Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 And if he left for a bigger club and more money you would now be branding him a mercenary, he can't win can he? matt wasn't loyal..oh no he was unambitious matt said once in an interview that seeing the joy on saints fans faces was worth more to him than medals and money, only an pompous idiot would throw that back in his face. Yes his talent was wasted, by venables , hoddle, taylor etc, and he was uninspiring too???????? so watching him play for us through his career ( if you did) didn't inspire you?? strange, i always had an extra buzz watching saints with matt in the team, knowing he might do something magical which he often did. spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2009 And if he left for a bigger club and more money you would now be branding him a mercenary, he can't win can he? matt wasn't loyal..oh no he was unambitious matt said once in an interview that seeing the joy on saints fans faces was worth more to him than medals and money, only an pompous idiot would throw that back in his face. Yes his talent was wasted, by venables , hoddle, taylor etc, and he was uninspiring too???????? so watching him play for us through his career ( if you did) didn't inspire you?? strange, i always had an extra buzz watching saints with matt in the team, knowing he might do something magical which he often did. indeed When growing up, I (and im sure others my age) had a real idol at our club who stayed and who was known all over the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 spot on I think MLT has been given hero status because he did not have the ambition to move on. I dont think that a lack of ambition is a bad thing but we will never know how good he really was and what honours he could have won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think MLT has been given hero status because he did not have the ambition to move on. I dont think that a lack of ambition is a bad thing but we will never know how good he really was and what honours he could have won ineterstingly... people are slating (not saying you) players for leaving at the first sign of ££££££sss when a player does not, he is seen as unambitious.. suppose a player cant win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) indeed When growing up, I (and im sure others my age) had a real idol at our club who stayed and who was known all over the world.. Already mentioned earlier, but lets put this in to context... ac milan were equivalent if not better than likes of today's Barcelona or Real. to have them try and buy an english player playing in a regularly relegation battling side in the prem who doesnt even play for national side, what does that tell u about this man? If people don't get it even now then, good luck to u in life. Edited 16 August, 2009 by Avenue Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I used to be quite tolerant of 19Cs posts and stick up for him when people lay into him/her.... I think that was poor error of judgement on my part :smt081 I enjoy the banter with most and although disagreeing with some and feeling frustrated..agree it is all about opinions. This poster admits he is ill or has been ill in the past...I have tried to be reasonable to him but recently started seeing a nasty side to him and continued attempts to rile peeps unecessarily. Like others I should leave well alone. But to me Nineteen is not a fan of The Saints and is here to dig into fellow posters.....It appears to me that he is playing a little game. Frustration recently took hold regards Nineteen and therefore like one or two others..He has suceeded and for that I apologise to one and all. Nineteen carry on me old mate... Saints fan you definitely are not. I should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 ineterstingly... people are slating (not saying you) players for leaving at the first sign of ££££££sss when a player does not, he is seen as unambitious.. suppose a player cant win Thats right take Ricky Lambert he has moved for money and to a bigger club we think it is great a Bristol Rovers supporter probably thinks the opposite. I hope other players have Lambert's attitude rather than MLT's other wise we wont get in any new players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I would say he was better than Le tiss though...wouldnt you..? how long did eric stay before he fuked off..? he also played for sheff wed too Ambition to reach the top of his game. MLT only tried to reach his pinnacle after he retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Already mentioned earlier, but lets put this in to context... ac milan were equivalent if not better than likes of today's Barcelona or Real. to have them try and buy an english player playing in a regularly relagation battling side in the prem who doesnt even play for national side, what does that tell u about this man? If people don't get it even now then, good luck to u in life. They did buy Luther Blissett though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) Thats right take Ricky Lambert he has moved for money and to a bigger club we think it is great a Bristol Rovers supporter probably thinks the opposite. I hope other players have Lambert's attitude rather than MLT's other wise we wont get in any new players what..that we doubled lamberts wages straight away.. I would also bet he has tidy sums lined