egreog Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think many of you are getting carried away, sure we were well beaten but not too long ago we faced the prospect of not having a club! Then we have AP who has been here less than a month, really what do you expect! We were a shambles last season and it is going to take time, anyone who expected instant success is naive at best! Totally agree...........knee jerk reactions from people who expect miracles.......get real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Totally agree...........knee jerk reactions from people who expect miracles.......get real! Not sure if that is entirely true. the argument is that some of the players are just not good enough, and it would not matter who is in charge , they still would not be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 People need to remember we just need a season of mid table then we can go for it next year with a whole team AP has built. It is a bad loss today but there will be more as well as some good wins. Heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Not sure if that is entirely true. the argument is that some of the players are just not good enough, and it would not matter who is in charge , they still would not be good enough. The squad isn't good enough. The balance of the payers that we have in the squad isn't good enough. The mix of experience, promise and pace isn't good enough. Don't think anyone on here needs to be a rocket scientist to realise that. However I think a lot of posters need to reflect on something - WE HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT. I know it is a hell of a step to take, but the FACT is that AP and NC have stated that we need to buy players. They have said they are actively looking for players. They have ALREADY signed 4 players. FFS guys, we KNOW we are trying to get a quality CB in - didn't anyone read AP's comments about Jaidi? That wasn't ITK rumour it was stated fact. We now have 2 box to box MF's Gillett & Mellis (who had HOW long to get to know his teammates names?). We have to sell at least one of Saga/Rasiak to bring in the pacey forward to play of RL. We KNOW we are after one CB then with a RM with a bit of experience we have James & MS as DM's. It is not a long way off a reasonable sqaud but even IF we bought 13 new players in the few weeks that AP has been here there is NO WAy they would even resemble a team on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 People need to remember we just need a season of mid table then we can go for it next year with a whole team AP has built. It is a bad loss today but there will be more as well as some good wins. Heads up Ridiculous, anyone who believes this is misguided. Read what some of the other teams in this divisions supporters are saying about us, and remember that they know what they are talking about, as they have the experience of this division. Most say that the longer you spend in his division, the harder it is to get out of, and if we don't want our team and supporters standards to drop and stagnation to set in, then we need to be getting out of it as soon as possible. So hanging around for a season without even threatening the automatic promotion positions let alone the playoffs, is not an option. The squad needs the additions to become competitive against the likes of Huddersfield, we need combative players, not the statues we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hill Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 While I strongly believe we have great reason to be cheerful about our longer term prospects, it is a reality that the squad that got us relegated is, apart from one or two, utterly useless. Most of the "promising" youngsters are not ready. Most of the older players are not good enough. At the Northampton match, our delicate defence was exposed several times, but fortunately for us their strikers were unable to hit the target. I don't think we are a couple of players short, its more severe than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 We didn't win. They are a top class side in the division and tipped for the top. We were away from home. Clue folks, we're not going to win every game and sometimes we'll lose. I'd rather lose to a team like Huddersfield at the start of the season than some tin pot club towards the end of it. Chin up - Pompey lost Quite frankly I don't give a toss about Pompey and I expected us to do better. Pardew has had enough time but hasn't done enough, whether that's because the owner won't sub up or not I couldn't say. A blind man could see we needed 2 centre halves before we did anything else but we've got nought in that department,yet we've paid a million £ for a striker, it's all ******, we should be better than we are,right here, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Ridiculous, anyone who believes this is misguided. Read what some of the other teams in this divisions supporters are saying about us, and remember that they know what they are talking about, as they have the experience of this division. Most say that the longer you spend in his division, the harder it is to get out of, and if we don't want our team and supporters standards to drop and stagnation to set in, then we need to be getting out of it as soon as possible. So hanging around for a season without even threatening the automatic promotion positions let alone the playoffs, is not an option. The squad needs the additions to become competitive against the likes of Huddersfield, we need combative players, not the statues we currently have. No its just being real. We started -10 and have knocked off 1 point so far. It is a hard league to get out of but we can't put too much pressure on ourselves this season. I am not saying just write it off but we need to be mid table by christmas then go for it. It is ridiculous to think we will threaten automatic promotion I would love to be wrong but I can't see it. We are behind other teams in preparing our team for this season and those few weeks may cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 