Trouble after the game

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

A forum poster gets called a **** and is told he is worse than his clubs biggest rivals because he votes Tory.

 

That has really got to you hasn't it? For your info it wasn't me who said it, i just agreed. I'm sorry but i really don't like the Tory Party and what it stands for, can you give me reasons for your membership of the said party apart from ' i don't like Gordon Brown'

 

Yes, it has got to me, mainly because that's not a reason to dislike someone. If you can dislike someone for such an asanine reason then that is why there is so much prejudice, racism and facism in this country. And it's ironice that it comes from someone who I assume is dead against all 3 (although with the racism etc that is prevalent in Spains society maybe that explains why you're there).

 

Been a member for 7 years now, so yes it is more of a reason than disliking Gordon Brown. The reason is because my whole family vote Tory, I was brought up well under that and their values and I will be better off under a Tory government.

[OldNick]

So your saying that because i haven't retired and that i hold a Socialist viewpoint that i have no right to broaden my horizons, live in another country, learn another language and other cultures. I work here so therefore pay taxes here, i have never heard so much ******** in my life. Get a grip mush

You are spouting how bad the tories are(im not impressed with them myself at present)but have cleared off to leave others to clear up the mess that your socialist friends have put us in.It was only afew days after 'that great day in 1997' that Blair and co took the regulation away from the bank of England to regulate the financial system.That in turn left them to do wahtever they liked to overlend and take risks that we all are paying for here now. The bankers are still leftscott free after all this and the goverment who also have spent on the back of those revenues that have now blown up in our faces.The bankers and government were hand in hand together in this, not a Tory government but a labour government who allowed this to happen. We are now printing money, yes it has got us of a hole shortterm but within 3 years you will see rising inflation and then the pain will really set in IMO. Just wait until December when the VAT is increased up to 19% ( I think that is when it is due to go back up and beyond the old figure) see the businesses and population hurting then.

This government inherited a golden economy and Mr Teflon Blair could not believe his luck , but as in all these things if you spend you have to pay back.Sadly the prudent will feel the pain as much as the fools who spent and got us in this state.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Yes, it has got to me, mainly because that's not a reason to dislike someone. If you can dislike someone for such an asanine reason then that is why there is so much prejudice, racism and facism in this country. And it's ironice that it comes from someone who I assume is dead against all 3 (although with the racism etc that is prevalent in Spains society maybe that explains why you're there).

 

Been a member for 7 years now, so yes it is more of a reason than disliking Gordon Brown. The reason is because my whole family vote Tory, I was brought up well under that and their values and I will be better off under a Tory government.

 

Where do you get off on calling me a racist? I am probably the least racist person you´ll meet.

At least you´re honest saying ´I will be better off under a Tory government´, if i lived there i probably would be as well but i have this strange thing called a social conscience. I think that you will find as well that the Conservative party has more than it´s fair share of racists

[Fuengirola Saint]

You are spouting how bad the tories are(im not impressed with them myself at present)but have cleared off to leave others to clear up the mess that your socialist friends have put us in.It was only afew days after 'that great day in 1997' that Blair and co took the regulation away from the bank of England to regulate the financial system.That in turn left them to do wahtever they liked to overlend and take risks that we all are paying for here now. The bankers are still leftscott free after all this and the goverment who also have spent on the back of those revenues that have now blown up in our faces.The bankers and government were hand in hand together in this, not a Tory government but a labour government who allowed this to happen. We are now printing money, yes it has got us of a hole shortterm but within 3 years you will see rising inflation and then the pain will really set in IMO. Just wait until December when the VAT is increased up to 19% ( I think that is when it is due to go back up and beyond the old figure) see the businesses and population hurting then.

This government inherited a golden economy and Mr Teflon Blair could not believe his luck , but as in all these things if you spend you have to pay back.Sadly the prudent will feel the pain as much as the fools who spent and got us in this state.

 

Can you please stop calling New Labour Socialist, they are not and never have been.

1, What would you have done to ease the crisis? Sat on your hands

2, I agree the bankers have got off scott free and i would like to see them punished

3, You still have this problem with me living here in Spain, i can live where i like and have an opinion on what i want

4, For the last time i do not support New Labour they are too right wing and like your bunch of incompetant fools for my liking.

[Thedelldays]

Can you please stop calling New Labour Socialist, they are not and never have been.