for goals/promotion Edited 16 August, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Thats right take Ricky Lambert he has moved for money and to a bigger club we think it is great a Bristol Rovers supporter probably thinks the opposite. I hope other players have Lambert's attitude rather than MLT's other wise we wont get in any new players Where would we be without le tissier in the 90's? Your ability to casually dissmiss the attitude of a man without whom we would no doubt have been relegated on numerous occasions baffles me?? Right or wrong this is something as an average fan, I wouldnt dream of doing.. raises questions about your motives when posting on here as well as dressing yourself up as a bit of a clueless as*h*le.. believe it mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think MLT has been given hero status because he did not have the ambition to move on. I dont think that a lack of ambition is a bad thing but we will never know how good he really was and what honours he could have won Exactly, which ultimately leads coaches to serve him as an example of what might have been as oppose to what he was - a flawed genius in general terms along the lines of Best, Gasgoine and Worthington and others whilst lesser players like Pearce, Lineker, Robson, Terry et el epitomised what could be achieved with passion, commitment and desire to try and be the best they could be. MLT had it all. Did he use it well? Not as well as he should have IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 They did buy Luther Blissett though Milan were crap then, forget comparing them to likes of barcelona or real of today, they were even relegated in the 80's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Where would we be without le tissier in the 90's? Your ability to casually dissmiss the attitude of a man without whom we would no doubt have been relegated on numerous occasions baffles me?? Right or wrong this is something as an average fan, I wouldnt dream of doing.. raises questions about your motives when posting on here as well as dressing yourself up as a bit of a clueless as*h*le.. believe it mate! MLT is a person like you and me not a Super Human with no flaws. I just think some people here on the Forum have the with best intentions the idea that MLT can do no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Milan were crap then, forget comparing them to likes of barcelona or real of today, they were even relegated in the 80's... I did not compare them with Barcelona etc I said that they recruited Luther Blissett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) MLT is a person like you and me not a Super Human with no flaws. I just think some people here on the Forum have the with best intentions the idea that MLT can do no wrong. Everyone and entitlements to opinions and so on... but why do u feel the need to take it upon YOURrself to point out to every1 that he isnt superhuman without any flaws? no 1 is implying that clearly just underlining historical facts but dont get it with u if im being honest. Edited 16 August, 2009 by Avenue Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Everyone and entitlements to opinions and so on... but why do u feel the need to take it upon YOURrself to point out to every1 that he isnt superhuman without any flaws? no 1 is implying that clearly just underlining historical facts but dont get it with u if im being honest. I think he was a great player dont get me wrong but I just feel the hype surrounding him is slightly unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think he was a great player dont get me wrong but I just feel the hype surrounding him is slightly unreal. well, if thats what U hink, u cant help that.. similarly ever1 else is gonna be true to their opinions and it doesnt make theirs wrong.. obviously if some1 came along and said zidane or ronaldinho, were overhyped it doesnt change the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I think he was a great player dont get me wrong but I just feel the hype surrounding him is slightly unreal. hype..? he is by a country mile the greatest player i have ever seen play for saints... if I cant hype him up for that then what is the point in having heroes, demanding loyalty and respect from players.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 well, if thats what U hink, u cant help that.. similarly ever1 else is gonna be true to their opinions and it doesnt make theirs wrong.. obviously if some1 came along and said zidane or ronaldinho, were overhyped it doesnt change the facts. Zidane and Ronaldinho are slightly different people I would have thought playing in World Cup Finals and winning and for some of the biggest teams in the world compared with MLT who played for a lowly rated Premiership Club. If MLT had had a career like those mentioned I would not be commenting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Zidane and Ronaldinho are slightly different people I would have thought playing in World Cup Finals and winning and for some of the biggest teams in the world compared with MLT who played for a lowly rated Premiership Club. If MLT had had a career like those mentioned I would not be commenting the hype is about his talent not about his star studed glittering career. if those two didnt move and stayed in their humble starts would that have changed how talented or "good enough" they