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Give it to Ron

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Yet Hammond was miles better than Wotton, Harding had a good game, Lambert won nearly every header and set up the goal, Trotman had a good game and we never conceded from set pieces.

At half time we bought on Saga and Thomson who has pace and width !

You just love revelling in this ****e dont you...why do you never ever look for any positives.

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Thedelldays

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Think yourself lucky that you didn't get to many games last season!!!!!!

 

How do you know I never?

Last season at least we scored a few goals

yesterday I was shocked when we did

 

what a terrible team we have

I was even more shocked at how pointless lallana is in the team considering the reputation

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Yet Hammond was miles better than Wotton, Harding had a good game, Lambert won nearly every header and set up the goal, Trotman had a good game and we never conceded from set pieces.

At half time we bought on Saga and Thomson who has pace and width !

You just love revelling in this ****e dont you...why do you never ever look for any positives.

 

What is ironic. I have been getting some grief lately for being too positive or unrealistic. When I come down to earth to join the masses I get stick again.

 

I say it how I see it,and yesterday was anything but entertainment or thrilling or just plain good

 

if that is Improvement then Jesus Christ

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Give it to Ron

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What is ironic. I have been getting some grief lately for being too positive or unrealistic. When I come down to earth to join the masses I get stick again.

 

I say it how I see it,and yesterday was anything but entertainment or thrilling or just ain good

 

if that is Improvement then Jesus Christ

 

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it was entertaining or thrilling!

I have been away on holiday but saw the Millwall game on tv in the Lake District surrounded by Millwall fans and 2 other Saints which wa fun ;-) so yesterday was my first live game.

What I do see though is improvement in the players we had last season and start of this.

We do need points and quick but we have improved as a team and I believe in time we will see this turn into results. In a post the other day you said we would struggle until Christmas then push on why change after one game?

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Thedelldays

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Nowhere in any of my posts did I say it was entertaining or thrilling!

I have been away on holiday but saw the Millwall game on tv in the Lake District surrounded by Millwall fans and 2 other Saints which wa fun ;-) so yesterday was my first live game.

What I do see though is improvement in the players we had last season and start of this.

We do need points and quick but we have improved as a team and I believe in time we will see this turn into results. In a post the other day you said we would struggle until Christmas then push on why change after one game?

Where did I say that?

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Yesterday was my first of the season

 

it was probably the worst game I have seen in years and some think it was an improvement lol

 

no pace

no width

no creativity

crap ref

even worse opposition

 

You obviously haven't been to many games over the past few seasons.

 

Even before a ball was kicked last season we all knew we were going to be rubbish given the "play the kids" strategy of the ruddy cheeked tosspot.

 

This season Alan Pardew has began repairing the right-off that was last seasons squad and yesterday we began showing signs of solidity at the back and more control of midfield.

 

At Huddersfield we were swamped because the midfield were dysfunctional and only the heroics of KD prevented the defence being exposed as rubbish.

 

If you cannot recognise the improvement i don't think you really have a clue mate.

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um pahars

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How do you know I never?

 

Because:

 

1) You would regularly post in here telling us when you were going away for a long time (i.e. when you last went under the waves you were predicting Wotte would be our saviour and Plymouth would go down).

 

2) I have a good memory;)

 

I haven't seen a game this season, but by the same token you missed some absolute stinkers last season. I lost count of the number of games that I classed as the worst I have ever seen (winning our second home league game in late February tells it's own story!!!!!!!!)

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Because:

 

1) You would regularly post in here telling us when you were going away for a long time (i.e. when you last went under the waves you were predicting Wotte would be our saviour and Plymouth would go down).

 

2) I have a good memory;)

 

I haven't seen a game this season, but by the same token you missed some absolute stinkers last season. I lost count of the number of games that I classed as the worst I have ever seen (winning our second home league game in late February tells it's own story!!!!!!!!)

 

I missed the last 3 months of last season... Clearly like you icant make them all and Im sure I missed some stinkers

does not change my view that it was one of the worst games I have seen in years. If you disagree then fair enough. It is my opinion

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um pahars

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I missed the last 3 months of last season... Clearly like you icant make them all and Im sure I missed some stinkers

does not change my view that it was one of the worst games I have seen in years. If you disagree then fair enough. It is my opinion

 

And you are indeed entitled to your own opinion.