1, What would you have done to ease the crisis? Sat on your hands

2, I agree the bankers have got off scott free and i would like to see them punished

3, You still have this problem with me living here in Spain, i can live where i like and have an opinion on what i want

4, For the last time i do not support New Labour they are too right wing and like your bunch of incompetant fools for my liking.

yes you can..

 

but i guess you fail to see how utterly hypocritical you are..

saying that the torys are with creating their self important society..yet you practice just that by buggering off and looking after number one..

[Wes Tender]

I think you will find mush, that unemployment in May 1979 was around 1.2 million and falling. The Labour isn't working campaign was just part of a slick advertising campaign by the marketing guru's Saatchi & Saatchi. When did i draw parallels with which way someone votes and which football club they will therefore support, i think that was your fellow Tory DP Saint.remember May,79 1.2 million- May 82 3.25 million unemployed

 

So you don't have an answer to why those 1.2 million unemployed would not be enticed into the benefits culture under Labour and yet they would be under the Conservatives, mush. And if you believe the unemployment figures that have been put out historically under Labour governments you must be bloody naive, as the methods of collating the figures have been massively massaged to reduce them, by taking all sorts of scivers and malingerers out of the system and placed into different categories.

 

And then changes were made to the electoral system so that in a seat like Eastleigh where I live, it takes a majority of 65000 odd voters to elect their MP, whereas in some cities in the Labour heartland it takes only half as many electors. Then we have the situation whereby Scotland and Wales have their own governments which Westminster does not have any say in with most policy areas, whereas both Scotland and Wales are allowed to have a say in how England is governed. In Blair's cabinets, many of the ministers were Scottish, as is our own dear Prime Minister, currently.

 

So you hate the Conservatives and I hate Labour and the Lib Dems with a vengeance. I well remember the political landscape back to Wilson's time. What a disaster that was, inflation up to 25% under Dennis Healey and having to go cap in hand to the International Monetary Fund to bail us out from bankruptcy.

 

Still, you're well out of it in Spain as an exile from the Labour government you profess to love. I'm presuming that you weren't out there in General Franco's time.

[Fuengirola Saint]

yes you can..

 

but i guess you fail to see how utterly hypocritical you are..

saying that the torys are with creating their self important society..yet you practice just that by buggering off and looking after number one..

 

I´m sorry but no i can´t see the hypocrisy, i have the same problem with the Partido popular here in Spain, i just hate Tories, Sorry

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Where do you get off on calling me a racist? I am probably the least racist person you´ll meet.

At least you´re honest saying ´I will be better off under a Tory government´, if i lived there i probably would be as well but i have this strange thing called a social conscience. I think that you will find as well that the Conservative party has more than it´s fair share of racists

 

I only speculated it, you're the one with the unreasonable and frankly ridiculous views on disliking people because of their political allegiance. I would have thought that if you could hate someone due to that then...but perhaps I'm wrong.

Edited 25 August, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[krissyboy31]

Why hasn't this thread been moved to the lounge or even TMS?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I´m sorry but no i can´t see the hypocrisy, i have the same problem with the Partido popular here in Spain, i just hate Tories, Sorry

 

Mate, you've just got problems.

[Wes Tender]

I only speculated it, you're the one with the unreasonable and frankly ridiculous views on disliking people because of their political allegiance. I would have thought that if you could hate someone due to that then...but perhaps I'm wrong.

 

Agreed. It's not as if we're talking the National Front, Maoists, Trotskyites, Monster Raving Looney party. We're discussing mainstream British politics for crissakes. So let's assume that our Spanish friend (mush) meets somebody socially, he likes them and then finds out that they're a Conservative. I'm assuming that true to his current position, he'd immediately switch to detesting them.

[OldNick]

Agreed. It's not as if we're talking the National Front, Maoists, Trotskyites, Monster Raving Looney party. We're discussing mainstream British politics for crissakes. So let's assume that our Spanish friend (mush) meets somebody socially, he likes them and then finds out that they're a Conservative. I'm assuming that true to his current position, he'd immediately switch to detesting them.

 

I still think the irony of moving away to a country that was until recently ruled by a fascist dictator quite amusing.of course it was to learn the culture and language nothing to do with the sun and a better life than a normal working person could have. One for all all for......myself lol

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Agreed. It's not as if we're talking the National Front, Maoists, Trotskyites, Monster Raving Looney party. We're discussing mainstream British politics for crissakes. So let's assume that our Spanish friend (mush) meets somebody socially, he likes them and then finds out that they're a Conservative. I'm assuming that true to his current position, he'd immediately switch to detesting them.

