend leads similar to Redknapp Things may improve but I thought that last week and the week before etc. I am told things are going to improve but they dont Whilst you are of course entitled to your opinion John, which I respect, I am becoming increasingly irritated by the use of the "Pardew has failed to deliver" mantra which seems to be creeping in to many posters' vocabulary. In what way has he failed to deliver? If you mean he is not winning every game, then by that logic yes, he has failed; but then so has Arsene Wenger, Roy Keane, Chris Coleman and many others, all of whom I am sure you and others would have loved to have on board. Do people realise the extent of the rot in our club? Pardew has spoken about the dismal lack of infrastructure - the lack of scouts being a major one - and this will take time both to cure and to start having an effect. The players who were here last season were either not up to it, didn't want to be here or have had the confidence completely knocked out of them. That is not going to be changed overnight. It would appear that there has been a systematic failure at SFC over the last 2 years to coach players properly, to teach them their jobs properly. How do you undo that damage in a matter of weeks? You can't, simple as. Improvements have been made - everybody who went to the game yesterday is saying so and I am inclined to believe them, frankly - and will continue to be made. But we all have to be patient and expect that the corpse of a football club that was SFC pre-Liebherr is going to take some time to be revived. I will be judging Pardew at the end of this season and then again at the end of next. That, in my opinion, is reasonable. To say otherwise, to my mind, is sensationalist nonsense which demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of our predicament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) Whilst you are of course entitled to your opinion John, which I respect, I am becoming increasingly irritated by the use of the "Pardew has failed to deliver" mantra which seems to be creeping in to many posters' vocabulary. In what way has he failed to deliver? If you mean he is not winning every game, then by that logic yes, he has failed; but then so has Arsene Wenger, Roy Keane, Chris Coleman and many others, all of whom I am sure you and others would have loved to have on board. Do people realise the extent of the rot in our club? Pardew has spoken about the dismal lack of infrastructure - the lack of scouts being a major one - and this will take time both to cure and to start having an effect. The players who were here last season were either not up to it, didn't want to be here or have had the confidence completely knocked out of them. That is not going to be changed overnight. It would appear that there has been a systematic failure at SFC over the last 2 years to coach players properly, to teach them their jobs properly. How do you undo that damage in a matter of weeks? You can't, simple as. Improvements have been made - everybody who went to the game yesterday is saying so and I am inclined to believe them, frankly - and will continue to be made. But we all have to be patient and expect that the corpse of a football club that was SFC pre-Liebherr is going to take some time to be revived. I will be judging Pardew at the end of this season and then again at the end of next. That, in my opinion, is reasonable. To say otherwise, to my mind, is sensationalist nonsense which demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of our predicament. I think you maybe believing the Pardew hype which is up to you. Of course the club was not in a good shape because of the problems with money but Pardew might not be the manager you think he is Only time will tell if results improve dramatically you will of course be right . I just would like to win a couple of games thats all without excuses Edited 30 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I think you maybe believing the Pardew hype Not really; just prepared to give the patient more time to recover, that's all. If you have any better suggestions, am quite happy to hear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I just want the Saints to win some games and we are not. At the moment Pardew has failed to deliver and does not appear to be able to organise the team to score goals and defend leads similar to Redknapp Things may improve but I thought that last week and the week before etc. I am told things are going to improve but they dont So we haven't improved the team, performances on the pitch? The results have not come yet......so come on give us the solution and the quick fix. So you want Pardew sacked then as he is not delivering after 5 games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Handball has to be deliberate you ****ing cheating ref ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I saw the incident on the TV last night - quite obviously Trotman was trying to move his arm away from the ball, and that picture proves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Clear penalty for me (that pic foreshortens the distance between the players). If the Defender jumps to block the ball with his arms away from his body and the arm blocks the fds lob towards goal then it should be given a pen every time (we would have wanted it down the other end!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 So we haven't improved the team, performances on the pitch? The results have not come yet......so come on give us the solution and the quick fix. So you want Pardew sacked then as he is not delivering after 5 games! So you are quite happy with results so far then I just want Pardew to do the job he is paid for and produce some results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 It was a blatant penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Was a shocking decision for the penalty but we can't let that get in the way of how badly we played agaisnt a shocking side. We where crap, didn't try to play footbal and apart from a few headers we didn't create much either. Lots to worry about after yesterday. Lost any hope i've had for this season, we're in a relegation fight and the sooner we realise it the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 we can't let that get