gammon cheeks Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thought the 2 new players did well , but can anyone tell what schnerder ****!! does ? He is so slow and powder puff and completely overrated our midfield is the weak link simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 sounds like its slowly coming together. although the slowness is exasperating. somebody else mentioned there's no cohesion. that is hardly surprising though considering half the team has only played a hanful of games together at most. Just get fish mills or holmes off treatment table by next saturday & hopefully we'll have some left side width in the team. Also think lallana being hung out to dry on left wing. Really want to see him on the right for a number of games before i give up on him. I'd like a right winger though as an alternative though instead of thomson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thought the 2 new players did well , but can anyone tell what schnerder ****!! does ? He is so slow and powder puff and completely overrated our midfield is the weak link simple as that. I thought he played alright today. Would prefer him to Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I don't what was worse brentford themselves or the fact we could not beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought he played alright today. Would prefer him to Wotton.[/quote Hammond replaced wotton. Gillet should replace Morgan. We need more width as well and a decent striker with lambert , but a lot better than the swindon game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Much better performance then our last. We created a few chances of which we should of taken. Hit the post and our Chelsea lad missed a complete and utter sitter of a header from like 2cm out. Overall the team was quite compact but the same problems persist that have been here for the last 2 seasons. Lack creativity going forward and lack knowledge of dealing with set pieces. We give so many freekicks away it is criminal... The new boys did well i felt with Trotman maybe picking up motm for me. Hammond also did well. However as with the previous games we lack the ability to go forward. Lallana can't pass for **** so naturally wasted basically every corner we got. As i said last few games it is just not going for him. Thomson is young and not ready for first team football. Mellis i think is the same but had flashes of ability. Morgan again was not really in the game that much for me and it is a problem, that said he had a couple of shots at least with one near the end that was saved. Reading peoples views i do wonder if i was at the same game. The team did not play that bad, better then we have, we showed a lot of improvement. Brentford are a decent team. A draw was a fair result based on the fact we had a better 1st half and they had the 2nd. However i think we should of got a penalty at the end as looked hand ball to me! If we can add a midfielder who unlike Adam can pass but more importantly run at the defence and cross we will be alright. We got a week or so until the transfer window shuts and i hope we can ditch some of our players i.e Wotten,Pullis etc and get some others in. It is a long long season and having seen every game i can see that with a couple of more signings we will do fine. The best players have been the ones brought in since AP came in, i have faith he will get the one or two that will make everything click into place. So not the best performance but a much better performance then midweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I think I'll take the word of someone who was there rather than the knee-jerk reactions of people who weren't. This was always going to take time. Well I was there Bill and it was dire. Pardew doesn't have an excuse for setting up the team the way he did. Lallana and Melis were playground footballers sitting 20 yds inside the touchline and coming inside. They created nothing and gave no options to our midfield or defence. we were the usual narrow rubbish. Improved for a while when Saganowski and Thompson came on then we stopped passing to him. Lallana is hopeless, he's not a team player and plays anywhere the fancy takes him. As long as he is picked we will have no width and he isn't quick enough to play as a striker. We need two wide players with pace and until we work that out we are going to get turned over. FFS it was the left back that scored. We were done up like a kipper, runner down the left to the byeline, centre backs sucked over, great low cross towards the penalty spot and a cracking diving header went in like a rocket. Everything we lack. Just the sort of thing we lack on both sides of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The new guys played well but there are three or four players who are just out of their depth. Brentford played like a team had more pace and width and wanted to win more. When Saints conceded the goal they just gave up.That was the most upsetting aspect of the whole game. Saints covered their lack of belief when the goal went in against them wiith a final minute push up the park but they made no attempt to go and get the winner before that. Hoof went the ball anywhere, hooooooooooooof. I know we have a big squa already but there were the usual failures on the park who never deliver. The sooner their contracts run out the better.For goodness sake get Saga and Rasiak off the books they dont want to be here. We looked a poor league 1 team. Oh dear that's what we are but with a ten point penalty to overcome. Their goal was a disgrace. He must thave run past 3-4 Saints players . Actually he ran from just over the half way line got to