bungle Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 England batting. Still not confident about how many runs we can get, I think we desperately need a good start.
notnowcato Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 1/47 and looking a lot better Enough of the 1 for 47 thank you!! 47 for 1.
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 cook, bopara have been shyyyyyt all series.. still makes you laugh at the god awful stick KP got at the start...lol
ribbo Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 Cook gone, caught ponting 12/1 very much off the boil... ....coat time.
Saint Martini Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 Decent recovery. I'm impressed with Straus. He seems to be better with the responsibility of being captain then without.
bungle Posted 20 August, 2009 Author Posted 20 August, 2009 Did anyone else spot Torres in the crowd? Also, I love all the negative comments on this thread. Brilliant.
Iowsaintsfan Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 (edited) Ian (The Sherminator) Bell gets 50 didnt see Torres though did see Lily Edited 20 August, 2009 by Iowsaintsfan
saint1977 Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 As I type, Johnson's over is taking on Harmison-type levels of no-balls. Poor dismissals by Colly (who I just don't think is England calibre Test top 6 player, in spite of a wonderful attitude, yes he has saved us at times but one good innings a series shouldn't keep you in automatically), Prior and Freddie. Pitch is two-paced but need 350-400 even so. Cook got a good one from Siddle and Bell slightly unfortunate with an inside edge. Trott looks composed under pressure and with an adjustment to play slightly straighter should do well at this level. Welcome to England Test side Jonathon, where the so-called senior players (bar Strauss) leave you to do all the work....
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 hmm, so i go out when we are looking pretty good for a slow point build and now come home to a collapse...... good ol england
Crab Lungs Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 We're still in with a shout, 330-350 might just be 'par' on this pitch - and the surface is deteriorating. Swann's performance with the ball could be pivotal. Hopefully Broad can come in tomorrow and smack it around a bit, then we can have a right go at the Aussies straight after. Think there is definitely going to be twists and turns quite literally in this deciding test...
chrisobee Posted 20 August, 2009 Posted 20 August, 2009 It's fine criticising the England team but when you look for alternatives especially in the batting who really would have been a better option than those selected ? No coincidence that the names being bandied around included Ramprakash and Trescothick. If Trescothick had the right mind set he would still be a regular in the team, sadly he hasn't though being a top sportsman does not preclude you from suffering from stress/mental problems. Of course Thedelldays is right about KP and whatever you think of his attititude/arrogance only Strauss comes close to being in the same league as a batsman. It's been a problem for years and again no coincidence that we often pick wicket keepers as much for their batting as their wicket keeping ability. I agree with Hatch that 2 spinners might have been a good option ( Rashid took 5 for Yorks again today and is certainly one for the future) but I'm hoping that Harmison might just repay the faith of the selectors.
dubai_phil Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 I forget how long ago it was, but I remember a Test at the Oval when the pitch after being two paced and offering turn early actually deteriorated quite quickly into one of uneven bounce. Was it Devon Malcolm's finest hour or something? Can't remember. I just get the sneaky feeling that Freddie & Harmy banging the ball in could cause it to break through a lot more. Problem is that they need to bowl a fuller length than in the middle, and also I think that the length of time England can actually bat will help as the pitch dries out even more (if possible) Funniest comment for me was Cricinfo suggesting that Broad, Harmy & Anderson should be looking to add 100 runs today, c'mon guys we know the tail has a bit of backbone in it when batting! Otherwise, central contracts are all well and good, but when players are obviously out of form as Cook & Colly are, they need to be playing themselves back into the runs. Fair shout to Ian Bell who had a torrid first few overs, he at least looked like he had been away working on his technique. Really think this is up to the bowlers now, really need another 50 runs if we can, but then if they bowl like pie chuckers the Aussies will race to 450+ easily Take a leaf out of THEIR book and give nothing away and I should think chasing anything over 180/200 in the last innings could be a big ask for them, over 230 we'll be in with a shout. But FFS the crowd has to chill out and drink more, you could cut the tension even over here, doesn't help us.
chrisobee Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Weather looks set fair with just the slight chance of a shower. I'll settle for 30/40 more given we could add none never mind 100 !
chrisobee Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 I did also read this from a Surrey supporter who knows the Oval well: "This is no ordinary Oval pitch - it was breaking up in the footmark areas in the first session (!) and spinning very early. Shane Warne reckons 330 is a good score on it. "
keithd Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 JIMMY !!!! noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
stevegrant Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Still... Harmison's Test batting average at the Oval is a paltry 119
chrisobee Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 332 all out is not a surprise. Broad out for a useful 37 and Harmison 12 not out. Just a slight bit of impetus at least for those 2 when they bowl shortly. We need 2 or 3 by lunch ideally.
chrisobee Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Still... Harmison's Test batting average at the Oval is a paltry 119 So he was picked on the basis of horse for courses I assume!
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 We need 2 or 3 by lunch ideally. And then 5 or 6 by tea. Need to skittle them out today or early tomorrow morning at the latest to have a chance of winning this.
bungle Posted 21 August, 2009 Author Posted 21 August, 2009 And then 5 or 6 by tea. Need to skittle them out today or early tomorrow morning at the latest to have a chance of winning this. Why?
saints_is_the_south Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Why? England need a lead to stand any chance of winning imo hence why we need to get them out cheaply & quickly.
Scummer Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 England need a lead to stand any chance of winning imo hence why we need to get them out cheaply & quickly. Don't necessarily need a lead, just need to keep them within touching distance. So maybe 50 or so runs behind. Won't be easy batting last on this wicket.
bungle Posted 21 August, 2009 Author Posted 21 August, 2009 England need a lead to stand any chance of winning imo hence why we need to get them out cheaply & quickly. Why do they need to do it in the way you have suggested? We could also bowl them out for 350 in the morning session tomorrow, then get 350 ourselves by Sunday lunch, and then have 5 sessions to bowl them out for 330 which will be a big target on this pitch? Why do you believe there is just one way to win?
bungle Posted 21 August, 2009 Author Posted 21 August, 2009 Broad 6-91 at Headingley, 2 wickets here. Yet this forum would have dropped him from the team.
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 TBF, his bowling has been hit or miss TBH but having stuck with him, and also the fact he is doing well with the willow has obviously lifted his confidence. He will be a big future player for england IMO, new Freddie ??
Torres Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 I see that we've already reached the decisive day of this Ashes series today. Australia throwing it all away.
bungle Posted 21 August, 2009 Author Posted 21 August, 2009 I see that we've already reached the decisive day of this Ashes series today. Australia throwing it all away. +1.
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 +2 Thats 4 for broad, great catch. CLARK GONE God i am glad i took today off
Pancake Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Need Katich out before he get too much over 50. That would, be awesome.
Crab Lungs Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Don't let them off the friggin hook now, England.... please... go right for the jugular.
Saint Martini Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 (edited) This is a collapse England would be "proud" off! Edited 21 August, 2009 by Saint Martini
Pancake Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 What score does England need for a follow on? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_on 332-200=132. Not going to happen!
dubai_phil Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 When I stated earlier that the Aussies would struggle to chase down 180, I did rather expect it to be in the 4th Innings... What a great afternoon. Amazing how the Ashes now & in 05 have swung during a single session of play. Keep grinding boys, get them out for under 250 and then grind out a good 190+ But would worry if we make them follow on, the pitch will only get more difficult
Pancake Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 Broad takes his fifth! 111/7 now... this is too good.
Saint Martini Posted 21 August, 2009 Posted 21 August, 2009 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follow_on 332-200=132. Not going to happen! Are you sure?
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