kpturner Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 He is a superlative shotstopper.Now that is going to get the "use of English" police shuffling in their seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Blackburn were in the Premiership in '97! ...so what?! :confused: It was Fulham who paid the money - and they were in the third tier. Something tells me you have missed the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Erm, actually, 1998-2002 was a time of massively overinflated transfer fees. As for Cardiff's current "flying high in the Championship", I doubt it has much to do with them signing two players 8 years ago who have both long left the club. @Greenridge, yes, Blackburn were, but Fulham were in the third tier. Doh, indeed they were. I'll get my coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 ...so what?! :confused: It was Fulham who paid the money - and they were in the third tier. Something tells me you have missed the point It wouldn't be the first time....hides head in shame. :-# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I hope that Liebherr, Cortese and Co know this - becuase its bl**dy obvious to all of us that have been watching Saints for the last few years! I would say about £5 million at a minimum if we are not going to go down yet again - or have any outside-chance of making the play-offs this year or getting promoted next year and with -9 points relegation is more likely than not at the moment (maybe you can win things with 4 or 5 kids but as we know only too well 8 or 9 kids get you relegated! the years of neglecting the squad that led to first one relegation and then another could lead to yet another one if we are not careful thanks to the awful buying of Burley (and Hoos) and the lack of any real (or permanent) player signings since then the Saints squad is fundamentally weak we need players at their peak - between the ages of 24 and 28 we have either got kids who aren't ready for week in week out football yet (Lallana, James, Spiderman, Mills, Thomson, Gobern, Melis, Paterson) or players who are past their best (Murty, Perry, Thomas) only a few - Gillett, Harding, Lambert really - should be regular starters. we need to add about 5 to 7 players in the 24-28 age bracket to really be competitive in this league or any other one for that matter we need to 20 something centrback, both over 6ft who are good in the air, but can handle someone with pace running at them as well we need a midfield general we need a left winger and right winger and we need a pacey striker to play-off Lambert and run at the oppositions defence I'd also argue we need a first choice right back as Murty is not going to last 90 minutes week in week out and James is just not good enough in that position we also need a keeper that can deal with crosses, free kicks, corner and high balls as Kelvin - bless him - just can't! it can't be just me who worries more about corners than penalties nowadays! a keeper that can kick or throw the ball out to someone on the same team would be nice as well the team has not really had any investment in it since we were relegated - you can discount the £7 million wasted by Burley - and unless money is spent in the next two weeks to change that we will be looking at the bottom of the table all season again Pele on a free, Andrew Davies and Chris Baird on loan, Jack Cork as well maybe, Craddock and Bryson would be a start! Hackett for the right wing perhaps Prutton for some bite! Eastwood and Tyson would be the icing on the cake! Having spent £15 million on buying the club it would seem stupid to me not to spend another £5 million or so to make sure the club stays in League 1 - and maybe pushes for the play-offs! Would you like to borrow my username? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I wonder how many players have turned us down because of our league position already? Exactly - here we see the real punishment that is a -10 point penalty, kicking in - it's more than just a points deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Exactly - here we see the real punishment that is a -10 point penalty, kicking in - it's more than just a points deduction. It didn`t stop the top scorer in the FL joining us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 It didn`t stop the top scorer in the FL joining us though. Or indeed a Prem level Manager ! We have spent more cash in attracting Pardew and Lambert than at any time during the past couple of years or so... Don't see what you are getting at Rebel.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 McG or Rickie? Rickie please. McGoldrick's main attribute, imho, was not as a frontline striker but as a midfielder who could score goals. How I wish we had his muscle, tackling and distribution abilities in midfield right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 It didn`t stop the top scorer in the FL joining us though. Too true, and thankful for that - but I'm still convinced that it is having a detrimental effect. It may be that we end up having to wait until the January window when we will hopefully be in a much better league position, for the 'FL effect' to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 (edited) Murty, Harding and Lambert are all good signings and show some intent but without a doubt we need 2 CBs, a CM, a right winger and a centre forward with real pace people fool themselves that Davies is a great keeper - sure he's a great shot stopper and saves penalties - and he's probably better suited to the premiership than league 1 for the simple reason he can't deal with high balls - be it corners or fee kicks. he never comes of his line and never dominates the box he was lobbed five or six times last season for one thing and his dsitribution of the ball is awful - the Millwall keeper was infinitely better than Kelvin at kicking and throwing the ball out to a player on the same team I'm not sure Lallana and Schneiderlin are ready for game in game out yet football yet - but I hope they are I think some people are forgetting how crap we have become - we got relegated from the CCC for gods sake - and the football in League 1 isn't that much of a lower standard Murty