the by line and crossed it over. Truly phish poor from Saints We managed to turn a potential win into what seems like a loss. The end of the season should be exciting being in a relegation battle. Needless to say they will play well against Birmingham when there is no pressure or points at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 A massive improvement.The new midfielder and defender did well. Perry made a fantastic stop to save the point.Played the gentleman excuse me for their equaliser, why he was allowed to run???? Saga started to chase him and then gave up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Just got home and though disappointed by the way we let Brentford back into the game I was pleased to see the improvement. We scored at a time when we were getting control. The goal was well worked and Harding took it well. In fact Harding had his best game for us. I didn't like the way we stopped playing after scoring as though to frightened by what they had just done. Hammond had a reasonable game and we looked much more sturdy in midfield. Trotman had a great start and apart from a couple of blunders he should a lot of presence in our box. Will also be a threat in other teams box when crosses improve. If AP can find us a decent winger or two we will start to look like a useful team and will begin winning more and more often. We still seem to have the we are much to good for this league mentality. We are not and must learn to walk again before we can rise once more to the upper echelons of English football. The game today is just that, a small first step as we learn to walk. the additions will help and we may yet find one or two more to help us further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thanks, Dave. That's good enough for me - but disappointing to read. For the life of me I don't understand why these managers don't see the value and importance of width. Even going back to Strachan we were far too quick to sacrifice our width. Every time we played Fabrice Fernandes on the right and watched him cut inside and get lost I wanted to punch myself in the nuts. Any good signs? Have we made good signings? Is this going to come good in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Quick match report 1st half absolute shyte (get rid of patterson & mellis too lightweight) 2nd half moderately shyte (get rid of James & Thompson too lightweight) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 (edited) Thanks, Dave. That's good enough for me - but disappointing to read. For the life of me I don't understand why these managers don't see the value and importance of width. Even going back to Strachan we were far too quick to sacrifice our width. Every time we played Fabrice Fernandes on the right and watched him cut inside and get lost I wanted to punch myself in the nuts. Any good signs? Have we made good signings? Is this going to come good in the end? The question is aimed elsewhere but IMO yes the new midfielder was tidy and had a will to win.He wont score many.The centre back comfortable but still has a bit to learn. I enjoyed the game and unfortunately many fans still think because they are not a big name we have a right to win.I had a fan behind me moaning that we should beat this lot 5-0 and the game had only just kicked off!! Brentford worked hard and caused plenty of problems. To get out of the relegatinon places will be the most we should hope for at present.We need a win to calm the nerves. Edited 22 August, 2009 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Well i was there and didn't think it was anywhere near as bad as some above... Very frustrating result but i saw a lot more potential and we matched them physically, which we haven't done much of this season. Width and pace are the key things missing, but there was plenty to build on today IMO. I agree Minty. I enjoyed the game. It's clear that Pardew is making progress but as expected there is still a lot more to be done. I thought Mellis showed some promise but I don't see Thompson and Lallana as the players to give us the width we need. Also have to say that the armchair warriors on the first 20 or so posts on here who presume to give judgement without actually seeing the game really make me laugh. If I miss the game I wait to read comments form people who were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrimd Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I thought we looked much better second half because of thomson. Not so much because he played particularly well, just that he stayed out wide and gave us an option, plus created more space infield for the midfield, thus giving them more time to use the ball properly. AL only decided to play in the last 15 mins. Amazed people thought it was so awful. It was not good first half but much much better second half and only looked like 1 team was going to win. With a few more games playing together, with Mills, Holmes and McClaggon(sp) back, we will definately get there. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why do we have a divine right to beat anyone in this league, or any league in fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 22 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The new guys played well but there are three or four players who are just out of their depth. Brentford played like a team had more pace and width and wanted to win more. When Saints conceded the goal they just gave up.That was the most upsetting aspect of the whole game. Saints covered their lack of belief when the goal went in against them wiith a final minute push up the park but they made no attempt to go and get the winner before that. Hoof went the ball anywhere, hooooooooooooof. I know we have a big squa already but there were the usual failures on the park who never deliver. The sooner their contracts run out the better.For goodness sake get Saga and Rasiak off the books they dont want to be here. We looked a poor league 1 team. Oh dear that's what we are but with a ten point penalty to overcome. Their goal was a disgrace. He must thave run past 3-4 Saints players . Actually he ran from just over the half way line got to the by line and crossed it over. Truly phish poor from Saints We managed to turn a potential win into what seems like a loss. The end of the season should be exciting being in a relegation battle. Needless to say they will play well against Birmingham when there is no pressure or points at stake. What, was he slouching in an "I don't want to play for Saints" kind of way sat on the bench? :-s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Quick match report 1st half absolute shyte (get rid of patterson & mellis too lightweight) 2nd half moderately shyte (get rid of James & Thompson too lightweight) disagree about the second half , especially the first 30 mins where we upped the pace and got in their faces. we have to accept we are watching 3rd division football and that we are a side being build from nothing playing against some very combative teams who have been together for a few years, Just because we have a nice stadium, a decent academy does not mean the opposition have to lie down in fact the surroundings spur them on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why do we have a divine right to beat anyone in this league, or any league in fact? Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Any good signs? Have we made good signings? Is this going to come good in the end? All the signings have been good i have thought but the problem is the players we already had. The rot has set in deep and will take time to get them playing with confidence. We have basically had a 2 year nightmare where everything that could hinder us has happened. We have gone into this season not having a pre-season. As pardew said on the radio on the way back we are having to have that now. The players are having to learn quickly. I am confident we will go on to survive this season and get promoted next year. We have a lot of things in the club itself needing to be sorted. Such as the coaching side, we need more staff in, scouting etc etc we need to become more proffesional and re-build a club from top to bottom. We were just a shell of a club under the last days of the Lowe empire. Add to that we have a lot of players at this club who are not good enough to be here or don't want to be here. Those players need to be removed, that takes time. As someone else mentioned people need to stop thinking like we deserve to be winning every week because we are Southampton. We were poor last year and that does not change over night. I'm sure by xmas we will be doing much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Quick match report 1st half absolute shyte (get rid of patterson & mellis too lightweight) 2nd half moderately shyte (get rid of James & Thompson too lightweight) Have they caught the guy who obviously shot James and Thomson with a tranquiliser gun yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thanks for your perspectives nickh and Marco. I suspect we're going to be like the stock market - a U-shaped bottom rather than a V-shaped bottom! As you said, Marco, "that does not change over night". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Thanks, Dave. That's good enough for me - but disappointing to read. For the life of me I don't understand why these managers don't see the value and importance of width. Even going back to Strachan we were far too quick to sacrifice our width. Every time we played Fabrice Fernandes on the right and watched him cut inside and get lost I wanted to punch myself in the nuts. Any good signs? Have we made good signings? Is this going to come good in the end? Most of these academy players wouldn't get in a decent reserve side. There is no excuse in my opinion for Pardew allowing the lack of width. Width and pace is fundamental. Nobody in front of the back four has any pace, that together with the awful narrow formation is destroying us. With Murty back the defensive five is reasonably solid. The two central midfielders could run things for us if we get a couple of direct pacy wingers. We have plenty of strikers to get goals if we can get down the lines. Schneiderlin told Lallana to get wide but he turned his back on him. I'm surprised he didn't slip him a couple of hospital balls. I think Schneiderlin is looking worse than he is because he has no wide options. I think Schneiderlin should start rolling the ball out wide and show up Lallana because he isn't where he should be, and don't pass to him if he stays inside. It would be worth a few throw ins if he learnt to play wide. It is a problem trying to get central players to play wide and especially on the wrong side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Six of this team were not good enough to win more than 2 games at home last season. When the only players remaining from last season are the ones who can play football AND have the strength of MENTALITY to WIN football matches, then we have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Why does lallana play what does lallana do take any money for him quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Have they caught the guy who obviously shot James and Thomson with a tranquiliser gun yet? Jake Thompson needs to watch a video of MLT in his younger