alpine_saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Very worried about this. Spoke to a mate of mine who supports Charlton and he said' date=' when AP left them, they had 7 forwards and only 2 centre-backs and were leaking goals like a sieve. He kept saying they needed defenders but they never signed any. Don't want to criticise the fella given it's only been 3 games but this is sounding remarkably familiar...[/quote'] All beginning to sound remarkably Burley-esque... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 why not - what are you frightened off - an olive branch? why use the word frightened..? would just rather not meet up for a drink.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 SIGN a FECKIN CB NOW please,its getting RIDICULOUSSSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I haven't got a problem with you not going to games because you live a long way away but you sure have a big gob for someone who doesn't go to matches - perhaps you would be better served respecting the opinions of the fans that do go and keep quiet until you get to a match yourself - then your opinion will hold a little more water. Sorry mate but why do you think that because you pass through the turnstile your opinion counts more so than a fan sat at home watching on TV, listening to the radio or even reading up on pre-match reports. The beautiful game is just that because we all have differing opinions and views. There is no right or wrong so to tell someone to keep quiet and respect others views is in my opinion wrong. J has his own views which some people agree with and some others dont. Ok, like myself, he may have posted his views on a thread born out of frustration after just losing to a team we really should be beating but in essence what he is saying is right and it shows his passion. I would prefer fans with passion who care and get frustrated when their team lose than fans who politely clap at goals, roll their eyes when we concede and forget about football after leaving the ground. You have no right to tell people to keep their opinions and views to themselves, and in all fairness, opinions and views can be put across in maybe a way they are not meant in the heat of the moment. For what it's worth, I believe we need a minimum of one centre back to partner Perry, two centre backs being my preference. A pacey right winger who can deliver a cross and finally a pacey striker to play alongside Lambert. My choices would be something like CB: JPS / Exodus / Sodje / Whitbread Winger: One of the Milwall players who kept whipping the crosses in? Dunno his name? Attacker: Lisbie (Colu), Cureton (Norwich), Jackson (Gillingham) or Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 cheers....for that..did not realise this was not a place for opinions we all know you are ITK and love to show it off... will certainly go to games if, you can pay for my petrol for the £350 mile round trip every weekend..? deal..? not sure where your based but £350? you sure? If you a lift to a home game & your anywhere near SHEFF shout will do my best to pick you up & get you to game, some games will even have a ticket for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Quite obviously we do but it's gonna get harder and harder attracting any decent player here when we're performing like that and rooted to the bottom of League One on -9. We're the best part of a month behind everyone else thanks to our calamitous pre-season so as notorious bad-starters...on minus 10...it was always gonna be ugly. Kelvin Davis has already proven to be the steal of the century. Thank f*ck for that! How are we a month behind ? Or pre-season was actually a week longer than usual. The ownership of the club changed and so did the manager but that didn't stop the fitness training and the coaching whether it was by Wotte, Henderson or Pardew. Clearly the problem we have is that the kids aren't ready and the experienced players aren't good enough. We're seeing why Wayne Thomas rarely even made the bench despite being fit at the start of last season. Add the squad's lack of height and it's a disaster waiting to happen. Against Swindon we had 3 outfield players (Lancashire, Harding and Lambert) who are 6' or over. As for Kelvin Davis, he's been great and is the reason we've not conceded any from open play yet but he's not big for a keeper and is of no real use at free kicks and corners without a dominant centre back. He lacks the height and physique to bash attackers and defenders out of the way in order to get to the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 How are we a month behind ? We could not sign players. We sold two very good young players to keep the club afloat. No training on tactics and formations could be done. Wotte didn't know if he was coming or going. Pardew had very little time to assess the squad and work out was what needed. The players who were here didn't know if they were staying or going or would get paid. The club could not sell season tkts. The scouting network was ****ed. I could go on for hours but I think you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 We need to sign 6 players and we need to do it fast - otherwise the season is a write off (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'm glad i only had to put up with the game tonight by reading what was on here, but from the sounds of it we were shyte, with not even attempts to get back into it. It's now blindingly obvious to everyone we need two centre backs. Thomas has more injury problems than A&E, Perry is so old i'm suprised he hasn't been turned into glue yet, and