Suicide of the MTV generation

[Alain Perrin]

Some people need to get a grip. We didn't become **** over night, and we won't become un-**** overnight either.

 

Calling for Pardew's head or grumbling, makes you no better than Rupert Lowe in his most trigger happy moments.

 

Give Pardew time and he will make Saints competitive again. If you look at what he's done in the first few WEEKS of taking the reigns (signing a solid CM, loaning an uncomplicated CB, sigining a proven scorer), you can see he is building this side.

 

But it won't happen overnight.

 

I was as frustrated as anyone at Swindon. We looked powerless, yet Pardew did nothing - no substitutions, no changes of formation, nothing ( untiil too late). I wondered why, it wasn't because we didn't have options on the bench. I think the reason is that Pardew is still learning about the team, still assessing, finding out how they play.

 

So give it time people. I have faith that Pardew will deliver.

 

(incidentally if you you type open bracket "until", the system thinks you are typing c * * t. When will the censorship end? The moderation of this site is a complete load of ****ing ******** - what a load of ****s.

Edited 23 August, 2009 by Alain Perrin

[Glasgow_Saint]

Man city?

[John B]

Some people need to get a grip. We didn't become **** over night, and we won't become un-**** overnight either.

 

Calling for Pardew's head or grumbling, makes you no better than Rupert Lowe in his most trigger happy moments.

 

Give Pardew time and he will make Saints competitive again. If you look at what he's done in the first few WEEKS of taking the reigns (signing a solid CM, loaning an uncomplicated CB, sigining a proven scorer), you can see he is building this side.

 

But it won't happen overnight.

 

I was as frustrated as anyone at Swindon. We looked powerless, yet Pardew did nothing - no substitutions, no changes of formation, nothing ( untiil too late). I wondered why, it wasn't because we didn't have options on the bench. I think the reason is that Pardew is still learning about the team, still assessing, finding out how they play.

 

So give it time people. I have faith that Pardew will deliver.

 

(incidentally if you you type open bracket "until", the system thinks you are typing c * * t. When will the censorship end? The moderation of this site is a complete load of ****ing ******** - what a load of ****s.

 

I tend to disagree Charlton are doing OK but we seem to be worse than ever

 

 

I was not expecting twelve points after four games but I was expecting better performances

 

 

It is not a given that Pardew will succeed but of course I hope he does

[yellow&blue]

We are a month behind everyone else in our preparation. Yes we were the first club back from pre season but what good did that do?

 

We had no owner, no manager as such, therefore we would not have been in a position to buy any new players, let alone identify them. Whereas everyone else had a head start in planning, preparation, and players.

 

Yes I am disappointed with our results, but it's not going to happen overnight either - just stay positive!!

[Thedelldays]

have i missed something

 

where are these people that are calling for pardews head..?

[John B]

have i missed something

 

where are these people that are calling for pardews head..?

 

I think that if you do not say that Pardew is the greteast manager Saints have ever had you are calling for his head.

 

 

I dont think him and the team have performed well and at the present it is not acceptable.

 

 

But as a fan there is absolutely nothing I can do about the situation but of course Pardew should not go.

 

 

However from what I have heard he is not the best manager we could have employed

Edited 23 August, 2009 by John B

[Thedelldays]

I think that if you do not say that Pardew is the greteast manager Saints have ever had you are calling for his head.

 

 

I dont think him and the team have performed well and at the present it is not acceptable.

 

 

But as a fan there is absolutely nothing I can do about the situation

 

 

when I look at the line ups yesterday..it was shocking that we could not beat brentford...they even played shyyyyt it was beyond belief..

 

dont know if you went, there was a period in the second half when brentford could only just about pass the ball out of play...

 

they were utter shyt.....

 

when you have a team with lambert, davies, harding, hammond, sagga (rasiak on the bench)...well, will leave that one there

 

I would suggest we could have bought their first 11 3 times over (and probably more)...with the cost of our squad in comparison

 

yesterday, gelling or no gelling was awful

 

I see norwich are doing fine already..

 

Im sure it will get better, and I think pardew is a good manager..but this is about yesterday and the utter ineptness going forward..

 

even 24 hours after, im still trying to figure out what Lallana does...?

 

just to add balance and show the usual witch hunters that I am not all doom and gloom..I still think we will be mid table around xmas/jan

and I thought Harding was superb yesterday...

[Glasgow_Saint]

have i missed something

 

where are these people that are calling for pardews head..?

