Gillet

[Kadeem Hardison]

Also I remember a couple of years back, I said that Kenwyne Jones would be quality for us and got absolutely shut down by nearly everyone on the forum. Look now, I was right.

 

No you weren't. He's not "quality for us" at all. I think he plays for someone else in red and white stripes so that may be where you're mistaken.

[J Bizzle]

No you weren't. He's not "quality for us" at all. I think he plays for someone else in red and white stripes so that may be where you're mistaken.

 

He was quality for us, now he's quality for them.

[Ponty]

Hardly.

[Thedelldays]

Hardly.

but he was one of burleys 3 best players™

[Ponty]

Didn't he score in single figures in his first season at Sunderland. Hardly setting the world alight, is he?

[team-saint]

Didn't he score in single figures in his first season at Sunderland. Hardly setting the world alight, is he?

 

He won player of the season so he can't have done too badly.

[Ponty]

It's all relative...

[wightman35]

Hmm another pointless thread. Without doubt our best outfield player last year and has hardly had a look in this year and suddenly he is "utter ****e"

 

And 'Gillet' (sic) should be spelt with two t's not one .

 

Speaking as one of your "council estate scum" and entirely without the benefit of your much vaunted university education I can only console myself with the knowledge that at least I possess the common courtesy to spell a players name correctly before lambasting him .

 

You sir are living proof that the entry requirements for university these days are not quite all they could be .

 

Two perceptive posts!

[derry]

Salisbury?

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

It's all relative...

 

I believe he also finished top goal scorer in a newly promoted team in his first season in the top flight at a young age... so 'relatively speaking' I think he was quality for them and his two goals the other day suggest he's coming back into form.

 

To quote TDD I don't understand why people get all bitter about players when they leave.

[Thedelldays]

back on gillet

 

he is 24 and right now i am seeing a bunch of teenagers rip into a full strength man city team on sky

 

i think the likes of gillet, james and lallana are well of the pace

[Elmore]

back on gillet

 

he is 24 and right now i am seeing a bunch of teenagers rip into a full strength man city team on sky

 

i think the likes of gillet, james and lallana are well of the pace

 

He's 23.

[Thedelldays]

He's 23.

meh

[J Bizzle]

He's 23.

 

Will be 24 in 2 months.

[Jackie@home]

He actually had a very successful loan spell at Blackpool 2006-7 season, the year they got promoted, playing 20 games, so he has already shown he can play well at this level. Better than Wotton anyday, and a hugely better attitude than Sneiderlin. I'd like to see him given a game alongside Hammond.

[Elmore]

Will be 24 in 2 months.

 

So he is 23.

[shurlock]

Also I remember a couple of years back, I said that Kenwyne Jones would be quality for us and got absolutely shut down by nearly everyone on the forum. Look now, I was right. Others who knew football could see the potential in him, Gillet does not and nver had that. Similar to Mcgoldrick who will go on to become a Premier league striker, just needs to work a bit on his composure. Which will take a season or two in a good side.

 

I stuck my neck out and defended Kenwyne Jones a number of times with mates. You weren't alone there; doesn't mean you're correct about Gillett. By the way, I think DMG did a decent job for us last season but am more than confident that he won't go on and establish himself as a Premiership player. Just as way off/misplaced as your Gillett comments...

Edited 27 August, 2009 by shurlock

[sotonist]

He actually had a very successful loan spell at Blackpool 2006-7 season, the year they got promoted, playing 20 games, so he has already shown he can play well at this level. Better than Wotton anyday, and a hugely better attitude than Sneiderlin. I'd like to see him given a game alongside Hammond.

 

He did fall out of their side by the time they reached the playoffs though.

[Chez]

Also I remember a couple of years back, I said that Kenwyne Jones would be quality for us and got absolutely shut down by nearly everyone on the forum. Look now, I was right. Others who knew football could see the potential in him, Gillet does not and nver had that. Similar to Mcgoldrick who will go on to become a Premier league striker, just needs to work a bit on his composure. Which will take a season or two in a good side.

 

a couple of years back? Wow. Try five years ago and then you'd have shown some real foresight. Plenty of others saw something in him long before he was being booed by the idiots I might add (though not many at St Andrews when he played in midfiled).

 

By the way just because you rated one player against the flow and he came good it doesn't mean every player opinion you have is accurate though I admit the jury is still out on Gillett.

[Wes Tender]

in midfiled).