in the way of how badly we played agaisnt a shocking side. We where crap, didn't try to play footbal and apart from a few headers we didn't create much either. Lots to worry about after yesterday. Lost any hope i've had for this season, we're in a relegation fight and the sooner we realise it the better. This is the most depressing post I have read this weekend. This poster is not usually that wrong in his observations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 We are definitely going to get relegated. Pardew out111111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 So you are quite happy with results so far then I just want Pardew to do the job he is paid for and produce some results Read my posts FFS where have I said that I am? So you want Pardew sacked...answer the fcking question?? Who do you want in as replacement that can turn us around in 5 matches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 This is the most depressing post I have read this weekend. This poster is not usually that wrong in his observations 18 shots, hit the woodwork twice, maybe the poster forgot his guide dog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Read my posts FFS where have I said that I am? So you want Pardew sacked...answer the fcking question?? Who do you want in as replacement that can turn us around in 5 matches?? This is a public forum where people are allowed to put across a point of view. Mine is that Pardew and the team is not performing well at the moment and he may not be the right person for the job in hand only time will tell his record at Charlton was not that good but at Reading it was. It should be possible to discuss the manager without the need to suggest that he should be sacked. With the squad we have we should not be in the relegation zone on merit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 This is a public forum where people are allowed to put across a point of view. Mine is that Pardew and the team is not performing well at the moment and he may not be the right person for the job in hand only time will tell his record at Charlton was not that good but at Reading it was. It should be possible to discuss the manager without the need to suggest that he should be sacked. With the squad we have we should not be in the relegation zone on merit So you are saying Pardew is failing to deliver , but cant offer an alternative. If this is a public forum why are you taking umbridge when all I am questioning is your IMO ridiculous opinion that Pardew is expected to do this in 5 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) So you are saying Pardew is failing to deliver , but cant offer an alternative. If this is a public forum why are you taking umbridge when all I am questioning is your IMO ridiculous opinion that Pardew is expected to do this in 5 games? OK if you are happy with three points in five games that is alright by me despite Pardew suggesting that we would take ten points from the first five games. But being in the relegation zone on merit with the squad we have surely is not good enough that is my point and it is often difficult to move on from a bad start. I am not taking umbridge I thought it was you taking umbridge Edited 30 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 John B clearly is not a happy bunny.......but don't hold your breath that he will come up with a solution..neither he, nor the other wrist slitters on here. I just want the Saints to win some games and we are not. John.......I just want to win the lottery...but I won't. At the moment Pardew has failed to deliver and does not appear to be able to organise the team to score goals and defend leads similar to Redknapp What!!!!!!!! You are seriously having a laugh!!! Things may improve but I thought that last week and the week before etc. They have..............are you not seeing what the rest of us are seeing??? I am told things are going to improve but they dont Don't use a safty razor..........they're no good!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 OK if you are happy with three points in five games that is alright by me. But being in the relegation zone on merit with the squad we have surely is not good enough that is my point and it is often difficult to move on from a bad start Ok for the 3rd time I AM NOT HAPPY WITH 3 POINT FROM 5 GAMES.....is that clear enough for you!! I do not think its what many of us wanted or expected but this club was in such a state that we even had to bring in a new scouting network as it was a shambles. I am not totally convinced by Pardew and have heard from sources that he loves himself too much BUT its far too early after 5 games to expect him to turn round this wounded animal of a football club. I have seen improvement in the squad and play in recent games but then again I am looking for it and want us to do well unlike some on here that revel in our failure. Some on here only want to say "I told you so" in some sort of cyber gloating session rather than look at the bigger picture. Just so its clear for the 4th time I am not happy with 3 points but I am willing to give hime more than 5 games unlike some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 John B clearly is not a happy bunny.......but don't hold your breath that he will come up with a solution..neither he, nor the other wrist slitters on here. It is not for me to come up with a solution it is for the people to run the club to do that but despite Pardew's hype the club is hardly progressing Of course it may do so in time but after two seasons of rubbish I was hoping for better and a least a league win . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 It is not for me to come up with a solution it is for the people to run the club to do that but despite Pardew's hype the club is hardly progressing Of course it may do so in time but after two seasons of rubbish I was hoping for better and a least a league win . But John..........by the above statement, you have defeated your own argument. The people who run the club have come up with a solution........unfortunatly, it is one that you don't agree with. There is an easy answer to your problem.........if I go for a meal in a pub, and it's crap....I just won't go back there. Problem solved John........