 

The happy clappys seem to like to make things up and put words into peoples mouths - I imagine this will get worse as excuses are beggining to run out and seem more obscure! Rather than answer questions they just open a new thread with the latest radical rational for **** football.

[John B]

when I look at the line ups yesterday..it was shocking that we could not beat brentford...they even played shyyyyt it was beyond belief..

 

dont know if you went, there was a period in the second half when brentford could only just about pass the ball out of play...

 

they were utter shyt.....

 

when you have a team with lambert, davies, harding, hammond, sagga (rasiak on the bench)...well, will leave that one there

 

I would suggest we could have bought their first 11 3 times over (and probably more)...with the cost of our squad in comparison

 

yesterday, gelling or no gelling was awful

 

I see norwich are doing fine already..

 

Im sure it will get better, and I think pardew is a good manager..but this is about yesterday and the utter ineptness going forward..

 

even 24 hours after, im still trying to figure out what Lallana does...?

 

just to add balance and show the usual witch hunters that I am not all doom and gloom..I still think we will be mid table around xmas/jan

and I thought Harding was superb yesterday...

 

 

Our squad I would have thought on paper was better than most teams in League 1

 

 

That is why it is so frustrating

 

Cannot concentrate on this forum at the moment as the test match is getting exciting

 

343 for 9 Harmison on a hat trick

Edited 23 August, 2009 by John B

[Alain Perrin]

when I look at the line ups yesterday..it was shocking that we could not beat brentford...they even played shyyyyt it was beyond belief..

 

dont know if you went, there was a period in the second half when brentford could only just about pass the ball out of play...

 

they were utter shyt.....

 

when you have a team with lambert, davies, harding, hammond, sagga (rasiak on the bench)...well, will leave that one there

 

I would suggest we could have bought their first 11 3 times over (and probably more)...with the cost of our squad in comparison

 

yesterday, gelling or no gelling was awful

 

I see norwich are doing fine already..

 

Im sure it will get better, and I think pardew is a good manager..but this is about yesterday and the utter ineptness going forward..

 

even 24 hours after, im still trying to figure out what Lallana does...?

 

just to add balance and show the usual witch hunters that I am not all doom and gloom..I still think we will be mid table around xmas/jan

and I thought Harding was superb yesterday...

 

I agree that all is not rosy (and I agree that Lallana adds little to the team - he's very talented, but doesn't seem to be able to apply it). I did go yesterday and took positives from the new signings and the fact we survived a bombardment (the kind that Saints of old would have crumbled under).

 

The negatvity ("this is relegation form" etc.) don't help matters IMHO.

[John B]

The negatvity ("this is relegation form" etc.) don't help matters IMHO.

 

I dont think it is negativity probably disappointment tinged with disbelief

[aintforever]

Some people need to get a grip. We didn't become **** over night, and we won't become un-**** overnight either.

 

Charlton have managed it somehow.

[Thedelldays]

Charlton have managed it somehow.

norwich have turned it around after a 7-1 thrashing at home also

[derry]

when I look at the line ups yesterday..it was shocking that we could not beat brentford...they even played shyyyyt it was beyond belief..

 

dont know if you went, there was a period in the second half when brentford could only just about pass the ball out of play...

 

they were utter shyt.....

 

when you have a team with lambert, davies, harding, hammond, sagga (rasiak on the bench)...well, will leave that one there

 

I would suggest we could have bought their first 11 3 times over (and probably more)...with the cost of our squad in comparison

 

yesterday, gelling or no gelling was awful

 

I see norwich are doing fine already..

 

Im sure it will get better, and I think pardew is a good manager..but this is about yesterday and the utter ineptness going forward..

 

even 24 hours after, im still trying to figure out what Lallana does...?

 

just to add balance and show the usual witch hunters that I am not all doom and gloom..I still think we will be mid table around xmas/jan

and I thought Harding was superb yesterday...

 

 

I'll tell you what Lallana does. His undisciplined self indulgent positioning stops us playing like a proper football team and for me the sooner he is out of the team the sooner we can get on and be competitive with width.

[Wade Garrett]

I'll tell you what Lallana does. His undisciplined self indulgent positioning stops us playing like a proper football team and for me the sooner he is out of the team the sooner we can get on and be competitive with width.

 

He's not a wide player and doesn't have any of the attributes needed to play wide. No pace, and can't get down the line. James was pi**ing me off yesterday as well, crossing from 45 yards out is garbage.

 

We need proper wingers who will hang on the touchline and frighten defenders with pace. Lallana is not the answer in that position. It's a round hole and square pegs scenario.

