Saint in Paradise Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Five-Year-Old-Cancer-Sufferer-Is-Recovering-After-Two-Boys-Tried-To-Set-Her-Alight-With-Aerosol-Can/Article/200908415367052?lpos=UK_News_News_Your_Way_Region_4&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15367052_Five_Year_Old_Cancer_Sufferer_Is_Recovering_After_Two_Boys_Tried_To_Set_Her_Alight_With_Aerosol_Can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Feel very sorry for her and also hope the boys get the help they so obviously need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Feel very sorry for her and also hope the boys get the help they so obviously need. The only help they need is helping them to commit suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 What the f*ck is this world coming to ?? We need harsher punishments, that would make people that think about doing this think twice. Sick Sick people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I'm not sure the threat of harsher punishments would have stopped these two boys as children aged 7 and 10 often don't think of the consequences of their actions. If they are prepared to act like this then I would suggest that having strict laws about setting fire to people would not make much of a difference. There is clearly an more important underlying issue and that is of poor parenting and life for people on the margins, with no hope or positive influences. To suggest that these boys should be helped to kill themselves is slightly ironic. What would that teach young people.....that it is actually alright to kill others? Would a 7 year old really be held accountable in such a way? Maybe these aggressive attitudes are part of the cause of the problem? I would ask what home life these boys have had if they think that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. That might sound like "compassionate, leftie" ********, but children do not act in this manner unless they are taught to. If anyone should be held accountable it should parents and all those people who think child offenders should be helped to kill them themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 (edited) At the end of the day, this is down to the parents as 7 and 10 year olds are not intrinsically evil. What prospects do these boys and many like them have in life? One could argue that you have to tackle the root causes of the problem, but this could take decades to achieve. It should still be done, but this won't happen for 20-30 years. In the meantime, if there was ever a case for means testing the parental capability of people, this is it. Perhaps we should have a licensing system, where people have to take lessons and only get a licence on the back of a test? You can only drive on the road if you prove you are capable, but you can breed as much as you like without having to accept any of the consequences. Edited 23 August, 2009 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 At the end of the day, this is down to the parents as 7 and 10 year olds are not intrinsically evil. What prospects do these boys and many like them have in life? I totally agree with you. My two youngest are 7 and 10 as well, and wouldn't have had any inkling of an idea to have done this. In my experience, children who behave like monsters do so because that is the only thing they know, their role models behave the same way. You see them every day, violent, abusive, foul-mouthed parents who treat everyone with contempt and presumably do the same with their own offspring. As a parent myself, it makes my heart bleed to know what these poor children will grow up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I blame the parents, they and not able to bring us children so they should not be allowed to. I feel sick just thinking about that poor little girl, those boys need to help in how to behave by people who have the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 What the f*ck is this world coming to ?? We need harsher punishments, that would make people that think about doing this think twice. Sick Sick people This has become the standard statement after every incident that shocks people. How many times is someone going to pop it out..? Isn't it about time people examined their own conduct..? We are all guilty of not respecting others as much as we might. We all have our own remarkably similar moral codes. Yet we choose to insult one another. We commit violence on the back of a sport or some other excuse. We condone violence by turning away from it, when it is going on right in front of our noses. And we sit back and happily watch violence on the media, knowing full well that it is fictional, but is helping to lay foundations in youngsters as to what is acceptable. And we know those foundations are way past our own, yet we allow it. Yes, we may need harsher punishments, but in a way, we shouldn't need them. What we really need is for people to learn that there is moral code to live by, and it is one where others are not harmed by their actions. Yes, those kids are sick, possibly born of sick parents. But although their actions are without any form of their understanding of the consequences, it actually doesn't surprise me in a world where violence is cool and peace is not. BTW, not knocking you personally SS, just using your statement to illustrate my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I had to give wry smile at the comment at the bottom though, not digging religion but if it was such a caring loving god why has a 5 year old girl who has barely seen the world got cancer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 what is the world coming to? this is typical of wherever it was that this happened (i did not read the article so i do not actually know) isn't it is about time that crime was made illegal? ever since colin(sic) powell was completely and utterly unfairly sacked for his rivers of blood speech every leader we have had and every politician and every policeman and every civil servant and every newspaper journalist has been flower-waving, tree-loving hyppie maniac. why cant we be more like texas? they never have any crime because they kill all their criminals (paradox) it is about time these young paedophiles (they may not be yet, but lets face it, everyone will be eventually) were burnt at the stake to learn some respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Jack the Ripper Karen Matthews Murderous children Welcome to West Yorkshire - and you're very welcome to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 The only help they need is helping them to commit suicide. Are you seriously telling me that a seven year old has some sort of comprehension about what they have done? I doubt very much that the ten year old realised the implications either. The question should be why did they think that this was a good idea? The blame lies with the parents and I hope social services get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Stop the benefits of the scum parents. That'll learn them. We should stop trying to 'understand' these scumbags (I'm talking about the parents here), and start beating them with a big stick (metaphorically). