Saga

[Chez]

Saganowski scored 19 goals for Saints. Patterson scored 1 goal for Saints. So Saganowski is 19 times better than Patterson. No matter how many games Patterson plays, he will not score more than Saganowski at this moment. There is a big ****ing difference between their quality.

 

For real? Are you saying Patterson won't score 19 goals in total for Saints?

 

Completely different players and there is room for both type in the squad if Saga actually wants to be here. But does he?

 

FWIW Patterson was poor yesterday but Saga wasn't really much better or more dangerous.

[S-Clarke]

Pard's was spot on with his assessment of Pato, that early miss completely ruined his head for the game

 

Also illustrated at how mentally fragile these young lads are. He's a good talent, not exceptional, but he can certainty do a job for us.

 

He didn't give the Milwall back 4 any piece on the opening day and showed great composure for the goal.

[AlfredKo]

For real? Are you saying Patterson won't score 19 goals in total for Saints?

 

Completely different players and there is room for both type in the squad if Saga actually wants to be here. But does he?

 

FWIW Patterson was poor yesterday but Saga wasn't really much better or more dangerous.

 

How do you know Patterson will score 19 goals in total for Saints? Even Mcgoldrick failed to score 19 goals in total for Saints. Saganowski wants to be here or not is not important, we are not a selling club anymore is more important. In my opinon, we don't want to sell if we can not find a better replacement, we should keep a player as long as possible. Two days ago, I remembered Patterson had a really poor control of the ball when he was put through by that Chelsea loanee, can you imgaine what should had happened if it was Saganowski but not Patterson. If you followed Saints in the championship, you should know Saganowski always finish them as afternoon tea. No doubt Saganowski is by far a better player, if the starting line-up has anything to do with quality, then the Poles should be on the field, our academy striker should be on the bench.

[Saint_clark]

The starting line-up has to do with form. Neither Rasiak or Saga want to be here, they have played sh*t so far this season (bar saturday) and Paterson has looked dangerous in every game so far (again, bar saturday).

[Saint_clark]

As for saying "even McGoldrick didn't get 19 goals in total for Saints", he only played one full season. Saga has played nearly 2 and a half seasons now. (And yes, I have taken into account the half a season he was loaned out).

[AlfredKo]

The starting line-up has to do with form. Neither Rasiak or Saga want to be here, they have played sh*t so far this season (bar saturday) and Paterson has looked dangerous in every game so far (again, bar saturday).

 

Bloody hell, I thought Saganowski looked dangerous against Millwall, set up the goal for Patterson and had a brace that was disallowed. Rasiak also got an assist against Northampton in the Carling Cup and had a really good game.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Interesting as it is to argue the merits of this player over that player the heart of the matter is that even when we did deliver a decent ball into the box there was nobody there to make anything of it . The lesson is that at all levels of the game the need for pace is overwhelming , Saga/Paterson/Lambert/Rasiak - none of them would win a sprint race against the Cheltenham Girl Guides second eleven .

 

If there's any money left in the transfer kitty spend it on somebody who's a bit quick .

[OldNick]

Eh?

 

Think that was James, Hammond and Thomson.

you are right those 3 were just as culpable but it started with him.

 

Rasiak was supposed to be off to watford but wth the Tommy Smith transfer breaking down they might not take him now

[Cabrone]

you are right those 3 were just as culpable but it started with him.

 

Rasiak was supposed to be off to watford but wth the Tommy Smith transfer breaking down they might not take him now

 

I hope so. If he's to stay till at least Xmas then hopefully Pards will select him from the start of games - not after 90 mins.

 

Really can't understand the Rasiak bashing that happens on here - he's our best goalscorer.

 

Start him and give him service. The goals will follow.

[Stu Man Do]

Sorry dont agree with you. From the back of the Northam, Saga looked slow & was poor in the air. We urgently need an injection of pace up front & out wide which has been lacking for years.

 

From the chapel end (yes i know!) e.g. the end he was shooting towards he looked MUCH better than patterson and imo has looked better than Pato everytime he has played. He is a higher standard due in part to his experience, he hurried defenders he moved into good positions to pick up the ball and more importantly knew what he wanted to do with it when he did receive it! For my money he and Lambert would be the best strikeforce we currently posses. Get him out there on Tuesday and lets see what they can do with a couple of real wingers getting the ball into them.

