2018 World Cup at SMS?

[docker-p]

Our new owner/regime are very keen for SMS to be used as a stadium in the 2018 World cup should Englands bid win. They see it as a catalyst to further develop of the stadium and Southampton's profile.

I have it on very good authority that they have been to the City Council to get their backing, something the FA insists upon, and are awaiting the response of Southampton City Council.

As I understand it the Council are in a slighty awkward situation as they have already given their tacit backing to Portsmyth Council.

If you hear no more about it, it's because the currently Tory controlled city council bottled it.

Edited 29 August, 2009 by docker-p
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[Block 5]

  docker-p said:

Our new owner/regime are very keen for SMS to be used as a stadium in the 2018 World cup should Englands bid win. They see it as a catalyst to further develop the stadium and Southampton's profile.

I have it on very good authority that they have been to the City Council to get their backing, something the FA insists upon, and are awaiting the response of Southampton City Council.

As I understand it the Council are in a slighty awkward situation as they have already given their tacit backing to Portsmyth Council.

If you hear no more about it, it's because the currently Tory controlled city council bottled it.

 

All Tories are ****s : FACT.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

  Block 5 said:

All Tories are ****s : FACT.

 

That's what we need, another political discussion.

[docker-p]

  Dibden Purlieu Saint said:

That's what we need, another political discussion.

 

In fairness I don't think Block 5 was discussing the point.

[Yate Saint]

So that would be us, Bristol City and Plymouth all competing for it. I expect only one would get it.

[krissyboy31]

Surely if the club want to bid then the council would be crazy not to back it. Being one of the World Cup cities would raise the profile of the city and bring in millions for the local economy, therefore a no lose situation for SCC.

[Thedelldays]

  krissyboy31 said:

Surely if the club want to bid then the council would be crazy not to back it. Being one of the World Cup cities would raise the profile of the city and bring in millions for the local economy, therefore a no lose situation for SCC.

that there...is the problem

 

here in Plymouth, it is quite big news that they want to host potential WC games..

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

  docker-p said:

In fairness I don't think Block 5 was discussing the point.

 

Ok, irrational, stereotypical statements then.

[docker-p]

  krissyboy31 said:

Surely if the club want to bid then the council would be crazy not to back it. Being one of the World Cup cities would raise the profile of the city and bring in millions for the local economy, therefore a no lose situation for SCC.

I don't know the details of bidding, but i guess it involves parting with money, for something that ultimately might not happen.

[krissyboy31]

  Yate Saint said:

So that would be us, Bristol City and Plymouth all competing for it. I expect only one would get it.

 

Plymouth won't get it, too isolated. As it stands I think Bristol and Portsmouth are a cert (as long as both finally get their sh!t together, stadium wise). If we entered the race we are in a good position to pip the blue few to the second 'southern' host city.

[Paul Chuckle]

We actually hVe to win the right to stage the world cup first!!!!!!

[OldNick]

when the bidding was in progress it was not certain that there would be a football club and so that is why the council could not put us forward at that time.Portsmouth did.

Therefore trying to blame the Tories is a nonsense as any council would be foolish to put forward a plan

[Thedelldays]

  Paul Chuckle said:

We actually hVe to win the right to stage the world cup first!!!!!!

i think we know this..

[krissyboy31]

  nickh said:

when the bidding was in progress it was not certain that there would be a football club and so that is why the council could not put us forward at that time.Portsmouth did.

Therefore trying to blame the Tories is a nonsense as any council would be foolish to put forward a plan

 

I agree and I'm sure if the take over had been last summer, we would certainly had put ourselves forward (regardless of who is in charge of the council).

[docker-p]

  nickh said:

when the bidding was in progress it was not certain that there would be a football club and so that is why the council could not put us forward at that time.Portsmouth did.

Therefore trying to blame the Tories is a nonsense as any council would be foolish to put forward a plan

I agree at the time they couldn't. But now they have a second chance to back it. And no excuse.

[RedAndWhite91]

All stands bar the Itchen can be expanded, up to a total capacity of about 50,000, but, it would cost about the same amount as it did for the stadium to be built in the first place.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

  RedAndWhite91 said:

All stands bar the Itchen can be expanded, up to a total capacity of about 50,000, but, it would cost about the same amount as it did for the stadium to be built in the first place.

 

How cool would that be?!

[RedAndWhite91]

  Dibden Purlieu Saint said:

How cool would that be?!

 

It would be bloody cool, but:

 

1) Would Mr. Liebherr dish out £30,000,000?

2) Would it be worth it considering it would not be filled for league games (at this level) meaning the atmosphere would be crap?