days, he needs to try things and realise that some times they may not come off but sometimes they will, the ball is like a red hot spud to him at present. AP should start with him on Tuesday and tell him to just keep taking on the full back, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I have always maintained that we should have got rid of the enitre f**king squad to cleanse the club of it's dreadful losing culture when the takeover occured and started again from scratch. Results like this do nothing to convince me I was wrong... I agree there is a rotten core at sfc's centre, the players somehow have the mentallity that because they are wearing a saints shirt then nothing too much is expected of them. If i was Liebhier I would have got rid of the whole lot and as you say started from scratch even davis, because the club desperately needed to be re-born. It needed a fresh team of players with no prior history of having played for us before, and it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility we'd have had to pay a few contracts up but the majority were out of contract anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sad saints fan Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Well having been to tuesdays game, today was a distinct improvement. I am sorry for you impatient ones but I think we are going in the right direction and you may well have to be frustrated for several more weeks.We will be good enough to get out of the relegation places but it wont be for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 what ****ed me off today was their goal. Their winger picked up the ball near enough on the half way line and ran and ran! Seemed to just skip ast 4 of our lads to the by line and then put a cross into the box where their player who seemed to be unmarked....GOAL! FFS this is basic football. Everyone sat around by us knew the goal was coming! I would have ****ted him hard and knocked him to the kingsland and taken a yellow for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Is this the slowest team we have ever had also. How rubbish are the officials at this level I thought Harding and trottman were brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 what ****ed me off today was their goal. Their winger picked up the ball near enough on the half way line and ran and ran! Seemed to just skip ast 4 of our lads to the by line and then put a cross into the box where their player who seemed to be unmarked....GOAL! FFS this is basic football. Everyone sat around by us knew the goal was coming! I would have ****ted him hard and knocked him to the kingsland and taken a yellow for it! Exactly, like the way Schneiderlin was clobbered from behind when he was getting through. Great execution, I wish we would do that, it was classic wing play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Is this the slowest team we have ever had also. How rubbish are the officials at this level I thought Harding and trottman were brilliant Harding is quality, what a coup to get on a free. I agree re: pace though, reading Pard's comments though he's identified that we don't use the width enough....now as we don't really have wingers at the moment, i hope that he'll now go out and grab some pacey wide men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 what ****ed me off today was their goal. Their winger picked up the ball near enough on the half way line and ran and ran! Seemed to just skip ast 4 of our lads to the by line and then put a cross into the box where their player who seemed to be unmarked....GOAL! FFS this is basic football. Everyone sat around by us knew the goal was coming! I would have ****ted him hard and knocked him to the kingsland and taken a yellow for it! Yes you could see it coming. Everyone just seemed to stand off him. Had Murty and not James been there may be it would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 As mentioned before a great improvement from Tuesday. Our best periods coincided with Hammond controlling the game. As he takes more control we will play better, we have lacked a leader in midfield for more years than I care to remember. I think Hammond and Schneiderlin will form a very effective partnership. Now for some effective wide players for them to spread the play to. Sadly both Mellis and Thompson failed to take their chance today. Good to see decisive substitutions at half time today, unlike Tuesday!! ps: I would also say great run for their goal, sometimes you just have to give credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I can see alot of improvement in the team and felt the new players we have got made a positive impact, have to say I was impressed with saga's intensity and hope if patterson starts more he can use saga as insperation in that be more physical with and get stuck in. Wish we had won but do feel the team are comming together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Trottman and harding were positives. No width whatsoever too many lightweight youngsters. Funniest part of the game Brentford singing YOURE NOT FAMOUS ANYMORE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Funniest part of the game Brentford singing YOURE NOT FAMOUS ANYMORE. And our reply of "we don't know who you are, we don't know who you are..." And as someone said earlier, the refs in this league are total garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 We didn't begin well BUT we did get better in the second half..keep the faith Neither Rome nor Saints renewed were built in a day..