[Chez]

How do you know Patterson will score 19 goals in total for Saints? Even Mcgoldrick failed to score 19 goals in total for Saints.

 

I don't know what Patterson will do in terms of goals, never said I did, but you seem pretty certain - have you a time machine at yoru disposal?

 

Saganowski wants to be here or not is not important, we are not a selling club anymore is more important. In my opinon, we don't want to sell if we can not find a better replacement, we should keep a player as long as possible.

If eh wants out, get rid, if he doesn't then use him as part of the squad. Pardew has already said he wants out - so we haev to believe that is the case - and I don't want to watch players that aren't comitted to the club.

 

Two days ago, I remembered Patterson had a really poor control of the ball when he was put through by that Chelsea loanee, can you imgaine what should had happened if it was Saganowski but not Patterson.

who knows, maybescore, maybe mis control. Saga is no god, he mis-controls and misses chances with the best of them.

 

If you followed Saints in the championship, you should know Saganowski always finish them as afternoon tea. No doubt Saganowski is by far a better player, if the starting line-up has anything to do with quality, then the Poles should be on the field, our academy striker should be on the bench.

I followed them to the four corners and I saw Saga miss chances on all of those corners. In terms of first touch Saga probably has the edge, but Patterson is beter in the air, its swings and roundabouts. I don't want to get into a ****ing competition comparing the two, they are different types of players and both offer something. However I personally see great potential in Patterson so I'm willing to give him a lot lot more time (a couple of seasons at least) to devlop into a decent striker.

[Chez]

From the chapel end (yes i know!) e.g. the end he was shooting towards he looked MUCH better than patterson and imo has looked better than Pato everytime he has played. He is a higher standard due in part to his experience, he hurried defenders he moved into good positions to pick up the ball and more importantly knew what he wanted to do with it when he did receive it! For my money he and Lambert would be the best strikeforce we currently posses. Get him out there on Tuesday and lets see what they can do with a couple of real wingers getting the ball into them.

 

Patteson was MOTM against Millwall so you're "looked better than Pato every time he has played" is not quite right in my opinion.

 

Having said that I'm more than happy for Saga to play tomorrow night. Thats what a squad is all about.

[krissyboy31]

Patteson was MOTM against Millwall

IMHO Absolute tosh!!! He was ok and scored the goal.

[Channon's Sideburns]

If Saga had had the three really good chances Paterson fecked up in the first half, he would have buried them all.

 

In one sentence you have hit the nail on the head with a big WALLOP.

 

However, both Paterson and Lambert would have nailed more (and Saga in the 2nd half) if we had decent wingers.

 

Lallana = waste of space, goes round in circles so much I'm surprised he hasn't an ankle injury;

 

Mellis = so far, no better than we already have;

 

Thomson = always seems half asleep to me whenever he plays - where have the performances gone from him? (he was on fire at Bmth)...

 

Holmes = would be a solution but seems to spend more time on the shelf than a tin of evaporated milk.

 

SORT IT - we ain't going anywhere but down unless we improve in this area.

 

Also, whilst I'm ranting....

 

RELEASE PULIS ETC NOW - FREE UP THE WAGES FOR PLAYERS THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE - SHIFT OUT FRINGE PLAYERS ON LOAN AND USE THE SAVINGS FOR BETTER PLAYERS.

 

(The only downside to this masterplan though is whether ANYONE would want half of our squad....thanks Rupert)

Edited 24 August, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns

[Chez]

IMHO Absolute tosh!!! He was ok and scored the goal.

 

He had a terrific game, worked his nuts off, caused their back four all kinds of problems, won lots in the air, held the ball up well and as you say scored. When he went off injured the ball failed to stick and they took charge (admittedly playing three up caused us problems). That is of course all IMHO.

[krissyboy31]

you are right those 3 were just as culpable but it started with him.

 

Rasiak was supposed to be off to watford but wth the Tommy Smith transfer breaking down they might not take him now

 

According to SSN he is currently having a medical at Reading.

[Thedelldays]

no wonder all our young players are pretty shyt now..