were? simple point isnt it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 (edited) No need - a far more balanced assessment of MLT is being debated 'off topic' on my unrealistic expectations thread. For the record MLT was fantastic for us but as a sportsman he ultimately under-achieved and wasted his talent. Some sportsman are content to a be a big fish in a small pond but that doesn't make them inspiring. IMO Channon is the greatest player to have played for Saints and the fact he has elevated himself to the pinnacle (must stop using that word) of another sporting industry shows what ambition really is all about. Every need. Your constant sniping is in very poor taste, to say he wasted his talent is the one of the most ludicrous things posted on the SWF. To constantly snipe about his role in the Pinnacle fiasco is in equally poor taste. The man was lied to. End of. To hold that against him is completely unreasonable. It would seem there's no depth you won't sink to attract attention. It's all rather sad and desperately needy. It's a real shame that Delldays's thread is being used by people who still have an agenda and still are looking for attention. What part of exchanging stories, links and ancedotes about Le Tiss did you not understand? For what it's worth the man is famous across the world, not because he played for Chelsea or Man Utd but because his goals were were spectacular and he single handedly kept Southampton in the premiership. Ask people abroad what do they know of Southampton, will they say Ocean Liners? Titanic? No, they will say Matthew Le Tissier. The man turned down a fortune to stay a club where he felt happy. To criticise him for that is just plain ridiculous. The man is an absolute legend on and off the pitch. I interviewed him about six times for Beautiful South and each time the man was great company and devoid of any, any, arrogance or attitude. To write him off because he didnt play for a "big club" and had the misfortune of having some of the worst England managers in recent history denying him the interantional career he so richly deserved, is a nonsensical debate. In meantime Numpteen please carry on this ridiculous Pinnacle agenda you have. More and more, far more reasonable posters than me are now seeing you for the attention seeker you so obviously are... Edited 16 August, 2009 by Daren W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 MLT was world class. Quite simpley what he could do with a football was world class. Theres not a thing anyone can ever say to me that will make me change my mind on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 These people that are re-writing history are annoying. I have been watching Saints for over 50 years. MLT is quite simply the best player ever to play for the team in that time. He was loyal and loved the club and had skill beyond belief.. He still lives the club. I have lost count of the times that I went home after a game with a smile on my face because of him. I am very sorry, and I can`t say this about many players, but when it comes to MLT and Southampton Football Club, the man is beyond criticism. People trying to find fault are just looking to be controversial. He is not a God, but as a servant to SFC, he comes pretty close. 19c, you can try to denigrate the man but all that you are doing is to confirm to everyone on here what a waste of space you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 The trouble is that other people cannot have an opinion although MLT was the most skilful player I feel that Ball and Paine were better allround footballers who achieved more in no way am I critising MLT as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Michael Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I'm 31 so started going to The Dell at the perfect time to enjoy all but the earliest part of Matty's indescribably sublime Saints career. To me, Matt is, and always will be Southampton FC. During the mid-90s I probably loved him more than the club itself, and watching us just hasn't been the same since he retired (Strachan era excepted). I will always worship the man, not just for the incredible moments he gave us while on the pitch, but for his loyalty, modesty and simply being a great bloke in a game where morals and admirable characters are often in scant supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 just how we were so treated with him...more like blessed. and you could not have wished for a more perfect ending at The Dell.. Le Tiss special right at the end to get the win....pure legend I was not there that day, I assume everyone just went mental when he scored that day.. To be honest, it would be great if we still sang his name at games...much like Manyoo fans do for their legends.. favourite game/goal. will never forget that. I was about 12 at the time and remember seeing a bloke crying, never really understood at the time but it was just right that he should have scored that goal. If marsden had taken that off his foot he would have been out of the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I'm 23 MLT is THE reason I support Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I think Eric Cantona was a better player than MLT and he won honours too no way, Cantona was a good player in a great team. He wasnt really spectacular at Leeds and often a substitute. If Le Tiss was in that 90s Man Utd team