is already injured apparently - leaving James at right back who can go forward but can't defend play Lallana in front of him and we are in trouble I didn't expect to beat Huddersfield - and I thought we did OK against a weakened Millwall. Northampton was too easy as they just let us play I have a feeling some of you people thought we finished at the top end of the CCC last season and only got relegated by accident Edited 18 August, 2009 by Rebel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 McGoldrick's main attribute, imho, was not as a frontline striker but as a midfielder who could score goals. How I wish we had his muscle, tackling and distribution abilities in midfield right now. Would tend to agree with this. McGeeee did look better when Wotte played him in a deeper role. I always thought that he was a bit under-rated. Granted he was not the lone-striker that Lowe/JP thought that he was so it`s not exactly his fault if he was played out of position all of the time. He did have a bit of muscle and was quite skillful but he did seem to lack an "engine" which a lone-striker would need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 people fool themselves that Davies is a great keeper - sure he's a great shot stopper and saves penalties - and he's probably better suited to the premiership than league 1 for the simple reason he can't deal with high balls - be it corners or fee kicks. he never comes of his line and never dominates the box he was lobbed five or six times last season for one thing and his dsitribution of the ball is awful - the Millwall keeper was infinitely better than Kelvin at kicking and throwing the ball out to a player on the same team Do tell when he was lobbed 5 or 6 times? His distribution was good last season, and was good at picking out our forwards with his kicking. I assume you would rather we played Bart then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Do tell when he was lobbed 5 or 6 times? His distribution was good last season, and was good at picking out our forwards with his kicking. I assume you would rather we played Bart then And who would you replace him with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 MM. It has been the nature of Saints fans to be negative since I first went when they moaned at Terry Paine. Opinions are fine, but if someone wants to post a new thread on basically the same subject as around 20 others then they open themselves up for having those opinions criticised based on analysis not on emotions. We had a high quality CB at the club, training with the players less than 7 days ago. We have opinions on why that deal fell through but no facts. It has been less than a week since we found there was a problem in signing him. How long do people THINK that it will take to start discussions with "the second choice"? My points that I use as the basis for my opinions are 1) The methodology of Swiss Business of which I have many years experience 2) The physical RESOURCES to actually do the work needed for scouting which I can see clearly by reading what is being said I KNOW we need new players in, the CLUB know they need new players in. The ISSUE I have is HOW? I use the CB example How many CB's are available now? How many deals can be done in 5 days? Let us assume for a moment that AP had a couple of players in mind at CB. One appears to have fallen through. In the past week, AP & DW have had to prepare the team for two (now 3) football matches. We KNOW from the Pichards training thread that there are serious problems with the tactical awareness of the squad and AP himself said they have been doing extra training on Sunday. AP has complained that he had nobody available to go and watch Swindon to help prepare tactically. And yet the same posters demanding 7 or 8 players are also all demanding that we don't recruit more "behind the scenes" experts to help with the work load. NC is having to spend time on the phone trying to help get players in - he said so himself, yet the same people up in arms about getting players in also were up in arms about Chairmen being involved in transfers! My issue is simple. Reality. We are not as bad as Tranmere where the management have to drive the players around, but we have MANY areas besides the first team where we have no experience, no skills and no resources. it ALL needs to have money spent. BUT we SPENT huge sums of money less in the past 3/4 years and it bought us a load of complete DROSS. YES we need to spend money but it needs to be spent on players who fit into the team, NOT on players who look good in a computer game. FWIW my opinion is that the squad is 4 players short of a full load, however because of the reality of the situation as well as the need to build a TEAM, I honestly expect only two players to be signed now before the end of the window, but then once we have had TIME to find the players that will fit in we will be equally active in January. For those moaning, that will mean FIVE new players signed, as well as the likes of Mills, Rasiak and possibly Holmes returing to the squad, that is 8 players who were not around for most of last season. I HOPE we can get up to the playoffs this season, I EXPECT to have a struggle in the early stages of the season and to finish above mid-table. It ISN'T about the money, it is about having enough people in the management operation to know how to spend it WISELY. I cannot accept that we cannot quickly find a centre back better than what we have currently - loan someone for a month if necessary. Surely we are starting with a handicap and need to react as quickly as possible. Are you saying you would be happy to wait until January for these changes to occur? I am sure there will be some more activity soon. Let's agree to disagree on this one. Bye the way a long post filled with capitals doesn't make your view any more important so please stop using the capitals - I don't know whether you are "shouting" or emphasising a point but either way it isn't necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 (edited) By the way a long post filled with capitals doesn't make your view any more important so please stop using the capitals - I don't know whether you