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 (edited) Edited out. IGNORE Edited 24 August, 2009 by Saintandy666 Bad mood, spouting anger to make me feel better :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I still have no regrets for my initial reaction, I am fed up with people trying to say these scum don't know what they are doing. Stop living in the past,"children" are much much more aware than children were even 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 This has become the standard statement after every incident that shocks people. How many times is someone going to pop it out..? Isn't it about time people examined their own conduct..? We are all guilty of not respecting others as much as we might. We all have our own remarkably similar moral codes. Yet we choose to insult one another. We commit violence on the back of a sport or some other excuse. We condone violence by turning away from it, when it is going on right in front of our noses. And we sit back and happily watch violence on the media, knowing full well that it is fictional, but is helping to lay foundations in youngsters as to what is acceptable. And we know those foundations are way past our own, yet we allow it. Yes, we may need harsher punishments, but in a way, we shouldn't need them. What we really need is for people to learn that there is moral code to live by, and it is one where others are not harmed by their actions. Yes, those kids are sick, possibly born of sick parents. But although their actions are without any form of their understanding of the consequences, it actually doesn't surprise me in a world where violence is cool and peace is not. BTW, not knocking you personally SS, just using your statement to illustrate my point. Yeah i can agree with this, that and the complete disintegration of the family unit as a whole, luckily when i was growing up i never knew anyone who's parents had split up, meeting alot of my girlfriends friend group however it seems the norm, and now more and more parents are single. Kids these days also have nothing to do, nothing to aspire to nor any alternative then to walk around the streets etc, there just does not seem to be the youth clubs there used to be or familys also do not go to social clubs etc (that i believe helps promote social skills from a young age tbf). But also there are many more young parents, and unfortunately more and more bad parents, and yes unfortunately bad parenting does construct bad people in many cases, but i just don't know how to counteract this ?? Perhaps even having compulsary national service for any youths that find themselves in and out of the courts ??? Anyways, i do still agree with my former statement, although ut was rather rushed i admit. But things do seem to be getting worse and worse, the togetherness that our parents and grandparents (more my age) knew when they were growing up is long gone, a sense of community is long gone, did the two wars help to bring people together ?? Could national service help ?? I don't know. Oh and SIP, i completely agree, kids these days are much older than we were at that age mentally, but this is due to the access of information thay have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Where in the country did it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Where in the country did it happen? Well, if you had read the link, you'd have seen that it happened in Yorkshire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 (edited) Some ****ing people are little *****s and make me loose faith in the Human Race. Send them away for a few years to an institution with a harsh regime, that'll teach them. Scum of the earth. Ok, I was in a pretty bad mood earlier so I want to write something more constructive now. I think they need to be put on a watch and given help, someone at the age of 7 isn't lost but it's clearly the background that they live in. You'll find often enough that history's biggest monsters and murderers often had a hard upbringing and bad family support, often bought up amid abuse and neglect. Edited 24 August, 2009 by Saintandy666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 I still have no regrets for my initial reaction, I am fed up with people trying to say these scum don't know what they are doing. Stop living in the past,"children" are much much more aware than children were even 10 years ago. Have you ever met a 7 year old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 (edited) Yeah i can agree with this, that and the complete disintegration of the family unit as a whole, luckily when i was growing up i never knew anyone who's parents had split up, meeting alot of my girlfriends friend group however it seems the norm, and now more and more parents are single. Kids these days also have nothing to do, nothing to aspire to nor any alternative then to walk around the streets etc, there just does not seem to be the youth clubs there used to be or familys also do not go to social clubs etc (that i believe helps promote social skills from a young age tbf). But also there are many more young parents, and unfortunately more and more bad parents, and yes unfortunately bad parenting does construct bad people in many cases, but i just don't know how to counteract this ?? Perhaps even having compulsary national service for any youths that find themselves in and out of the courts ??? Anyways, i do still agree with my former statement, although ut was rather rushed i admit. But things do seem to be getting worse and worse, the togetherness that our parents and grandparents (more my age) knew when they were growing up is long gone, a sense of community is long gone, did the two wars help to bring people together ?? Could national service help ?? I don't know. Oh and SIP, i completely agree, kids these days are much older than we were at that age mentally, but this is due to the access of information thay have. Excellent reply - I know exactly what you mean. You came to the conclusion, which was... we don't know. We can't turn the clock back. We can't return innocence to children. Trouble is, we hand over some of the responsibility to institutions, like government, and schools, and shake our heads when they fail to come up with the goods. But we are all responsible. That is what makes it so difficult - to get everyone to accept their measure of responsibility and to cooperate. Children are now subject to a much wider influence of the outside world than they used to be when you or I were