MLT on Radio 5Live

[Gemmel]

So he DOES still live in ringwood and not hedge end..

Just finished listening to the download

 

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/mayo/mayo_20090825-1617b.mp3

 

 

Errr no...... " It would have been in the Gym at Ringwood, where i used to live"

[The Majestic Channon]

oh yeah

 

scrotums

[Nineteen Canteen]

Thank god you aren't a presenter otherwise you'ld have the most boring show in radio. It's a national radio station, 95% of listeners wont have a clue who Pinnacle are.............

 

I think it was Mayo's fifth question and Le Tissier's sigh was far more audible than it should have been IMO even Mayo checked before proceeding.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Quality quote by Matty on how he might not have been able to cope with the current emphasis on fitness etc, something like:

 

"Prozone would have killed my game, showing up the miles I didn't run"

 

What a hero, only Saints could have a self confessed under achiever as their legend. The more he talked the more I felt cheated that he had a lot more to give and the big sigh prior to the Pinnacle question being finished spoke volumes and he was lucky Mayo wasn't interested in pursuing it as any of us could have answered that question the way MLT did IMO. Good to know though he is still great friends with Lynam which IMO I found surprising.

 

MLT admitted he never put the two words hard and work together. A trait that I guess he carried over into his bid to be chairman IMO. He then went on and said that he didn't like the thought of the 24/7 culture which begs the question why the endorse the bid in the first place? Judging by his comments we had a very lucky escape because if he had become chairman he has admitted they were only focussing on ex-saints for 'box office appeal' lol. I like Iain Dowie but really box office appeal and Keegan would have lasted half a season before the hissy fits started and Shearer is a law unto himself and no one rates himself more highly than Shearer himself - bit like a few glass housed posters on this forum. As for WGS....another Scotland manager in waiting and a manager who needs money and lots of it just to beat Rangers IMO.

 

 

I thought MLT's assessment of his England career spoke volumes about why he didn't make it. He mentioned that under Ball the team were told to give him the ball at every opportunity and he was scoring 30 goals a season or thereabouts but at International level that wasn't the case, he didn't get the ball so much - doh! He countered if he had gone to a bigger club for international owners and only scored 15 goals why couldn't an England manager pick him at a smaller club scoring 30 goals. He isn't the sharpest is he? Playing at a bigger club as at international level he would see less of the ball but his game and fitness would have improved and his goals been harder earned. Sad contradiction and showed how unambitious he was even playing for us and clearly wasn't willing to up his effort with us or listen to his coaches. Perhaps England managers felt that with his role as the hub of the team he should be scoring even more or working a little harder .

 

At the end of both interviews I felt that Matt Le Tissier had short changed us fans and more importantly himself and perhaps that's where the title of the book comes into it. Perhaps his epitaph should be 'Paul Telfer a decent player' but I ca't help thinking of the old Ian Drury song 'What a Waste' and left thinking how great he could have been as a player and the relief we must feel he is not chairman given his comments today.

[hypochondriac]

Thank goodness that no saints fan share nineteen's veiws

[Verbal]

Hmm.

 

I suspect it was MLT's none too complementary remarks about His Lordship that has prompted this tirade. One of the really quite weird aspects of this particular poster is his clear desire to imagine himself into RL's way of thinking and to try, rather sadly, to be his representative on earth. It seems the fixation has just taken a turn for the worse.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Hmm.

 

I suspect it was MLT's none too complementary remarks about His Lordship that has prompted this tirade. One of the really quite weird aspects of this particular poster is his clear desire to imagine himself into RL's way of thinking and to try, rather sadly, to be his representative on earth. It seems the fixation has just taken a turn for the worse.

 

Not at all, Just listened to the man and what he had to say and anyone who didn't come away thinking thank god he wasn't our chairman or feeling a tad short changed that he confirmed what his critics have long thought - is deluded IMO. How great could he have been?

[David Strover]

Put him on 'ignore' it's easy to do.

[hypochondriac]

Not at all, Just listened to the man and what he had to say and anyone who didn't come away thinking thank god he wasn't our chairman or feeling a tad short changed that he confirmed what his critics have long thought - is deluded IMO. How great could he have been?