 

But if yesterday's performance was worse than many of those games under Poortvliet last season (Doncaster, Forest, Barnsley, Watford etc etc etc) then I'm in for a shock!!!

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I am pretty worried as this is relegation form especially as we are -8 - it doesn't look good.

 

Disgusting again - why do we bother?

 

Spineless morons!!!!

 

We are turning it round slowly and to be honest none of us should be surprised given the damage done to the team last year by Lowe, JP and Wotte. Most of us predicted relegation this season unless there was serious managerial and player investment. We have started to see both now, have a decent owner and an ambitious boardroom.

 

It's a matter of time, dont expect a play-off place, but I think we'll be OK this season.... just... and put in a strong performance next.

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Yesterday was my first of the season

 

it was probably the worst game I have seen in years and some think it was an improvement lol

 

no pace

no width

no creativity

crap ref

even worse opposition

 

...and no time for a bunch of new players to gel. Still need to get rid of the young players from last season and replace them with men. But, AP is assembling a team. We wont see instant results. Patience will be key over the next couple of months.

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I thought it was going to be a hard struggle but not this bad. After signing Lambert and The Northampton game l thought l would see some improvement but as yet seen ANY improvement. Were poor yesterday and against Swindon. I did expect better and cannot see any improvement

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Glasgow_Saint

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Unbelievable thread......some fans need a reality check!............this is going to be a long hard haul off the bottom and nobody at the club has ever suggested any different..........

 

? Ap said he wanted top 2! The only people that think we should struggle are the happy clappers on here! Yes we were in admin - so what. Look at Leeds couple of years back and Bournemouth last...... Make excuses if it makes you feel better. Even without the -10 we are in the relegation zone - that's unacceptable and inexcusable!

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No one is saying AP has not improved the side with his signings but lets say there is still a lot to do.

 

The surrender mentality of some of the players is dreadful and needs to be rooted out now.

 

There is a real danger if we do not improve that playling like this with our ten points penalty will take us down.

 

AP needs all our support my complaint is the atitude and mental approach of the players.

Many are just not performing well enough for League 1.

 

And I make no apology for wanting and expecting to see better than our current performances

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I am pretty worried as this is relegation form especially as we are -8 - it doesn't look good.

 

Disgusting again - why do we bother?

 

Spineless morons!!!!

 

FACT

 

We started on -10, and are currently on -8.... and have yet to win aLeague game

 

OK, everybody keeps saying it's too early to criticise, but ..... Unfortunately :-

 

The POINTS Deduction is hanging like a Millstone around Saints neck

 

The Team ARE desperate for a win

 

We do not YET have a Team who can compete in Div 1

 

As games go by, the situation WILL get worse until that first elusive Victory

 

...... and all because one deluded Assh*le thought he could run a Football Club all by himself ...... ( Yesssssss .... I know I've said it all before .... but NEVER forget ..... we did that before ..... and he Got back in )

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Have to agree, particularly given the complete shambles on and off the pitch of last season it was always going to be a tough rebuilding process. I think a few have failed to see just how bad things were at the Club last year (that Porrtvliet interview was very sad reading) and have failed to appreciate the task ahead of us.

 

However, I do think those that are craving immediate success are in the minority. IMHO there is a world of difference between most football fans having a moan about performances and a minority being unrealistic in their expectations.

 

I don't think there's any contradiction in having a moan about poor performances (either by a player or the team as a whole), but at the same time being realistic with our expectations.

 

 

I am moaning about poor performances as I have no high expectations except I was hoping we were not in relegation form

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While I think these are early days and that things will turn out okay, here's the magnitude of the challenge:

 

It took 49 points to stay up in this division last year, so we still need at least 57 points from the remaining 42 games - an average of 1.36 points per game.

 

It took 76 points to make the play-offs - 84 more than we have, so we'd need at least 2.00 ppg to get there.

 

We don't have long to get our sh*t together.

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However, I do think those that are craving immediate success are in the minority. IMHO there is a world of difference between most football fans having a moan about performances and a minority being unrealistic in their expectations.

 

I don't think there's any contradiction in having a moan about poor performances (either by a player or the team as a whole), but at the same time being realistic with our expectations.

 

I don't think hoping for a home win before our third league match at SMS wass 'craving instant success', neither was it an unrealistic expectation.