Lancashire is a red card waiting to happen. I'm hoping Hammond steels up the midfield a bit, a lot rather, as it needs it. As has been said before, without pace in the side we'll never threaten anyone. This loss is the worse of the two, especially after Huddersfield romped home 7-1 tonight, but I still think Pardew will have brought in at least one centre back by Saturday. He surely has to. If he doesn't, well I still think we'll win on Saturday, but we'd all sleep better in our beds knowing Lancs and Wots weren't in the first XI! Went to the game and can confirm that your analysis is spot on. Lancashire is a complete disaster area and I'm not sure he'll ever recover. Wasn't surprised by Huddersfield winning 7-1, that could easily have been the score against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 (edited) Sorry mate but why do you think that because you pass through the turnstile your opinion counts more so than a fan sat at home watching on TV, listening to the radio or even reading up on pre-match reports. The beautiful game is just that because we all have differing opinions and views. There is no right or wrong so to tell someone to keep quiet and respect others views is in my opinion wrong. J has his own views which some people agree with and some others dont. Ok, like myself, he may have posted his views on a thread born out of frustration after just losing to a team we really should be beating but in essence what he is saying is right and it shows his passion. I would prefer fans with passion who care and get frustrated when their team lose than fans who politely clap at goals, roll their eyes when we concede and forget about football after leaving the ground. You have no right to tell people to keep their opinions and views to themselves, and in all fairness, opinions and views can be put across in maybe a way they are not meant in the heat of the moment. For what it's worth, I believe we need a minimum of one centre back to partner Perry, two centre backs being my preference. A pacey right winger who can deliver a cross and finally a pacey striker to play alongside Lambert. My choices would be something like CB: JPS / Exodus / Sodje / Whitbread Winger: One of the Milwall players who kept whipping the crosses in? Dunno his name? Attacker: Lisbie (Colu), Cureton (Norwich), Jackson (Gillingham) or Eastwood You must admit if reviewing a film it would be better you had actually seen it, surely. Of course non attendees should have an opinion of general matters surrounding their club but when those same people deride the opinion of those who actually go to the matches then that is a bit rich. I would not want to deny DD the right to his opinion and in fact he was quite correct in saying we need to sign a centre half. What I objected to was after the Huddersfield game he was scathing of all those who went who were moaning about the performance of the centre halves. He went as far to tell us Thomas was the answer and yet 3 days later he's moaning about nor signing decent centre-halves. He can't have it both ways Edited 19 August, 2009 by Fitzhugh Fella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I don't for a second think he (Fitzhugh Fella) is stating people who dont go to game shouldn't have or post opinions. I think what he's stating really is that to have a fair understanding of whats happening on the pitch you have to of seen the game at least. People who attend & go to the games do have a better opinion because unless it's live on TV your basing an opinion on third party ( radio comms & posters & reports) so not very real. On here as most forums we seem to be slating those who disagree just because they don't agree it seems because rarely do they acting slate them but back up the differing opinion with decent reasoning. and ... how often are we going to see this is fact posted when it's only opinion lol it makes me laugh every time. It is going to be a HARD season, we are going to have many off days but you know I rem last year & how I feel about games has changed ( better) how I feel about ambition of club has changed (better) worrying about admin any day now has gone( better) thinking when will we ever sign a player ( gone ) i'm not happy clappy as some may call it there ARE many negatives there too .. BUT who would expect this club to be changed overnight? years of abuse neglect and crap management.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What I dont really get is how we managed to get Lambert and Hammond to join Saints - when we cant get a decent defender if. I mean both these players where high profiles and important to their teams. So why on earth can´t AP get the defenders he wants.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 In general, like most on here, I would voice opposition to panic signings. Right now though, I would love to see AP sign De Seijs - who WANTS to play for us - on a short term contract while we look for soemthing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Watching a game live is far better than hearing it on the radio or even watching on TV - the perspective is different. Listening to it on the radio doesn't give you that (but you might be able to form a view) as you are also at the whim of the commentator - I was listening to it on radio wiltshire and TBH the commentators didn't even know some of our teams names but could tell you the inside leg measurement of Swindons team. So I felt that the commentary was biased which obviously gives me a different slant on the game. As to DD - he can say what he likes on here and elsewhere - his points are valid but to a lesser extent than someone who has been to watch the game (mind you how many times have you disagreed with a mate that was at the same match as you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Pardew has made it as clear as he possibly can that he is working on signing a CB before the window closes. Its hard to see then why people are complaining now that the signing hasn't already happened, while there are still ten days to go to the deadline. Its surely better that the club gets the best player they can, rather than the first or easiest signing, who may not be any better than what we already have. The time to complain is when the deadline gets here if no signing has then been made. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 we need cover at CB to GET JPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Watching a game live is far better than hearing it on the radio or even watching on TV - the perspective is different. While I agree that the matchday experience and atmosphere is something you cannot get watching the game on TV, watching a game on TV has it's advantages, like for example, replays and better angles of viewing. Especially with the likes of Sky Plus now where you can pause the game and rewind etc which is why a lot of clubs scout other teams by recording their matches. So in the respects of reviewing a game, in my opinion, TV gives you that little edge. But I am not saying for one second I prefer watching the game on TV to a live game. Give me a live game any day over TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It looks to me like we have fallen for a lot of propaganda. Lallana keeps having some magic, but at 22 it ought to be obvious instead of hidden. Schneiderlin is another magic maker who doesn't seem to stand up to serious scrutiny. Maybe we ought to get back to simple stuff and play two CMs who tackle and run, wingers who cross the ball and CBs who defend. I'm also very doubtful about which players ought to be saved from last years team. This club seems to have provided a haven for defeatism and maybe many of the players are beyond saving. The club needs another core of fighters and winners, and they aren't here at the moment. And what is going on in the academy and the reserve team, where the winning spirit should be honed. Same old regime as prviously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 You must admit if reviewing a film it would be better you had actually seen it, surely. Of course non attendees should have an opinion of general matters surrounding their club but when those same people deride the opinion of those who actually go to the matches then that is a bit rich. I would not want to deny DD the right to his opinion and in fact he was quite correct in saying we need to sign a centre half. What I objected to was after the Huddersfield game he was scathing of all those who went who were moaning about the performance of the centre halves. He went as far to tell us Thomas was the answer and yet 3 days later he's moaning about nor signing decent centre-halves. He can't have it both ways yes I can....and I will...it is part of being a football fan and having an opinion and I was hardly scathing of those who went to huddersfield.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 yes I can....and I will...it is part of being a football fan and having an opinion and I was hardly scathing of those who went to huddersfield.. DD you were mocking their negativity. I was not saying you shouldn't have an opinion - of course you should - it was just you were dismissive of the opinions of others who had actually gone to the game with their criticisms of the players. If I hadn't been to a game I would be most reluctant to publicly disagree with any opinion on the performance from someone who had. I would regard that as a tad presumptious and not a little arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 In general, like most on here, I would voice opposition to panic signings. Right now though, I would love to see AP sign De Seijs - who WANTS to play for us - on a short term contract while we look for soemthing else. Very good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 DD you were mocking their negativity. I've said it before I was not saying you shouldn't have an opinion of course you should it was just you were overriding the opinions of others who had actually gone to the game. If I hadn't been to a game I would be most reluctant to disagree with any opinion from someone who had. I would regard that as a tad presumptious and not a little arrogant. it was our first away game and second game of the season...for once, I was not going to jump on the "we are shyt" bandwagon due to huddersfield being a very decent team in this league and many will lose up there 3-1 (and more as last night showed)... however, (imo) the swindon game took the buscuit, and made me realise that we DO have problems... but, I was hardly "scathing"....maybe over positive but "scathing"...? anyway, I guess we will have to agree to disgaree so not to turn this thread into a point scoring tennis match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 While I agree that the matchday experience and atmosphere is something you cannot get watching the game on TV, watching a game on TV has it's advantages, like for example, replays and better angles of viewing. Especially with the likes of Sky Plus now where you can pause the game and rewind etc which is why a lot of clubs scout other teams by recording their matches. So in the respects of reviewing a game, in my opinion, TV gives you that little edge. But I am not saying for one second I prefer watching the game on TV to a live game. Give me a live game any day over TV. I agree but in this case to the best of my knowledge Huddersfield v Saints was not covered in any great depth so DD was at a disadvantage compared to those who made the longish trek up to Yorkshire. He still chose to mock those who posted negative reports of the players and the performance. That is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 He still chose to mock those who posted negative reports of the players and the performance. That is my point. where have I mocked..