MLT on Radio 5Live

[COMEONYOUREDS]

What medication would that be and do you even know what medical issues I have as oppose to what has been assumed by the majority on here? Or is this just another unsolicited insinuation about my private life to avoid acknowledging the points I have made.

 

Clearly most posters on this thread don't actually read what I have written or are selective at best. Everything, I have written is based on what MLT has said recently which has confirmed my thoughts of him as a player thoughts that I am not alone in having.

 

The main crux of my argument is that he wasted his talent as an individual, why, appears to be open to debate but the fact remains he didn't get or take the opportunities that would have elevated him to football greatness on a global scale. We can debate all we like but the facts are indisputable.

 

For me his ego and arrogance have only come across in his recent intreviews and the book title and not to mention his alleged complacency in endorsing the Pinnacle bid. I don't think any player should act as if he is above the advice of his coaches and hearing him give his reasons why he didn't consider moving into a coaching role was enlightening as it was disappointing and perhaps his attitude and belief that the team would play rubbish wthout him was actually not a great personal trait to have and quite divisive. Could you imagine MLT playing for Man U under Ferguson who has tamed far greater players with even bigger ego's than MLT. We can't imagine it and although we all applaud him for his loyalty IMO he gave it to us for all the wrong reasons - IMO it comes across that he wanted the easy life, an attitude that would get slated today.

 

We were therefore lucky as a club to have great player who was content to play out his career at SFC and I enjoyed his goals as much as the next fan and have the video and DVD to prove it. It seems to grate that I wouldn't select him as my footballing hero at SFC (which was my main point to start with) but IMO you cannot compare his achievements with those of Mick Channon or Keegan and Ball for that matter but what Channon has achieved is unique I believe at least to the level he has achieved in both his chosen sports.

 

 

you are such a moron. f*ck off

[AussieDog]

who made the most of their talents? George Best?, Jimmy Greaves?, Paul Gasgcoine?, or MLT?? Who was the best player??? most importantly of all.....who had the best quality of life??? There are hundreds of other examples I could have picked, but whether or not you appreciated MLT, I very much doubt if you could find one true Saints fan who ever had aspirations of playing themselves, who would not have wanted to BE the player MLT was.

We may have chosen to have made better use of our talents than he did - but that was his right to use them in that way. Rather than feel "cheated" over what he didn't (but could have) achieved, I still feel priviledged to have witnessed the majority of his magic moments.

'Nuff said???

[um pahars]

 

So , tell me. What is Justin Fashanu up to these days?? ;-)

 

I think you'll find the Fashanu faux pas was made by Sundance Beast and Nineteen Canteen assures us he's not him;)

 

 

Then again Ponty has assured us that Nineteen Canteen was allowed to re-register after being banned as Sundance Beast and they are one and the same. Are you bullshtting us Ponty:---)

 

 

Then again, as Sundance Beast sent quite a few of us the following:

 

"You also miss the point that I was banned as The Fourth Bear also was found out to be Flashmanatthecharge who was banned"

 

 

So with all these comings & goings, bullsht and lies, etc etc etc, it's sooooooooooo easy to get all confused:rolleyes:

[Verbal]

I think you'll find the Fashanu faux pas was made by Sundance Beast and Nineteen Canteen assures us he's not him;)

 

 

Then again Ponty has assured us that Nineteen Canteen was allowed to re-register after being banned as Sundance Beast and they are one and the same. Are you bullshtting us Ponty:---)

 

 

Then again, as Sundance Beast sent quite a few of us the following:

 

"You also miss the point that I was banned as The Fourth Bear also was found out to be Flashmanatthecharge who was banned"

 

 

So with all these comings & goings, bullsht and lies, etc etc etc, it's sooooooooooo easy to get all confused:rolleyes:

 

That would be the same Ponty who, at the time 19C first appeared, said that the mods were 'suspicious' and were looking at his and Sundance's IP addresses. I really can't figure out how to square that claim with the suggestion that Sundance was given an explicit amnesty.

 

I don't want to make a big issue of this - it's just that, as far as Sundance/19C is concerned, he's for some unexplained reason allowed to operate outside the rules that apply to the rest of us.