then Utd would of dominated Europe a lot more imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 In the 1993-94 season I was awarded the Junior Saint of the Month award and was due to be presented with my silver plate or something on the pitch at half time in a home match against Newcastle...the awards were normally presented by players not in the squad, so I was very exciteable in the week building up to the match because Le God was being left out at the time....Imagine my disappointment to turn up and find that he was back in the team - although that soon changed when he went on to score the two 'goals of the season'...I think that Neil Heaney presented the prize in the end although my memory may be playing tricks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 In the 1993-94 season I was awarded the Junior Saint of the Month award and was due to be presented with my silver plate or something on the pitch at half time in a home match against Newcastle...the awards were normally presented by players not in the squad, so I was very exciteable in the week building up to the match because Le God was being left out at the time....Imagine my disappointment to turn up and find that he was back in the team - although that soon changed when he went on to score the two 'goals of the season'...I think that Neil Heaney presented the prize in the end although my memory may be playing tricks... Mmmmm.... there`s a name from the past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I'm 20 so JUST about missed him at his peak. I'm bl00dy glad my old man started taking me to football at 6 years old though as I began to appreciate how good MLT was from 1995 onwards. I feel sorry for some people my age who never saw him play much. From seeing him play, and meeting him off the field as a nipper- He became my hero and still remains so. I don't give two f**ks if by staying at Saints, it made him "unambitious".....Who gives a sh1t- it meant that WE were blessed with his talent for all that time, and as a Saints fan, that's all I care about. As he said before, the looks on Saints fan's faces meant more to him than winning trophies. He is a legend and stayed here because of US, so count yourselves lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I stopped having the MLT debate with fans of other teams some time ago - their lack of appreciation used to annoy me but now if the subject ever arises I don't even to try to justify my postion, I was there, I saw the genius of MLT week in and week out - like many other thousands of Saints fans who saw the same "we just know". 19C you seem to want to mock the perceived "lack of ambition" as a character fault. Give me loyalty over that any day of the week - the fact he didn't go just makes the legend status even greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I always think that it`s a bit like telling people who were not around in the 60`s just how big The Beatles actually were. If you didn`t see MLT regularly, it`s almost impossible to explain just how good he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 (edited) I stopped having the MLT debate with fans of other teams some time ago - their lack of appreciation used to annoy me but now if the subject ever arises I don't even to try to justify my postion, I was there, I saw the genius of MLT week in and week out - like many other thousands of Saints fans who saw the same "we just know". 19C you seem to want to mock the perceived "lack of ambition" as a character fault. Give me loyalty over that any day of the week - the fact he didn't go just makes the legend status even greater. I have never underestimated MLT's role for Saints and dervived as much pleasure from watching him play for us as the next man. However, looking it from the prespective of analysing whether MLT was a sporting great you have to conclude outside of Southampton he wasn't and never would be. We loved his loyalty but from his own perspective in terms of sporting greatness it was misplaced because it compromised without a doubt his ability to be as great as other no 7's that have played for their country or the top clubs in Europe. Pity really because his book would have sold more copies and his name far more bankable now his playing days are over. My guess is football fans not connected with Saints will take a look at the title of his book and say something like 'that'll be about right' and move on. Widespread appeal is reserved to the true greats of the game, which IMO MLT should have been, or the fallen idols such as Gazza, McGrath and Bowles to name but 3 whose books transcended those who were simply grateful they played for their club. MLT has a booksigning in Waterstones in Basingstoke this Friday, maybe worth going and asking him if he will write the final chapter and make good some of his subsequent and IMO ill-founded comments. Edited 17 August, 2009 by Nineteen Canteen Invented a new book shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I always think that it`s a bit like telling people who were not around in the 60`s just how big The Beatles actually were. If you didn`t see MLT regularly, it`s almost impossible to explain just how good he was. A bit bigger than Show of Hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 A bit bigger than Show of Hands Ouch! You really know how to wound don`t you Sundance? I am cut to the very quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 MLT has a booksigning in Waterstones in Basingstoke this Friday, maybe worth going and asking him if he will write the final chapter and make good some of his subsequent and IMO ill-founded comments.