alpine_saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 Our loss of focus after the first Brum goal was criminal.
Give it to Ron Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 Our loss of focus after the first Brum goal was criminal. Nothing to do with the disruption to the midfield and defence with Murty off and James to right back?
Colinjb Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 Our loss of focus after the first Brum goal was criminal. We wouldn't be the first team from a lower league to lose focus after conceeding to 'higher' opposition. Just look at Burnley in the league cup last year. Works both ways, Brum will have been spurred on as much as we were demoralised.
pilsburydoughboy Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 I know the number of an eye fitness coach. In fact i know where to get hold of some redundant eye training gyms etc Just call Staplewood.
alpine_saint Posted 25 August, 2009 Author Posted 25 August, 2009 Nothing to do with the disruption to the midfield and defence with Murty off and James to right back? No, I genuinely dont think so. I noticed from the kick-off following our goal we went deeper. Their first goal just confirmed the players fears/expectations.
Give it to Ron Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 No, I genuinely dont think so. I noticed from the kick-off following our goal we went deeper. Their first goal just confirmed the players fears/expectations. Yep we did go deeper and failed to push out for the second goal but we did push on and have a go and didnt just sit back. Had we got that elusive second goal I think we would of gone on to win. Murty going not only loses us a full back but someone with superb positional play and experience.
Wes Tender Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 No, I genuinely dont think so. I noticed from the kick-off following our goal we went deeper. Their first goal just confirmed the players fears/expectations. Yes, you're right and I commented on it in the match report. Had we kept pressing, closing them down like we did before our goal, things might have been different. But I also thought that Murty going off made the difference defensively. But ML could consider investing a few bob on a sports psychologist to keep the players focussed all through the match, winning or losing. On the other hand, the lads have got a lot to be proud of tonight against Premiership opposition. If their confidence is boosted to the next match and they win that, then perhaps they have turned a corner and will begin to believe in themselves.
PaulSaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 I agree, we have everything in place for success except for belief in ourselves. Its been evident all season except against lower opposition! Uri Gellars only a few hours away?
beatlesaint Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 Alpine is absolutely right, the players need their heads sorting out. Its been so long now that there is no winning mentality, AP himself has said this on many occasions. As soon as we conceed their heads go, we go all to pot, panic sets in and there is a feeling of "here we go again", you can almost see it in them. Up until they scored I thought we were superb tonight, and how we lost that game is a complete travesty......the players could do no more......but when they take a knock of confidence they are stuffed I'm afraid.....and that needs sorting PDQ.
docker-p Posted 25 August, 2009 Posted 25 August, 2009 Lots of positives to take. But that is three times out of four we have failed to hold onto a lead this season at home.
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Posted 29 August, 2009 Seemed the right time to resurrect this...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I could not agree more, we have got something badly wrong. Perhaps the fans could see one as well.
Saint_clark Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 To be fair Alpine, if it turns out the ball didn't hit his arm, then it should have gone out for a goal kick with the full time whistle following.
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Seemed the right time to resurrect this... Definitely. A sports psychologist would prevent unlucky ricochets leading to penalties.
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Posted 29 August, 2009 Definitely. A sports psychologist would prevent unlucky ricochets leading to penalties. No, but he might he the team looking for a second goal rather than holding on, FFS.
Saint_clark Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 No, but he might he the team looking for a second goal rather than holding on, FFS. We WERE. We kept pushing forward until 10 minutes from the end when, no matter what anyone says, every team in this league will start to sit on a 1-0 lead.
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 No, but he might he the team looking for a second goal rather than holding on, FFS. We hit the bar twice after scoring and had a goal ruled out for offside. FFFFFFFFS.
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Posted 29 August, 2009 We WERE. We kept pushing forward until 10 minutes from the end when, no matter what anyone says, every team in this league will start to sit on a 1-0 lead. Oh, so we are just "unlucky" are we ? B*ll*cks.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I think the point he's making (not meaning to speak on your behalf Alpine) is that due to our players psyche's we invite pressure, start to panic, and end up giving up chances and ultimately goals.
Made in Southampton Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Yeah may be he could give trottman eyes in the back of his head. He wasnt even faceing the ball ffs. You are such an attention seeker, trying to get one up manships and I Told you so's at this time is frankly asking for trouble.
