Saints Fans

[Wes Tender]

I believe we have taken more beatings than an escort at a Max Mosley party. 8-0 everton 7-0 leeds 7-2 Liverpool the list is endless it seems.That has formed my mindset over the years and I like many when we were 3 up v Leeds a few seasons ago said to a friend we might get a draw now. Time has eroded any faith in our club winning and that mind set really will be hard to shift.I had hoped that the young players coming throuh had a winning mindest ande so would be more hardened against losing. it seems that was a forlorn hope.

 

When they were in the Academy, they did indeed have that winning mentality, but regrettably it was beaten out of them last season when they were all thrown in at the deep end without the support of older players around them to reassure and guide them.

 

The good thing about the signings made by Pardew, is that he has mostly picked players who are winners. Players like Murty and Hammond didn't get to be captains of their respective teams by not having a never say die attitude and an ability to inspire others.

 

I hope that by signing almost an entirely new team and blooding the brighter young propects gradually, we can build a winning mentality in the team, so that whenever they go behind, they will redouble their efforts to get back onto level terms rather than let their heads drop.

[eelpie]

Is it still ok to slag off Gillett though...?

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=415965#post415965

 

;-)

It's ok if you are an embittered ex-footballer who knows what he is talking about, apparently.

[JamiSaint]

I used to be a season-tickets holder, but don't come to games anymore because of our fans - many of whom are a bunch of negative, critical, on occasion aggressive, expletive-ridden muppets. Why should I spend £75 and five hours travelling to put up with that? I hate the atmosphere at SMS. It's depressing. No wonder we have one of the worst home records in the country. Fans need to sharpen up, create the kind of positive atmosphere we had during much of the Strachan era, and remember that we're not a big club with an automatic right to win every match. Pardew's rebuilding will take time. Judge him in a year - or even two. Support him wholeheartedly until then, even through the losses that will no doubt come. Then, maybe then, I'll come back (and I reckon many more will).

[trousers]

I used to be a season-tickets holder, but don't come to games anymore because of our fans - many of whom are a bunch of negative, critical, on occasion aggressive, expletive-ridden muppets. Why should I spend £75 and five hours travelling to put up with that? I hate the atmosphere at SMS. It's depressing. No wonder we have one of the worst home records in the country. Fans need to sharpen up, create the kind of positive atmosphere we had during much of the Strachan era, and remember that we're not a big club with an automatic right to win every match. Pardew's rebuilding will take time. Judge him in a year - or even two. Support him wholeheartedly until then, even through the losses that will no doubt come. Then, maybe then, I'll come back (and I reckon many more will).

 

Fair play, but some would argue that staying away because of the lack of positiveness is a self defeating prophecy in that the best way to flush out any negativeness is to show up and lead by example?

[CB Fry]

Fair play, but some would argue that staying away because of the lack of positiveness is a self defeating prophecy in that the best way to flush out any negativeness is to show up and lead by example?

 

 

Indeed. My view on any attendance debate is always "do what you like" but I had to laugh at JamiSaints post which is basically saying "I'm not going anymore because I am a better fan than those that do go".

 

Really rather silly.

 

I don't get the idea that people can't quite see the connection between the fact that we have been losing, a lot, in the last couple of seasons and the fact the fan base is ever so slightly disgruntled.

 

Look at the attendance figures, look at who is still pouring through the turnstiles despite us being rock bottom of tier three. And then tell me our fans are rubbish and negative and "not as good as what I am".

 

This is an utterly absurd debate.

[um pahars]

Indeed. My view on any attendance debate is always "do what you like" but I had to laugh at JamiSaints post which is basically saying "I'm not going anymore because I am a better fan than those that do go".

 

Really rather silly.

 

I don't get the idea that people can't quite see the connection between the fact that we have been losing, a lot, in the last couple of seasons and the fact the fan base is ever so slightly disgruntled.

 

Look at the attendance figures, look at who is still pouring through the turnstiles despite us being rock bottom of tier three. And then tell me our fans are rubbish and negative and "not as good as what I am".

 

This is an utterly absurd debate.