 

By the way just because you rated one player against the flow and he came good it doesn't mean every player opinion you have is accurate though I admit the jury is still out on Gillett.

 

But if a majority verdict is allowed, he will be found to be innocent. The wrong man has been stitched up Guv'nor, it was Wotton what done it.

[J Bizzle]

a couple of years back? Wow. Try five years ago and then you'd have shown some real foresight. Plenty of others saw something in him long before he was being booed by the idiots I might add (though not many at St Andrews when he played in midfiled).

 

By the way just because you rated one player against the flow and he came good it doesn't mean every player opinion you have is accurate though I admit the jury is still out on Gillett.

 

I knew he was going to be quality when he came on and played left mid, can't remember who it was agianst though. skinned their right back 3 or 4 times in 10 mins.

[TopGun]

Also I remember a couple of years back, I said that Kenwyne Jones would be quality for us and got absolutely shut down by nearly everyone on the forum. Look now, I was right. Others who knew football could see the potential in him, Gillet does not and nver had that. Similar to Mcgoldrick who will go on to become a Premier league striker, just needs to work a bit on his composure. Which will take a season or two in a good side.

 

McGoldrick will never be a better than CCC forward unless he improves his attitude. Same as Leon Best and countless others who pretend to aspire and ultimately deceive and rob themselves of better opportunities. Nathan Dyer is probably in the same camp also. BWP was never there but had his dad's name to fall back on for a while.

 

I don't think Rickie Lambert is the best player Saints have had up front of course, but his career shows mental determination that has paid off whilst others of his age have fallen away. Maybe before your time Bizzle, but Lambert reminds me of Micky Evans a lot.

[dronskisaint]

Players develop at different speeds & levels - I see enough in Gillet to make me really happy that he's still at the club. To do the cliches - he has a great engine, he never gives up & though small he tackles above his weight. those who single out his p[assing must look with rose coloured specs at his team mates...the difference last year certainly was that if he gave it away he immediately tried to win it back.

 

I enjoyed our football most last year most when he, Surman & Cork were playing in their favoured positions - how I wish that combination could have been allowed to mature.

 

I hope he gets another run in the team...given a confidence boosting run in the team I can see him blossoming in to a real leader - I hope he'll complement Hammond in a midfield with tenacity, energy & skill.

 

I've played (decades ago)with & against various players who became professionals but I don't think that gives me any greater insight on their capacity to be anything other than they were on that field on that day so I think that the argument Bizzle is using is pretty flawed...we're all experts in our own minds & at pre-twenty years old there's a lot of insight still to be learnt that comes from years of watching & comparing...so please don't try to buy credibility with that rationale...thank you:-)

[eelpie]

Why do we have to argue ...?

I don't see arguments here, just opinions forcefully put, and defended. That's what the forum's for.

[Scudamore]

I don't see arguments here, just opinions forcefully put, and defended. That's what the forum's for.

 

And how do you define an argument?

[Northam Girls]

And how do you define an argument?

 

Oxford English Dictionary

 

argument • noun

 

1 a heated exchange of diverging or opposite views.

2 a set of reasons given in support of something.

 

;-)

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Players develop at different speeds & levels - I see enough in Gillet to make me really happy that he's still at the club. To do the cliches - he has a great engine, he never gives up & though small he tackles above his weight. those who single out his p[assing must look with rose coloured specs at his team mates...the difference last year certainly was that if he gave it away he immediately tried to win it back.

 

I enjoyed our football most last year most when he, Surman & Cork were playing in their favoured positions - how I wish that combination could have been allowed to mature.

 

I hope he gets another run in the team...given a confidence boosting run in the team I can see him blossoming in to a real leader - I hope he'll complement Hammond in a midfield with tenacity, energy & skill.

 

I've played (decades ago)with & against various players who became professionals but I don't think that gives me any greater insight on their capacity to be anything other than they were on that field on that day so I think that the argument Bizzle is using is pretty flawed...we're all experts in our own minds & at pre-twenty years old there's a lot of insight still to be learnt that comes from years of watching & comparing...so please don't try to buy credibility with that rationale...thank you:-)

 

but did you get 94% in a History exam to prove your football knowledge? I have played football at sunday pub league level and have 'O' level History so must know more than others ;-)

[J Bizzle]

I've played (decades ago)with & against various players who became professionals but I don't think that gives me any greater insight on their capacity to be anything other than they were on that field on that day so I think that the argument Bizzle is using is pretty flawed...we're all experts in our own minds & at pre-twenty years old there's a lot of insight still to be learnt that comes from years of watching & comparing...so please don't try to buy credibility with that rationale...thank you:-)

 

'Who became' I played against him when he was a pro and he is simply not good enough for us. Hence why I said I don't want him in the team.