 

And saying that because of the malaise the club has been in we shouldn't have expected anything else is wrong - this is a new era, we had half a new team out there, a new manager, we are in a league lower than we were last season. Of course I expected a home win by now, and quite reasonably so.

 

I expect things to get better, but then I always have, and for far too many years they haven't.

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I don't think hoping for a home win before our third league match at SMS wass 'craving instant success', neither was it an unrealistic expectation.

 

And saying that because of the malaise the club has been in we shouldn't have expected anything else is wrong - this is a new era, we had half a new team out there, a new manager, we are in a league lower than we were last season. Of course I expected a home win by now, and quite reasonably so.

 

I expect things to get better, but then I always have, and for far too many years they haven't.

 

I could have written that as it sums up my feelings completely

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AP has said the season has come too early, we are signing new players and need time. I think it will come good in the end, but it's a 5 year plan. No one should have predicted promotion this season. You cant instant fix the mess we were in. Though it is disappointing not to be winning games at this awful level i admit

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I don't think hoping for a home win before our third league match at SMS wass 'craving instant success', neither was it an unrealistic expectation.

 

And saying that because of the malaise the club has been in we shouldn't have expected anything else is wrong - this is a new era, we had half a new team out there, a new manager, we are in a league lower than we were last season. Of course I expected a home win by now, and quite reasonably so.

 

I expect things to get better, but then I always have, and for far too many years they haven't.

 

I quite agree and my beef was with the small minority who were getting a tad hysterical about our impending doom and the few weirdo's on here trying to make out that everyone is in uproar and out for Pardew's blood.

 

There's nothing wrong with expecting us to win every game (particularly at home) and having a moan if we don't. As I said in my post I don't see any contradiction in having realistic expectations, yet at the same time wanting us to win every game and having a little moan if we don't.

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we will..but it won't be tomorrow...just keep supporting not knocking and we will suceed.

 

dellgirl - don't want to knock but there were plenty of posts like yours the season we went down from the Prem. Indeed Rupert said our lowly position was just a blip.

 

Saints fans need to keep their heads well and truly above the sand these days.

 

But these days are early days - so let's save judgement until Xmas.

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Yesterday was my first of the season

 

it was probably the worst game I have seen in years and some think it was an improvement lol

 

no pace

no width

no creativity

crap ref

even worse opposition

 

To be fair Delldays there was plenty of width - we just didn't have the creativity as you say to capitalise it. I also thought Brentford were very resilient at the back and quick to close down but for all our nice build play in front of them we couldn't break them down and as Pardew said we lacked imagination. I think we understimate how good Brentford are at this level.

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It is, but it is only TEMPORARY. AP is trying to build a team with limited time to do so, and while the season is on (not his fault, not the new boards fault). He is also trying to get the best out of those young players here last year and subjected to L***'s ridiculous experiment - as many of us said at the time, their confidence could be seriuosly damaged by throwing them into the first team, and so it has proved. AP has to try and rectify that.

 

So, YES it is frustrating. YES, we want to get wins on the board ASAP. But let's all give Alan Pardew and his team all the support they need - little point b*tching about things when everyone is at last starting to do the right things. It just needs time, and togetherness as a club.

 

This season is clearly going to be about getting to mid-table mediocrity, nothing more, so let's support Alan as he tries to breathe life into the dying remnants of a team that he inherited.

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It is, but it is only TEMPORARY. AP is trying to build a team with limited time to do so, and while the season is on (not his fault, not the new boards fault). He is also trying to get the best out of those young players here last year and subjected to L***'s ridiculous experiment - as many of us said at the time, their confidence could be seriuosly damaged by throwing them into the first team, and so it has proved. AP has to try and rectify that.

 

I agree in that the legacy left behind by the discredited Lowe regime and its Revolutionary Coaching Set Up still haunts us.

 

The 10 point handicap, youth players affected by a baptism of fire and being blooded too early, a culture of failure, the disruption of this pre season, the general malaise and disruptions caused by a Revolutionary Coaching Set Up fighting each other, interference from outside the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up etc etc etc will all make AP's job that much harder.

 

I haven't seen any games so far this season, but have to say 2 points from 12 isn't great, but when put in the context of what AP inherited then I think 4 games is way too early to be judging him.