 

I'm glad you took the time to say that, because I really couldn't be bothered to respond to such banal waffle (i.e. so insightful on the atmosphere, te doesn't attend, knocking those who attend whilst staying away etc etc etc:rolleyes:).

[Wes Tender]

I used to be a season-tickets holder, but don't come to games anymore because of our fans - many of whom are a bunch of negative, critical, on occasion aggressive, expletive-ridden muppets. Why should I spend £75 and five hours travelling to put up with that? I hate the atmosphere at SMS. It's depressing. No wonder we have one of the worst home records in the country. Fans need to sharpen up, create the kind of positive atmosphere we had during much of the Strachan era, and remember that we're not a big club with an automatic right to win every match. Pardew's rebuilding will take time. Judge him in a year - or even two. Support him wholeheartedly until then, even through the losses that will no doubt come. Then, maybe then, I'll come back (and I reckon many more will).

 

Come on, you're not fooling anybody. Be honest, you don't come because you can't be bothered to go to the effort and expense for third division football. Lots of fans used to moan and groan when we were being hammered in the Premiership. I'm assuming that you weren't put off coming because of the negative fans then, were you?

[eelpie]

It always amazes me that so-called footie fans are more interested in this forum than actually watching the real thing.

 

Am I missing something?

[kpturner]

I used to be a season-tickets holder, but don't come to games anymore because of our fans - many of whom are a bunch of negative, critical, on occasion aggressive, expletive-ridden muppets. Why should I spend £75 and five hours travelling to put up with that? I hate the atmosphere at SMS. It's depressing. No wonder we have one of the worst home records in the country. Fans need to sharpen up, create the kind of positive atmosphere we had during much of the Strachan era, and remember that we're not a big club with an automatic right to win every match. Pardew's rebuilding will take time. Judge him in a year - or even two. Support him wholeheartedly until then, even through the losses that will no doubt come. Then, maybe then, I'll come back (and I reckon many more will).

How are you going to tell if the atmosphere is to your liking (or not, as the case may be) unless you come? Perhaps you should just try a different part of the ground......or perhaps you'd like to wait until the opposition are of a higher calibre....

[Kadeem Hardison]

*Clears throat* Well, the truth is, people can choose what they decide to think. It doesn't matter what happens to you, you can choose to think in any way you like. Too many people choose to think negatively when something negative happens, whether that be a player playing poorly, a bad refereeing decision, or whatever. I firmly believe that successful people, in sports, business and elsewhere, choose to think positively in the face of adversity. They'll find something good out of what happened, and focus on that. Last night, there are 2 ways to react to what happens. ***** and moan at the referee, feel hard done by because decisions didn't go our way, look at who made the mistakes for the goals....etc etc. Or, you could walk out with your head held high, thinking we dominated a premiership team for 70 odd minutes, without the help of the ref, also feeling good about how we're starting to show we're a solid team, thinking about all the good individual performances, the great goal etc etc.

 

I think, having read this forum for so long now, that too many of our fans concentrate their energy on the negatives too much....even when things are really sh1te, there will always be SOMETHING positive to take from a game or a season. Even if it's a tiny, tiny thing. Positive people surrounding the pitch in the stands will, whether you believe it or not, have nothing but a positive effect on the players. And even if you think that you thinking negatively will have no effect, then why not just think positively anyway, it'll make you feel better, if not have any effect on the team. I cannot understand, for one second, why people make excuses for thinking negatively, just so they can justify it. Anyone would think they WANT to be unhappy.

 

It's not about being happy clappy. But why would anyone CHOOSE to think negatively?!

 

That's my opinion anyway

 

It's good to see you took my advice and read some Mike Brearley/Sun Tzu. I'm impressed that you went out and got them so quickly, but well done nonetheless. It would have been noce to have had some acknowledgement and perhaps an apology though.