 

And someone should perhaps reproduce that Sundance PM in full. It has a few other gems in it which are relevent to the present tussles. Since Sundance is no more, I assume that no rules would be broken by revealing all its contents.

[Ponty]

You guys rock my world.

[Verbal]

You guys rock my world.

 

You should brush up on your trash talk. That's so last decade.

[um pahars]

That would be the same Ponty who, at the time 19C first appeared, said that the mods were 'suspicious' and were looking at his and Sundance's IP addresses. I really can't figure out how to square that claim with the suggestion that Sundance was given an explicit amnesty.

 

Have to say that stank of bullsht to me at the time as well. :---)

 

The mods have been caught with their pants down on this one.

 

When Nineteen first arrived on the scene (2/3 days after Sundance Beast was banned) the mods were adamant it wasn't the same poster.

 

It then turns out that the mods knew it was Sundance all along and had allowed him to re-register under an amnesty.

 

No wonder it's soooooooooooo easy to get confused on this one:rolleyes:

[Thedelldays]

Have to say that stank of bullsht to me at the time as well. :---)

 

The mods have been caught with their pants down on this one.

 

When Nineteen first arrived on the scene (2/3 days after Sundance Beast was banned) the mods were adamant it wasn't the same poster.

 

It then turns out that the mods knew it was Sundance all along and had allowed him to re-register under an amnesty.

 

No wonder it's soooooooooooo easy to get confused on this one:rolleyes:

 

to be fair..there was an amnesty...it allowed me to register..again

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Some really interesting posts on here about and in defence of MLT

but why does this site have to go to such lengths to address

the character assasination of him???

 

The views and criticism handed out by the multi-usernamed poster

are not meant as a credible view just a blatantly obvious attempt

to get other forum members to lose their cool and resort to abuse.

 

Despite what he bashes on about he does not actually belieive what

he is writing,he merely posts it for reaction...IMO.

 

The question is why is he allowed to continue with this never ending

pattern of baiting??.....His time is up surely???

[Frank's cousin]

I never expected NCs line on this to be popular ;-) (understatment of the year) but this thread does pose an interesting question - about how we are generally more defensive and forgiving of genius and heros than those with which we cant identify. Le Tiss whatever his so called 'failings' is rightly in our hearts and minds as a true great - because of what he achieved at Saints in our colours. Other players who we forgive are the likes of Best and Gascoigne because of their innate genius, despite their failings - Le Tiss' failings were probably exactly a bit of laziness and possibly he did not go into too much background on teh whole pinnaclething trusting in those leading the 'bid' - It obviously means he would probably have been no more than a figurehead chairman, which would have suited his skills, rather than an exec which he certainly aint.... but should our heros be above criticism? Are we 'frightened ' to dig a little deeper?

 

It just seems that for teh most part whenever questions are raised about those who are 'popular' be it Lawrie or Le Tiss, there is an immediate clamp down and action against those that 'dare' to question... sure there may well be an motive behind it be it stirring or political, but that should not make us scared of the difficult questions. Matt will always be a genius in my eyes, a lazy bugger for sure, but a loyal and passionate saint who OK maybe did not get the level ofnational call ups as his talent deserved, but maybe it was reflective of his work ethic - which he freely admits... but like I said his goals and loyalty make him more forgivable for that - but we dont need to be so worried about asking questions...

Edited 28 August, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[Verbal]

Frank, I think you'll find that 19C wasn't talking about laziness so much as MLT's 'ego', arrogance' and political duplicitousness. In your rather empty pursuit of some middle line, you're forgetting that most people on here are reacting to a nasty, small-minded attempt to brand MLT with characteristics he simply does not possess.

 

All, it seems, on the basis of a book that our odd little friend hasn't read - as if the act of even touching it would somehow pollute his mind.

 

Therefore small caveats about MLT's workrate seem rather beside the point. And as for 'lack of ambition' - I mean, for heaven's sake, how badly do some people wish he'd left, and for us to have drifted into oblivion sooner?

[Wes Tender]

Some really interesting posts on here about and in defence of MLT

but why does this site have to go to such lengths to address

the character assasination of him???