The squad isn't good enough. The balance of the payers that we have in the squad isn't good enough. The mix of experience, promise and pace isn't good enough. Don't think anyone on here needs to be a rocket scientist to realise that. However I think a lot of posters need to reflect on something - WE HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT. I know it is a hell of a step to take, but the FACT is that AP and NC have stated that we need to buy players. They have said they are actively looking for players. They have ALREADY signed 4 players. FFS guys, we KNOW we are trying to get a quality CB in - didn't anyone read AP's comments about Jaidi? That wasn't ITK rumour it was stated fact. We now have 2 box to box MF's Gillett & Mellis (who had HOW long to get to know his teammates names?). We have to sell at least one of Saga/Rasiak to bring in the pacey forward to play of RL. We KNOW we are after one CB then with a RM with a bit of experience we have James & MS as DM's. It is not a long way off a reasonable sqaud but even IF we bought 13 new players in the few weeks that AP has been here there is NO WAy they would even resemble a team on the pitch. Well said - to be fair, I think its our expectations (aided and abetted by the Lambert factor this week) that have raced ahead not APs. Saying that, its precisely because we have new management that some of us are assuming a complete break with the past while days like today are like groundhog day - hardly surprising given the team is pretty much the same (and new faces at full-back will rarely make or break a team). Still, AP has no baggage or allegiances and his diagnosis of the the squad's weaknesses -lack of pace and power- has been pretty spot on. Certainly, it would be difficult to fault any of his signings so far. And as you say, there's alot of activity going on behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I really think the problem is the central midfield positions, Gillett, Wotton and Scheiderlin are just not up to the job. Gillett could do a job with the right partner but he's still limited. He's not the best passer and he's no attacking threat. Scheiderlin has good technique, is a good passer but is not really a threat going forward either, he can't defend or tackle and he's lazy. Wotton is just limited full stop. We need a couple of good all rounders in the middle who can defend and attack and get from box to box. Or sign a decent attacking midfielder, someone who Wotton or Gillet can just sit behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 (edited) I really think the problem is the central midfield positions, Gillett, Wotton and Scheiderlin are just not up to the job. Gillett could do a job with the right partner but he's still limited. He's not the best passer and he's no attacking threat. Scheiderlin has good technique, is a good passer but is not really a threat going forward either, he can't defend or tackle and he's lazy. Wotton is just limited full stop. We need a couple of good all rounders in the middle who can defend and attack and get from box to box. Or sign a decent attacking midfielder, someone who Wotton or Gillet can just sit behind. We need players, we haven't obtained anyone significant aprt from Lambert so far, seems to me the new owner is content to have 4 million in season ticket money, plus (perhaps) a couple of mill from player sales and yet scrub about in the bargain basement apart from a striker who will put asses on seats. 2 centre halves Herr Liebherr, that is what you need, they don't grow on trees or under cabbages so you will have to ante up, or else you will be no better than Lowe. Edited 15 August, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Quite frankly I don't give a toss about Pompey and I expected us to do better. Pardew has had enough time but hasn't done enough, whether that's because the owner won't sub up or not I couldn't say. A blind man could see we needed 2 centre halves before we did anything else but we've got nought in that department,yet we've paid a million £ for a striker, it's all ******, we should be better than we are,right here, right now. I totally agree we seem to be in the same position as we were two years ago when burley was in charge getting in Euell and John when we needed CBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 The squad isn't good enough. The balance of the payers that we have in the squad isn't good enough. The mix of experience, promise and pace isn't good enough. Don't think anyone on here needs to be a rocket scientist to realise that. However I think a lot of posters need to reflect on something - WE HAVE NEW MANAGEMENT. It is not a long way off a reasonable sqaud but even IF we bought 13 new players in the few weeks that AP has been here there is NO WAy they would even resemble a team on the pitch. People talk about getting new players in but what I wanna know is why is the current lot crap? Compare them on paper to anything in this division and we are streets ahead. Davis - The very best in this league Harding - Experienced left back Murty - A top championship player with Reading Perry - seen it and done it in all levels Thomas - was a star championship centre back 3 years back Morgan - First came looking the dogs******s James - Welsh u21 player Thompson - Was putting in star performances for Bournemouth last season Gillet - A tough Blackpool midfielder two years ago Rasiak - A very proven striker Saga - Champions league striker recently Lambert - The best striker in this division Wotton - Was a star Plymouth player only 3 years ago I really find it sad that we are looking for even more players when we can't fix the current squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 People talk about getting new players in but what I wanna know is why is the current lot crap? Compare them on paper to anything in this division and we are streets ahead. Davis - The very best in this league Harding - Experienced left back Murty - A top championship player with Reading Perry - seen it and done it in all levels Thomas - was a star championship centre back 