 

Exactly. And why then move to one of the most self important nations in the world, where racism is common and the top tax brackets only pay 23%. Not exactly a haven of looking after the common man, is it?

 

To be honest I think he's just here on a wind up, and to be fair it's working. I can't believe I'm falling into this trap again.

[Fuengirola Saint]

So you don't have an answer to why those 1.2 million unemployed would not be enticed into the benefits culture under Labour and yet they would be under the Conservatives, mush. And if you believe the unemployment figures that have been put out historically under Labour governments you must be bloody naive, as the methods of collating the figures have been massively massaged to reduce them, by taking all sorts of scivers and malingerers out of the system and placed into different categories.

 

And then changes were made to the electoral system so that in a seat like Eastleigh where I live, it takes a majority of 65000 odd voters to elect their MP, whereas in some cities in the Labour heartland it takes only half as many electors. Then we have the situation whereby Scotland and Wales have their own governments which Westminster does not have any say in with most policy areas, whereas both Scotland and Wales are allowed to have a say in how England is governed. In Blair's cabinets, many of the ministers were Scottish, as is our own dear Prime Minister, currently.

 

So you hate the Conservatives and I hate Labour and the Lib Dems with a vengeance. I well remember the political landscape back to Wilson's time. What a disaster that was, inflation up to 25% under Dennis Healey and having to go cap in hand to the International Monetary Fund to bail us out from bankruptcy.

 

Still, you're well out of it in Spain as an exile from the Labour government you profess to love. I'm presuming that you weren't out there in General Franco's time.

 

I think you´ll find Mush, the massaging of the jobless figures didn´t start until after 1979, Yes inflation did reach 26 per cent in the summer of 1975 but it was down to 8.9 per cent by 1979 and rose again under Thatcher to over 20 per cent in 1980, so what is your point.

Healy did go to the IMF but only because of poor treasury forecasting of the public sector borrowing requirement. The IMF loan wasn´t needed in the event and payed off quickly.

When have i said i love the Labour government? I wish you lot would read more carefully.

General Franco was a right wing Fascist, closer to your politics than mine, so i don´t know why you put that in.. I am a member of the Izquierda Unida a grouping of Spanish Left wing parties

 

Why did you make that up about the numbers in a constituency? The average is about 60 to 65000. they are all much the same except for a few rural exceptions

[OldNick]

Healy did go to the IMF but only because of poor treasury forecasting of the public sector borrowing requirement. The IMF loan wasn´t needed in the event and payed off quickly.

Lol now I know you are on a wind up.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I like boys bums.

 

No way!!! Controversial!

[Wes Tender]

I still think the irony of moving away to a country that was until recently ruled by a fascist dictator quite amusing.of course it was to learn the culture and language nothing to do with the sun and a better life than a normal working person could have. One for all all for......myself lol

 

Unfortunately, the bubble has burst over there. Unless somebody bought their property over there some years ago, prices had risen to levels commensurate to our own in many areas. Many have decided to sell because they don't like it there after all and the property market has collapsed, meaning that most can't afford to get back on the property ladder over here. And if they hated the Conservative governments over here, they now find that the Spanish government is capable of dispossessing them of their properties on a whim under factors that the foreign property owners have no control over. The local planning departments have powers over there that your average British Socialist commissar in local government over here could only dream about.

[Fuengirola Saint]

I still think the irony of moving away to a country that was until recently ruled by a fascist dictator quite amusing.of course it was to learn the culture and language nothing to do with the sun and a better life than a normal working person could have. One for all all for......myself lol

 

Yeah i like the sun, the food and lots of other things about Spain, there are also things i don´t like. What has the Franco dictatorship have to do with anything? That ended 35 years ago. Me thinks you´re clutching at straws.

[Fuengirola Saint]

Unfortunately, the bubble has burst over there. Unless somebody bought their property over there some years ago, prices had risen to levels commensurate to our own in many areas. Many have decided to sell because they don't like it there after all and the property market has collapsed, meaning that most can't afford to get back on the property ladder over here. And if they hated the Conservative governments over here, they now find that the Spanish government is capable of dispossessing them of their properties on a whim under factors that the foreign property owners have no control over. The local planning departments have powers over there that your average British Socialist commissar in local government over here could only dream about.

 

Good,i´m glad the bubble has burst,it will make housing more affordable

[Fuengirola Saint]

No way!!! Controversial!