 

Anyone who thinks you are anything other than a schizophrenic weirdo who is nothing but a troll is deluded IMO.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Quality quote by Matty on how he might not have been able to cope with the current emphasis on fitness etc, something like:

 

"Prozone would have killed my game, showing up the miles I didn't run"[/QUOTE]

 

Enough to make you feel proud. The last of the dinosaurs trying to get away with the maxiumum amount of glory with the minimum amount of effort. Personally, I felt he ultimately short changed us and how great could he have been had he tried to improve his fitness and diet which by his own admission he didn't listen to the advice.

 

Still, he thinks Paul Telfer a decent player and he is still good friends with Tony Lynam. A good servant to the club but as a hero and role model I will take 1 Mike Channon to 10 Matt Le Tissiers.

[hypochondriac]

Quality quote by Matty on how he might not have been able to cope with the current emphasis on fitness etc, something like:

 

"Prozone would have killed my game, showing up the miles I didn't run"[/QUOTE]

 

Enough to make you feel proud. The last of the dinosaurs trying to get away with the maxiumum amount of glory with the minimum amount of effort. Personally, I felt he ultimately short changed us and how great could he have been had he tried to improve his fitness and diet which by his own admission he didn't listen to the advice.

 

Still, he thinks Paul Telfer a decent player and he is still good friends with Tony Lynam. A good servant to the club but as a hero and role model I will take 1 Mike Channon to 10 Matt Le Tissiers.

 

No saints fans feel the way you do. Stop banging on about it. Weirdo.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Anyone who thinks you are anything other than a schizophrenic weirdo who is nothing but a troll is deluded IMO.

 

Try breaking down my view of the interviews Hypo and convince me I am wrong. At the moment all you are doing along with the rest is strengthening my resolve that my points must have some validity.

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

No saints fans feel the way you do. Stop banging on about it. Weirdo.

 

And you speak for all 11,300 ST holders for starters + the other c.9,000 regular match day attendees and god knows how many plastics. Delusions of granduer Hypo and still no counter argument.....

[scally]

Not at all, Just listened to the man and what he had to say and anyone who didn't come away thinking thank god he wasn't our chairman or feeling a tad short changed that he confirmed what his critics have long thought - is deluded IMO. How great could he have been?

 

 

 

Its a shame you never watched him as a player because then you'd understand you sad ****.

[hypochondriac]

Try breaking down my view of the interviews Hypo and convince me I am wrong. At the moment all you are doing along with the rest is strengthening my resolve that my points must have some validity.

 

Your views fly in the face of what every other saints fan believes. I don't think you're a saints fan. I think that either you just enjoy winding people up on here or you have a serious mental illness. I suspect the latter.

[hypochondriac]

 

And you speak for all 11,300 ST holders for starters + the other c.9,000 regular match day attendees and god knows how many plastics. Delusions of granduer Hypo and still no counter argument.....

 

I have met thousands of saints fans and not one has ever expressed any of the views that you do. You're a sad wind up merchant and the sooner you leave this forum (or restrict yourself to commenting on football related matters) the better.

[saint63]

Not at all, Just listened to the man and what he had to say and anyone who didn't come away thinking thank god he wasn't our chairman or feeling a tad short changed that he confirmed what his critics have long thought - is deluded IMO. How great could he have been?

 

I listened too to the whole interview and I came away thinking what a thoroughly decent, articulate, self deprecating man MLT is. It is refreshing to find out that someone you admired on the pitch is as impressive off it. So often the opposite is true in my opinion. Heaven knows what sort of chip you have on your shoulder, 19C, because you clearly have a warped view on this issue. Given a choice on the sort of human being I'd rather be around, MLT would beat you by a mile. Sorry, but you are hoist by your own petard.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Its a shame you never watched him as a player because then you'd understand you sad ****.

 

I did, so what is your point? All I've done is repeat what our hero told us and how I felt a bit short changed that he could and should have done more to elevate his greatness. What a Waste and perhaps really Taking Le Tiss?

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

I have met thousands of saints fans and not one has ever expressed any of the views that you do. You're a sad wind up merchant and the sooner you leave this forum (or restrict yourself to commenting on football related matters) the better.

 

Thousands? Are you on the turnstiles Hypo? I have yet to have one ask me on my views on MLT.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Your views fly in the face of what every other saints fan believes. I don't think you're a saints fan. I think that either you just enjoy winding people up on here or you have a serious mental illness. I suspect the latter.

