Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Recipe for disaster in my opinion. why..when nearly all decent clubs have this sort of set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 As long as Pardew is happy with the set up there shouldn't be a problem. It's a bit of an arse about tit way of doing things, surely the logical thing to do would be appoint the director then let him choose the manager. At least then the manager knows the DOF is on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Surely the fact that they'll have more football knowledge is the whole problem, or has the potential to be. At the moment Pardew tells Cortese who he wants and how much he thinks it's worth spending, Cortese has never heard of them so does the deal. A Sporting Director who has footballing knowledge is almost certainly bound to have different opinions on some players to Pardew (let's face it, we all do) and the first time he advises Cortese not to purchase a player that Pardew wants the problems start. Recipe for disaster in my opinion. It's only a problem, when it is some upstart, know nothing or someone promoted within the club because of who they are rather than what they know. This is a completely new appointment and NC can interview just about anyone in the world with playing and/or management and/or business and/or football or sporting administration experience and acumen. I don't think anyone would have argued with the appointment of someone like Sir Bobby Robson prior to his untimely death and there are people of that ilk out there, who may be interested in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 As long as Pardew is happy with the set up there shouldn't be a problem. It's a bit of an arse about tit way of doing things, surely the logical thing to do would be appoint the director then let him choose the manager. At least then the manager knows the DOF is on the same page. I think in an ideal world that would have been the case but as soon as they decided Wotte wasn't the man to take us forward (even in the short-term) then the Team Manager position had to be filled immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 It's only a problem, when it is some upstart, know nothing or someone promoted within the club because of who they are rather than what they know. This is a completely new appointment and NC can interview just about anyone in the world with playing and/or management and/or business and/or football or sporting administration experience and acumen. I don't think anyone would have argued with the appointment of someone like Sir Bobby Robson prior to his untimely death and there are people of that ilk out there, who may be interested in the role. But what if they appoint a Bobby Robson type, and that person thinks Pardew is rubbish? The DOF role can obviously work but it's vital the DOF appoints the manager, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 I think in an ideal world that would have been the case but as soon as they decided Wotte wasn't the man to take us forward (even in the short-term) then the Team Manager position had to be filled immediately. Not really, we are probably not going up this season anyway, at best we have a chance of the play-offs which is a 1 in 4 chance. Rushing it and getting it wrong is the worst thing we could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 whereas Cortese (whilst showing to be a great worker) could be taken for a mug in some situations. What a load of cyber jocky nonsense. I would hazard a guess you have never met him, talked football or done business with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Surely the fact that they'll have more football knowledge is the whole problem, or has the potential to be. At the moment Pardew tells Cortese who he wants and how much he thinks it's worth spending, Cortese has never heard of them so does the deal. A Sporting Director who has footballing knowledge is almost certainly bound to have different opinions on some players to Pardew (let's face it, we all do) and the first time he advises Cortese not to purchase a player that Pardew wants the problems start. Recipe for disaster in my opinion. It is a possibility I suppose but then AP would probably have various targets to play in the same position. As long as AP gets one then there is no problem - if the DOF is truly a football man then he will recognize whats is required as well as AP - then its just a matter of who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 If Cortese is sensible he will consult AP over the appointment and pick a person that Pardew knows, trusts, and is happy with. In the past Pardew has cited Keith Pea**** and Steve Coppell as his mentors, and Peter Grant and Alan Smith as a good friends in football and any one of these would be a good call as a Sporting Director to work WITH and FOR the manager... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 That was Keith Peac*ck by the way. Unbelievable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 we had worked that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4547838 :confused::confused:Echo reporting that Cortese is going to appoint a Sporting Director to be responsible for transfers etc. Did AP know this when he accepted the managers job? :confused: Of course, we are very grateful to Herr. L. and N.Cortese for saving the club from a fate worse than ...