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Am I the only one who really didn't think we played that badly? I would say a draw was a fair result and Brentford were really not a bad team. Certainly not worse than some I have seen in the past from higher divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Width and pace is fundamental. Nobody in front of the back four has any pace, that together with the awful narrow formation is destroying us. With Murty back the defensive five is reasonably solid. The two central midfielders could run things for us if we get a couple of direct pacy wingers. We have plenty of strikers to get goals if we can get down the lines. It is frustrating ATM, but (IMHO), AP has 3 transfer windows to get things right. In this window he's strengthened the spine of the team. Hopefully, he'll continue to do the same at Christmas. When he's established a solid base for the team, next summer he can add the "icing on the cake" by adding a bit of flare and pace in the form of a couple of good wingers. First things first for me, and I thought I could start to see some signs of progress this afternoon. Get the team playing well, and results will take care of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 (edited) Most of these academy players wouldn't get in a decent reserve side. There is no excuse in my opinion for Pardew allowing the lack of width. Width and pace is fundamental. Nobody in front of the back four has any pace, that together with the awful narrow formation is destroying us. With Murty back the defensive five is reasonably solid. The two central midfielders could run things for us if we get a couple of direct pacy wingers. We have plenty of strikers to get goals if we can get down the lines. Schneiderlin told Lallana to get wide but he turned his back on him. I'm surprised he didn't slip him a couple of hospital balls. I think Schneiderlin is looking worse than he is because he has no wide options. I think Schneiderlin should start rolling the ball out wide and show up Lallana because he isn't where he should be, and don't pass to him if he stays inside. It would be worth a few throw ins if he learnt to play wide. It is a problem trying to get central players to play wide and especially on the wrong side. Wingers are to a great extent born, not made. It isn't within Lallana's capabilities to be a pacy wide player who runs and crosses. I think we all know that and the question is more whether he should be retained for any other qualities? I'm increasingly unsure about that. Mellis couldn't produce anything on either the left or right and is clearly not a winger. He had a clear chance to score, lost his marbles and made a horrible mess of it. Unless he was ill I can't see a future for him. Thompson's performance was probably as shocking as we will ever see. He just didn't know what to do out there and the game escaped him completely. He may be back one day, but shouldn't be for a long time. Schneiderlin didn't perform again. He is not providing dominance. What is he there to do I keep wondering. Paterson was used as the runner to Lambert and didn't perform the role well. He's no runner, he is an inexperienced target man and performed best when he was paired with Saga as his runner. Saga did much better when he came on. On the positive side Harding did well, as did Hammond (he may become very dominant eventually), Lambert, Trotman (with his head, not his feet, which were somewhat comical), Perry and, I thought for the first time, that James did OK. But we need help with wide players who can, like Ted Bates once said about Terry Paine, "put the boil on". There is nobody around at the moment to do that, so to many times there is a question of what to do with the ball. There should always be a winger to play it to. Edited 22 August, 2009 by Clifford Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 i love being a saints fan, gotta be postive though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Wingers are to a great extent born, not made. It isn't withing Lallana's capabilities to be a pacy wide player who runs and crosses. I think we all know that and the question is more whether he should be retained for any other qualities? I'm increasingly unsure about that. Mellis couldn't produce anything on either the left or right and is clearly not a winger. He had a clear chance to score, lost his marbles and made a horrible mess of it. Thompson's performance was probably as shocking as we will ever see. He just didn't know what to do out there and the game escaped him completely. He may be back, but shouldn't be for a long time. Schneiderlin didn't perform again. He is not providing dominance. Paterson was used as the runner to Lambert and didn't perform the role well. He's no runner, he is an inexperienced target man and performed best when he was paired with Saga as his runner. On the positive side Harding did well, as did Hammond (he may become very dominant eventually), Lambert, Trotman (with his head, not his feet, which were somewhat comical), Perry and I thought for the first time that James did OK. But we need help with wide players who can like Ted Bates once said about Terry Paine "can put the boil on". There is nobody around at the moment to do that, so to many times there is a question of what to do with the ball. There should always be a winger to play it to. A fair report although possibly too kind to James who crossed the ball like he had a shovel for a foot. But.............. Patience is a virtue us fans do not have. I was shocked at Huddersfield at our ineptness and although there were promising signs today we have far to many light weights (James, Thomson, Patterson, Schneiderlein, Lallana) for this Division. Pardew made some strange remarks in last night's Echo which implied