 

I suspect you are avoiding the issue.

[hypochondriac]

 

Thousands? Are you on the turnstiles Hypo? I have yet to have one ask me on my views on MLT.

 

The reception that matt got the other day speaks for itself.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Well it isn't going to be about his role in Pinnacle and while he was still backing it until the 11th hour. Pity because he woudl be more interesting than another sychophantic and shameless self publicity of a book. Still makes a change I suppose it's not the author doing the plug!

 

Don't suppose Mayo's first question will be - Well Matt I have read the book (blushes slighty) was it a concsious decision to be so lacking in any controversy?

 

His second question - do you wish you had delayed publication so you could tell the fans the real story behind Pinnacle bid as to some observers you seemed with the benefit of hindsight to actually jeopardise the club's future as oppose to save it? Don't you think it would have made the book more worthy of purchase?

 

Matt stayed with us through thick and thin and could have easily chased money! He therefore deserves every penny he makes

 

His support of Pinnacle was well meaning even if misguided and done out of a sense of loyalty and love for the club! At least he did something!

 

Matt kept us up for years and without him we would now be an obscure club with no new ground and a fast reducing fan base!

 

And why do you assume the Pinnacle bid jeopardised the clubs future? are you privvy to the administrators negotiating tactics? if so pray tell!

[Tamesaint]

Your views fly in the face of what every other saints fan believes. I don't think you're a saints fan. I think that either you just enjoy winding people up on here or you have a serious mental illness. I suspect the latter.

 

He has confessed to having a mental problem. Don't worry about him.

 

His opinions liven up this forum and if writing on here gives him comfort then it is a win win situation!!

[INFLUENCED.COM]

It is easy to pick a poster apart for having a view which conflicts with those held by the majority, 19 does have a point with regard what MLT 'could' of done and their are others who are of the same opinion but for me I appreciate and enjoyed what he DID do. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is for him to regret, clearly he does not and was happy to stay with us achieving his deserved legend status.

Bally played to his and in turn our strengths which were wholly justified, call it unambitious, call it loyalty, give it any word you like, his 'attitude' along with his own unique application kept us in top flight football and for that, in addition to being able to watch some of the greatest goals ever scored, I remain grateful.

 

Pinnacle Shminacle its history, we are where we are and believe we now have the right people owning the club with the necessary financial resources to turn us around its just that it aint gonna happen in 5 minutes, 5 years was the original plan so, as hard as it is right now, will remain patient.

[Nineteen Canteen]

It is easy to pick a poster apart for having a view which conflicts with those held by the majority, 19 does have a point with regard what MLT 'could' of done and their are others who are of the same opinion but for me I appreciate and enjoyed what he DID do. Shoulda, woulda, coulda is for him to regret, clearly he does not and was happy to stay with us achieving his deserved legend status.

Bally played to his and in turn our strengths which were wholly justified, call it unambitious, call it loyalty, give it any word you like, his 'attitude' along with his own unique application kept us in top flight football and for that, in addition to being able to watch some of the greatest goals ever scored, I remain grateful.

 

Pinnacle Shminacle its history, we are where we are and believe we now have the right people owning the club with the necessary financial resources to turn us around its just that it aint gonna happen in 5 minutes, 5 years was the original plan so, as hard as it is right now, will remain patient.

 

Thanks Influenced as always the voice of reason. For the record I have repeatedly said I had alot of pleasure from watching some of MLT's finest moments but have also always found it difficult to defend him against his critics and it appears so does the likes of Tame, Hypo, Scally and the rest. we all live our lives by different codes and I for one being blessed with little god given talent, sporting, artistic or otherwise have never understood how those touched with greatest can afford to be so wasteful with it. I guess that is why we have so many industrious players and so many talented players that fall by the way side in the academies and early on in their careers. They think they are good enough and can rely on talent alone and it was telling MLT believed he wouldn't survive in an era that he spoke about as if he played during Channon's height when the game was very different.

 

Personally, it's players today with the talent and attitude of MLT that we see a rise of the African nations in a lot of sports but especially football and athletics. They despite their talent have a drive and focus not tainted by the trappings the average young sportsman in this country has and perhaps when you have to run 7 miles a day to get your drinking water a Plasma TV. PS3 and a hot hatch are not that important and don't help your fitness or focus.