[Legod Third Coming]

Charlton have managed it somehow.

 

Look, Charlton appointed Phil Parkinson.

 

He went something like 20 games without a win.

 

Most Charlton fans accepted that it would take time to rebuild.

 

It took a relegation too.

 

NOW Parkinson is winning.

 

Pardew has 16 odd games to go to be as bad as Parkinson!!!!

[Legod Third Coming]

norwich have turned it around after a 7-1 thrashing at home also

 

We're not talking about turning around one bad result tho are we?

 

We're talking about rebuilding a club - from the ground up - after five years of total anhilation.

[Thedelldays]

We're not talking about turning around one bad result tho are we?

 

We're talking about rebuilding a club - from the ground up - after five years of total anhilation.

 

norwich went down with us from the prem..they have also chopped and changed their manager, they have also got MORE players to "gel"...they have also just had their record home beating handed to them..they have just changed their manager again..

 

lets not feel completely sorry for ourselves...

[S-Clarke]

norwich have turned it around after a 7-1 thrashing at home also

 

...not forgetting that before yesterday they lost to BRENTFORD and drew against Exeter.

 

Patience is required. Well be ok in the end.

[derry]

He's not a wide player and doesn't have any of the attributes needed to play wide. No pace, and can't get down the line. James was pi**ing me off yesterday as well, crossing from 45 yards out is garbage.

 

We need proper wingers who will hang on the touchline and frighten defenders with pace. Lallana is not the answer in that position. It's a round hole and square pegs scenario.

 

Absolutely spot on. I don't dislike Lallana but for us to play like a proper football team he has to go. James and the others need to go back to the reserves and re-learn the game. 18 reserve games is rediculous we need a proper mens reserve league with about 40 games.

 

I would have thought a sprint coach would be good, especially looking at the physiques of most football players. Compared with athletes their upper body strength is poor. Looking at the upper body physique of sprinters no wonder footballers in the main are pretty slow in comparison.

[Leicestersaint]

It is all rather depressing - but well done England!

[Legod Third Coming]

norwich went down with us from the prem..they have also chopped and changed their manager, they have also got MORE players to "gel"...they have also just had their record home beating handed to them..they have just changed their manager again..

 

lets not feel completely sorry for ourselves...

 

Norwich did not try to run a football team playing Dutch football with reserve players and their youth team though did they?

 

Nor have they been in freefall for five years, appointed a rugby coach to oversee training, fired their only successful manager and then employed Coco the Clown...

 

Before we turn around our team, we need to remember how deep the rot truly was!!

[CB Fry]

 

The negatvity ("this is relegation form" etc.) don't help matters IMHO.

 

 

Newsflash: this is an internet forum.

 

When are people going to twig people grumbling on an internet forum does not, one iota, in any way, shape or forum, ever, ever, ever make any difference to performance on the pitch. None.

 

None at all.

 

Zero.

[Scudamore]

MTV is soooo last year anyway.

 

We've moved onto the download generation now.

 

iTunes generation if you will.

[Ludwig]

 

Nor have they been in freefall for five years,

 

TBF, they have.

[Thedelldays]

TBF' date=' they have.[/quote']

indeed....they went down with us twice

 

if that is not free fall i dont know what is...

 

im sure they could tell us their own sob story too

[Legod Third Coming]

TBF' date=' they have.[/quote']

 

Alright, but you would agree they did not ditch everything known to anyone in football and try to replace it with Rugby coaches and then Dutch clowns...

[lordswoodsaints]

More excuses for being complete sh1t IMO,all of this 'give it time' bollix is getting on my fookin tits.

Other teams seem to do things a lot quicker than us and they manage to gel a lot quicker so why can't we?

Our problems at Swindon had nothing to do with pardew having a look at players (isn't that what training is for??) but more to do with a stubborn manager trying to prove a point to the holders of the purse IMO.

[SaintRobbie]

Our problems at Swindon had nothing to do with pardew having a look at players (isn't that what training is for??) but more to do with a stubborn manager trying to prove a point to the holders of the purse IMO.

 

Possibly, but its a point that needs to be made as there's no chance of the Lowe legacy players being good enough for this league.

 

If AP did this to prove to the owners how crap our current crop of players are then he did exactly the right thing IMHO.

[Legod Third Coming]

More excuses for being complete sh1t IMO,all of this 'give it time' bollix is getting on my fookin tits.

Other teams seem to do things a lot quicker than us and they manage to gel a lot quicker so why can't we?