are "shouting" or emphasising a point but either way it isn't necessary. We waste Capital Letters in Modern English in that we Only use them to Start sentences. Look back at Victorian and Earlier letter writing and you will See the use of a Capital Letter to Emphasise a point. Nowadays we use italics or bold on computer keyboards, back then off course, you couldn't set your quill pen to these modes. An Excellent example is the correspondence of Isambard Kingdom Brunel to various employees when Scolding them for not building his railway Fast enough. This railway Is now Finished and Will be transporting myself to the match Tonight. Edited 18 August, 2009 by RonManager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 he never comes of his line.... ....he was lobbed five or six times last season for one thing:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 We waste Capital Letters in Modern English in that we Only use them to Start sentences. Look back at Victorian and Earlier letter writing and you will See the use of a Capital Letter to Emphasise a point. Nowadays we use italics or bold on computer keyboards, back then off course, you couldn't set your quill pen to these modes. An Excellent example is the correspondence of Isambard Kingdom Brunel to various employees when Scolding them for not building his railway Fast enough. This railway Is now Finished and Will be transporting myself to the match Tonight. LOL - should that be bold or in caps? My Horse and Carriage awaits for Transportation to Ye Old Swindon Town Methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 LOL - should that be bold or in caps? My Horse and Carriage awaits for Transportation to Ye Old Swindon Town Methinks Verily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 LOL - should that be bold or in caps? My Horse and Carriage awaits for Transportation to Ye Old Swindon Town Methinks Look out for Ye Olde Magyke Rowndabowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 And who would you replace him with? I wouldn't replace him, I think you misinterpreted my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Look out for Ye Olde Magyke Rowndabowt. A real Black hole. Take a Run at it and go Straight over!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I wouldn't replace him, I think you misinterpreted my post. Sorry that question was meant to be for Rebel who is talking complete ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 FWIW I agree with all of the OP's points - and I think that the pies at SMS need more salt in them as well, it's about time that these things were sorted - the new regime has been in for 2 games now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 We need some steel in centre midfield[ hopefully Hammond is the answer], also a centre back with a no one gets by me attitude. Thomas and Perry are both too soft for that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 FWIW I agree with all of the OP's points - and I think that the pies at SMS need more salt in them as well, it's about time that these things were sorted - the new regime has been in for 2 games now. Yep, and a bit more milk powder in the coffee too while they're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Sorry that question was meant to be for Rebel who is talking complete ********. I guess your talking about Kelvin! It's a good question - I doubt we'd be able to replace him with a better shot stopper that's for sure - but I find myself wondering every time we concede from a corner or free kick into the box if we'd be better of with a journeyman keeper who can actuall deal with balls into the box at this level of football there are certainly a lot more crosses and long balls into the box than shots if Bialkowski was anywhere near as good as he used to be before his injury - there would be no question - he'd be first choice keeper as he was way better than Kelvin then. Unfortunatley his nerve/confidence or whatever seems to have gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Do tell when he was lobbed 5 or 6 times? His distribution was good last season, and was good at picking out our forwards with his kicking. I assume you would rather we played Bart then the Bart of a couple of years ago - yes the Bart of now - probably not no seriously you are kidding about his distribution aren't you - it bl**dy awful. The fat bloke from accounts who always ends up in goal is better at distributing the ball at our Monday night five a side than Kelvin kicking long to the forwards with a 50% chance of keeping posession is not distributing the ball properly how often does he throw it out to a full back or midfielder to start a quick counter attack - maybe once a game if we are lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 seriously you are kidding about his distribution aren't you - it bl**dy awful. The fat bloke from accounts who always ends up in goal is better at distributing the ball at our Monday night five a side than Kelvin Problem solved, lol. Does AP know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 the Bart of a couple of years ago - yes the Bart of now - probably not no seriously you are kidding about his distribution aren't you - it bl**dy awful. The fat bloke from accounts who always ends up in goal is better at distributing the ball at our Monday night five a side than Kelvin kicking long to the forwards with a 50% chance of keeping posession is not distributing the ball properly how often does he throw it out to a full back or midfielder to start a quick counter attack - maybe once a game if we are lucky IMO you are a poor judge if you would have had Bart. He lie Paul Smith Blayney flattered to deceive and even now it makes me laugh that some thought we should sell Niemi as we had those 2.Lol.As for throwing the ball out , i assume the coaches dont encourage it, and we havent a midfielder who is happy to take the ball from that part of the pitch. ps you have nt told me when KD was lobbed 5-6 times last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 FWIW I agree with all of the OP's points - and I think that the pies at SMS need more salt in them as well, it's about time that these things were sorted - the new regime has been in for 2 games now. They are renowned: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1206950/All-fizz-Coca-Cola-Football-League-weekend-.html (scroll down to Nigella) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 the Bart of a couple of years ago - yes how often does he throw it out to a full back or midfielder to start a quick counter attack - maybe once a game if we are lucky But then the midfielders/full backs should actually be in a position to receive it and want it in the first place . Although there were many occasions we pushed everyone up and then gave the ball to the full back from the goal kick who then had no-one with 20 yards of him or any pace to get by anyone either last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 But then the midfielders/full backs should actually be in a position to receive it and want it in the first place . Although there were many occasions we pushed everyone up and then gave the ball to the full back from the goal kick who then had no-one with 20 yards of him or any pace to get by anyone either last season. also if they get the ball they get pressed, and so hoof it or pass the ball bakc to the keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Looks like AP agrees with me - signing Hammond a 26 year old midfielder is the next step forward it seems I never said I expected AP, NC or ML to spend all the money in the next 2 weeks and bringing in the wrong players will do more harm than good - we should know that more than anyone - but we are going to need a considerably stronger team to pull or way up the table to the safety of the middle - let alone push for a play-off place as it is if the team stays as it is we are going to struggle - as proved against Huddersfield on Saturday. lets not fool ourselves it was just an off-day at the office or its just because we were playing promotion contenders they just picked up on our weaknesses as every other team will now do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Looks like AP agrees with me must of read this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 as it is if the team stays as it is we are going to struggle - as proved against Huddersfield on Saturday. lets not fool ourselves it was just an off-day at the office or its just because we were playing promotion contenders they just picked up on our weaknesses as every other team will now do disagree- let's judge after tonight's game..... making sweeping statements like that after one bad game is ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Looks like AP agrees with me - signing Hammond a 26 year old midfielder is the next step forward it seems I think most people agree that we need some more signings, but aren't so stupid to say that unless we spend £5 million more we will be relegated from league 1. Also few people are stupid enough to predict that we'll more than likely be relegated after only 2 games have been played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Sorry that question was meant to be for Rebel who is talking complete ********. Yet another goal conceded from a corner - bo**ox or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 I think most people agree that we need some more signings, but aren't so stupid to say that unless we spend £5 million more we will be relegated from league 1. Also few people are stupid enough to predict that we'll more than likely be relegated after only 2 games have been played. We will certainly struggle if we don't buy TWO decent centre halfs, and get rid of Wotton!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Yet another goal conceded from a corner - bo**ox or not! Yeah why in the hell was not Davis marking the goalscorer who was left unmarked, drop the keeper he must be at fault.Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Yet another goal conceded from a corner - bo**ox or not! Maybe we can buy a month's worth of proper pre-season training with that 5 million.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 disagree- let's judge after tonight's game..... making sweeping statements like that after one bad game is ridiculous... and you were saying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyhale Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Play offs this season are a possibility with this squad and a couple of additions....and don't even consider relegation to league 2, i'd happily bet my job and my house on that fact - we will be in this league next season (or higher if the luck is with us) Have you seen us play the last two games, Tonight was VERY poor and if we carry on like this we will be lucky to stay in THIS league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 18 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 August, 2009 when you think about it £5 million on transfer fees, loan fees,signing fees, wages, agents fees and bonuese is not that much in today's game we need 5 or 6 players - not just to stay up but lay the foundations for a promotion push next season and we need to spend that much because the current squad has got massive gaping holes in it I wish I was being ridiculous - but I'm not I'm being realistic we are 9 points (count them) behind every other team other 3 games! can you actually pick a winning team from the current squad - I'm not sure I can! Davis!?! !?!? !?!? !?!? Harding !?!?! Gillett Hammond? Holmes/Mills Lambert !?!?! With Schneiderlin, Paterson and Lallana on the bench maybe!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 Have you seen us play the last two games, Tonight was VERY poor and if we carry on like this we will be lucky to stay in THIS league i posted that before tonights game not sure what to expect now if im honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Yet another goal conceded from a corner - bo**ox or not! Haven't seen the goal but you can't hold the keeper responsible for every goal conceded from a corner. Defenders are supposed to deal with set pieces as well, which is why it usually helps to have tall centre backs, so they can head the ball clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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