 

they do half decent and get MoM awards by some...

that right there is the reason why we get let down by the likes of lallana...for too long people have been saying he is great and we should have a side built around him

 

paterson will be a decent player soon enough..

 

but whilst sagga (and raz) are saints players, they should play ahead of him

 

when sagga came on sat he looked anything but lazy and disinterested..

he is a bloody international striker with a half decent european team who will be going to the world cup no doubt...

[Joesaint]

Patterson was rubbish, may be good in time but needs to be stronger and work harder.

[OldNick]

According to SSN he is currently having a medical at Reading.

well it is good bye Rasiak then

[OldNick]

no wonder all our young players are pretty shyt now..

 

they do half decent and get MoM awards by some...

that right there is the reason why we get let down by the likes of lallana...for too long people have been saying he is great and we should have a side built around him

 

paterson will be a decent player soon enough..

 

but whilst sagga (and raz) are saints players, they should play ahead of him

 

when sagga came on sat he looked anything but lazy and disinterested..

he is a bloody international striker with a half decent european team who will be going to the world cup no doubt...

DD , Saga came back into the side late in last season.At first I ate humble pie and accepted I had perhaps been wrong.I think he scored6 in 3or 4 games.After that he scored none and has looked to go through the motions.I realised when I posted i was swimming against the tide, but if you have players who dont want to be there, the players that do feel annoyed by their attitude and for them to be lauded cannot help the squads morale.I have heard nothing from the camp that tells me they are helping the cause.It would be best they are got shot of. All IMO

[eelpie]

To many people come on here rubbishing our players for my liking...

(Keep the support up everyone)

 

So true. I often feel we have ended up with the team our rubbish supporters deserve.

[OldNick]

So true. I often feel we have ended up with the team our rubbish supporters deserve.

We have good and bad supporters.If you think that singing a players name who has done very little for 6 months, who desperately wants to go is the way forward then fine. I think differently about Rasiak and Saga than perhaps yourself, they are not behind the cause and will be pleased for them to be gone and new faces in to fill their boots wo are more interested in the team than their own personal glory.

[Alanh]

Based on Saturday (I wasn't at the Millwall game) Paterson looked just what he is - a kid who is learning the ropes and isn't yet a fully fledged striker. It looked as though his head went down as the half went on, probably as a result of not testing the keeper more with the chances that came his way in the first five minutes. He looks like the sort of player who will develop as he physically grows and gains first team experience. i could see him bbeing a valuable striker for Saints in the long run.

 

Saga looked like a player who had loads more experience and confidence, but did not get the breaks to put any of it to good use. He put as much effort in as anyone else on the pitch and if he had got the chances that fell to Paterson in the first half he might have scored them but he's hardly been prolific in the last year so I wouldn't be putting my house on it.

 

It's a squad game so there is definitely room for both players if Saga wants to be here. I'd give Saga a chance to start tonight, possibly with Rasiak (assuming neither are in talks to leave) and see if he can show that he is up for it for the season.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Bloody hell, I thought Saganowski looked dangerous against Millwall, set up the goal for Patterson and had a brace that was disallowed. Rasiak also got an assist against Northampton in the Carling Cup and had a really good game.

 

Hold the Back Pages - Polish International gets an assist against Northampton Town in the Carling Cup. Saints deluged with expressions of interest from a multitude of clubs...

[bungle]

Players I've seen give less of a shìt about Saints in 2 games this season:

 

Paul "Ah fùck it, I'll just hoof it anywhere" Wotton against Millwall

Lloyd James agaist Millawall

Adam Lallana against Millwall

Lloyd James against Swindon

Adam Lallana against Swindon

Morgan Schneiderlin against Swindon

Paul Wotton against Swindon

The other CM against Swindon. He was that bad I honestly can't remember who it was.

Oliver Lancashire against Swindon

 

In the interests of fair play, we have to get rid of all of them before we get rid of Saga and Rasiak. Tempting though that is, it's probably easier to get a couple of decent wingers and see if maybe we can score a few.

 

Well, you once again show you know nothing about football.

 

Paul Wotton is awful, and shouldn't be playing, but the one thing no-one can criticise is his effort. He just isn't very good. And Lancashire may not be the greatest, but again I can't see how he doesn't care.