Our problems at Swindon had nothing to do with pardew having a look at players (isn't that what training is for??) but more to do with a stubborn manager trying to prove a point to the holders of the purse IMO.

 

So who's fault is it that we can't win?

[CB Fry]

Alright, but you would agree they did not ditch everything known to anyone in football and try to replace it with Rugby coaches and then Dutch clowns...

 

 

No but they did chuck huge sums of money at Iain Dowie - he spent two seasons transfer budget in one August. Also known as the never-fails "speculate to accumulate" policy recommended by certain esteemed contributors to this forum ad naseum. But the pressure on everyone at the club of delivering on such a huge outlay saw him out of a job in mere weeks.

 

Then Les Reed. Nuff said.

 

Charlton: free fall.

[Legod Third Coming]

No but they did chuck huge sums of money at Ian Dowie - he spent two seasons transfer budget in one August. Also known as the never-fails speculate to accumulate policy recommended by certain esteemed contributors to this forum ad naseum. But the pressure of delivering on such a huge outlay saw him out of a job in weeks.

 

Then Les Reed. Nuff said.

 

Charlton: free fall.

 

Then appointed Phil Parkinson.

 

Then won no games for three months.

 

Then started winning...

[CB Fry]

Then appointed Phil Parkinson.

 

Then won no games for three months.

 

Then started winning...

 

 

I've got no problem with PP. When the whole forum was going loopy for the likes of Tisdale and Darren Ferguson I was the one pointing out that two seasons ago PP was the hot lower league prospect.

 

Too often managers who haven't yet had the chance to fail (Tisdale, Darren) are treated like they never ever will and those that have failed are treated like they will never succeed again.

 

 

Anyway, this entire thread is a joke and fuelled by self righteous indignation of a sentiment that frankly is not there. No one wants Pardew gone except maybe those who didn't want him in the first place.

 

But fans are moan if we haven't won one in four and don't look like doing so either. Not every moan has to be clobbered by some pompous wally dishing out the tedious "well it took Alex Ferguson blah blah blah blah blah".

 

We are currently rubbish and people saying "STOP GRUMBLING ON A FORUM" is not going to make us win.

Edited 23 August, 2009 by CB Fry

[brmbrm]

have i missed something

 

where are these people that are calling for pardews head..?

 

 

Yup, you've mssed someting.TRy reading some of the threads/posts on here.

[Legod Third Coming]

I've got no problem with PP. When the whole forum was going loopy for the likes of Tisdale and Darren Ferguson I was the one pointing out that two seasons ago PP was the hot lower league prospect.

 

Too often managers who haven't yet had the chance to fail (Tisdale, Darren) are treated like they never ever will and those that have failed are treated like they will never succeed again.

 

 

Anyway, this entire thread is a joke and fuelled by self righteous indignation of a sentiment that frankly is not there. No one wants Pardew gone except maybe those who didn't want him in the first place.

 

But fans are moan if we haven't won one in four and don't look like doing so either. Not every moan has to be clobbered by some pompous wally dishing out the tedious "well it took Alex Ferguson blah blah blah blah blah".

 

We are currently rubbish and people saying "STOP GRUMBLING ON A FORUM" is not going to make us win.

 

I'm not suggesting we look to give Pardew the four years that Ferguson took to get going.

 

But those who are judging Pardew after four games?

 

Presumably, they've never bothered to wait for a lady to finish first...or can't...

[saint_stevo]

I haven't seen anyone calling for Pardew's head

[westofshannonsaint]

when are we allowed to mention the dreaded "R" word and admit that we might struggle this year, if we are still - points at the end of September? if we are still in the bottom 3 at Christmas?

 

I like Pardew, think he is the right man for the job and is at least saying the right things, but I did expect more than 2 points from the first 3 games.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I'll tell you what Lallana does. His undisciplined self indulgent positioning stops us playing like a proper football team and for me the sooner he is out of the team the sooner we can get on and be competitive with width.

 

I do agree with this and think Pardew won't be given him many more opportunities. Everytime he got the ball yesterday you knew after about 15 minutes he would give the ball away with a poor pass or run with it until he was dispossessed. He's a young professional playing of his reputation as an 'exciting academy prospect'. To me he has the look of another academy statistic.

 

He was very lucky to stay on 2nd half as Mellis showed far more promise and wouldn't be surpised to see him start with Thompson at the next league game - difficult to judge how Pardew will use the Birmingham game.