[Wes Tender]

'Who became' I played against him when he was a pro and he is simply not good enough for us. Hence why I said I don't want him in the team.

 

Do you choose the team then? Or does Pardew not do anything until he has consulted with you? You played football at a minor level, the ink has hardly dried on your birth certificate and you seem to believe that your opinion carries more weight than that of most people on this forum for some reason.

 

As the barometer of which players are good enough to play for us seems to be whether you played against them, perhaps you will kindly provide us with a list of those who you thought could be useful. Pardew can then get on the blower and sign them up. Hurry now, mind, as we only have until close of play Tuesday.

[Thedelldays]

you all mock Bizzle..

 

yet pardew agrees and he is more than qualified to judge...

is pardew talking out of his arse too about gillet..?

[J Bizzle]

Do you choose the team then? Or does Pardew not do anything until he has consulted with you? You played football at a minor level, the ink has hardly dried on your birth certificate and you seem to believe that your opinion carries more weight than that of most people on this forum for some reason.

 

As the barometer of which players are good enough to play for us seems to be whether you played against them, perhaps you will kindly provide us with a list of those who you thought could be useful. Pardew can then get on the blower and sign them up. Hurry now, mind, as we only have until close of play Tuesday.

 

I understand football, I am nearly as qualified as him, I was fast tracked to the UEFA licences and will be doing my 4th and final badge (Wont get a look in to do the pro) in the next 2 years. It wasn't really a minor level was it, i'd consider the Wessex league a minor level as its the bottom of the football pyramid. I have played against several of the current squad, but thats not what i'm judging them on. Anyone who knows anything about football can see Gillet is wel out of his depth.

 

I would say playing Pardews 4-4-2 formation, the best team is

 

----------------------Davis

 

Murty---------Trottman---Perry---------Harding

 

 

--------------Hammond--Schneiderlin

Mellis--------------------------------------Mills

 

-------------------Lallana

-----------------------Lambert

 

That is our strongest 11 at the moment, I would expect it to change come 5pm tuesday.

[Wes Tender]

you all mock Bizzle..

 

yet pardew agrees and he is more than qualified to judge...

is pardew talking out of his arse too about gillet..?

 

What has Pardew said about Gillett? I must have missed it.

[ericofarabia]

And how do you define an argument?

 

This should help

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

[Wes Tender]

I understand football, I am nearly as qualified as him, I was fast tracked to the UEFA licences and will be doing my 4th and final badge (Wont get a look in to do the pro) in the next 2 years. It wasn't really a minor level was it, i'd consider the Wessex league a minor level as its the bottom of the football pyramid. I have played against several of the current squad, but thats not what i'm judging them on. Anyone who knows anything about football can see Gillet is wel out of his depth.

 

I would say playing Pardews 4-4-2 formation, the best team is

 

----------------------Davis

 

Murty---------Trottman---Perry---------Harding

 

 

--------------Hammond--Schneiderlin

Mellis--------------------------------------Mills

 

-------------------Lallana

-----------------------Lambert

 

That is our strongest 11 at the moment, I would expect it to change come 5pm tuesday.

 

For somebody at university, your comprehension seems to be a bit lacking. As you had played against Gillett and therefore feel able to judge him on the basis of one game, I asked you to name other players you had played against who you thought were capable of doing a job for us. You named instead what you thought was our best squad.

 

That was a bit irrellevant, of course, as both Mills and Murty are out injured. If you're going to include players who can't play for us, you might as well tell us which positions are going to be filled with new signings to replace our weak spots. I reckon another CB, another RB, at least one pacy winger and another more mobile striker to go up front with Lambert. That would probably do until January, but even Scneiderlin and Saganowski might have gone by Tuesday.

 

I have to laugh at the arrogance of youth that suggests that you are nearly as well qualified as Pardew. So how long have you been managing teams? It's a bit like the spotty scrot who comes into a company thinking that because of his degree he can do a better job than somebody who has less paper qualifications, but has actually worked his way up to that position and gained real experience.

