Ashley Grute Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The Millwall game Lloyd James was out-muscled for the goal, today he let their winger stroll past him without making a challenge- he is a liability at right back- I would rather have Thomas, Gillett or even god forbid Wotton there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The Millwall game Lloyd James was out-muscled for the goal, today he let their winger stroll past him without making a challenge- he is a liability at right back- I would rather have Thomas, Gillett or even god forbid Wotton there! I was more concerned with Thomson today who looked shocking - terribly off the pace, no urgency and he looked totally at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James was good today apart from the goal and their player never strolled past him, he beat him for pace when in full flight and James was from a standingish start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davec Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James is too slow for full back - but all this criticism of Thomson is totally unjustified - thought he gave a spark when he came on but lacked service - if you are going to play wingers, give them the ball - when Jake got it he looked a threat - what he needs is a run of games and a stop to all this negativity! Give him a chance and he will deliver the goods!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James is too slow for full back - but all this criticism of Thomson is totally unjustified - thought he gave a spark when he came on but lacked service - if you are going to play wingers, give them the ball - when Jake got it he looked a threat - what he needs is a run of games and a stop to all this negativity! Give him a chance and he will deliver the goods!! Just goes to show how people see games differently. Sitting in the left Kingsland I got a close look at him and I was quite shocked how aimless he appeared. Out of his depth, sluggish, clueless, non-urgent, aimless and no composure. Maybe he does need a few games but everyone around me thought he was dire today. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James was good today apart from the goal and their player never strolled past him, he beat him for pace when in full flight and James was from a standingish start Yes that is true - I think he expected Thomson to have picked him up. It would be good to see James make those sort of runs though - I somehow doubt he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 22 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Delldays- James was totally done for pace right in front of me- Murty isn't quick, but I am certain he wouldn't have been done like that by their winger- James is too slow and too lightweight as a right back IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Anyone at the back of block 40 will know exactly how I felt about his, lallana's and Thompson's inept performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James is another one who is totally overrated. These guys, Lallana, Morgan, James Thomson, Paterson, Gillett are just not good enough. Just because we've produced great young players before and this group did well at the younger level, does not make them good players. We are deluding ourselves here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought apart from a couple of better crosses James was as bad as he was at Swindon. The combination of him and Thompson on the right side just left it wide open for Brentford - not a tackle in them and both slow getting back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Must agree with FF about Thompson. After the first 10 mins or so I thought he looked lazy and clueless....the clueless I can live with cos many of our players have looked like that over the years but the lazy bit really bothered me. Shake yourself up Jake FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 22 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2009 My point is as a full back you either need some pace or strength and James has neither- I would rather have had Thomas or Gillett at RB and James at RM. My position in the Northam is directly in line with the RB position and although he did improve last season, you would need all your fingers and some of your toes to count the number of goals we conceded last season from poor defending from Lloyd James! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 thomson was unmarked for ages and never got the ball and when he did he looked okay, unjustified slatings. We wanted width then our players never used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 22 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought Thomson looked alright at times, but you can't play him and James down the right-far too lightweight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unfair as ever on James. If he is blamed for the goal, what about the half dozen other players their fullback ran past? Or the other defenders for not picking up the unmarked man in the box? He put in at least a half dozen decent crosses into their box. Thompson did one, Lallana about the same & Mellis none. And he links up the play well - neat & tidy. I agree he is not the best full back ever but he does add something to the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I think Thomson was shocking. I saw some good stuff today though and was encouraged at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I have been frustratad with James as an attacking full back/midfielder from day one. Cant the coaching staff tell him that his crosses are useless until he can get down to the byeline. How many attacks are wasted by his diagonal balls from midway between halfway line and goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Let's remember he is our second choice right back. Goal aside I thought James had a reasonable game, not great but not awful (which I would say for most of them). He can certainly cross a good ball and from deep positions. I do agree that Thomson was dissapointing as was Mellis in the first half, particularly when he was playing on the left side. IMO we need some pace in the side, something I thought Thomson possesed but showed no evidence of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unfair as ever on James. If he is blamed for the goal, what about the half dozen other players their fullback ran past? Or the other defenders for not picking up the unmarked man in the box? He put in at least a half dozen decent crosses into their box. Thompson did one, Lallana about the same & Mellis none. And he links up the play well - neat & tidy. I agree he is not the best full back ever but he does add something to the team Someone else to laugh at. He's rubbish at right Back. Him + Thompson must be the weakest ride side combination ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky-G Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 my opinion was as per usual we sat back after going in front & invited them onto us & then they got their equaliser,but being unfortunately sat in the chapel I didn't have the best view,please feel free to correct me, if I saw it totally wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I couldn't agree less. I think he's the best crosser in the team, or close to it along with Murty. I do agree that we need some wide men to get to the byline but I personally would not criticise a fullback for that - IMO the problem is we do not have