Minsk Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Smith scored 17 league goals and 9 'assists' last season which I think you will find is rather more than Rasiak . It's not what they've done in the distant past that counts - it's what they can do now . You are so right. In fact let's look at the full facts/stats: Last Season, playing for the same Watford team - Tommy Smith scored 17 goals from 49 appearances = 0.34 ave Greg Rasiak scored 10 goals in 24 appearances = 0.41 ave Oh.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 You are so right. In fact let's look at the full facts/stats: Last Season, playing for the same Watford team - Tommy Smith scored 17 goals from 49 appearances = 0.34 ave Greg Rasiak scored 10 goals in 24 appearances = 0.41 ave Oh.......... So you accept that Smith scored more goals then - thanks very much . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I think this is in your deluded opinion give the bloke a chance "GIVE THE BLOKE A CHANCE " .... are you his Agent ???, or just having a laugh .....Do you actually GO to St Mary's ???????? He gets a chance EVERY TIME he ambles on to the pitch ...... and for quite a while now .... he's done F All .... and has made it VERY clear he does not want to play for us !!!!!!! OK, I have no problem with that ... BUT, he is a PROFESSIONAL Footballer, ie he is supposed to play Football for a living ...... but by not giving a Stuff whenever he does come on the pitch for Saints, he is being UN Professional, he is letting the other 10 players down, and, IMHO he should NOT be paid for Services he is NOT providing You too, must be someone who has a Boss who wouldn't mind if you sat at your desk all day, working at 30% ........:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 You are so right. In fact let's look at the full facts/stats: Last Season, playing for the same Watford team - Tommy Smith scored 17 goals from 49 appearances = 0.34 ave Greg Rasiak scored 10 goals in 24 appearances = 0.41 ave Oh.......... What were their average number of assists per game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 So you accept that Smith scored more goals then - thanks very much . And I presume you accept that Greg had a far superior goals per game ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 "GIVE THE BLOKE A CHANCE " .... are you his Agent ???, or just having a laugh .....Do you actually GO to St Mary's ???????? He gets a chance EVERY TIME he ambles on to the pitch ...... and for quite a while now .... he's done F All .... and has made it VERY clear he does not want to play for us !!!!!!! OK, I have no problem with that ... BUT, he is a PROFESSIONAL Footballer, ie he is supposed to play Football for a living ...... but by not giving a Stuff whenever he does come on the pitch for Saints, he is being UN Professional, he is letting the other 10 players down, and, IMHO he should NOT be paid for Services he is NOT providing You too, must be someone who has a Boss who wouldn't mind if you sat at your desk all day, working at 30% ........:cool: I dont think you have much idea about football do you? His record for scoring goals is quite good and will do quite well in the CCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 What were their average number of assists per game? Soccerbase doesn't have that info, sorry. I will admit, however, that given the choice of Rasiak or Smith to pertner Lambert I would go for the latter. But, Rasiak does have a better 'average' scoring record than Smith both over the course of their careers AND last season. So my point that he isn't actually a bad replacement for Smith at Watford (and the fact that they will have in excess of 1.5 million in the bank should both deals go ahead as rumoured) still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I dont think you have much idea about football do you? His record for scoring goals is quite good and will do quite well in the CCC Aparently, as much as you have for getting value for money ......... the fact that he would do quite well in the CCC has nothing to do with the fact that he is under contract to Saints, and being PAID by Saints ...... and as long as he remain(ed)s at Saints, he should give 100% to Saints, his EMPLOYERS As a Boss, would you pay anyone Mega Money, and then be content to sit back and watch that person give less than 100% ???? If so, can I come and work for you please ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 You are so right. In fact let's look at the full facts/stats: Last Season, playing for the same Watford team - Tommy Smith scored 17 goals from 49 appearances = 0.34 ave Greg Rasiak scored 10 goals in 24 appearances = 0.41 ave Oh.......... LOL, it doesn't matter to the boo boys - Rasiak has been tried and convicted in their eyes. I wonder if they were slagging off MLT because he didn't run around like a headless chicken too? It makes me shake my head in disbelief when I read supporters are cheering the exit of our best goalscorer with a backlog of stats to back it up. What's wrong with you - don't you like seeing us score goals? As for the line about him not trying well it would have been helpful if he'd have been consistently picked for a full 90 mins rather than the bits and pieces he's been offered. Subbed on at 90 mins was a joke! I for one will be dissapointed to see him go, where are we going to get the equivalent goal power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Would make sense for him to go to Reading or Watford, given both have "lost" Tommy Smith... Let's hope we get a decent fee for him, and buy someone more appropriate for the division pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 LOL, it doesn't matter to the boo boys - Rasiak has been tried and convicted in their eyes. I wonder if they were slagging off MLT because he didn't run around like a headless chicken too? It makes me shake my head in disbelief when I read supporters are cheering the exit of our best goalscorer with a backlog of stats to back it up. What's wrong with you - don't you like seeing us score goals? As for the line about him not trying well it would have been helpful if he'd have been consistently