 

Everybody on here likes to pick a team for us, based on their own ideas and perceptions of what they have seen of the players. To do it well, a manager must also choose the players who might exploit weaknesses in the opposition, or counter their strengths. So I presume that with your vast knowledge of the game, the team you selected was the best team to beat Stockport, rather than the best team to play all season regardless of who the opposition is.

[dellgirl]

Sadly I have never played football,my father played and I grew up watching him and married someone who did,my son played and I have watched Saints all my life,so,my opinion is female...as both Kenwyne and Simon have come back from long term injuries..are you a bit 'frit' for a time after that and then your confidence comes back..and you get motoring again when the fear subsides? I would welcome the expert opinion on here.

[Verbal]

And how do you define an argument?

 

I'll let you in to a little secret - which may explain the spats with Mr '94%' Bizzle

 

Read the German philosopher Arthur Shopenhauer's '38 Ways to Win an Argument.'

 

The ones relevant to this forum are:

 

8. Make your opponent angry.

 

and

 

38. Become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand.

 

HTH ****head.

[Wes Tender]

Sadly I have never played football,my father played and I grew up watching him and married someone who did,my son played and I have watched Saints all my life,so,my opinion is female...as both Kenwyne and Simon have come back from long term injuries..are you a bit 'frit' for a time after that and then your confidence comes back..and you get motoring again when the fear subsides? I would welcome the expert opinion on here.

 

Are there any experts on here, Dellgirl?

 

It's more a matter of human nature, isn't it? It isn't altogether surprising that if a footballer suffers a horrendous injury from a tackle, for example, that when his injury is healed, he might be very nervous of repeating the experience. I'm sure that there are players who would continue just as before, but I'm also certain that it must be a factor with others. Take Oakley as an example. After his bad injury, he never seemed to get stuck in quite as much as he used to after it, at least for us.

[Wes Tender]

I'll let you in to a little secret - which may explain the spats with Mr '94%' Bizzle

 

Read the German philosopher Arthur Shopenhauer's '38 Ways to Win an Argument.'

 

The ones relevant to this forum are:

 

8. Make your opponent angry.

 

and

 

38. Become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand.

 

HTH ****head.

 

Isn't Shopenhauer's own argument weakened by the fact that Germany lost the two major arguments of the last century?

[Verbal]

Isn't Shopenhauer's own argument weakened by the fact that Germany lost the two major arguments of the last century?

 

I think it's the reason Germany got into the arguments in the first place.

 

Read Schopenhauer while listening to Wagner and try telling me you right arm doesn't straighten and lift, as you develop an irresistible urge to qualify for a coaching badge, and claim mastery over all you survey with your 94%.

[TheSaint75]

I wonder if Mr 94% has joined the uni debating team.....or is he just a cyber mass-debater?

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I think it's the reason Germany got into the arguments in the first place.

 

Read Schopenhauer while listening to Wagner and try telling me you right arm doesn't straighten and lift, as you develop an irresistible urge to qualify for a coaching badge, and claim mastery over all you survey with your 94%.

 

I've never read Schopenhauer but Wagner does indeed encourage a chap to invade Poland for some reason .

[TheSaint75]

I've never read Schopenhauer but Wagner does indeed encourage a chap to invade Poland for some reason .

 

What do the Poles listen to, to invade the UK then?

[Verbal]

What do the Poles listen to, to invade the UK then?

 

S Club 7.

[J Bizzle]

For somebody at university, your comprehension seems to be a bit lacking. As you had played against Gillett and therefore feel able to judge him on the basis of one game, I asked you to name other players you had played against who you thought were capable of doing a job for us. You named instead what you thought was our best squad.

 

That was a bit irrellevant, of course, as both Mills and Murty are out injured. If you're going to include players who can't play for us, you might as well tell us which positions are going to be filled with new signings to replace our weak spots. I reckon another CB, another RB, at least one pacy winger and another more mobile striker to go up front with Lambert. That would probably do until January, but even Scneiderlin and Saganowski might have gone by Tuesday.

 

I have to laugh at the arrogance of youth that suggests that you are nearly as well qualified as Pardew. So how long have you been managing teams? It's a bit like the spotty scrot who comes into a company thinking that because of his degree he can do a better job than somebody who has less paper qualifications, but has actually worked his way up to that position and gained real experience.

 

Everybody on here likes to pick a team for us, based on their own ideas and perceptions of what they have seen of the players. To do it well, a manager must also choose the players who might exploit weaknesses in the opposition, or counter their strengths. So I presume that with your vast knowledge of the game, the team you selected was the best team to beat Stockport, rather than the best team to play all season regardless of who the opposition is.