 

The modern day football fan, who knows very little (which is you), seems to confuse lack of ability with lack of effort. Never mind though, you embarrass yourself with every post.

[Thedelldays]

I picture Bungle with tight curly hair and a chubby face..

 

am I right..?

[AlfredKo]

Well, you once again show you know nothing about football.

 

Paul Wotton is awful, and shouldn't be playing, but the one thing no-one can criticise is his effort. He just isn't very good. And Lancashire may not be the greatest, but again I can't see how he doesn't care.

 

The modern day football fan, who knows very little (which is you), seems to confuse lack of ability with lack of effort. Never mind though, you embarrass yourself with every post.

 

I knows what it means by lack of effort or lack of ability. But to be fair, nobody likes Wotton, Lancahsire and Jake Thompson even though they give 120% every matches. The reason for it is because their quality is just by far too terrible. Given that I give 200% week in and week out, am I allowed to be on the pitch ahead of Kelvin Davis or Harding in the starting line-up every game? It can't be, is it? If their ability is not enough for them to wear our shirt, then they shouldn't be on the pitch, if they have enough quality to play for the reserve, then the reserve team is the team that they have everything to play for but not the league games.

[yorkie]

I picture Bungle with tight curly hair and a chubby face..

 

am I right..?

 

For those who do not know Bungle - he's a jolly fellow especially after a couple of pints.

 

As for the "chubby face" & "tight curly hair" - hardly.

 

Bungle is best observed at away games stood at the back bellowing out the Woolston Ferry Song or OWTSGMI. He particularly likes the "Barmy Army" chant along with "Red Army".

 

He loved our ex-Chairman sooooooooo much I thought he was a love-child!

 

All I can say is you wouldn't want to have to pick him up if he fell over - if you get my drift...but then again I fall into that category too!

 

So TDD he is a wealth of knowledge about everything - well most things except football!

[PaulSaint]

A couple of threads on BBC 606 have claimed that Saga is in talks with Palace? Anybody know if this is true?

 

:confused:

[bungle]

I knows what it means by lack of effort or lack of ability. But to be fair, nobody likes Wotton, Lancahsire and Jake Thompson even though they give 120% every matches. The reason for it is because their quality is just by far too terrible. Given that I give 200% week in and week out, am I allowed to be on the pitch ahead of Kelvin Davis or Harding in the starting line-up every game? It can't be, is it? If their ability is not enough for them to wear our shirt, then they shouldn't be on the pitch, if they have enough quality to play for the reserve, then the reserve team is the team that they have everything to play for but not the league games.

 

Hey, as I've said, I don't think their quality is good enough, but why is it fair to criticise someone's effort when that is probably the one thing they are putting in. I'm not saying they should be played, just I think the poster who made these comments is seriously misguided.

 

Interestingly, Wotton put in a good performance last night, and perhaps having Hammond competing for his place will up his game.

[Arizona]

Well, you once again show you know nothing about football.

 

Paul Wotton is awful, and shouldn't be playing, but the one thing no-one can criticise is his effort. He just isn't very good. And Lancashire may not be the greatest, but again I can't see how he doesn't care.

 

The modern day football fan, who knows very little (which is you), seems to confuse lack of ability with lack of effort. Never mind though, you embarrass yourself with every post.

 

 

Poor old predictable bungle. You might get a rise out of Alpine by repeatedly telling him he knows nothing about football, but I know I'm always right Anyway, if it's all the same to you I'll just show I know absolutely nothing about football again:

 

I'm guessing you went to the Brett Ormerod school of the more you run the more it means you care about the club. I'm not just including movement in my analysis of "effort", I'm including thinking too. In my book just hoofing the ball up the field whenever you get it constitutes a lack of effort. Beside's he is hardly a box-to-box midfield work horse in the Prutton/Viafara mould. Just because he has no skill and throws himself wrecklessly in to challenges doesn't make him committed.

 

 

P.S.

 

:finga:

[callysaint76]

Blah blah blah.

You will eat your words IMO. Let's just leave it at that.

much as i would love to be eating my words, i'm not.

[krissyboy31]

At least Saga doesn't have worry about being picked for the Polish world cup squad now.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_5547684,00.html

Hopefully by the time of the next major championship he'll be playing for us at a higher level.