[/quote Are you going to go and ask him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 MLT has a booksigning in Waterstones in Basingstoke this Friday, maybe worth going and asking him if he will write the final chapter and make good some of his subsequent and IMO ill-founded comments.[/quote Are you going to go and ask him then? Don`t be silly. That involves having the courage of your convictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesaint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Dont care what others opinions are. Matt is my hero and always will be! Im 36 and i still try to play like him in games and usually just make a **** of myself. But i dont care. I dont believe he wasted his talent, or did not aspire to more. look at George Best, no one doubts his talent and yet it could be argued that by his lifestyle he wasted his talent. Matt provided me and many others with endless joy and pride in saints. That is not wasting talent or being unambitious, FACT! Had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and the bloke has always been the most unassuming and polite man. Once caddied for him in a charity golf match and also got the chance to attend the evening function later that day. When i arrived in the evening, i must have looked well lost amongest all the company execs and other guests. Matt spotted me, came over and said 'come sit on our table, as i guess you dont know anyone'. I nearly died, what a great bloke. Everyone has a hero, Matt is mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seany S Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Yeah Matty had a few flaws - his fitness and conditioning being one. This could have been one of the reasons why he was often omitted from England squads - I doubt that the elite footballers and coaches in the England setup would let him get away with a limited training schedule and questionable approach to exercise. But Brazil let the likes of Romario, Edmundo and Ronaldo get away with murder and still play regularly - because of the talent they brought to the side. Most of the great French players you care to name were smokers, as was Johan Cruyff. Tiss was the finest player I have ever seen pull on a Saints shirt, and nothing anyone can say will change that opinion. I too was there when he scored those two against Newcastle. I was there when he scored the last goal at the Dell. I remember other wonderful moments - his short lived but magical partnership with Ronnie Ekelund, a league cup game on a freezing night when he dismantled Cardiff City on his own, listening to the (abandoned) England game against the Irish on the radio, excited because Tiss had been picked. Watching his goals over and over on my worn out Unbelievable VHS tape. Feeling proud when Baddiel and Skinner used to champion our player at every opportunity. Seeing him dismantle Russia with the England B side. Apart from a few ameoba-brained individuals who will talk about lack of ambition, Pinnacle, his conditioning, etc etc, I have yet to meet anyone, Saints fan or not, who doesn't regard him as one of the most exciting, brilliant players they have ever seen in the English game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I have never underestimated MLT's role for Saints and dervived as much pleasure from watching him play for us as the next man. However, looking it from the prespective of analysing whether MLT was a sporting great you have to conclude outside of Southampton he wasn't and never would be. We loved his loyalty but from his own perspective in terms of sporting greatness it was misplaced because it compromised without a doubt his ability to be as great as other no 7's that have played for their country or the top clubs in Europe. Pity really because his book would have sold more copies and his name far more bankable now his playing days are over. My guess is football fans not connected with Saints will take a look at the title of his book and say something like 'that'll be about right' and move on. Widespread appeal is reserved to the true greats of the game, which IMO MLT should have been, or the fallen idols such as Gazza, McGrath and Bowles to name but 3 whose books transcended those who were simply grateful they played for their club. MLT has a booksigning in Waterstones in Basingstoke this Friday, maybe worth going and asking him if he will write the final chapter and make good some of his subsequent and IMO ill-founded comments. Unbelievable... No, not the video, some people's attitude. If Matt hadn't have criticised Lowe does anyone seriously think old multiple personality boy here would be so hard on him? Are we seriously taking a thread that was meant to be a tribute to Matt and end up with someone criticising the fact that he stayed with us? Showed no ambition? Are we mad? At the end of the day this club faced complete ruin. Like it or not, the combined inadequecies of the board had sent us hurtling to League One and made us a financial ruin. It was at our darkest hour that the man who made being a Saints fan bearable came to our aid. He wasn't to know the people who had promised him so much were liars and