Wotte's not got a job then ???

[John Boy Saint]

You mean she smelt of Edam .... ?????

 

Very good. :smt082:smt082

[Saint_Ash]

Last Saturday morning about 7 he was getting on a Flybe flight to Nice in france. I was sat next to him in the departure lounge reading the Cortese interview in the Echo!

[John Boy Saint]

This thread should be renamed Wotte Watch or Where's Wotte

[um pahars]

Whoever it is, he was up past 2am last night.

 

So did the troll confess to have all those multiple identities whilst I was away, or is he saying that it's his kids et al that are logging on????

[Wes Tender]

So did the troll confess to have all those multiple identities whilst I was away, or is he saying that it's his kids et al that are logging on????

 

You have to be careful calling him a troll, Steve. He denies it. I'd prefer to believe that he develops a fixation about certain people and then has to spend a certain amount of his waking hours each day indulging his fixation. I'm still unsure whether it is all the same person, or other family members with the same condition, but Flashman and Sundance fixated on Crouch, whereas Nineteen fixates on MLT and McMenemy seemingly.

[um pahars]

You have to be careful calling him a troll, Steve. He denies it. I'd prefer to believe that he develops a fixation about certain people and then has to spend a certain amount of his waking hours each day indulging his fixation. I'm still unsure whether it is all the same person, or other family members with the same condition, but Flashman and Sundance fixated on Crouch, whereas Nineteen fixates on MLT and McMenemy seemingly.

 

LMFAO. Of course he's a troll, always looking for the antagonistic angle;) (I see Matty is the latest stooge for his trolling).

 

I thought Ponty confirmed it was the same person before I went away saying that 19C was afforded an amnesty after Sundance was banned.

 

Now if it's his kids posting on here as well, then I think we need to as it would be wrong to be giving them a hard time if it's only their father who is the troll.

 

Ponty et al, what's the form for different people using the same user name???

[Nineteen Canteen]

In the past i have never passed judgement on any of your posts as despite some of the rubbish,you have made some valid points but i am afraid this really takes the buiscuit.

Where would any proffessional footballer be now if he hadnt had somebody to give up his time on a saturday or sunday to run the local kids sides.

I know several people who give up a lot of time for the kids and they certainly do not do it for the glory or their egos.

It is quite understandable why some people take such an offence to you at times.

 

I think it's far to say most are motivated by their son's involvement in football and the coach without that sole motivation is a very rare and important beast.

[Nineteen Canteen]

You complete w@nker. Have you any idea how much time and money goes into running a youth football team? And how many people give up their time for no recompense to help run the various clubs? Clearly not. :mad:

 

Yes on both counts, from treasurer, secretary, manager, ref, put upon parent and fund raiser and at county and district schools and FA rep teams.

 

I still stand by my opinion that the motivation of many of those involved is to encourage and promote their own off spring and the result and league position is more important than the unbias development of the individual player and the enjoyment of playing the game.

 

You can spot the type of person I'm talking about and invariably they have the team track suits with their initial and are all smiles and bravado until the first 'dodgy' decision goes against them and he starts giving his team hell. Their physical profile suggests their football experience has come from the telly and a few cans of Stella and have not played the game since their school days under a RSM of a PE Teacher.

 

Stereotype? Yes, I'm afraid so and one you can see on every council pitch every Saturday or Sunday. Their are some brilliant exceptions to this rule but you are deluded if you think they are the norm and those motivated solely by their desire to help kids play football should be treasured.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I take it you didn't get to the interview stage either then.

 

LOL - no - the profile didn't fit....

[DT]

Yes on both counts, from treasurer, secretary, manager, ref, put upon parent and fund raiser and at county and district schools and FA rep teams.

 

I still stand by my opinion that the motivation of many of those involved is to encourage and promote their own off spring and the result and league position is more important than the unbias development of the individual player and the enjoyment of playing the game.

 

You can spot the type of person I'm talking about and invariably they have the team track suits with their initial and are all smiles and bravado until the first 'dodgy' decision goes against them and he starts giving his team hell. Their physical profile suggests their football experience has come from the telly and a few cans of Stella and have not played the game since their school days under a RSM of a PE Teacher.

 

Stereotype? Yes, I'm afraid so and one you can see on every council pitch every Saturday or Sunday. Their are some brilliant exceptions to this rule but you are deluded if you think they are the norm and those motivated solely by their desire to help kids play football should be treasured.

nasty people in the world shock

 

any kids yourself?

[Nineteen Canteen]

I thought you helped out with the Peter Houseman league in North Hants in another existence.

still seems like your comments are made a few more posters apreciate what a 100% pratt you are

 

I've helped in a lot of leagues Mike and in different sports and that is why I am confident in my opinions. TH FA's respect campaign is a step in the right direction but many are still purely playing lip service to it.

 

Are you seriosuly telling me that junior teams don't poach the best players from smaller sides especially through the age groups so that more and more teams find it impossible to get the players or simply get weary of being thrashed by these 'super' teams winning everything as a result of a zealous manager whose personal ambitions are greater than the development of youth football.

 

I could give you many examples and one in particular from last season and unconnected to me in any way (before anyone asks). Manager of one of these super teams whose star player happened to be his son and over the space of three season's 'tapped up' players from other teams to create an unbeatable team and effectively over time reduced the opposition from two divisions to one. Last season Manager's son gets signed on by a league club manager walks away and a lot of good players now without a team and tragically probably tarnished by their experience instead of the benefits had they stayed with their original teams.

 

I can actually give you two more examples even worse than that before we start looking at grown men balling out 9 and 10 year olds. We are pulling the wool over our eyes if we think those in youth football are doing a wonderful job - in my experience they are very much in the minority.

[WealdSaint]

I think it's far to say most are motivated by their son's involvement in football and the coach without that sole motivation is a very rare and important beast.