 

I think somebody has got into my account, give em their due funny

[Draino76]

To summarise;

 

Football is a simple game that attracts the scum of society hence the odd bit of trouble.

 

If you advocate maintaining handouts for these scum, keep voting Labour.

Edited 25 August, 2009 by Draino76

[Fuengirola Saint]

To summarise;

 

Football is a simple game that attracts the scum of society hence the odd bit of trouble.

 

If you advocate maintaing handouts for these scum, keep voting Labour.

 

Not another Tory numptie, i can´t keep up with 4 or 5 of you i will open another thread in the lounge

[Wes Tender]

I think you´ll find Mush, the massaging of the jobless figures didn´t start until after 1979, Yes inflation did reach 26 per cent in the summer of 1975 but it was down to 8.9 per cent by 1979 and rose again under Thatcher to over 20 per cent in 1980, so what is your point.

Healy did go to the IMF but only because of poor treasury forecasting of the public sector borrowing requirement. The IMF loan wasn´t needed in the event and payed off quickly.

When have i said i love the Labour government? I wish you lot would read more carefully.

General Franco was a right wing Fascist, closer to your politics than mine, so i don´t know why you put that in.. I am a member of the Izquierda Unida a grouping of Spanish Left wing parties

 

Why did you make that up about the numbers in a constituency? The average is about 60 to 65000. they are all much the same except for a few rural exceptions

 

No it didn't. The bank rate went up for a short while at the time that Sterling was tracking the Euro, but that was not inflation. Many speculators like George Soros made a quick buck speculating on it, but it was short lived. Show me the official government figures showing inflation at 20% under the Conservatives in 1980.

 

You ought to do some research about the constituency polling numbers, as you obviously haven't got a clue. Look at any major city in the North. Also, I see you don't defend the West Lothian question.

[Thedelldays]

one bit of good news..

 

The Torys promise (at some point) to have a vote on reversing the Fox hunting ban as it is..

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Someone has got into my account and has started a mass argument that makes me sound like a hypocritical nob jockey. All I wanted to do was come on here and express my liking of boys bums

 

I knew it was a wind up. Welcome to the real Fuengirola Saint!

[Draino76]

Not another Tory numptie, i can´t keep up with 4 or 5 of you i will open another thread in the lounge

 

I bet you have taken exessive benefits or are tax dodging right now. Shameless.

[Fuengirola Saint]

No it didn't. The bank rate went up for a short while at the time that Sterling was tracking the Euro, but that was not inflation. Many speculators like George Soros made a quick buck speculating on it, but it was short lived. Show me the official government figures showing inflation at 20% under the Conservatives in 1980.

 

You ought to do some research about the constituency polling numbers, as you obviously haven't got a clue. Look at any major city in the North. Also, I see you don't defend the West Lothian question.

 

Inflation did reach 20% in 1980 after a conservative budget that raised VAT from 8 per cent to 15%,

I have looked mush and you´ll have to guide me on this one because i cannot find any constituencies in major cities up north with electorates of less than 60,000,

As for the West lothian question you could have a point, the answer is an English assembly maybe?

[Fuengirola Saint]

I bet you have taken exessive benefits or are tax dodging right now. Shameless.

 

You obviously haven´t read my post and are just an obnoxious knob,don´t respond to any of my posts

[Fuengirola Saint]

I knew it was a wind up. Welcome to the real Fuengirola Saint!

 

well done, nice way of admitting defeat in a discussion

[Draino76]

You obviously haven´t read my post and are just an obnoxious knob,don´t respond to any of my posts

 

Well don't reply to mine you clueless old ****.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

well done, nice way of admitting defeat in a discussion

 

I'm still waiting for a response in reference to mine and Wes's musings from earlier, so I thought I'd take the time to do something funny.

[Fuengirola Saint]

I'm still waiting for a response in reference to mine and Wes's musings from earlier, so I thought I'd take the time to do something funny.

 

What musings? List them and i´ll answer them,simple

[Fuengirola Saint]

Well don't reply to mine you clueless old ****.

 

just die ****

[Draino76]

just die ****

 

PMSL. You should go on question time. Labour need keen debaters like yourself.

[View From The Top]

“No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”

 

Aneurin Bevan.

 

Exchange vermin for skates and it sums my feelings about them perfectly.

 

Thick, myopic, me-me-me, racist, neo-fascist scum each and every supporter.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

What musings? List them and i´ll answer them,simple

 

About whether or not you'd ditch a previous friend cos he's a tory. And why you moved to Spain when their tax breaks etc go against your morals.