(!) ....but at the end of the day they cannot be seen (as probably don't see themselves ).... as experts on English football. The idea is a sports director; (someone who knows the game ; ex player, ex manager) knows what real money is, and how much a player is likely to cost. During his time Strachan seems to have had an arrangement with Rupert Lowe, along the lines of .... " I'd like so-and-so, or that fella ..if the price is right " (.i.e. if the club can afford it-which at various times in the past - it could have). It's then upto the Board to sort out the finances ( if the player wants to come / if his club is willing to sell him).etc, etc. I'm sure that AP would like any number of players - if the price / deal / salary was OK. An in-the-know DOF..would know the ropes and the relative sums of money involved as get the green light for deals..it also avoids the obvious problem of The CEO needing to discipline / sack a manager / player or whoever as the DOF is effectively running ( but not interfering ) with all the staff. Good Idea IMHO. ( just get the right man.. Nicola). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Surely the fact that they'll have more football knowledge is the whole problem, or has the potential to be. At the moment Pardew tells Cortese who he wants and how much he thinks it's worth spending, Cortese has never heard of them so does the deal. A Sporting Director who has footballing knowledge is almost certainly bound to have different opinions on some players to Pardew (let's face it, we all do) and the first time he advises Cortese not to purchase a player that Pardew wants the problems start. Recipe for disaster in my opinion. Or a recipe for success? Why should it be such a problem? If the right person comes along it could well benefit the club. No manager should have the final say on who comes and goes. The club has to be run properly and Pardew should have someone above him saying yay or nay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Obvious reasons already well aired on here, but Cortese lives in Switzerlad and probably his family would like to see him occasionally. A director at board level to oversee the football side and manage the budget does not clash with the team manager's responsibilities. Another experienced individual working for the club is another indication of how committed Leibherr is to making a success of his ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Not really, we are probably not going up this season anyway, at best we have a chance of the play-offs which is a 1 in 4 chance. Rushing it and getting it wrong is the worst thing we could do. Mathematically only 1 in 5.5 surely? Or 1 in 13 of automatic promotion. But things aren't that simple - on the plus side we have money, decent players coming in, one of the biggest supports in the league, a proven manager, an apparently committed, level-headed owner determined to let football people do it for him etc. so the odds are swung in our favour. The -10 doesn't help, but thoughts such as 'we are probably not going up' don't either. We have a good chance of going up and, even if not, at the moment it looks as though it will be an exciting season. I am more confident that we have a good chance of going up than that a D of F will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI76 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Or a recipe for success? Why should it be such a problem? If the right person comes along it could well benefit the club. No manager should have the final say on who comes and goes. The club has to be run properly and Pardew should have someone above him saying yay or nay. That's where we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the manager should absolutely have the final say, in fact the only say, on who comes and goes. That's what he's there for and he then lives or dies by his decisions and his decisions only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 That's where we'll have to agree to disagree. I think the manager should absolutely have the final say, in fact the only say, on who comes and goes. That's what he's there for and he then lives or dies by his decisions and his decisions only. And you end up with Redknapp! I'm having that player, that player and this player and I don't care what they cost and I don't care what we pay them and if they bankrupt us, well WTF I'll be off because I'm Happy Harry and always get another job!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 August, 2009 Share Posted 15 August, 2009 Obvious reasons already well aired on here, but Cortese lives in Switzerlad and probably his family would like to see him occasionally. A director at board level to oversee the football side and manage the budget does not clash with the team manager's responsibilities. Another experienced individual working for the club is another indication of how committed Leibherr is to making a success of his ownership. According to tonight's Echo he and his family are moving to the So'ton area. Shows more committment than Burley ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 This guy is free http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Woodward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 According to tonight's Echo he and his family are moving to the So'ton area. Shows more committment than Burley ever did. Sorry who is moving to So'ton? Cortese or Pardew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Sorry who is moving to So'ton? Cortese or Pardew? Sorry Cortese. His interview in the Echo was quite candid and very interesting. He talks openly and I like what he says. I will keep the piece and when I have more time will try and post some of the more revealing quotes......... unless someone beats me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I find it a bit difficult to understand why it is preferable that AP speaks to a non-football person like Cortese, who will always have the final say, than to somebody with responsibility for the clubs total sporting strategy (including academy and other youth activities and the targets we're setting for first team achievements) who actually has got a good football understanding. This system works in all major football clubs apart from