 

As sporting heroes go then MLT doesn't really cut it even as a dedicated Saints fan whereas Channon having the drive and determinaton to reach the pinnacle of two diverse sports, is IMO.

 

MLT's approach and view of the world doesn't seem to have changed and I listened yesterday flicking through the paper I came across a quote from a genuine sporting legend Muhammad Ali that I suppose sums up why MLT will never quite cut it as a great:

 

'A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted thirty years of his life'

 

I realise MLT has a way to go to 50 but I don't see that laid back attitide changing and the one that allowed others to easily criticise his contribution to the sport he loves, seemingly carried it on into his efforts to save our club. For all our support IMO MLT ultimately did Take Le Tiss but not as he intended.

[Weston Saint]

So he DOES still live in ringwood and not hedge end..

Just finished listening to the download

 

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/fivelive/mayo/mayo_20090825-1617b.mp3

Actually he has just moved from near West End to North Baddsley. I spoke to his son a couple of weeks ago on that very subject.

[cadiz saint]

The world would be a lot better place if we were all as laid back.

[Nineteen Canteen]

The world would be a lot better place if we were all as laid back.

 

Not really, ever been to Jamaica or Cuba or Dominican Republic to name but a few.

[cadiz saint]

Not really, ever been to Jamaica or Cuba or Dominican Republic to name but a few.

 

Several times and they're great!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

:confused:

He has confessed to having a mental problem. Don't worry about him.

 

His opinions liven up this forum and if writing on here gives him comfort then it is a win win situation!!

 

Indeed .

 

I for one am eternally grateful this member has single handedly eradicated the Great Saintsweb diatribe shortage , were it not for his selfless efforts some of us may still have been labouring under the misapprehension that MLT still held the best interests of SFC close to his heart or even (perish the thought) that his past services to the club may have been of some value .

 

To change the subject completely , isn't here's something suspicious about people on here who seldom (if ever) post opinions regarding football matches or the current team situation etc but instead seem to concentrate on expressing views on off the field matters that are seemingly constantly at odds (if not diametrically opposed to) the express opinion of virtually everybody else ? - Some might say this type from a psychological viewpoint probably gain some kind of perverse pleasure from provoking indignation and outrage among their less mendacious fellows - but only if one were to fall into the trap of taking them at all seriously that is .

 

I recommend a course of Internet withdrawal treatment concurrent with intensive therapy at a suitable qualified psychiatric institution (such as the world renowned 'WUM Clinic' Geneva) , but even then the prognosis is bleak I fear .

[View From The Top]

Just put the bi-polar troll on ignore and if everyone else would stop quoting him life would be so much better.

 

The mentally ill shouldn't really be given access to the internet.

[Wes Tender]

:confused:

 

Indeed .

 

I for one am eternally grateful this member has single handedly eradicated the Great Saintsweb diatribe shortage , were it not for his selfless efforts some of us may still have been labouring under the misapprehension that MLT still held the best interests of SFC close to his heart or even (perish the thought) that his past services to the club may have been of some value .

 

To change the subject completely , isn't here's something suspicious about people on here who seldom (if ever) post opinions regarding football matches or the current team situation etc but instead seem to concentrate on expressing views on off the field matters that are seemingly constantly at odds (if not diametrically opposed to) the express opinion of virtually everybody else ? - Some might say this type from a psychological viewpoint probably gain some kind of perverse pleasure from provoking indignation and outrage among their less mendacious fellows - but only if one were to fall into the trap of taking them at all seriously that is .

 

I recommend a course of Internet withdrawal treatment concurrent with intensive therapy at a suitable qualified psychiatric institution (such as the world renowned 'WUM Clinic' Geneva) , but even then the prognosis is bleak I fear .

 

I think that you have provided a pretty good definition of what constitutes an internet troll.

 

Were you thinking of anybody in particular who might qualify?

[um pahars]

Just put the bi-polar troll

 

Bi-polar???????