 

The views and criticism handed out by the multi-usernamed poster

are not meant as a credible view just a blatantly obvious attempt

to get other forum members to lose their cool and resort to abuse.

 

Despite what he bashes on about he does not actually belieive what

he is writing,he merely posts it for reaction...IMO.

 

The question is why is he allowed to continue with this never ending

pattern of baiting??.....His time is up surely???

 

Ah! So another who believes that Nineteen is a troll. He denies it and the Mods don't believe it, so it, so you must be mistaken.

[Frank's cousin]

In your rather empty pursuit of some middle line,

 

You made sense so why the snipe? Seems a bit ironic if criticising NC for his blatent snipes and jibes...

[Scudamore]

The mods have really been caught with their pants down...

 

Max Mosleyesque exposés going on by the ever high-horse-riding Um Pahars...

 

You've blown the lid right open on the seedy underworld of corrupt administration on this website...

 

Are we all taking things a little too seriously here perhaps guys?

 

He's a troll...makes some good points but then says stupid sh:t just to get a rise...and guess what you all fall for it hook line and sinker time and time again...see it for what it is and ignore it ffs...

Edited 28 August, 2009 by Scudamore

[Verbal]

You made sense so why the snipe? Seems a bit ironic if criticising NC for his blatent snipes and jibes...

 

I made sense? Sorry, not sure how that happened. And, like tiggers, sniping is what I do best! (But I do find your fence-sitting arguments vacuous at time - sorry that's just me, no doubt)

 

Incidentally, I'm not accusing 19C of sniping. I'm accusing him of a bitter, obsessive (and therefore ultimately pointless) piece character assassination. The bottom line is that 19C's accusations make no sense whatsoever. I've seen no evidence of an overwheening ego on MLT's part, nor of arrogance,..nor of all the other cardinal sins of which he's supposed to be guilty.

 

The fact that his arguments are (mostly) formed in complete sentences does not make them rational. It's the pure irrationality of his burblings on MLT that truly makes me wonder...

[OldNick]

 

IMO you cannot compare his achievements with those of Mick Channon or Keegan and Ball for that matter but what Channon has achieved is unique I believe at least to the level he has achieved in both his chosen sports.

 

So do you think when MC deserted us for Man City he achieved the same heights as he did for us.personally I believe he was like a fish out of water there and at Norwich and he didnt achieve his stardom again until he returned to the Dell.So hardly a lesson for MLT. As for other careers MLT have carved himself a good living in the media. Not the top of racing but he didnt need to as much MC did as the rewards were even less in his days and so a secondary career was most important.

[dune]

So yet another thread has been ruined by 19C's trolling. He's not even amusing so why even bother feeding him?

 

This thread clearly illustrates how 19C should be dealt with...

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15085

 

I'd just like to add how much I enjoyed reading this post. Not for the content regarding the fight but purely for NC's hapless attempts at trolling. Despite 3 obvious attempts to yet again rile the posters on here he was completely ignored. If more people took this approach then maybe, just maybe, he'd stop doing it all together.

[Frank's cousin]

I made sense? Sorry, not sure how that happened. And, like tiggers, sniping is what I do best! (But I do find your fence-sitting arguments vacuous at time - sorry that's just me, no doubt)

 

Incidentally, I'm not accusing 19C of sniping. I'm accusing him of a bitter, obsessive (and therefore ultimately pointless) piece character assassination. The bottom line is that 19C's accusations make no sense whatsoever. I've seen no evidence of an overwheening ego on MLT's part, nor of arrogance,..nor of all the other cardinal sins of which he's supposed to be guilty.

 

The fact that his arguments are (mostly) formed in complete sentences does not make them rational. It's the pure irrationality of his burblings on MLT that truly makes me wonder...

 

NOt sure about fence sitting on this one MLT was a genius and a lazy bugger, no law that says he could not be both simultaneously. NC does seem obsessed with this for sure, but I was merely posing the question that we do seem more defensive of the flaws that go with genius, than those who will never win any popularity contests.... I just cant be wound up by NC, simply because despite not agreeing with him and depsite his odd obsession, I am sure there is an element of mischief in those posts as its was always bound to provoke - There is some truth in what he says, however unpalattable we may find it - but hero 'dissing' (to use the modern slang ) seems 'well out of order' on here whatever truth might be hidden amongst any bitterness?