picked for a full 90 mins rather than the bits and pieces he's been offered. Subbed on at 90 mins was a joke! I for one will be dissapointed to see him go, where are we going to get the equivalent goal power? "Best Goalscorer" .... past tense ... currently, NOT interested in Saints "Like seeing us score goals " ... yes I do, ... refer to answer above "subbed at 90 mins " ....OK, if you were Manager, when exactly would you put a player who has stated publicly, that he does not want to play for us. Exactly what sort of message does that send out to all the other players that are busting a gut for the cause ??? I am "cheering his exit" as you put it because he is a "Drain on the Rations"..... WHY should I show any sort of support to a Player whose SOLE ambition for Months is to LEAVE ????? I would have adopted the Lawrie Mac approach ..... " OK, if you won't give 100% whilst we are PAYING you 100% .... then you won't get a game ...... and kindly pass that on to your Polish Team Manager " ......... THAT would have worked By not giving 100% to Saints, he has in my book, lost all respect in my eyes ......... I would rather see ( another ) Young player running around giving 100% effort and committment to our cause:cool: It may be before your time, but the likes of Shankley would have chucked him in the Mersey long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Would make sense for him to go to Reading or Watford, given both have "lost" Tommy Smith... Let's hope we get a decent fee for him, and buy someone more appropriate for the division pronto. I am told what a great goalscoring machine he will be in the CCC ........... well worth us accepting £300K .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 a player who has stated publicly, that he does not want to play for us. Where did he say this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 He won't leave if the money's not right, even tho his desired aim is to play in a higher division so he might get picked for Poland. If he genuinely wants to improve his chances of playing for Poland then he will need to take a pay cut but I don't think he wants to play for Poland all that much as he doesn't appear to want to take a pay cut. Sounds as if he wants his cake and eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Has he gone yet then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Sounds as if he wants his cake and eat it. As the late, great, Dave Allen used to say "It's my f&^$£g cake, why can't I eat it?!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 He won't leave if the money's not right, even tho his desired aim is to play in a higher division so he might get picked for Poland. If he genuinely wants to improve his chances of playing for Poland then he will need to take a pay cut but I don't think he wants to play for Poland all that much as he doesn't appear to want to take a pay cut. Sounds as if he wants his cake and eat it. I hope he doesn't expect some sort of deal where we pay some of his wages to play elsewhere. I'd rather keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra-ra Rasiak, is a cack, Rasiak is cack!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Where did he say this? He said it quite a while back, according to some Polish friends I know....... (I have no reason to doubt their integrity ) ..... and (apparently) AP has been aware of this for ages, though he has told him he wants him to stay, if he will commit 100% to Saints ..... He doesn't because he wants CCC level or above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I hope he doesn't expect some sort of deal where we pay some of his wages to play elsewhere. I'd rather keep him. More worried he's going to sit it out for a Bosman - would speak volumes about the man if that was the case. Playing for Poland to me is sounding like a smoke screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 More worried he's going to sit it out for a Bosman - would speak volumes about the man if that was the case. Playing for Poland to me is sounding like a smoke screen. Whether we like it or not (and I don't particularly) we have to accept it is their job and as a result they are entitled to seek the very best deal in whatever way they can. Just the same as the rest of us in our respective careers I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Whether we like it or not (and I don't particularly) we have to accept it is their job and as a result they are entitled to seek the very best deal in whatever way they can. Just the same as the rest of us in our respective careers I'm afraid. Yes I totally agree but I still think footballers wages are too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdaz Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 have heard reading have made a 300k bid see: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/football-rumours-gossip/2009/08/27/reading-fc-planning-swoop-for-gregor-rasiak-92746-24544159/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Yes I totally agree but I still think footballers wages are too high Not disputing that at all John, the footballing world went crazy a good few years back but that's another argument altogether. Sky / Graham Kelly are mostly to blame and as we are witnessing right now the whole game is close to imploding as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 [quote=SaintRichmond;432016" I would have adopted the Lawrie Mac approach ..... " OK, if you won't give 100% whilst we are PAYING you 100% .... then you won't get a game ...... and kindly pass that on to your Polish Team Manager " ......... THAT would have worked Where we are now I agree it's best for all that he goes, but to be fair to the bloke he WAS giving his all to Saints, and scoring goals, until Lowe in effect said "Ok if you won't take a pay cut then you won't get a game and kindly pass that on to your Polish team manager." We stopped playing him, brought in Stern John - much the same sort of player and also on big wages - and loaned him to anyone who'd pay him. It's not a good way to instill loyalty. For me he's not shown any lack of effort this season. Had a good game early on, then was dropped again. What scope is there to show commitment as a 90th minute sub? As I say it's best for us and for him that he goes given the situation and the history, but do we really have to slag off any player that goes? K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Whether you're right or wrong Nick it doesn't matter a **** to us, once he's gone he's gone, we move on, job done. Where he goes, nobody knows What colour he wears, nobody cares Will he be a Hit? Who gives a s***! Do we give a t*** about Rasiak after Southampton? Do we b*******! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 We'll miss those occasional visits to the SMS by Rasiak that we've had for the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Sorry but the bloke is a ****. He could remain at SMS, a bigger Club than Watford (shed like ground with no atmosphere), or Reading (ground full of mainly pretend Chelsea wannabees), score loads in L1, get promoted, play in the CCC, then the PL and also keep his high wages. WTF is wrong with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 We shall be the weaker for his leaving. Also in the Mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1209322/Wolves-chase-Readings-James-Harper-Royals-seek-Grzegorz-Rasiak.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 We shall be the weaker for his leaving. Also in the Mail today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1209322/Wolves-chase-Readings-James-Harper-Royals-seek-Grzegorz-Rasiak.html Only weaker if he cared about staying and was up for the fight - if he doesn't want to be here and won't put in the performances then he will not be missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I don't know why everyone is kicking off so much. If I was Rasiak, I'd want to leave to. He was treated badly by Burley and now wants to leave a League 1 side. What's the big deal? Footballers aren't always going to have loyalty. In fact, if we had gone down while Matty was here, he'd have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I think you will find I had already put this up on other posts a few days ago!, there again I must be on so many ignores no wonder it is fresh news to some Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Swansea´s site in Sweden just reported that Lee Trundle is coming back to them on loan since they cant get the striker they want to join them. Could it be Rasiak that turned them down then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I'm not on about him getting the "best deal" .... I'm on about him being UN professional with US ........He TAKES his Money, 100% of it ....... but he does NOT give 100% to his EMPLOYERS, ie Saints ....... Apparently, you think that, as he's in Div 1 .. "through no fault of his own" .... he can just stroll around until he gets fixed up with a Club of his liking ??? ....... Fair enough ...... IF he wasn't still taking 100% Wages for 30% Effort I assume that if you sat at your Work desk, only doing half your workload, your Boss would still be only too pleased to pay you Full Whack ????:cool: f Hmmm, interesting that you think he puts no effort in ..... He scored 17 goals for us before Jan during the play off season and then lost his place to Saga ...... probably unfairly given his goals ratio that season. His record is 29 goals from 78 games - a goal in every 2.7 games and mostly in the CCC and with a significant number of appearances in that lot from the bench ..... not a bad record at all given the bare number = 17 goals per season in CCC. He was shafted by GB in the play-off season and at the start of the next season and was then shipped out on loan a couple of times due to our financial problems ..... not his fault at all ..... Now he wants to get the best deal with a year on his contract and is still not being played due to that fact ..... again not really his fault and I'm sure the club want rid as much as he wants to play a higher standard ...... Rasiak on balance has not been a disappointment in my opinion and is certainly not unprofessional ..... he trains, he plays when asked, and importantly the club has not come out and said there is an attitude problem or such like. No evidence at all of unprofessionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 This is by deluded opinion too. And every other Saints fan I talk to in the real world outside message boards. Rasiak would be a 20+ goals a season player for us if he was committed, but he's not interested so get rid. He is symptomatic of the problems at our club over thge last 5 or so years, too many passengers happy to take the huge pay and do feck all in return. Look at his record ..... 29 goals in 78 games in CCC .... he is a 20 goals a season striker without a doubt when the manager decides to play him FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Whether we like it or not (and I don't particularly) we have to accept it is their job and as a result they are entitled to seek the very best deal in whatever way they can. Just the same as the rest of us in our respective careers I'm afraid. Oh I do accept it but, if he was that interested in playing for his country then he would take a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Whether anyone is pro Rasiak or anti Rasiak.........its time to get rid of him and use the cash and his wages to bring in one or twp players who actually WANT to play for Saints instead of just taking the cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Sorry but the bloke is a ****. He could remain at SMS, a bigger Club than Watford (shed like ground with no atmosphere), or Reading (ground full of mainly pretend Chelsea wannabees), score loads in L1, get promoted, play in the CCC, then the PL and also keep his high wages. WTF is wrong with him? Because he still harbours an ambition to play for the Poles in the world cup and even though Saints are a bigger team than Reading or Watford, he feels that he has no chance (and you can't argue with that) if he his playing third tier football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 And I presume you accept that Greg had a far superior goals per game ratio? Unfavorably comparing the goals to games