[St_Tel49]

I believe we have taken more beatings than an escort at a Max Mosley party. 8-0 everton 7-0 leeds 7-2 Liverpool the list is endless it seems.That has formed my mindset over the years and I like many when we were 3 up v Leeds a few seasons ago said to a friend we might get a draw now. Time has eroded any faith in our club winning and that mind set really will be hard to shift.I had hoped that the young players coming throuh had a winning mindest ande so would be more hardened against losing. it seems that was a forlorn hope.

 

I could be wrong, not being an expert on such things, but isn't it Mosley who takes the beatings ;-)

[sotonnick]

talking of saints fans, does anyone have any idea of which day fans can attend training?

[OldNick]

I could be wrong, not being an expert on such things, but isn't it Mosley who takes the beatings ;-)

Lol, I looking it as if it was my party.I'd do the whipping lol

[Wes Tender]

talking of saints fans, does anyone have any idea of which day fans can attend training?

 

Do we fans need training? Who by and to what end? I can imagine some of the topics for the fans' training meetings:-

 

1) Matchday Chants - the part they play in the team's success

2) How can you improve your support, individually and collectively?

3) How to overcome feelings of negativity and despondency

4) Holding your end up in encounters with rival fans

5) Fan's forums v Official site. Where is the truth to be found?

 

[sotonnick]

Do we fans need training? Who by and to what end? I can imagine some of the topics for the fans' training meetings:-

 

1) Matchday Chants - the part they play in the team's success

2) How can you improve your support, individually and collectively?

3) How to overcome feelings of negativity and despondency

4) Holding your end up in encounters with rival fans

5) Fan's forums v Official site. Where is the truth to be found?

 

 

seriously though, is there a day when fans can attend first team training and get shirts etc. signed afterwards?

[St Will]

It's good to see you took my advice and read some Mike Brearley/Sun Tzu. I'm impressed that you went out and got them so quickly, but well done nonetheless. It would have been noce to have had some acknowledgement and perhaps an apology though.

 

I haven't read any of that stuff, nor do I need to, as I'm pretty much certain I know more about "winning psychology" than you, through working with many of the top sports psychologists, notably Jamil Qureshi, Karl Morris and Dr Jay Brunzer, as well as sought advice from Denis Waitley and Tony Robbins.....even so, I wouldn't dream about spouting that stuff from 3/4 the way up a stand at a football match, when it will have no influence, other than to make me look an idiot.

[Wilko]

It's good to see you took my advice and read some Mike Brearley/Sun Tzu. I'm impressed that you went out and got them so quickly, but well done nonetheless. It would have been noce to have had some acknowledgement and perhaps an apology though.

 

Master Sun says

Shut up and lift

[70's Mike]

I used to be a season-tickets holder, but don't come to games anymore because of our fans - many of whom are a bunch of negative, critical, on occasion aggressive, expletive-ridden muppets. Why should I spend £75 and five hours travelling to put up with that? I hate the atmosphere at SMS. It's depressing. No wonder we have one of the worst home records in the country. Fans need to sharpen up, create the kind of positive atmosphere we had during much of the Strachan era, and remember that we're not a big club with an automatic right to win every match. Pardew's rebuilding will take time. Judge him in a year - or even two. Support him wholeheartedly until then, even through the losses that will no doubt come. Then, maybe then, I'll come back (and I reckon many more will).

 

So you stay away when results and performances are a bit iffy and come back when things improve you come back.

 

Perhaps you should stay away

[rocknrollman no2]

What surprises me is that despite us suffering two relegations,a never ending list of bad managers,a Chairman intent on doing his best to destroy us,chancers and timewasters coming and going and a team who couldnt seem to gel,until it was too late,we still have a very loyal and dedicated fan base.

You only have to hear the Northam in full voice every home game to realise this.

Yet people on here still moan about our fans?

What planet are these moaners on???

[70's Mike]

What surprises me is that despite us suffering two relegations,a never ending list of bad managers,a Chairman intent on doing his best to destroy us,chancers and timewasters coming and going and a team who couldnt seem to gel,until it was too late,we still have a very loyal and dedicated fan base.

You only have to hear the Northam in full voice every home game to realise this.

Yet people on here still moan about our fans?

What planet are these moaners on???

 

Cyber world or skatesville