[krissyboy31]

  RedAndWhite91 said:

It would be bloody cool, but:

 

1) Would Mr. Liebherr dish out £30,000,000?

2) Would it be worth it considering it would not be filled for league games (at this level) meaning the atmosphere would be crap?

 

Blimey, if we're still at this level by the time the 2018 World Cup comes along, we might as well all give up!!

[Thedelldays]

  RedAndWhite91 said:

It would be bloody cool, but:

 

1) Would Mr. Liebherr dish out £30,000,000?

2) Would it be worth it considering it would not be filled for league games (at this level) meaning the atmosphere would be crap?

 

 

I would like to hope (call it ambition...shoot me) that we would be in the premier league by 2018....

 

maybe im unrealistic but hey ho

[Prince Jazzbo]

I think you might find we've missed the boat on this one.

[krissyboy31]

  Prince Jazzbo said:

I think you might find we've missed the boat on this one.

 

There is no particular deadline. The FA just needed to know that there were enough clubs and local authorities interested in staging the event, to make a bid viable.

 

Also, there will be several 'interested parties' pull out (Aston Villa already has) and others will fall by the wayside as building a 40,000 seater stadium will never happen!

Edited 29 August, 2009 by krissyboy31

[rallyboy]

I thought Al Fahim had already secured the final under the roof of the new, FIFA-funded, 180,000 seater harbourfront stadium, hotel and leisure complex?

 

Tickets still available in the Nugent Stand, or go crazy and have hospitality in the Redknapp Suite - seems a good idea at the time but overpriced and leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

[waggy]

  krissyboy31 said:

Plymouth won't get it, too isolated. As it stands I think Bristol and Portsmouth are a cert (as long as both finally get their sh!t together, stadium wise). If we entered the race we are in a good position to pip the blue few to the second 'southern' host city.

 

... what even with the backing of the Green Army

 

[hackedoff]

The stadium capacity would have to be raised to a level which would be too large for us even if we were back in the prem.

[Block 5]

  docker-p said:

In fairness I don't think Block 5 was discussing the point.

 

Here's a typical Tory to illustrate mypoint.

Like I said....... FACT.

[Crab Lungs]

Portsmouth and Southampton waaaaaaaay too close to London.

 

It'll be Bristol I'd imagine.

 

 

How many venues will be nominated anyway...? And what cities and stadiums do YOU think will be involved???

Edited 29 August, 2009 by Crab Lungs

[docker-p]

  Block 5 said:

Here's a typical Tory to illustrate mypoint.

Like I said....... FACT.

 

I couldn't agree more. The one I had round here last week didn't look that good; and left a trail of slime on my doorstep.

[Thedelldays]

I think it is sad...utterly sad how people get wound up and blame someone from 19 years ago..

 

LOL

[Matthew Le God]

  RedAndWhite91 said:

It would be bloody cool, but:

 

1) Would Mr. Liebherr dish out £30,000,000?

 

He wouldn't have to pay for it all. As it is for the World Cup we'd get some funding towards the cost. Obviously not all the money but a fair bit of it.

 

Docker P, where did you find this out? You have given no source or link.

 

I'd love for this to be true.

[krissyboy31]

2 in N/west - Old Trafford and Stanley Park

2 in N/east - St James' and Stadium of Light

2 in East Midlands (from Nottm, Derby, Leicester)

2 in West Midlands Birmingham's new stadium, Coventry

3 in London Wembley (opening and final + England group games), Emirates, plus A.N. Other.

Millennium

2 in South - Bristol new stadium, plus A.N. Other (P*rtsm*uth in prime position ATM).

[Matthew Le God]

  krissyboy31 said:

3 in London Wembley (opening and final + England group games), Emirates, plus A.N. Other.

 

Millennium

 

Can't have 3 stadiums in one city.

 

This is an English bid not Wales.

[krissyboy31]

  Matthew Le God said:

Can't have 3 stadiums in one city.

 

This is an English bid not Wales.

 

I'm pretty sure that the FA have already stated that there will be 2 club stadiums in addition to Wembley used in London (maybe because it is a conurbation of several towns and not one city). They have definitely stated that the Millennium is part of the bid (I think one of the Semi-Finals in addition to group games is due to be played there).

 

BTW Twickenham has also been mentioned as a venue.

Edited 29 August, 2009 by krissyboy31

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

  docker-p said:

I couldn't agree more. The one I had round here last week didn't look that good; and left a trail of slime on my doorstep.

 

 

Edited 29 August, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Danny]

  Prince Jazzbo said:

I think you might find we've missed the boat on this one.

 

Indeed. Wasn't the deadline for confirming interest about two months ago?