 

Having travelled all around the area last season following my son's under 10's (where I am a spectator nothing more) I would totally disagree.

 

Many of the managers have been managing for years, and the ones who do have boys in the team are SO careful to be neutral.

 

These boys leagues are where the next generation of Mick Channons, MLT etc. are going to come from.

[70's Mike]

I've helped in a lot of leagues Mike and in different sports and that is why I am confident in my opinions. TH FA's respect campaign is a step in the right direction but many are still purely playing lip service to it.

 

Are you seriosuly telling me that junior teams don't poach the best players from smaller sides especially through the age groups so that more and more teams find it impossible to get the players or simply get weary of being thrashed by these 'super' teams winning everything as a result of a zealous manager whose personal ambitions are greater than the development of youth football.

 

I could give you many examples and one in particular from last season and unconnected to me in any way (before anyone asks). Manager of one of these super teams whose star player happened to be his son and over the space of three season's 'tapped up' players from other teams to create an unbeatable team and effectively over time reduced the opposition from two divisions to one. Last season Manager's son gets signed on by a league club manager walks away and a lot of good players now without a team and tragically probably tarnished by their experience instead of the benefits had they stayed with their original teams.

 

I can actually give you two more examples even worse than that before we start looking at grown men balling out 9 and 10 year olds. We are pulling the wool over our eyes if we think those in youth football are doing a wonderful job - in my experience they are very much in the minority.

 

Think you will find that those doing good jobs are in the majority, yes there are one or two glory hunting clubs in the Tyro, but they represent say 20 sides out of the 200 plus in the 5 age groups and the same applies in the Mid Solent league.

I ran sides for many years with my sons in and without them and have rarely seen grown men ball out 9 and 10 year olds, maybe it is the company you keep.

With out all these volunteers the game at all levels in this country would eventually die as a spectator sport because it is there time, effort and money that produces the future stars because the education system no longer activily supports sport,

At SMS today the Under 10 Academy side were going through their paces at half time where do you think most of them come from in football terms

[Nineteen Canteen]

Think you will find that those doing good jobs are in the majority, yes there are one or two glory hunting clubs in the Tyro, but they represent say 20 sides out of the 200 plus in the 5 age groups and the same applies in the Mid Solent league.

I ran sides for many years with my sons in and without them and have rarely seen grown men ball out 9 and 10 year olds, maybe it is the company you keep.

With out all these volunteers the game at all levels in this country would eventually die as a spectator sport because it is there time, effort and money that produces the future stars because the education system no longer activily supports sport,

At SMS today the Under 10 Academy side were going through their paces at half time where do you think most of them come from in football terms

 

Mike I respect your knowledge and opinions but in my experience can only presume 'it's the company I keep' and the leagues I have been involved in and the district and county junior teams. I'm not denying where our future stars come from but that doesn't mean to say the structure is right and managed correctly regardless of the fact it is run by volunteers. Other sports are run far more professionally run and certainly not taken as seriously at such a young age.

 

I've had involvement/insight with/to various academies, Saints, Oxford, Reading and Chelsea. Do you think these academies are run to suit the development of youth players and can they tell at under 10's when players have not developed and thereon their different growth spurts may actually see slower growing more talented players put aside for a couple of chunky charlies who by 16/17 would be better off playing rugby?

 

I would like to see clubs do away with academies especially at pre-teens because I doubt we shall see any of those U10's playing for Saints and IMO very few if any will be playing at U13's. Not only that some of the parents of those young lads will have a massive commitment in terms of time and travel and a negative impact on the players family life, health and education.

 

I'm aware of a young u12 Chelsea player who couldn't cope with the stress of the academy because of school, study, travel, parent stress etc. Parents were disappointed, the club was disappointed but the player relieved moreover non-plussed. Did it matter him dropping out? Well for a huge academy when did the last product of the their academy play first team football on a regular basis for Chelsea?

 

I would love to see regionally / county run FA schools of excellence run by a mixture of paid and volunteer coaches but all with coaching badges and to run mini leagues within the centres and a freedom for youngsters to play with their local club side which is an opportunity that will be robbed of those under 10s today who will still want to play with their mates and enjoy themselves and why should they be robbed of their childhood by a mercenary football club?

 

I agree the education system has let all sport down and IMO there is no excuse for every school to have a team and play after school matches in a league made of teams from schools in their district. this would feed the current but valuable haphazard district teams and then onto players getting county honours via a far more equitable system.

 

There are good volunteers at grass roots but IMO to many bad apples motivated for the wrong reasons of personal ambition or they are only in it because of their son's involvement and when he stops playing for whatever reason the manager and all that experience tends to walk leaving a big hole. IMO the recent FA campaigns don't address the real issues and training and retention of those managers/volunteers once their initial motivation for involvement has passed and the glory hunters basically need to have the tools taken from them to be able to take players from other teams or outside their catchment area as it diminishes competition and size of leagues.

 

The real heros though are the volunteers with the dubious and thankless privilege of running the leagues. Have you ever got involved with any of that? I haven't but any league secretary has my sympathies.

Edited 23 August, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen

[Fan The Flames]

Boy's football is the 21st century equivalent to the grown man's train set. A chance to live their own dreams not through trains and the desire to a be a driver but through young boys and the desire to discover or be the next big thing in management. All a bit sad really.

 

Just like your postings are your chance to live out your dreams of being a Daily Mail columnist. Only a mentalists list of hate figures would include those helping out at kids football. All a bit sad really.

[SaintRobbie]

I know why Wotte hasn't got a job yet... it's because he is utterly useless.

[Jonnyboy]

He should give half his comp/year pay off, to his friend JP, who is out of pocket and still recovering from a big knife wound...right between his shoulder blades.

 

too right