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It really doesn't wash to blame last year's playing of young players in the first team for the poor performances so far. There are only about 4 of last year's young players still in contention for the current first choice 11, and of course some have moved on to clubs in higher divisions, so they seem to have not been damaged! If there are any youth players adversely affected by the managers they played under last year, surely Pardew might have noticed and would not be playing them.

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Yet Hammond was miles better than Wotton, Harding had a good game, Lambert won nearly every header and set up the goal, Trotman had a good game and we never conceded from set pieces.

At half time we bought on Saga and Thomson who has pace and width !

You just love revelling in this ****e dont you...why do you never ever look for any positives.

 

I agree .... Overall, there WAS a noticeable improvement ...... but I wonder if Pardew "appreciated" exactly HOW Brentford got the equaliser ?????

 

.... by one of the oldest moves in the book ....... their player took it virtually to the by line ... and pulled it BACK acroos goal .... for their player to run in on and head in ......... DOES THA SC ENARIO SOUND FAMILIAR ???

 

IT SHOULD ..... Terry Paine used to do that EVERY week ...... and Ron Davies used to head them in

 

Ask ANY defender .... one of the hardest balls to defend against, is the one pulled BACK across the goal .. ie going AWAY from the defence

 

PS ... if anyone from Saints is reading this ... please pass on to Mr Pardew .... no charge ........

 

My next Tip ..... how EVERY goalkeeper can Up his game ....

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JoeShmoe

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Give us a couple of months and we'll be winning regularly. We just need that one result....then it'll all click into place IMO.

 

We all said that

 

a) when we were bottom of the premiership and

b) when we were bottom of the championship

 

You think some people would have learned - you cannot shine a ****e

 

Team needs overhauled and players need to move on - its started already but by god we need a busy transfer day (ins and outs)

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Yesterday was my first of the season

 

it was probably the worst game I have seen in years and some think it was an improvement lol

 

no pace

no width

no creativity

crap ref

even worse opposition

 

I went to a few games last year (5 or 6) and the Swindon game last week. The Swindon game was THE worst performance I have seen from a Saints team in all my 30 years of going to games (and i've seen some bad ones)

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What is ironic. I have been getting some grief lately for being too positive or unrealistic. When I come down to earth to join the masses I get stick again.

 

I say it how I see it,and yesterday was anything but entertainment or thrilling or just plain good

 

if that is Improvement then Jesus Christ

 

 

Funny how people view the same game differently .... Me, I thought we were in with a shout to score ....more so than ANY time last season

 

For me, last season was seeing some very good young Footballers play Pretty Pretty Football, but with no-one Up Front to finish the moves off with a goal

 

We ARE better than last season, and IMHO, slowly but surely, we ARE Improving

 

What AP needs is the hardest thing ... THE FIRST WIN .... that in itself would steady the nerves of the players .... just to see a 3 point chunk of the deficit wiped out ..... at the moment it's like a millstone

 

...... As for your last line .... no point bringing him into the debate ........ everybody knows he had a phobia re crosses ...... ( sorry to the religious fraternity ):D

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On MOTD last night they were commenting on Spuds reaching 9 points in 3 games and comparing them to last season when it took them to November to reach the same amount.

They of course finished the second half of the season strongly to finish in 8th place. Hull of course hit a major collapse and did not win jack ****e after xmas after starting so very well.

 

Different teams and circumstances of course, but the message is the same.

 

Do not write anybody in or off after only 4 games - Especially in our case where our pre-season preparation is actually happening now once the season has started!!!!

 

It will come good I'm sure.

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I agree .... Overall, there WAS a noticeable improvement ...... but I wonder if Pardew "appreciated" exactly HOW Brentford got the equaliser ?????

 

.... by one of the oldest moves in the book ....... their player took it virtually to the by line ... and pulled it BACK acroos goal .... for their player to run in on and head in ......... DOES THA SC ENARIO SOUND FAMILIAR ???

 

IT SHOULD ..... Terry Paine used to do that EVERY week ...... and Ron Davies used to head them in

 

Ask ANY defender .... one of the hardest balls to defend against, is the one pulled BACK across the goal .. ie going AWAY from the defence

 

PS ... if anyone from Saints is reading this ... please pass on to Mr Pardew .... no charge ........

 

My next Tip ..... how EVERY goalkeeper can Up his game ....

 

thought you were describing james setting up Lambert for his first goal for us;)

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