charlatans, he didn't know Leibherr was in the wings and would prove to be a better choice... not he just tried to help. You can imagine if he didnt then the likes of Sumdunce would be be criticising them for taking a wage and deserting the club at it's hour of need. The fact that an ex player loved this club so much he'd come back to try and save it is surely virtually unheard of in modern top flight football? I can only think of Niall Quin. We're surely used to people on this messageboard who will slag anyone off who differs from their agenda but surely none of ever thought we'd see someone of Le Tissier's stature slagged off because he dared to criticise Lowe? So Pinnacle turned out to be a farce, so what? Unless anyone wants to go in print and accuse Le Tissier of some kind of inpropriety then the only thing he's guilty of is being lied to. It's quite stunning that people on here can still back Lowe and in turn criticise someone like Le Tissier. A chairman who presided over two relegations against possibly the greatest player to ever wear a Saints shirt? Bit of a no brainer surely? There are times this messageboard almost makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. Slagging off a true Saints legend because he headed up a failed takeover bid and slagged off Rupert Lowe? That's one of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Unbelievable... No, not the video, some people's attitude. If Matt hadn't have criticised Lowe does anyone seriously think old multiple personality boy here would be so hard on him? Are we seriously taking a thread that was meant to be a tribute to Matt and end up with someone criticising the fact that he stayed with us? Showed no ambition? Are we mad? At the end of the day this club faced complete ruin. Like it or not, the combined inadequecies of the board had sent us hurtling to League One and made us a financial ruin. It was at our darkest hour that the man who made being a Saints fan bearable came to our aid. He wasn't to know the people who had promised him so much were liars and charlatans, he didn't know Leibherr was in the wings and would prove to be a better choice... not he just tried to help. You can imagine if he didnt then the likes of Sumdunce would be be criticising them for taking a wage and deserting the club at it's hour of need. The fact that an ex player loved this club so much he'd come back to try and save it is surely virtually unheard of in modern top flight football? I can only think of Niall Quin. We're surely used to people on this messageboard who will slag anyone off who differs from their agenda but surely none of ever thought we'd see someone of Le Tissier's stature slagged off because he dared to criticise Lowe? So Pinnacle turned out to be a farce, so what? Unless anyone wants to go in print and accuse Le Tissier of some kind of inpropriety then the only thing he's guilty of is being lied to. It's quite stunning that people on here can still back Lowe and in turn criticise someone like Le Tissier. A chairman who presided over two relegations against possibly the greatest player to ever wear a Saints shirt? Bit of a no brainer surely? There are times this messageboard almost makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. Slagging off a true Saints legend because he headed up a failed takeover bid and slagged off Rupert Lowe? That's one of them... do not bother about them Darren lucky you can count them on the fingers on one hand they are not Saints fans just on a personal ego trip glad you said Almost ashamed to be a Saints fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Unbelievable... No, not the video, some people's attitude. If Matt hadn't have criticised Lowe does anyone seriously think old multiple personality boy here would be so hard on him? Are we seriously taking a thread that was meant to be a tribute to Matt and end up with someone criticising the fact that he stayed with us? Showed no ambition? Are we mad? At the end of the day this club faced complete ruin. Like it or not, the combined inadequecies of the board had sent us hurtling to League One and made us a financial ruin. It was at our darkest hour that the man who made being a Saints fan bearable came to our aid. He wasn't to know the people who had promised him so much were liars and charlatans, he didn't know Leibherr was in the wings and would prove to be a better choice... not he just tried to help. You can imagine if he didnt then the likes of Sumdunce would be be criticising them for taking a wage and deserting the club at it's hour of need. The fact that an ex player loved this club so much he'd come back to try and save it is surely virtually unheard of in modern top flight football? I can only think of Niall Quin. We're surely used to people on this messageboard who will slag anyone off who differs from their agenda but surely none of ever thought we'd see someone of Le Tissier's stature slagged off because he dared to criticise Lowe? So Pinnacle turned out to be a farce, so what? Unless anyone wants to go in print and accuse Le Tissier of some kind of inpropriety then the only thing he's guilty of is being lied to. It's quite stunning that people on here can still back Lowe and in turn criticise someone like Le Tissier. A chairman who presided over two relegations against possibly the greatest player to ever wear a Saints shirt? Bit of a no brainer surely? There