growing up. Children today are hardly able to be children any more, and parents face an enormous uphill battle against the outside world of influence. They haven't a hope of rounding out a childs personality, even if they can be bothered to. Kids witness countless things, first or second hand that were only considered of an adult nature just a generation or more ago. But children don't have the maturity to separate what is acceptable and what is not. And if, in their early fomative years [i'm thinking 3-7] they aren't corrected, hopefully in a constructive way, they will almost certainly not see the difference between right and wrong. Neglect and violence is what leads kids to put upon others what they have learned from their own experiences, and for themselves. These children are sick; not in the modern put-down way, but psychologically ill because they don't have the correct building blocks to fill out their personalities and equip them for life. We all fall short in some respect. None of us is the complete and perfect individual. In children, where their acts of committing violence is concerned, the short-comings are all too apparent. Edited 24 August, 2009 by St Landrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Some ****ing people are little *****s and make me loose faith in the Human Race. Send them away for a few years to an institution with a harsh regime, that'll teach them. Scum of the earth. disappointed by this nonsense, andy. usually you speak a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Some ****ing people are little *****s and make me loose faith in the Human Race. Send them away for a few years to an institution with a harsh regime, that'll teach them. Scum of the earth. Yet you're more than happy to "show compassion to" and argue for the release of a convicted terrorist responsible for the death of over 270 people? What kind of crazy, ****ed up world do you live in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Yet you're more than happy to "show compassion to" and argue for the release of a convicted terrorist responsible for the death of over 270 people? What kind of crazy, ****ed up world do you live in? Sorry, i've just re-read the lockerbie post and I am getting you confused with someone else. It must be my advancing years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 It would appear that sinister things are happening just down the road too, beggars belief that kids can do this to each other, hope the lad is ok: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Boy-Hung-By-Noose-From-Tree-In-A-Portsmouth-Park---Bradley-McLachlan-7-Was-Rescued/Article/200908415367604?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15367604_Boy_Hung_By_Noose_From_Tree_In_A_Portsmouth_Park_-_Bradley_McLachlan%2C_7%2C_Was_Rescued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 It would appear that sinister things are happening just down the road too, beggars belief that kids can do this to each other, hope the lad is ok: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Boy-Hung-By-Noose-From-Tree-In-A-Portsmouth-Park---Bradley-McLachlan-7-Was-Rescued/Article/200908415367604?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15367604_Boy_Hung_By_Noose_From_Tree_In_A_Portsmouth_Park_-_Bradley_McLachlan%2C_7%2C_Was_Rescued Aunt Katie would get it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Aunt Katie would get it!! Yeh but only from her brother, father, grandad etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Sorry people, that was a lot of bull****. Read the second post, something happened yesterday that put me in a bad mood do needed to take anger out on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Yet you're more than happy to "show compassion to" and argue for the release of a convicted terrorist responsible for the death of over 270 people? What kind of crazy, ****ed up world do you live in? Yer, read second post, I think I might edit that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Yet you're more than happy to "show compassion to" and argue for the release of a convicted terrorist responsible for the death of over 270 people? What kind of crazy, ****ed up world do you live in? In my second post, the actual one that makes sense, I am talking more about intervention to steer these kids the right way because a 7 year old doesn't get those ideas without some history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 I would definitely like to see the parents taken to task. If my kids of a similar age did wrong, I'd expect the issue to land on my doorstep and rightly so. Parents should take accountability for the actions of their children. Sounds obvious doesn't it. That said, a ten year old and even a seven year old would indeed in my opinion know at the time that there actions were wrong, dangerous, serious and would cause pain. There should therefore be a punishment of sorts for each of them. I'm not sure what though. How might the state punish a seven year old? No pudding for a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 I would definitely like to see the parents taken to task. If my kids of a similar age did wrong, I'd expect the issue to land on my doorstep and rightly so. Parents should take accountability for the actions of their children. Sounds obvious doesn't it. That said, a ten year old and even a seven year old would indeed in my opinion know at the time that there actions were wrong, dangerous, serious and would cause pain. There should therefore be a punishment of sorts for each of them. I'm not sure what though. How might the state punish a seven year old? No pudding for a month? I think what's going on in their homes needs to be throughly vetted and perhaps the children given some sort of psycological treatment. The thing is you aren't legally responsible for your actions in this country untill the age of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 I believe, a few years down the road, that the apparent lawlessness in this country in some areas will promote vigilante justice. I wouldn't honestly be suprised if this genuinely did happen, people getting together and taking matters into their own hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 25 August, 2009 Share Posted 25 August, 2009 I had to give wry smile at the comment at the bottom though, not digging religion but if it was such a caring loving god why has a 5 year old girl who has barely seen the world got cancer? Sadly, a biological cause. Nothing to do with a 'God'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffo Posted 27 August, 2009 Share Posted 27 August, 2009 my view is to terminate the boys and the immediate family. Just need to do that a few times and the scum will learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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