us fans would be made a lot clearer as to the direction the club would be heading in 3-4 weeks. He said (from memory) that some players would go and then we would get some in and then the fans would see the club's agenda. He added that he didn't want to create a mystery about it all and it would be plain in a few weeks. Very intriguing I thought. It would be easy to come on here and let of steam tonight because it was so very frustrating at SMS today especially having to watch James and Thompson put in such a pathetic 2nd half and then see the Brentford full back complete a barnstorming run and cross but I do think we will have to give it at least 3 months before we cast judgement. Interesting how Charlton have regained their composure mind you. Shows I suppose it is possible to turn a club around in a short period of time and correct me if I am wrong they have done it on a shoestring??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Lallana needs to be dropped asap... Or as soon as mills or holmes can play that lad needs to learn the team game IMO good step overs no end product what so ever, quite slow and very weak. Not for us at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Better performance but then it could not get worse than Swindon. Patterson should have had a hattrick but could not hit a barn door and James and Lallana's performances were again dire. Sort those jokers out and we will have a side that can do well this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Pardew made some strange remarks in last night's Echo which implied us fans would be made a lot clearer as to the direction the club would be heading in 3-4 weeks. He said (from memory) that some players would go and then we would get some in and then the fans would see the club's agenda. He added that he didn't want to create a mystery about it all and it would be plain in a few weeks. Very intriguing I thought. Interesting how Charlton have regained their composure mind you. Shows I suppose it is possible to turn a club around in a short period of time and correct me if I am wrong they have done it on a shoestring??? I heard Pard's say that on SaintsTV...very interesting i felt too. I hazard a guess he was implying the future of the 2 poles. Regarding Charlton....i don't think they've lost many players (maybe 1?) and another aspect of why they've started so well is because they've kept the same structure in place from last year. And actually, in terms of form, they finished the season (last 10 games) last year as one of the best teams. So in a sense, they were mentally relegated quite early..so they just started preparing for L1 before anyone else, the pressure was off them i guess. In that sense...it's given them a couple of months head start on us. Obviously we haven't had that luxury and we will be playing catchup for a few more weeks yet i fear. I know who i blame for that, but i'm not going to post it in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Just got back and my considered opinion after a few beers is.....arghh! I want to get angry with someone...this is Div 3 FFS can't we beat anyone FFS? Whole team should be sacked FFS etc etc...... If you couldn't tell the above was me joking. I actually didn't think we were that bad though it was gutting to see us draw with a side that apart from the goal didn't really trouble us that much. The problem seemed to me to be that we couldn't really turn possession into goal scoring chances and it's been that way for a while. Our crosses when they came rarely beat the first man. We don't play with width and that needs to be addressed but I didn't see many players out there who were dire or terrible. In fact the only player I'd level that at was Thompson (Thomson?) who was awful. I feel bad criticising a young player but I've never seen him have a good game and I don't think he should be anywhere near the 1st team. As for the rest of them? They were OK and playing together in a settled side should sort them out - we badly need time to coach them to play as a team though. I wouldn't say we need wholesale changes but it would be good to get either Mills or Holmes fit again, possibly a right winger and I guess someone with pace up front but for a team looking to get mid table status then I'd say we weren't too far off having a team capable of that and maybe more given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Interesting that the 3 leading contenders for mom are all new arrivals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Interesting that the 3 leading contenders for mom are all new arrivals? Definitely. The weak links today were all youth players from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Trotman and Harding played well. Morgan was ok in the middle, I didn't think that much of Hammond - he gave the ball away cheaply far too often. How Paterson got a start with Saga and Rasiak on the bench I will never know. He isn't good enough - poor touch, poor finisher, I don't know what he offers. Lambert started well but faded in the second half. To be fair he was doing the work of two strikers and two wingers in the first half. Saga gave his all, and I think Rasiak played well when he came on. Their situations need to be resolved - I hope we keep them both. Mellis was very poor, Lallana is didn't play well but he isn't a winger. Thompson didn't do much, but I reckon he would be better with Murty behind him. The right flank was vulnerable all game and James was found wanting defensively. I still can't understand Paterson starting, it's doing my head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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