are times this messageboard almost makes me ashamed to be a Saints fan. Slagging off a true Saints legend because he headed up a failed takeover bid and slagged off Rupert Lowe? That's one of them... Works both ways Daren but I'll forgive you due to your 'special' circumstances. Now how about commenting on whether MLT is a true sporting legend as I mentioned in my post. Someone who has happy to confine themselves to the Dell and a relatively small club when he was easily good enough to grace a bigger stage has undoubtedly limited ambition and as a result limited his post playing options and no doubt book sales. If he sells 50,000 he'll be doing well but if he had played for a bigger club and secured a succesful international career that was easily within his grasp he could have sold 10 times as many. Where does Lowe fit into all that? The issue that many of you cannot grasp is no one is disputing his status as a legend at SFC but a legend in his sport - sorry international honours and club medals are testament to that. As for his role in Pinnacle I defer to Fitzhugh Fella who is in a far better position than I am to comment and I agree 100% with his conclusion so feel free to pick yourself a tougher target, oh and try and respond to the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 The issue that many of you cannot grasp is no one is disputing his status as a legend at SFC but a legend in his sport - sorry international honours and club medals are testament to that. And what you don't seem to grasp is that for 99% of Saints fans we couldn't give a toss if he is a "legend in sport" or not. He is a Saints legend and that is good enough for us - it is you that seems to have the "issue". I will look forward to your report from Waterstones Basingstoke though - assuming that seeing as you are such a Billy big balls you will be asking him face to face about the extra chapter as you suggested earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 All being well I should have a signed copy of Matts book...sooooon. Whilst reading my David Bull book..Constant Paine...Made me wonder if any of our older posters ..David Cross.. are amongst the young lads holding Painey up on the front cover of the book.1966...I was a Milton Road lad (16 yrs)in those days at the Dell and would not have been far away. Just curious. Thinking about it..I should have asked one of my sisters or brothers to get a signed copy of MLTs book for Nineteen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2009 I think it is pretty sad that Matts status as a legend at SFC is questioned by some.. farking sad and I guess a reality of what ******s we have supporting our club who just want to snipe at every chance they get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 And what you don't seem to grasp is that for 99% of Saints fans we couldn't give a toss if he is a "legend in sport" or not. He is a Saints legend and that is good enough for us - it is you that seems to have the "issue". I will look forward to your report from Waterstones Basingstoke though - assuming that seeing as you are such a Billy big balls you will be asking him face to face about the extra chapter as you suggested earlier? OK I assume you are saying (by not giving a toss) that MLT is not a sporting legend but a legend for SFC. Thanks and I agree with you but do you accept he had the talent to be far bigger than he was and apart from our own preferences he ultimately failed to achieve everything he could have done had he the courage or conviction to move on. Try and think outside your parochial little world - who will by his book beyond the fans of Saints and who would have bought it had he maximised his ambition to his gift. He took le tiss out of himself in the end IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 August, 2009 Share Posted 17 August, 2009 Exactly, which ultimately leads coaches to serve him as an example of what might have been as oppose to what he was - a flawed genius in general terms along the lines of Best, Gasgoine and Worthington and others whilst lesser players like Pearce, Lineker, Robson, Terry et el epitomised what could be achieved with passion, commitment and desire to try and be the best they could be. MLT had it all. Did he use it well? Not as well as he should have IMO. right you've had your say and pointed oyut its all IMO. So now feck off and go and darken someone elses door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2009 OK I assume you are saying (by not giving a toss) that MLT is not a sporting legend but a legend for SFC. Thanks and I agree with you but do you accept he had the talent to be far bigger than he was and apart from our own preferences he ultimately failed to achieve everything he could have done had he the courage or conviction to move on. Try and think outside your parochial little world - who will by his book beyond the fans of Saints and who would have bought it had he maximised his ambition to his gift. He took le tiss out of himself in the end IMO. this is a saints message board..we are on about saints, saints' past and a saints legend.. right now, I could not give a fuk if he did not achieve all he could...that is another debate altogether...dont you think...unless you think he could have achieved more at saints..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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