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Ok for the 3rd time I AM NOT HAPPY WITH 3 POINT FROM 5 GAMES.....is that clear enough for you!! I do not think its what many of us wanted or expected but this club was in such a state that we even had to bring in a new scouting network as it was a shambles. I am not totally convinced by Pardew and have heard from sources that he loves himself too much BUT its far too early after 5 games to expect him to turn round this wounded animal of a football club. I have seen improvement in the squad and play in recent games but then again I am looking for it and want us to do well unlike some on here that revel in our failure. Some on here only want to say "I told you so" in some sort of cyber gloating session rather than look at the bigger picture. Just so its clear for the 4th time I am not happy with 3 points but I am willing to give hime more than 5 games unlike some. I dont understand why we appear to be arguing because I am in agreement in what you are saying. The scouting system was stopped last season to save money in the short term. I was at St Mary's on Tuesday and we played quite well although we lacked width having grown up with Paine and Sydenham so I was suprised when we did not beat Stockport . Like you I am getting a bit nervous about Pardew and if we dont string a few results soon problems may arise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I dont understand why we appear to be arguing because I am in agreement in what you are saying. The scouting system was stopped last season to save money in the short term. I was at St Mary's on Tuesday and we played quite well although we lacked width having grown up with Paine and Sydenham so I was suprised when we did not beat Stockport . Like you I am getting a bit nervous about Pardew agree...why do people get so farking wound up when you dont share their opinion..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 But John..........by the above statement, you have defeated your own argument. The people who run the club have come up with a solution........unfortunatly, it is one that you don't agree with. There is an easy answer to your problem.........if I go for a meal in a pub, and it's crap....I just won't go back there. Problem solved John........... I have been supporting SFC for over 50 years and the team has never been in the position it has today. The club have not solved that in anyway as it stands today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 agree...why do people get so farking wound up when you dont share their opinion..? Yeah like starting a new thread when they don't agree with your point of view....oh hold on a minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Yeah like starting a new thread when they don't agree with your point of view....oh hold on a minute! what..? where have I done that..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 what..? where have I done that..? http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16308 Was the reason I stated that but since you have posted you want AP to stay so I must of misread your tone in your ...not good enough posts. My main issue here is that we are not giving him time to turn this round before the negative posts on here. Some always look for the negative and not the positive...some say no improvement but there was as we got a point yesterday whereas we lost the previous 2 away games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16308 Was the reason I stated that but since you have posted you want AP to stay so I must of misread your tone in your ...not good enough posts. My main issue here is that we are not giving him time to turn this round before the negative posts on here. Some always look for the negative and not the positive...some say no improvement but there was as we got a point yesterday whereas we lost the previous 2 away games! You are probably right but I am very positive before each game only to be let down by the result especially as I heard that we were winning at half time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 You are probably right but I am very positive before each game only to be let down by the result especially as I heard that we were winning at half time Aren't we all disappointed....my nipper and I couldn't eat for hours we both felt so sick which is a rarity! We do need pace and width as you mentioned in your post and one of my boyhood heroes was Sydie who I had the great fortune to play against in a charity game years later and was totally tongue tied. If by the end of September we are not above the relegation zone then there will be loads more of anti AP posts - I just hope there aren't. I don't think we will be above that zone till December personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 It is worrying to miss so many chances, but even more worrying to not be able to see the game out against the likes of Stockport County.[ And yes I am a fan of the new regime] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 We are definitely going to get relegated. Pardew out111111111 I didn't mean to come accross quite so negative, we didn't play well at all yesterday but I think and hope we've got enough about us to get lower mid table this season. Hopefully once we get to zero points the players will start performing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Was a shocking decision for the penalty but we can't let that get in the way of how badly we played agaisnt a shocking side. We where crap, didn't try to play footbal and apart from a few headers we didn't create much either. Lots to worry about after yesterday. Lost any hope i've had for this season, we're in a relegation fight and the sooner we realise it the better. This is the most depressing post I have read this weekend. This poster is not usually that wrong in his observations If only you knew him. He is a daft c*nt of the highest order, who was/is probably too ****ed to know what day of the week it was/is. I still love him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 So you are saying Pardew is failing to deliver , but cant offer an alternative. If this is a public forum why are you taking umbridge when all I am questioning is your IMO ridiculous opinion that Pardew is expected to do this in 5 games? Look Ron,take very little heed to this guy as his view was to keep Wotte... really he did....mad.. Says it all about his knowledge tbh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 If only you knew him. He is a daft c*nt of the highest order, who was/is probably too ****ed to know what day of the week it was/is. I still love him though. Can't really argue against that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Handball has to be deliberate you ****ing cheating ref ****. Which row do you think that would have gone in? X, Y or Z? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Smiled when I read the following today as it's just the thing that Saints have to learn, and learn fast. Speaking of Dennis Wise and how he had a hard time with the Leeds supporters for being a Londoner: "In the only tranquil period enjoyed by Dennis Wise at Elland Road, Leeds United perfected the art of striking late and hard. Wise's most successful squad was the collection of players who, at the start of the 2007-08 season, displayed a phobia for defeat and were none too enamoured by the price of draws either. That unique spell – played out against the backdrop of the 15-point penalty imposed on the club by the Football League – was characterised by United's habit of mustering crucial goals with no room to spare." In our case for the past 5 years or more, it's just the opposite. So perhaps Monsieur Pas Dieu could arrange for the Wise one to come along as a Consultant to show our lads just how to perfect the same mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Yeah, ART, but he's a slimey little ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 So what happened to the positive Alpine who posted after the Birmingham game " I can go back to Austria on Thursday knowing we are heading in the right direction"? Don't tell me you are jumping on the bandwagon of doom and gloom merchants? Yes its very disappointing and most are absolutely gutted but we are turning it all round. Its a fair question. From what I saw myself last week against Brentford and Brum, the team was better than what I witnessed last time I went. A lot better. But, I was really concerned about the way we sat back and invited the pressure after going ahead to Brentford, and how the entire team switched off after Brum equallised. The team has made progress of sorts, but the results have NOT improved and I stand by what I wrote: some of Pardew's comments are begging to sound a bit like some of Burley's worst platitude-driven flap-abouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 ............ .............. The team has made progress of sorts, but the results have NOT improved and I stand by what I wrote: some of Pardew's comments are begging to sound a bit like some of Burley's worst platitude-driven flap-abouts. I just can't get away from the profound feeling that Pas Dieu is just another Burley. I look at his mutterings, his style, team selections, dismal substitutions and his past and the resemblance is astounding. Pas Dieu took 3 years to get Reading out of this league, and then walked. Just look at how terrible Readings results were in his first full season in charge there. We don't have time, we're 5 years behind schedule as it is. Burley wanted 5 years and so does Pas Dieu. All they both want is a comfy, secure, well paid job to keep them in work. He should have been put on a rolling one year contract like Lambert has at Norwich. I hated Wotte but I'm convinced he'd be getting better results and that's what worries me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I just can't get away from the profound feeling that Pas Dieu is just another Burley. I look at his mutterings, his style, team selections, dismal substitutions and his past and the resemblance is astounding. Pas Dieu took 3 years to get Reading out of this league, and then walked. Just look at how terrible Readings results were in his first full season in charge there. We don't have time, we're 5 years behind schedule as it is. Burley wanted 5 years and so does Pas Dieu. All they both want is a comfy, secure, well paid job to keep them in work. He should have been put on a rolling one year contract like Lambert has at Norwich. I hated Wotte but I'm convinced he'd be getting better results and that's what worries me. Just what exactly convinces you Twotte would have got better results?? I cannot think of anything Perhaps he would have kept the player with world class skills.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Whilst you are of course entitled to your opinion John, which I respect, I am becoming increasingly irritated by the use of the "Pardew has failed to deliver" mantra which seems to be creeping in to many posters' vocabulary. In what way has he failed to deliver? If you mean he is not winning every game, then by that logic yes, he has failed; but then so has Arsene Wenger, Roy Keane, Chris Coleman and many others, all of whom I am sure you and others would have loved to have on board. Do people realise the extent of the rot in our club? Pardew has spoken about the dismal lack of infrastructure - the lack of scouts being a major one - and this will take time both to cure and to start having an effect. The players who were here last season were either not up to it, didn't want to be here or have had the confidence completely knocked out of them. That is not going to be changed overnight. It would appear that there has been a systematic failure at SFC over the last 2 years to coach players properly, to teach them their jobs properly. How do you undo that damage in a matter of weeks? You can't, simple as. Improvements have been made - everybody who went to the game yesterday is saying so and I am inclined to believe them, frankly - and will continue to be made. But we all have to be patient and expect that the corpse of a football club that was SFC pre-Liebherr is going to take some time to be revived. I will be judging Pardew at the end of this season and then again at the end of next. That, in my opinion, is reasonable. To say otherwise, to my mind, is sensationalist nonsense which demonstrates a clear lack of understanding of our predicament. Good post. Far too rational for some I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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