 

Given the number of user names the Mods have let him use on here, he's more like Octo-Polar:D:D

 

PS Ponty and co don't reckon he's a troll, so you're not allowed to say that, but I think it is safe to say he's a loon;)

[Nineteen Canteen]

Lots of abuse but not one attempt to argue my opinions just sad attempts by the insular cliques to try and bully a fan from their little 'do you want to me in my gang' thread, which for some is a kind of appropriate title.

 

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

 

All those lies and abuse for posting a view and as yet I have not hit the red triangle even though your collective diagnosis are all wrong and damaging to me personally. No doubt a few windbags and upstanding individuals will not follow my example and continue their vendetta to get this nasty little man removed from 'their' site so they can carry on massaging eachother's collective ego's unsullied by an alternative opinion.

[Foxstone]

Lots of abuse but not one attempt to argue my opinions just sad attempts by the insular cliques to try and bully a fan from their little 'do you want to me in my gang' thread, which for some is a kind of appropriate title.

 

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

 

All those lies and abuse for posting a view and as yet I have not hit the red triangle even though your collective diagnosis are all wrong and damaging to me personally. No doubt a few windbags and upstanding individuals will not follow my example and continue their vendetta to get this nasty little man removed from 'their' site so they can carry on massaging eachother's collective ego's unsullied by an alternative opinion.

 

 

 

Rotund ? - Well so was Maradona

Lazy at times? - Well so were Hoddle and Zidane.

 

Naturally gifted players with the ability to create for their team mates and produce moments of genius, do not have to run around like out of control boxer dogs to justify their worth.

They are the conductors of the orchestra!

 

And MLT was our own Zubin Mehta !

[Nineteen Canteen]

Rotund ? - Well so was Maradona

Lazy at times? - Well so were Hoddle and Zidane.

 

Naturally gifted players with the ability to create for their team mates and produce moments of genius, do not have to run around like out of control boxer dogs to justify their worth.

They are the conductors of the orchestra!

 

And MLT was our own Zubin Mehta !

 

All true but MLT could not be held in the same class as the likes of Zidane and Maradona which in tennis terms is a bit like comparing Seles and Navratilova to MLT's Lindsey Davenport.

[Foxstone]

All true but MLT could not be held in the same class as the likes of Zidane and Maradona which in tennis terms is a bit like comparing Seles and Navratilova to MLT's Lindsey Davenport.

 

All champions though !

 

Its all relative - MLT might not have been world class in the same breath as Zidane and Maradona but he was certainly Prem class, and he was our Prem Class orchestrator and one of the finest Brit creators the Prem league has ever seen !

[John D]

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

 

Disagree on this one completely. I spent most of my time during MLT career in Manchester surrounded by non-saints fans. MLT was Mr Southampton and put us on the map - first comment from most after hearing I was a Saints fan would be to comment on what a great player MLT was and how come a player of his ability didn't get selected for England.

 

Given how rubbish Saints were at the time under Branfoot he was the quality that made you proud to be a Saints fan and the only that made other fans jealous.

Edited 26 August, 2009 by John D
typo

[Thedelldays]

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

 

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sorry but that is twaddle..

 

i have lived away from southampton for many years and can tell you from my own experiences that you have just made that up

[Under Weststand]

Thanks for those wonderful insightful post's 19C. Completely changed my opinion of MLT.

What a complete waster he was Those crappy goals he scored for us, those horrible moments when he produced those awful moments of aledged magic that kept us in the premier League for numerous years. God how I wish he'd gone to Spurs & we'd have got relegated straight away.Also we wouldn't have to keep suffering these horrible re-occurring nightmares (memories) of such an awful awful lazy good for nothing player.

I for 1 can acknowledge as can Matt himself, that he had certain deficiencies in his game, but that is what makes up his character & persona, he is & always will be laid back & you have to accept that in some people & just have to take what they can offer & extract that extra bit of genius that Matt had & integrate it into a team environment, which IMHO was maximised to our & Southampton F.C's benefit.

I don't see anyone who played with him complaining about his lack of work ethic, nay most laugh & say we'd do his running for him, just give the ball & let him do his magic.

Try & pull him to bits if you must about Pinnacle, but to slag him off for the way he played for us. Another roly eyed thingy

[miserableoldgit]

Lots of abuse but not one attempt to argue my opinions just sad attempts by the insular cliques to try and bully a fan from their little 'do you want to me in my gang' thread, which for some is a kind of appropriate title.