3 years back Morgan - First came looking the dogs******s James - Welsh u21 player Thompson - Was putting in star performances for Bournemouth last season Gillet - A tough Blackpool midfielder two years ago Rasiak - A very proven striker Saga - Champions league striker recently Lambert - The best striker in this division Wotton - Was a star Plymouth player only 3 years ago I really find it sad that we are looking for even more players when we can't fix the current squad. Think it is actually a very simple answer that we all actually know. The kids from the Academy were in a cushioned environment where most minutes of each day they were "at school". Suddenly they are no longer in that environment because they are "1st Team Players" At the time they hit that point in their careers we had A disinterested Burley An incompetent Dodd & Gorman A short stay Pearson A Dutch bloke who had no idea what he was doing Another Dutch bloke. So, after 6 years of every day being the same and regimented, they have had the sum of feck all in terms of PROFESSIONAL coaching, tactical awareness, physilcal fitness for football and continuity of playing style and formation. Then, we now get an EXPERIENCED, MOTIVATED Professional in, combined with a new regime that does not speak with forked toungue and we are SURPRISED that these players look like rabbits caught in headlights? The simple fact is that they really haven't had time yet to adjust and take on board advice. In the way of ref's everywhere, They don't know what they're doing..... This is why we DO need the new blood that AP tells us is coming and which NC tells us he is trying to bring in, and we also need to reduce the pressure on the kids. They DO have great potential, but they have 2 years of development to catch up on - they won't do that in 6 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 People talk about getting new players in but what I wanna know is why is the current lot crap? Compare them on paper to anything in this division and we are streets ahead. Davis - The very best in this league Harding - Experienced left back Murty - A top championship player with Reading Perry - seen it and done it in all levels Thomas - was a star championship centre back 3 years back Morgan - First came looking the dogs******s James - Welsh u21 player Thompson - Was putting in star performances for Bournemouth last season Gillet - A tough Blackpool midfielder two years ago Rasiak - A very proven striker Saga - Champions league striker recently Lambert - The best striker in this division Wotton - Was a star Plymouth player only 3 years ago I really find it sad that we are looking for even more players when we can't fix the current squad. I agree but I think if we could get in another two or three things would be a lot better we have lost BWP Euell Surman McGoldrick Saejis Skacel and not replaced them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Pardew has had enough time but hasn't done enough, so what now? pardew out? ffs he's only been in the job for about 3-4 weeks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 People talk about getting new players in but.. Perry - seen it and done it in all levels Thomas - was a star championship centre back 3 years back Wotton - Was a star Plymouth player only 3 years ago A lot can happen in three years. We should know. Thomas will improve I am sure, as for Wotton, he's past it. That's why Plymouth released him (I think?) and Perry, well he isn't getting any faster. But I like the guy. Rasiak and Saga don't want to be here so .. they may not be performing to their best. The rest though, I agree we've got some good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) so what now? pardew out? ffs he's only been in the job for about 3-4 weeks! I just think Pardew should get in a few players he has had time Wotte got in Murty Edited 16 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 so what now? pardew out? ffs he's only been in the job for about 3-4 weeks! It's not a reproach of Pardew but he signed Harding (excellent) within days, he's had time to spend a million on lambert, also excellent and yet he's not been able to address our main problem effectively. No doubt he's working on it but until he gets the centre of defence right nothing but nothing he does elsewhere in the side will be significant, we will concede from set pieces and negate whatever good work is done elsewhere on the field. The difference between a grinding 1-0 win and a 1-1 draw because of sloppy defending is paramount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think many of you are getting carried away, sure we were well beaten but not too long ago we faced the prospect of not having a club! Then we have AP who has been here less than a month, really what do you expect! We were a shambles last season and it is going to take time, anyone who expected instant success is naive at best! Absolutely right . This team is so much a 'work in progress' that any despondency now is ridiculously premature . You always learn more from a defeat compared to a victory . Yes the club needs more (more importantly better) players but there's more to come from the existing squad . 'Fish' Mills and very possibly Lee Holmes will improve the team , Alan Pardew needs time to evaluate what he has and to get them to gel (yes that old footballing excuse) . Those who don't really want to be here need to be shipped out at the earliest opportunity - certain players don't even look fully fit yet . These problems are the direct result of the summers protected takeover saga (lets call it the Pinnacle Effect) - in many ways we're two months behind our competitors in this league and it going to take more time than that to fully catch up I'm afraid . All we can do in the meantime is to keep the faith , we have a good manager , we have a super new owner who's running the club in a uber professional manner , believe it or not we even have some good players . To my mind all that adds up to almost inevitable long term success , it just not going to happen overnight unfortunately . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsaints106 Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Absolutely right . This team is so much a 'work in progress' that any despondency now is ridiculously premature . You always learn more from a defeat compared to a victory . Yes the club needs more (more importantly better) players but there's more to come from the existing squad . 'Fish' Mills and very possibly Lee Holmes will improve the team , Alan Pardew needs time to evaluate what he has and to get them to gel (yes that old footballing excuse) . Those who don't really want to be here need to be shipped out at the earliest opportunity - certain players don't even look fully fit yet . These problems are the direct result of the summers protected takeover saga (lets call it the Pinnacle Effect) - in many ways we're two months behind our competitors in this league and it going to take more time than that to fully catch up I'm afraid . All we can do in the meantime is to keep the faith , we have a good manager , we have a super new owner who's running the club in a uber professional manner , believe it or not we even have some good players . To my mind all that adds up to almost inevitable long term success , it just not going to happen overnight unfortunately . Spot on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 What's Quashie up too these days? He's the sort of box-to-box midfielder we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoakley Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think its a case of getting in 2 more decent league one players Lambert is a proven league one player and doing well for us 2 more people like him would be good one being a winger with at least 12-15 assts in this league last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Trying to buy/loan players at such a late stage is proving to be a very very difficult task. Money is not the answer unless we are totally prepared to pay way over the odds.AP has brought in 3 players that appear to be good signings and one that we hope will be. I know Murty was here before AP but AP is the one who signed him up. AP has also stated over and over again that we need more players to come in. We are probably being turned down on a regular basis by clubs and players. Who can blame a player from wishing to stay put, rather than join the mess we have. I wouldn't. To start blaming AP at such a short time of residence is not in my mind deserved. He has tried to bring people in and will keep on trying. At the same time we are trying to unload some players. We will probably have a lot more luck in the January window when AP has finally decided what is wheat and what is chaf. Give him time but please someone tell him to dump Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Perhaps the players that AP wants are not currently available at a realistic price or not willing to join us,Hence why he signed Mellis on loan to wait for the right player in that position. Yes we need new players and AP is fully aware of our weaknesses but what we don't need is more signings like Pulis and Molyneux.I'd prefer him to bring in loans if he can't buy the right players to Jan.I think we have to accept that the season will be a building one and if we make the play offs it will be a big bonus. Lets get the right players in not just any players.This takes more time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Perhaps the players that AP wants are not currently available at a realistic price or not willing to join us,Hence why he signed Mellis on loan to wait for the right player in that position. Yes we need new players and AP is fully aware of our weaknesses but what we don't need is more signings like Pulis and Molyneux.I'd prefer him to bring in loans if he can't buy the right players to Jan.I think we have to accept that the season will be a building one and if we make the play offs it will be a big bonus. Lets get the right players in not just any players.This takes more time!! I agree to an extent on that. I just fear where we will stand in January if we don't add to the squad now though...i don't want us to go into the new year in and around the bottom 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 lol 2 wingers 2 C's and 1 midfielder and 2 strikers if rasiak and saga leave That's more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Schniederlin is probably the best playmaker we could hope for in this league. IMO what we need is a holding midfielder who will allow him more space. Lallana is completely over-rated IMO We also miss a pacy striker. In the same mould as Theo ( ableit not as good! ) Didn't think I'd ever say this Stu, but I completely agree with you! Someone like Simeon Jackson would be the perfect partner for Lambert up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 We only need a few players, I reckon at least 1 or maybe 2 Centre Backs, right Winger/Midfielder and a pacy centre forward. The main problem is utilising our current squad because it really isn't that bad. People like Wotton and Schniederlin can't play together same as Rasiak and Lambert. The Squad needs to be fitter and that is obvious as the least 20 mins against Millwall and Huddersfield we were poor. I really liked the look of McLaggon when he played last season so would be a great option when he gets fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 What's Quashie up too these days? He's the sort of box-to-box midfielder we need. Have you found Mark Wotte's stash and smoking it while you post: demand the ball then pass it sideways or backwards! As I said on another thread Gillett was a massive influence for Blackpool in their promotion season, when he plays we have a better tempo, yet he is being touted as being as useful as a one legged man in a backside kicking contest: he hasn't even started a game for us yet! Which is a concern especially when the managers preference is for a midfielder who has to think about which foot he is going to kick the ball with!!!?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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