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 DD you were mocking their negativity. I was not saying you shouldn't have an opinion - of course you should - it was just you were dismissive of the opinions of others who had actually gone to the game with their criticisms of the players. If I hadn't been to a game I would be most reluctant to publicly disagree with any opinion on the performance from someone who had. I would regard that as a tad presumptious and not a little arrogant. I dont understand why you have a problem with Delldays he has not really posted anything that bad. He may have a unique posting manner but he usually talks sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8205277.stm Pardew interview on here saying we will hopefully have a new centre half for Saturday. Also says he is happy with strikers at the moment and will just see what happens with Rasiak and Saga before thinking of getting anyone else in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Horne Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8205277.stm Pardew interview on here saying we will hopefully have a new centre half for Saturday. Also says he is happy with strikers at the moment and will just see what happens with Rasiak and Saga before thinking of getting anyone else in. Wrong link? I can't see anything about signing anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Wrong link? I can't see anything about signing anyone... If you listen to the radio interview he says it towards the end. ''We are hopeful of having a new defender in by Saturday...'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Apparently there has a thread just gone on Brighton's North Stand chat forum saying that Dean Cox their striker is off to southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Let's sign Sean Morrison. He's commanding, mobile for a big bloke and has a heck of a throw in. Oh and he scored against us last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Richardc, cox is a right winger, not a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I think we'll end up with a hell of a big squad if we sign every player that scores against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Apparently there has a thread just gone on Brighton's North Stand chat forum saying that Dean Cox their striker is off to southampton According to their web site he has played four games for them http://www.football.co.uk/brighton_and_hove_albion/players/dean_cox_112431.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 According to their web site he has played four games for them http://www.football.co.uk/brighton_and_hove_albion/players/dean_cox_112431.shtml 125 according to wiki, with 16 goals. Right winger or attacking MF player, all good until you look at his size (5'4"). We have enough midgets in the team already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaSaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The Brighton fans seem happy to let him go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The Brighton fans seem happy to let him go... Plymouth fans didnt seem to mind losing Wotton and look how he's turned out............oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Hate to say it, but Pards has got a bit to answer for tonight. His team selection was baffling to say the least. Why is Gillett not in the side? Why is Holmes nowhere to be seen? Why play Wotton when he clearly isn't up to it? Why wait til stoppage-time before bringing Rasiak on? For me, our best team would be this: Davis Murty - Perry - Thomas - Harding Lallana - Schneiderlin - Hammond - Holmes Lambert - Saganowski Subs: Bialkowski, Lancashire, James, Gillett, Gobern, Rasiak, Paterson Saejs should be resigned imho. He would like to return apparently, and he is better than Lancashire. In fact I can't remember if Lancashire has ever been in a winning side. Saga seems to have lost his scoring touch. Paterson or Rasiak have a better recent record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Hate to say it, but Pards has got a bit to answer for tonight. His team selection was baffling to say the least. Why is Gillett not in the side? Why is Holmes nowhere to be seen? Why play Wotton when he clearly isn't up to it? Why wait til stoppage-time before bringing Rasiak on? For me, our best team would be this: Davis Murty - Perry - Thomas - Harding Lallana - Schneiderlin - Hammond - Holmes Lambert - Saganowski Subs: Bialkowski, Lancashire, James, Gillett, Gobern, Rasiak, Paterson Nice contribution to the debate and good to see a willingness to be shot at! Just worth saying though that at Swindon, Pardew did say he would make changes partly to rest some players because of the heavy programme over this period. As for the 'best' team, possibly Lancashire shades it over Perry until we have the new CB and if that is our best midfield, why has AP signed Mellis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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