 

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

 

All those lies and abuse for posting a view and as yet I have not hit the red triangle even though your collective diagnosis are all wrong and damaging to me personally. No doubt a few windbags and upstanding individuals will not follow my example and continue their vendetta to get this nasty little man removed from 'their' site so they can carry on massaging eachother's collective ego's unsullied by an alternative opinion.

When "opinions" are posted purely to elicit a reaction, they are not worth arguing with because that is exactly what you want. This why 99% of people on her dislike you. With you it is not about debate for debates sake it is about being antagonistic and having a feeling of smug superiority. If that`s what "floats your boat" then that`s fine but don`t squinney when the nasty people aren`t nice to you.

As far as your views on MLT are concerned, I suspect that most, if not all Saints fans knew that he was "lazy", "lacked ambition" and "could have bettered himself", but, do you know what -THEY DON`T CARE about that! They recognised him for the supreme natural skill that he displayed, his loyalty and his down-to-earth quality that made him one of them, not some distant obscenely rich superstar. NOTHING - not even your continual wind-uppery will change that no matter how hard you try, but if it makes you happy..... go for it.

[Under Weststand]

Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just?

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Dont dispute that statement taken in total isolation, but living In Stockport for 20-years most if not all Man Ure, & City fans of our era if & when his name come's up,(we've all just been reading Jeff stellings Book) may say that as an opening gambit but clarify it with BUT WHAT A FABULOUS PLAYER & how the hell did you manage to keep him, then go on to discuss this goal & that goal he scored & also argue that he should have more England caps. So just try putting said statement into some context Please.

[Wes Tender]

What a crying shame that we never had Pele playing for us (the real one) or the real Best. Neither did we have Socrates (the footballer), Eusebio, or Cruyff senior.

 

They were never ever going to play for us. What is certain though, is that in his prime, MLT was capable of walking in to any team at the top of the game in this country and also probably any team in Europe and would have been eminently capable of scoring goals at the highest level, had he done so.

 

No player in the history of World football is perfect in every way. We acknowledge that MLT was disinclined towards total fitness and his loyalty to this club overshadowed his ambition to earn mega-bucks elsewhere. So if anybody here argues that that is a fault in MLT's make-up, then equally it can obviously be counter argued that we ought not to be loyal to our own club and should be supporting the glory clubs of the country or the World and that if we don't we also lack ambition.

 

I'm content that regardless of one or two factors that made MLT short of perfect, accepting that nobody is perfect anyway, he had attributes of footballing genius sometimes that other able footballers could only dream about.

 

When MLT comes to be mentioned anywhere in the media, or makes an appearance in front of Southampton fans, all but a tiny minority remember fondly what he did for our club. When some of that number also have to disparage others whose reputation is high amongst the fan base, one has to question their motives and consider that they are trolls on a wind-up.

 

There is one such individual who has a go at MLT, McMenemy, Pearson and Crouch, all people who are generally considered to have contributed something worthy and positive to the club. For some unfathomable reason, he never seems to spend an equal amount of time spouting bile at Lowe, who did more damage to us than any other person in the history of the club.

 

How about explaining that one to us, Nineteen if you wish to be taken seriously? And don't tell us that Lowe is gone and is history. Exactly the same can be said of all of your targets for spite, but that has never stopped you giving your opinion against them, has it?

[Nineteen Canteen]

When "opinions" are posted purely to elicit a reaction, they are not worth arguing with because that is exactly what you want..

 

Classic response - all in your opinion of course

[miserableoldgit]

Classic response - all in your opinion of course

No. For once I am going to put FACT! Nice selective editing and lack of response to my post and others BTW.

[Nineteen Canteen]

What a crying shame that we never had Pele playing for us (the real one) or the real Best. Neither did we have Socrates (the footballer), Eusebio, or Cruyff senior.

 

They were never ever going to play for us. What is certain though, is that in his prime, MLT was capable of walking in to any team at the top of the game in this country and also probably any team in Europe and would have been eminently capable of scoring goals at the highest level, had he done so.

 

No player in the history of World football is perfect in every way. We acknowledge that MLT was disinclined towards total fitness and his loyalty to this club overshadowed his ambition to earn mega-bucks elsewhere. So if anybody here argues that that is a fault in MLT's make-up, then equally it can obviously be counter argued that we ought not to be loyal to our own club and should be supporting the glory clubs of the country or the World and that if we don't we also lack ambition.