[um pahars]

but we dont need to be so worried about asking questions...

 

And I don't think anyone really is that worried about questions of Le Tiss and/or others.

 

Given the fact that he himself is only too happy to recognise his shortcomings, then I don't think there is any problem discussing them on here.

 

Additionally, Fitzhugh's and others posts on here regarding his dealings with Pinnacle haven't been censored nor castigated as there was a valid question to be asked.

[Foxstone]

Have to say that stank of bullsht to me at the time as well. :---)

 

The mods have been caught with their pants down on this one.

 

When Nineteen first arrived on the scene (2/3 days after Sundance Beast was banned) the mods were adamant it wasn't the same poster.

 

It then turns out that the mods knew it was Sundance all along and had allowed him to re-register under an amnesty.

 

No wonder it's soooooooooooo easy to get confused on this one:rolleyes:

 

 

Theres been a few re-registrations in different guises from a few people in all fairness..

 

UTS ( and his many numbered offshoots) and Stanley for two.

 

Now I bet they are so happy to be in the same category as 19C

[Nineteen Canteen]

But a couple of months ago you told us about your issues !! You wrote about how sometimes you even wondered about the point of going on with life. I cannot find the post (history on this site seems to be limited to 500 posts and at your current rate of posting that is only 6 weeks ago) otherwise I would quote it.

 

I felt genuine sorrow and concern for you. There are not enough saints fans out in this world and although at times I do wonder about your allegiance to Southampton, we need all fans to be in good health - mental and physical. Your recent change of avatar brought home the turmoil in your mind.

 

You clearly enjoy taking the opposite view to the majority - which I take as a sign of your illness. As I said earlier this week , your postings on this site are a win / win if you find your postings help your personal issues as they certainly help to liven up this site.

 

So , tell me. What is Justin Fashanu up to these days?? ;-)

 

Suicide amuse you Tame does it, or the fact I don't recall the fate of every single professional football player that ever played?

 

If you recall what I said about myself then even by the lowest standards of this forum you have managed to go a bit lower. Well done you really are a very sad little man who continually makes the most pathetic attempt's of cyber bullying I have ever seen.

 

Once again no attempt to comment on my opinions as some others have instead you prefer to reinforce my opinions as having some credibility by simply attacking me personally.

[modern matron]

Suicide amuse you Tame does it, or the fact I don't recall the fate of every single professional football player that ever played?

 

If you recall what I said about myself then even by the lowest standards of this forum you have managed to go a bit lower. Well done you really are a very sad little man who continually makes the most pathetic attempt's of cyber bullying I have ever seen.

 

Once again no attempt to comment on my opinions as some others have instead you prefer to reinforce my opinions as having some credibility by simply attacking me personally.

 

Frankly I work in mental health and this thread/post is nasty and appalling and should be locked. It is personal. nasty and nothing to do with the great MLT, the great MC and the great Southampton FC. Shame on you....

[Gemmel]

once again no attempt to comment on my opinions as some others have instead you prefer to reinforce my opinions as having some credibility by simply attacking my personallites

...

Edited 29 August, 2009 by Gemmel

[Tamesaint]

Suicide amuse you Tame does it, or the fact I don't recall the fate of every single professional football player that ever played?

 

If you recall what I said about myself then even by the lowest standards of this forum you have managed to go a bit lower. Well done you really are a very sad little man who continually makes the most pathetic attempt's of cyber bullying I have ever seen.

 

Once again no attempt to comment on my opinions as some others have instead you prefer to reinforce my opinions as having some credibility by simply attacking me personally.

 

I still feel genuine sorrow and concern for you. Get well soon.

[trousers]

Some people seem to be alluding to the fact that 'Nineteen Canteen' (and other alledged incarnations) is a stooge placed by the proprietors of this messageboard to generate traffic and debate?

 

Come on. Not even I could come up with a conspiracy theory as far-fetched as that one....

 

I don't know....whatever next? People suggesting that the 2007/2008 forum database was deliberately wiped to cover up something? When will it all end I say?

 

Madness.