 

Just sounds a bizarre decision. And don't say due to the weather and culture, as Zimbabwe has both.

[OldNick]

“No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”

 

Aneurin Bevan.

 

Exchange vermin for skates and it sums my feelings about them perfectly.

 

Thick, myopic, me-me-me, racist, neo-fascist scum each and every supporter.

 

It's funny I would never say the same about a red. Just shows how small minded they are.

The biggest murderer of the 20th century was stalin perhaps we can see why

[Fuengirola Saint]

About whether or not you'd ditch a previous friend cos he's a tory. And why you moved to Spain when their tax breaks etc go against your morals.

 

Just sounds a bizarre decision. And don't say due to the weather and culture, as Zimbabwe has both.

 

In all seriousness i do have Tory friends( not many) but we choose not to talk about politics especially when drunk, i moved here because it has a very interesting football scene, i had always found the people ok on holidays previously, always had an interest in the language and many other things. As i said there are things i don't like e.g bullfighting but then again 90% of the Spaniards i meet don't like it either, their tax system is up to them but i vote for the party that would raise substantially taxes on the ricg.

[Thedelldays]

It's funny I would never say the same about a red. Just shows how small minded they are.

The biggest murderer of the 20th century was stalin perhaps we can see why

Tony the 'Red' helped to kill hundreds of thousands in the Middle east..

 

what a caring guy

[Fuengirola Saint]

Tony the 'Red' helped to kill hundreds of thousands in the Middle east..

 

what a caring guy

 

Sorry to shout but TONY WAS NOT A RED!

[Thedelldays]

Sorry to shout but TONY WAS NOT A RED!

but brought you your "great day in 1997"...as you put it...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

“No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party . . . So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.”

 

Aneurin Bevan.

 

Exchange vermin for skates and it sums my feelings about them perfectly.

 

Thick, myopic, me-me-me, racist, neo-fascist scum each and every supporter.

 

You Tory haters are sounding more and more ridiculous with your overly zealous views on 40% of this countries population. Why don't you calm down and take a walk, go collect your Giro, have a fag, hit your pregnant 9 year old daughter and get back to watching Jeremy Kyle on the Sky box and your 40 inch tv that we paid for out of our hard earned taxes.

[Fuengirola Saint]

but brought you your "great day in 1997"...as you put it...[/quote

 

 

 

Yeah so i thought! But it was nice to see the Tories who thought they had a devine right to rule kicked out.

[Um Bongo]

Who cares about politics?

 

You've managed to take a thread about some 'trouble' after the game into a conversation no-one over 40 cares about.

[Fuengirola Saint]

You Tory haters are sounding more and more ridiculous with your overly zealous views on 40% of this countries population. Why don't you calm down and take a walk, go collect your Giro, have a fag, hit your pregnant 9 year old daughter and get back to watching Jeremy Kyle on the Sky box and your 40 inch tv that we paid for out of our hard earned taxes.

 

 

You come out with a statement like that and then wonder why you are so despised, i give up. Me voy

[Thedelldays]

 

 

Yeah so i thought! But it was nice to see the Tories who thought they had a devine right to rule kicked out.

 

you must be happy...

 

when you look at the legacy left by both recent administrations....makes you wonder if those who prefer labour are actually sane..

[Fuengirola Saint]

Who cares about politics?

 

You've managed to take a thread about some 'trouble' after the game into a conversation no-one over 40 cares about.

 

You've probably got a point there, this is my last post, goodbye

[Ponty]

This thread has almost wandered to the Lounge by itself. Would anyone object to it being moved over and properly retitled, or do you think we can get it back to some semblence of Saints related?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You come out with a statement like that and then wonder why you are so despised, i give up. Me voy

 

Again, said tongue in cheek. Jeez. The point is all you and Mr Top are doing is generalising everyone because of there political beliefs, so the above was me just doing the same. Surely that's allowed ( although with the mass hypocrisy from you I assume it isn't)?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

This thread has almost wandered to the Lounge by itself. Would anyone object to it being moved over and properly retitled, or do you think we can get it back to some semblence of Saints related?

 

Sorry, I agree. Here you go, more news about violence: * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219482.stm *

The biggest problem we're facing are the lower class, young, Saints fans. They are giving us such a bad reputation right now, and there needs to be a way of keeping them from buying tickets.****************