 

I'm content that regardless of one or two factors that made MLT short of perfect, accepting that nobody is perfect anyway, he had attributes of footballing genius sometimes that other able footballers could only dream about.

 

When MLT comes to be mentioned anywhere in the media, or makes an appearance in front of Southampton fans, all but a tiny minority remember fondly what he did for our club. When some of that number also have to disparage others whose reputation is high amongst the fan base, one has to question their motives and consider that they are trolls on a wind-up.

 

There is one such individual who has a go at MLT, McMenemy, Pearson and Crouch, all people who are generally considered to have contributed something worthy and positive to the club. For some unfathomable reason, he never seems to spend an equal amount of time spouting bile at Lowe, who did more damage to us than any other person in the history of the club.

 

How about explaining that one to us, Nineteen if you wish to be taken seriously? And don't tell us that Lowe is gone and is history. Exactly the same can be said of all of your targets for spite, but that has never stopped you giving your opinion against them, has it?

 

I agree Wes and therefore as a hero IMO he is somewhat flawed a wasted talent even though to prove it, it would have been at our expense. A bit like a top class athlete refusing to travel to a distant Olympics to prove his ability because it's to far from home.

 

I have never underplayed MLT's contribtion or ability just doubt his suitability as our No 1 player and a football legend given the title of his book and interviews yesterday my opinion hadn't changed.

 

I wouldn't have minded him leaving to prove he was world class because he would still have been a great player for us and probably the greatest. No different than the way we champion Channon, Ball or Keegan and others.

 

Finally, you will note I have never asked questions or challenged the status of Ted Bates which you seem to overlook when you mention the likes of Crouch and McMenemy. Comes down to respect and a hero has to be one you feel has given their all.

[Nineteen Canteen]

No. For once I am going to put FACT! Nice selective editing and lack of response to my post and others BTW.

 

Get use to it I have to. Anyway I have somewhat more to respond to and prefer those that don't make assumptions about me personally so they get disregarded.

 

I post not to wind people up but to share my personal views on the subject and see no value in merely posting to say +1. FACT, I know my reasons you don't, FACT.

[Nineteen Canteen]

:confused:

 

Indeed .

 

I for one am eternally grateful this member has single handedly eradicated the Great Saintsweb diatribe shortage , were it not for his selfless efforts some of us may still have been labouring under the misapprehension that MLT still held the best interests of SFC close to his heart or even (perish the thought) that his past services to the club may have been of some value .

 

To change the subject completely , isn't here's something suspicious about people on here who seldom (if ever) post opinions regarding football matches or the current team situation etc but instead seem to concentrate on expressing views on off the field matters that are seemingly constantly at odds (if not diametrically opposed to) the express opinion of virtually everybody else ? - Some might say this type from a psychological viewpoint probably gain some kind of perverse pleasure from provoking indignation and outrage among their less mendacious fellows - but only if one were to fall into the trap of taking them at all seriously that is .

 

I recommend a course of Internet withdrawal treatment concurrent with intensive therapy at a suitable qualified psychiatric institution (such as the world renowned 'WUM Clinic' Geneva) , but even then the prognosis is bleak I fear .

 

Laughable, take a look at my post history, I have only started posting about football issues because the season has only just started and the close season was dominated by ....off the field issues, correct, well done. Funny that and once again deluded and misrepresenting me to suit your own twisted agenda to try and ridicule my posts because of suggested mental issues when you seem to have a 'block' yourself. You need help.

[miserableoldgit]

Get use to it I have to. Anyway I have somewhat more to respond to and prefer those that don't make assumptions about me personally so they get disregarded.

 

I post not to wind people up but to share my personal views on the subject and see no value in merely posting to say +1. FACT, I know my reasons you don't, FACT.

So it`s just coincidence that your views are 99% of the time diametrically opposed to everyone elses? Or is it because you are a great visionary who sees things that the rest of us can`t?

[Nineteen Canteen]

So it`s just coincidence that your views are 99% of the time diametrically opposed to everyone elses? Or is it because you are a great visionary who sees things that the rest of us can`t?

 

No just honest and not frightened to say what I really think.