any genuine wide players which seems to be a position that we fill in with guys who deserve a game but cannot fit in anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I couldn't agree less. I think he's the best crosser in the team, or close to it along with Murty. I do agree that we need some wide men to get to the byline but I personally would not criticise a fullback for that - IMO the problem is we do not have any genuine wide players which seems to be a position that we fill in with guys who deserve a game but cannot fit in anywhere else. That I think is the case plus Lallana does not bring much to the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I have been frustratad with James as an attacking full back/midfielder from day one. Cant the coaching staff tell him that his crosses are useless until he can get down to the byeline. How many attacks are wasted by his diagonal balls from midway between halfway line and goal line. I couldn't agree less. I think he's the best crosser in the team, or close to it along with Murty. I do agree that we need some wide men to get to the byline but I personally would not criticise a fullback for that - IMO the problem is we do not have any genuine wide players which seems to be a position that we fill in with guys who deserve a game but cannot fit in anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Let's remember he is our second choice right back. Goal aside I thought James had a reasonable game, not great but not awful (which I would say for most of them). He can certainly cross a good ball and from deep positions. I do agree that Thomson was dissapointing as was Mellis in the first half, particularly when he was playing on the left side. IMO we need some pace in the side, something I thought Thomson possesed but showed no evidence of. You dont score goals from balls centred from deep positions (not at div1 level-the strikers are not good enough) I dont know the stats but i've never seen a goal scored from a james cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I couldn't agree less. I think he's the best crosser in the team, or close to it along with Murty. I do agree that we need some wide men to get to the byline but I personally would not criticise a fullback for that - IMO the problem is we do not have any genuine wide players which seems to be a position that we fill in with guys who deserve a game but cannot fit in anywhere else. The crosses are easy for defenders and the attacks break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I couldn't agree less. I think he's the best crosser in the team, or close to it along with Murty. I do agree that we need some wide men to get to the byline but I personally would not criticise a fullback for that - IMO the problem is we do not have any genuine wide players which seems to be a position that we fill in with guys who deserve a game but cannot fit in anywhere else. Murty gets to the byeline and so does Harding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Just goes to show how people see games differently. Sitting in the left Kingsland I got a close look at him and I was quite shocked how aimless he appeared. Out of his depth, sluggish, clueless, non-urgent, aimless and no composure. Maybe he does need a few games but everyone around me thought he was dire today. Sorry. Totally agree Duncan. Him, James and Lallana were easily the three worst players on either side. No accident that our best players were Harding and Trotman, players that are hardly veterans but have not had the pampered existance our academy lads have. Hopefully we could get a fee for Lallana but the kindest thing we could do with the other two is release them. A mate of mine is a Bournemouth ST and said Thomson was poor there last season as well. Real footballers in future, no more of Rupert's academy rejects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I was more concerned with Thomson today who looked shocking - terribly off the pace, no urgency and he looked totally at sea. Totally agree Thomson is so not ready and was absolutely awful. People like Patterson and Thomson need to be loaned out to a fourth tier side to get experience, neither have impressed me so far with what I've seen of them both. There no doubt they both have the ability to be good players but need to play games and are not ready for our team due to the inexperience of the team and the situation we find ourselves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James is another one who is totally overrated. These guys, Lallana, Morgan, James Thomson, Paterson, Gillett are just not good enough. Just because we've produced great young players before and this group did well at the younger level, does not make them good players. We are deluding ourselves here. Gillet should be in the team instead of that overrated morgan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Agreed. He was slow getting back for most of the game and had no physical presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Gillet should be in the team instead of that overrated morgan!! Scheidnerlin was the only midfielder to show any creativity in my opinion. He is a class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Jeez when are all the chuffin sheep going to bugger off to support someone else, there is nothing wrong with Lloyd James yes he got skinned by an out of character foray forward by his opposite number who had the greater momentum, but where was the marker on the goal scorer Cleveland Whatsit. I am sick and tired when people jump on the player knocking band wagon, especially when that player has the vision and the ability to make a pass that hits the man he is aiming for thus creating a chance.................... As you can tell it gets on my wick when a player who does not deserve the bullsh1t he gets cops it on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought James was absolutely dreadful today. Along with Paterson very much the weakest link in the side. Paterson was correctly removed from the pitch second-half and I'm sure if we had adequate replacement on the bench, James would have been too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoakley Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thomson is not ready to play a big part at this level, maybe he should join a league two team for a bit and get match practise and learn how to deal with certain situations, he has pace and sometimes looks like he would be a usefull player in league one, so hopefully he shows that promise from the bench or with a loan move and be ready to help us more in the 2nd part of the season, in which hopefully we are pushing for 5th or 6th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James was good today apart from the goal and their player never strolled past him, he beat him for pace when in full flight and James was from a standingish start Exactly, that player f*cking flew past everyone. How many times are we going to be beaten for pace on the wings before we realise that we need to do the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofme Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I have to say the new players did pretty well today but james, Thomson, Scneiderlin were woeful Lallana is a decent player but doesnt fit into the team and shouldnt be played wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 (edited) Just shows what a load of "r"ollocks people write on here about individual players, just seen the