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Posted 29 August, 2009 Yeah may be he could give trottman eyes in the back of his head. He wasnt even faceing the ball ffs. You are such an attention seeker, trying to get one up manships and I Told you so's at this time is frankly asking for trouble. If you cannot see the team is somehow mentally deficient, then you are the one with the problem, my friend.
team-saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Seriously... a sports psychologist...... what the **** is that?? It's about the players and the manager. Bringing in a sports psychologist is the kind of thing Lowe would have done.
Saint_clark Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I think the point he's making (not meaning to speak on your behalf Alpine) is that due to our players psyche's we invite pressure, start to panic, and end up giving up chances and ultimately goals. But we weren't panicking, which is a huge difference to last season. We were dealing with all the balls in really well.
Saint 76er Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Better make it a hypnotherapist .... "and when I click my fingers you will concede no more late goals".... "one, two, three and click".... "You may all wake up now and get back to training".... Problem solved.
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I think the point he's making (not meaning to speak on your behalf Alpine) is that due to our players psyche's we invite pressure, start to panic, and end up giving up chances and ultimately goals. Yes, I think that's the point he's making but in this case he is completely wrong.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Seriously... a sports psychologist...... what the **** is that? FYI... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_psychology
Daren W Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Our loss of focus after the first Brum goal was criminal. Now if Lowe had said that you'd all call him bonkers... Woodward had more to offer than any of us cared to believe...
SaintRobbie Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Now if Lowe had said that you'd all call him bonkers... Woodward had more to offer than any of us cared to believe... Lowe was bonkers and SCW had nothing to offer us apart from a pointless eye-gym and contributing to the loss of a potentially decent manager and making us into a laughing stock...IMHO of course.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 I think Alpine was talking hypothetically so to speak. And he's right - the team's mentality is such that defending = hit and hope. Many clearances get punted upfield to the half-way line - there's no-one there to pick it upbecause EVERYONE is putting in defensive duty (because the team are scared of getting done in the last minutes) - and hey presto the opposing team just put it back in the mixer ready for us to make a defensive ****-up...just give it enough time and a ****-up will happen.
Daren W Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Lowe was bonkers and SCW had nothing to offer us apart from a pointless eye-gym and contributing to the loss of a potentially decent manager and making us into a laughing stock...IMHO of course. Disagree... Pardew is quoted on here from, I think, a Times article in which he says sports psychology and modern methods are the way forward. Everyone on here praises his forward thinking... Sir Clive Woodward suggests the very same thing and he's a loon... Go figure..
SouthportSaint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 There was certainly no tired legs or panic this afternoon. If anything we were maybe a little over confident. We had been dealing comfortably with high balls into the box and I don't think we thought they could hurt us.
alpine_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Posted 29 August, 2009 Now if Lowe had said that you'd all call him bonkers... Woodward had more to offer than any of us cared to believe... I maintained all along that Woodward brought too much celebrity baggage with him, but that the idea of a sports psych was a good one. And so it has proven. We have changed ownership, changed management, changed players and still suffer that same comfort-zone underachieving losing sh*t.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 (edited) Seriously... a sports psychologist...... what the **** is that?? It's about the players and the manager. Bringing in a sports psychologist is the kind of thing Lowe would have done. All international athletes have counselling sessions with sports psychologists actually, no doubt our players do as well. It would surprise me totally if they don't .No doubt the club already has a sports psychology practionnier on call 24/7. You have to understand just how hard it is to be a professional sports person, to push yourself to the limit in training day after day when other f*ckers are out on the p*ss and partying.It's not an easy life, perhaps football is an exception but I very much doubt it. Edited 29 August, 2009 by Window Cleaner
lee_saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 A family friend is the sports psychologist at Cardiff City......they are heavily used.
Block 5 Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 Not only do Saints need a sports psychologist but I need a psychiatrist......I agree with Alpine about something.
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Posted 29 August, 2009 There was certainly no tired legs or panic this afternoon. If anything we were maybe a little over confident. We had been dealing comfortably with high balls into the box and I don't think we thought they could hurt us. Thanks for that. Nice to hear the vews of someone who saw the match.
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