ratio of a striker (Rasiak) against a wide midfielder/sometimes striker (Smith) might be seen as not being entirely fair . If Rasiak is as good as some on here claim why wasn't he voted the second best player in the whole of the CCC last season and not Smith ? Statistics are fun but there have their limitations , for instance a terrible striker could only play in one game a season - accidentally deflect a shot off his backside into the net and he'd have a outstanding 1 in 1 record . Should he playing in the Premier League on that reasoning ? I say the market value that clubs place on players are a far more reliable guide of a players current worth than any oh so 'open to interpretation' stat . The record shows that Tommy Smith is (reportedly) worth £1.6m to Reading FC while Rasiak's market worth is in the region of £300k or so - which just about says it all . Perhaps the problem is the very capitalist concept of market value hasn't quite made its way over to Belarus yet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 from Watford How much are we giving them to take him off our hands then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 (edited) As Tommy Smith is due at Farton Park for a medical (SSN) Rasiak looks like a straight replacement so probably no exchange. good. Lets not take any old cast offs. Why we took Stern John I will never know and choosing Forecast over cash seemed a crazy decision. I have to say I wasn't over enamoured by the Le Saux signing either (a massive backwards step from a pacey bridge to a slow, aging, injury prone replacement), but I appreciate others won't agree with that. These part exchange deals just stink of laziness to me. I know signing players is a difficult task but more often than not its settling for second best. Edited 27 August, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 good. Lets not take any old cast offs. Why we took Stern John I will never know and choosing Forecast over cash seemed a crazy decision. I have to say I wasn't over enamoutred by the Le Saux signing either (a massive backwards step from a pacey bridge to a slow, aging, injury prone replacement), but I appreciate others won't agree with that. These part exchange deals just stink of laziness to me. I know signing players is a difficult task but more often than not its settling for second best. It's part-exchange. Imagine you want to buy a shiny new Kenwynne Jones and you want to trade in your old banger called Stern John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 I say the market value that clubs place on players are a far more reliable guide of a players current worth than any oh so 'open to interpretation' stat . The record shows that Tommy Smith is (reportedly) worth £1.6m to Reading FC while Rasiak's market worth is in the region of £300k or so - which just about says it all . Perhaps the problem is the very capitalist concept of market value hasn't quite made its way over to Belarus yet . Sorry that's ********. The valuation reflects many things not related to performance (how much a club want to keep a player which itself is relative to his stats vs other players in the squad in that position, how long his contract has to run and how affordable to the club he is). Rasiak is a goal threat. He may have a silly haircut, he may not be 'all action', but he scores goals. That is a fact and that is all you want a striker to do. Had Saints been able to afford him last year I think we wouldn't have gone down. But.... for a League 1 team he is on silly money (someone said him and Saga are 14% of our wage bill - if so, then that money could be better spent). However, he's just doing a job. Like any job, he's looking for a mix of money and prospects -same as any other person picking up a wage. If you think he should live in a different world to anyone else, then you need your head checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 It's part-exchange. Imagine you want to buy a shiny new Kenwynne Jones and you want to trade in your old banger called Stern John. your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Probably Stoke, They're like Saints 'Wrinkly Reserves' and they need a replacement for Beattie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Stern John, Anthony Pulis JR, Le Saux all part exchange deals where we'd have been far better off with the money should have taken the extra money for Bridge instead of Le Saux and gone and bought Konchesky and Malbranque for a start (and not McCann). Stern John - should have just taken the money, we didn't need him we had Rasiak and we couldn't afford his wages anyway (much the same for Jason Euell as well) As for Pulis we should just have kept Andrew Davies - and maybe we would have stayed up! I never understood when we were having money troubles why we went and brought in to overpaid premiership has-beens in Stern and Euell! I'd also add Le Saux to the pointless signings of McCann, Ripley, Beresford, etc, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 your point is? If you want to sell someone like Kenwynne then you sometimes have to take something in return. It may be that the manager says something like "If you buy him that's going to leave me short of a striker/fullback/centre half" so the buying manager offers someone he wants to offload. Or it may just be that in order for us to get £6m we had to take SJ in return. Didn't something similar happen with Le Saux? (and David Speedy?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Let the lazy ****er rot in our reserves. We can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Fandango Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Look at his record ..... 29 goals in 78 games in CCC .... he is a 20 goals a season striker without a doubt when the manager decides to play him FFS. Maybe the managers haven't played him because his attitude stinks, why else would they have left out a 20 goal a season striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 Wouldn't be surprised if Keano at Ipswich is sniffing with Stead potentially moving on ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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