[CB Fry]

I'm not suggesting we look to give Pardew the four years that Ferguson took to get going.

 

But those who are judging Pardew after four games?

 

Presumably, they've never bothered to wait for a lady to finish first...or can't...

 

 

Why can't people judge Pardew after four games. He's only had four games so that's all any of us can judge him on.

 

Sorry, you're deciding that people grumbling now seem to want Pardew sacked NOW NOW NOW which suits an opportunity to posture. No one wants Pardew out, people like to make out that "other people" do just so they can posture and preach loyalty.

 

You seem to be suggesting that absolutely no opinion of Pardew can be expressed until the middle of his third season is laughable. How dare we mere mortals sit in judgement of demigod Alan? Worship, worship, worship.

 

The "judgement" of Pardew started from the second he was appointed and will continue EVERY SINGLE DAY until he is no longer the manager of Southampton Football Club.

 

Harmless. Fans. Forum. Get over it!

[CB Fry]

Yup, you've mssed someting.TRy reading some of the threads/posts on here.

 

 

Like where?

 

I can't see any posts calling for Pardews head. People powered by their own sense of smugness are creating a Pardew Out campaign in their own heads so they can self righteously rail against it, the above quote being an excellent example.

[funkymojo44]

tbf i haven't seen any thread like you mention - if i did i'd just ignore it.

[Thedelldays]

Yup, you've mssed someting.TRy reading some of the threads/posts on here.

where...still cant find any..?

[Glasgow_Saint]

where...still cant find any..?

 

Nobody can find it, because nobody has said it (unless obviously tongue in cheek) the HC's will twist and lie to suit an agenda.......2 points from 12 justifies our frustration - if the HC's aren’t disappointed then there is something wrong.

[um pahars]

Like where?

 

I can't see any posts calling for Pardews head. People powered by their own sense of smugness are creating a Pardew Out campaign in their own heads so they can self righteously rail against it, the above quote being an excellent example.

 

Quite agree CB Fry.

 

The only people who may be suggesting Pardew isn't the man for the job are the same people who were saying he wasn't the man back on 17th July.

 

Football fans reflecting on and having a moan about performances, results and progress doesn't automatically translate into a concerted Pardew Out campaign.

 

Football would be a rather sterile pastime if you take the passion, reaction and debate out of it.

[DT]

I sort of agree but can't help compare what Pardew has done (v good signings, in my view, but a bot tardy on the CB front (and I'd get a new keeper too)) and what Strachan might have done in terms of morale and motivation. Upshot is I reckon we'd have about 3 more points at the mo. We'll get better. Just slowly.

[sotonist]

We didn't become **** over night, and we won't become un-**** overnight either.

 

why does this only ever apply to us though?

 

and why do we keep getting worse?

[Scudamore]

Nobody can find it, because nobody has said it (unless obviously tongue in cheek) the HC's will twist and lie to suit an agenda.......2 points from 12 justifies our frustration - if the HC's aren’t disappointed then there is something wrong.

 

Grimly hanging onto the whole "happy clappy" label aren't you mongchops? Give it up ffs.

[um pahars]

why does this only ever apply to us though?

 

It doesn't.

 

There was an article in The Pink a few weeks back detailing other teams slide from the Top Flight since the 1980's.

 

 

Successive relegations from Top Flight to 4th Division = 2 teams

 

Succesive relegations from Top Flight to 3rd Division = 2 teams

 

2 relegations in 3 seasons = 3 teams

 

2 relegations in 4 seasons = 3 teams

 

2 relegations in 5 seasons = 5 teams (inc us)

 

2 relegations in 6 seasons = 4 teams

 

 

Of the 15 clubs relegated from the Top Flight to the Third tier over this period, 12 have returned to the second tier within three seasons (5 did it at the first attempt, 4 at 2nd attempt, 3 at 3rd attempt)

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I don't see why you can't express disappointment with our results so far and yet still be supportive of what Markus Liebherr & Alan Pardrew etc are trying to achieve - the two points of view our by no means mutually exclusive .

 

You could just as easily say that Saints fans (in the main) have been remarkably patient and supportive over the last 2 or 3 season considering just how poorly this club has performed - on and off the field .

[sotonist]

Of the 15 clubs relegated from the Top Flight to the Third tier over this period, 12 have returned to the second tier within three seasons (5 did it at the first attempt, 4 at 2nd attempt, 3 at 3rd attempt)

 

What i'd be more interested in at this stage is some statistics on how many of those clubs started badly in the third tier.