Brentford goal on TV, me-laddo for Brentford passed 2 other players before he confronted James before making the cross; where are the knives for them? Edited 22 August, 2009 by John Boy Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 James, Thomson and lallana are ****! Schneiderlin is the best player in the league by a ****ing mile. Just wait till tuesday night, he will really turn it on. Today he had a steady game, didn't give the ball away and won a lot of ball as well. The tit that said Gillet is better needs his head testing as Gillet is **** and we need to get rid of the crap like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Just shows what a load of "r"ollocks people write on here about individual players, just seen the Brentford goal on TV, me-laddo for Brentford passed 2 other players before he confronted James before making the cross; where are the knives for them? James should have snapped him in half, have you never heard of "no cross"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRINKLY SAINT Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Scheidnerlin was the only midfielder to show any creativity in my opinion. He is a class act. Its funny how we all see things differently, I thought Morgan was the worst player on the pitch, 1 completed pass all game No effort, No tackiling Lots of hiding. I think he is a player who flatters and who, because he trys and occassionly succeeds, with the flash(ie 2 long range shots against Millwall) is considered a star. He is however young and could be brought on BUT please do not ,Mr Pardew, say he was the best player on the pitch(as you did against Millwall) when he clearly wasn't this gives him no incentive to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 James is another one who is totally overrated. These guys, Lallana, Morgan, James Thomson, Paterson, Gillett are just not good enough. Just because we've produced great young players before and this group did well at the younger level, does not make them good players. We are deluding ourselves here. Bit unfair on James as he was probably the most improved player last season, even playing at right back. Playing right mid in front of Murty might be the making of him, but - though he can put in a decent cross in from deep - I can't see him getting to the byeline to put in crosses. Not pacy enough The problem stems from L***'s stupid experiment last summer - ie playing a team of kids. Many of us said at the time that this would crush the confidence of the youngsters when they got out muscled by the big lads. It happened - they were put in the first team prematurely and we can see the consequences. These youngsters either need to go back to the ressies or out on loan to League 2 clubs to gain experience and rebuild confidence. BTW - we are desperate for width and pace on the wings. Remember Nathan Dyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Grute Posted 23 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 August, 2009 The buck stops with James-he is the defender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Crikey some posters on here think James is Ok. He was a poor midfield player in the Reserves and U18s and cost us a shed load of goals last year and will again if he is at right back. He cannot run tackle pass or head the ball - all he can do is put a good cross in from deep - ocasionally. Every other full back in L1 would have blocked tripped chopped down or anything else to stop the cross going 1 nil up with 10 minutes to go but he was nowhere. Useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Crikey some posters on here think James is Ok. He was a poor midfield player in the Reserves and U18s and cost us a shed load of goals last year and will again if he is at right back. He cannot run tackle pass or head the ball - all he can do is put a good cross in from deep - ocasionally. Every other full back in L1 would have blocked tripped chopped down or anything else to stop the cross going 1 nil up with 10 minutes to go but he was nowhere. Useless. did you see him in the youth team? He ran the midfield in that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 i don't think mass abuse of the young players is helpful or fair,in years gone by we introduced one of our own into an experienced side and they found their feet surrounded by older heads,we now have the exact opposite they are out there getting used to the new experienced players coming in,it will take time,each week a new face,a new personality for them to play with ...for heavens sake give them a break ,it's August...not December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 did you see him in the youth team? He ran the midfield in that team. Yes I try and watch most home games on a Saturday - in my opinion the tall Finnish guy ran the midfield in that side but we let him go. I will accept that James was reasonably effective at that level in midfield in a good side but now it is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 i don't think mass abuse of the young players is helpful or fair,in years gone by we introduced one of our own into an experienced side and they found their feet surrounded by older heads,we now have the exact opposite they are out there getting used to the new experienced players coming in,it will take time,each week a new face,a new personality for them to play with ...for heavens sake give them a break ,it's August...not December I think you are right but if they could not make it in the Championship and now are performing poorly in L1 they will have to return to the Reserves or be loaned out - we cannot carry them another season. As an example how many other strikers in L1 would have missed Patersons chance with the keeper over committed and not quite in the best position to save a shot unless you half heartedly mi**** it at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Schneiderlin would be a much better player if our two wide men both played out on the touchline, he would then be able to hit one of them or hit the pass behind the full back into the corner. The other one could then get to the corner of the penalty area and come in on the blind side reinforcing the strikers whilst the midfielders made for the edge of the penalty area. There is no doubt in my mind his passing is the key, now that Hammond is alongside him it would release him if we played our wide midfielders wide. Lallana won't do it, Mellis was on his wrong side, both narrow, leave them out and put in players that will stay wide. For the moment I would put Holmes in on the left and Gillett on the right until we bring in one or two pacy proper wide players. James lacks pace and is struggling to get into the game. Lallana has become a cameo player, a couple of flash flicks, no end product and seems to have no alertness or awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 14 November, 2019 Share Posted 14 November, 2019 Seeing as times are hard, I like this thread which features: - The merits of Lloyd James and Jake Thomson as they battle it out for the RB spot. - Calls for Kayne McLaggon to be given game time. - An idea that we should be picking Simon Gillett and Lee Holmes ahead of Adam Lallana, who is only good for cameos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 14 November, 2019 Share Posted 14 November, 2019 FWIW, I thought James could whip in a decent cross! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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