[Block 5]

  Dibden Purlieu Saint said:

 

 

Of course the Tories wouldn't think of forging close ties with big business would they?

Your point is?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

  Block 5 said:

Of course the Tories wouldn't think of forging close ties with big business would they?

Your point is?

 

That we all can put up propaganda images. Doesn't mean they're correct.

[docker-p]

  Matthew Le God said:

Docker P, where did you find this out? You have given no source or link.

 

I'd love for this to be true.

I can't reveal my source, sorry. However, i can guarantee this is being discussed between the Club and council, and the council, in the form of the Chief Executive are mulling it over. What the procedure is with regard to putting it to the councillors I don't know.

[Matthew Le God]

If the club is willing to expand the ground for a World Cup bid, maybe it would consider it even without a World Cup bid as we'd have to live with the increased capacity either way after 2018.

[Saint_clark]

  Matthew Le God said:

If the club is willing to expand the ground for a World Cup bid, maybe it would consider it even without a World Cup bid as we'd have to live with the increased capacity either way after 2018.

 

But without the World Cup bid we would have to pay construction costs ourselves.

[Crab Lungs]

  docker-p said:

I can't reveal my source, sorry. However, i can guarantee this is being discussed between the Club and council, and the council, in the form of the Chief Executive are mulling it over. What the procedure is with regard to putting it to the councillors I don't know.

 

Oh ****ing hell.... The SCC.... they're more than likely say 'nah, give it to Portsmouth!' and we'll host some obscure garden show instead. Not before they've spunked a few hundred thousand on some architects drawings and sent it off to The Echo as their latest 'vision of the future'

[Matthew Le God]

  Saint_clark said:

But without the World Cup bid we would have to pay construction costs ourselves.

 

Well our friendly billionaire owner that doesn't like debt would

[Saint_clark]

  Matthew Le God said:

Well our friendly billionaire owner that doesn't like debt would

 

I thought the money you get when participating in a World Cup bid was a grant, not a loan?

[Matthew Le God]

  Saint_clark said:

I thought the money you get when participating in a World Cup bid was a grant, not a loan?

 

It is. My point was Mr Liebherr if funding it himself(if England or Saints don't win the bid but want to expand capacity anyway) wouldn't take out a loan as he doesn't like debt.

 

If you are willing to expand in order to hold 2 one off games in 9 years time. Then surely you would still consider expanding it yourself even if it did cost you more money. The ground would still be 40k or more after the tournament.

Edited 29 August, 2009 by Matthew Le God

[Thedelldays]

  Matthew Le God said:

It is. My point was Mr Liebherr if funding it himself(if England or Saints don't win the bid but want to expand capacity anyway) wouldn't take out a loan as he doesn't like debt.

how the hell have you come to this..?

 

do you even remotely know the workings of his business...?

[Saint_clark]

  Matthew Le God said:

It is. My point was Mr Liebherr if funding it himself(if England or Saints don't win the bid but want to expand capacity anyway) wouldn't take out a loan as he doesn't like debt.

 

I see.

I still stand by my point though; let's say the grant is £10million, and the expansion costs £20million, then ML might only want to expand the stadium when only having to pay half the money.

 

Does anyone have details of how SMS can be expanded? Isn't it just a case of the pitch being dug in and another tier being dropped on top?

[Matthew Le God]

  Thedelldays said:

how the hell have you come to this..?

 

do you even remotely know the workings of his business...?

 

Numerous interviews in the press over the last 60 years about how the Liebherr family does its business.

Edited 29 August, 2009 by Matthew Le God

[Saint_clark]

  Thedelldays said:

how the hell have you come to this..?

 

do you even remotely know the workings of his business...?

 

To be fair he is correct.

The Liebherrs made their first billion without taking on a single penny of debt.

[krissyboy31]

  Crab Lungs said:

Oh ****ing hell.... The SCC.... they're more than likely say 'nah, give it to Portsmouth!' and we'll host some obscure garden show instead. Not before they've spunked a few hundred thousand on some architects drawings and sent it off to The Echo as their latest 'vision of the future'

 

Usually I'd agree with you but they have so many projects currently in mothballs, awaiting for an economic upturn, including proposed hotels and leisure facilities. They should see this as being a way of guaranteeing some inward investment to get some of these off the drawing board and into construction.

[Matthew Le God]

  Saint_clark said:

 

Does anyone have details of how SMS can be expanded? Isn't it just a case of the pitch being dug in and another tier being dropped on top?

 

It was designed so you can add a tier on each of the Kingsland, Northam and Chapel stands taking capactiy to between 52k and 54k.