 

Out of that 11, I've only played against Lallana and Mills, but like I said, thats our strongest 11. The strongest 11 can include players that are injured as it's not the match day 11.

 

Well last year I was coaching at Clevedon Town, this year will be at Bristol rovers working with their U18's. I don't expect to be a manager, but I know football and read the game much better than most. When I go to watch a game of football I don't watch where the balls going, I watch the players movement and space opening up. Thats why watching Barcelona and Arsenal is so incredible.

 

If you want me to come up with a team to play stockport, I will. I prefer to play a 433 formation, but due to Schneiderlin probably not having his head in the game today and James having to play RB, i will have to go for 2 in the middle and wide men.

 

-----------------------Davis

 

James----------Trottman---Perry----------Harding

 

---------------Hammond---Wotton

Mellis---------------------------------------lallana

 

-----------------Saganowski

------------------------Lambert

 

That is probably the strongest team we have available for today.

[Wes Tender]

Out of that 11, I've only played against Lallana and Mills, but like I said, thats our strongest 11. The strongest 11 can include players that are injured as it's not the match day 11.

 

Well last year I was coaching at Clevedon Town, this year will be at Bristol rovers working with their U18's. I don't expect to be a manager, but I know football and read the game much better than most. When I go to watch a game of football I don't watch where the balls going, I watch the players movement and space opening up. Thats why watching Barcelona and Arsenal is so incredible.

 

If you want me to come up with a team to play stockport, I will. I prefer to play a 433 formation, but due to Schneiderlin probably not having his head in the game today and James having to play RB, i will have to go for 2 in the middle and wide men.

 

-----------------------Davis

 

James----------Trottman---Perry----------Harding

 

---------------Hammond---Wotton

Mellis---------------------------------------lallana

 

-----------------Saganowski

------------------------Lambert

 

That is probably the strongest team we have available for today.

Well, replace Wotton with Gillett and I'd agree.

[Evil Monkey]

Well, replace Wotton with Gillett and I'd agree.

 

According to the OS, Gillet isnt even in the squad.

[Wiltshire Saint]

I have also played against Gillett and can confirm he is rubbish. I beat him every time I had the ball. One time I remember flicking the ball over his head, running round him, catching the ball on one shoulder and then rilling it across my neck onto the other shoulder and all the time he did nothing. I then flicked the ball into the air and scored a bicycle kick from the half way line. I went straight to Gillett and said "I pity you, you probably don't even have any GCSEs". After the game I saw Gillett and Kenwyne Jones outside the changing rooms (it was a Saints XI I was playing against) and Jones said he liked my style and I said "I think you're going to be a great player one day....maybe in the mould of Drogba". He laughed and I said "No, honestly, I have spotted your talent long before anyone else.....just believe in yourself". He thanked me and then went on to be a world superstar. Gillett, on the other hand, is not fit to clean my boots. He's probably from a council estate.

[Verbal]

I have also played against Gillett and can confirm he is rubbish. I beat him every time I had the ball. One time I remember flicking the ball over his head, running round him, catching the ball on one shoulder and then rilling it across my neck onto the other shoulder and all the time he did nothing. I then flicked the ball into the air and scored a bicycle kick from the half way line.

 

Impressive for a ref. But doesn't it break some implied notion of impartiality?

[Wes Tender]

I have also played against Gillett and can confirm he is rubbish. I beat him every time I had the ball. One time I remember flicking the ball over his head, running round him, catching the ball on one shoulder and then rilling it across my neck onto the other shoulder and all the time he did nothing. I then flicked the ball into the air and scored a bicycle kick from the half way line. I went straight to Gillett and said "I pity you, you probably don't even have any GCSEs". After the game I saw Gillett and Kenwyne Jones outside the changing rooms (it was a Saints XI I was playing against) and Jones said he liked my style and I said "I think you're going to be a great player one day....maybe in the mould of Drogba". He laughed and I said "No, honestly, I have spotted your talent long before anyone else.....just believe in yourself". He thanked me and then went on to be a world superstar. Gillett, on the other hand, is not fit to clean my boots. He's probably from a council estate.

 

Shame that you're refereeing Man Utd v Arsenal today, or you could have done a useful job for us today at this level.

[Charlie Wayman]

I am amazed just how many tits are twittering on this thread. Must be time for migration?