in Britain where we seem to have strange notions about managers as benevolent dictators. Maybe we will need a foreign Sporting Director !!!!! who will know not to interfer in the managers decisions regarding the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 I thought it was Keith Peatw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 Sorry Cortese. His interview in the Echo was quite candid and very interesting. He talks openly and I like what he says. I will keep the piece and when I have more time will try and post some of the more revealing quotes......... unless someone beats me to it. Thanks FF, heard his BBC Solent bit and liked his style and cooments. I am sure he didn't relinquish his bank job to be a failure so I am quietly confident. I like the fact that we seem to have a plan that is being put in to place, not sure we have had one of those for many a year! cheers Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 August, 2009 Share Posted 16 August, 2009 What do you mean knows football The manager should know what players he wants the Chairman/Chief Exec should negoiate contracts anything else will lead to problems which has happened elsewhere. I like David Moyes and his recent comments he is in charge and so should Pardew So, Moyes is totally responsible for a 1-6 home reverse and if AP adopts the same approach, with the same result, you would be quite happy? Personally my belief is that everything which has occurred so far at SMS has had everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, and that AP is totally in control of all things regarding the football aspect. I doubt this is going to change and if there is an incoming DoF (or any other terminolgy for the same role) then AP will be onboard with who is appointed and as to what their TORs are. Bu then again I suppose we can all be drama queens and up in arms over every little rumour, as some people usually are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I think there needs to be a link between Pardew and Cortese and providing no one steps out of their boundaries there should be no problem. Pardew must have the last say on player selection, tactics and other on field activities however. We have had a little too much board room dabbling to last us all a lifetime. Duncan, Most interesting to see Steve Coppell in the Directos Box yesterday. He came out early to watch the warm up. I suspect Steve Coppell will be our new DoF As an aside I notice that both Leon's Executive Boxes are no more. Has he lost faith do you think ? I notice that Mike Richards has taken up residency in a brand new box. At least he is now paying his way. Kind Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Neil Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Duncan, Most interesting to see Steve Coppell in the Directos Box yesterday. He came out early to watch the warm up. I suspect Steve Coppell will be our new DoF As an aside I notice that both Leon's Executive Boxes are no more. Has he lost faith do you think ? I notice that Mike Richards has taken up residency in a brand new box. At least he is now paying his way. Kind Regards Morph We must sit close to each other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Call me old fashioned but which of the following need a Sporting Director: Ferguson Wenger Benitez Moyes Redknapp O'Neill Continue list below of most successful managers operating today... And if the Russian hadn't appointed one maybe Jose would still be there and they would be European Champions by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 We must sit close to each other! Indeed we do I suspect you are no more than 4 seats away from me. Small world and all that Kind Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Indeed we do I suspect you are no more than 4 seats away from me. Small world and all that Kind Regards Morph I must admit that the equestrian lady in the dark glasses is quite a distraction for those in the Itchen Centre. Do you not think ? Regards Morph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Most interesting to see Steve Coppell in the Directos Box yesterday. He came out early to watch the warm up. I suspect Steve Coppell will be our new DoF Of course, Pards and Coppell have a prior relationship - Pards played under Coppell at Palace and Coppell took over from Pards at Reading -presumably they get on. If Coppell is the man, would certainly minimise some of the difficulties people identify with a manager/DoF set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Neil Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I must admit that the equestrian lady in the dark glasses is quite a distraction for those in the Itchen Centre. Do you not think ? Regards Morph Indeed she is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granadino Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Yep, saw Coppell there, but he was sat on his own throughout the whole match not talking to anyone, I presumed he just took the opportunity to watch his old club Brentford, as he appears to live fairly local, and he's obviously welcome down here, being as this is not the first time he's popped in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 If he was just popping in I wouldn't him to be dressed up in a manner one would turn up to meet the big man. He definitely wasn't so dressed last time someone on here posted him watching a game last season. To tell you the truth I'd have preferred Coppell as manager over Pardew or even Strachan anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Neil Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 If he was just popping in I wouldn't him to be dressed up in a manner one would turn up to meet the big man. He definitely wasn't so dressed last time someone on here posted him watching a game last season. To tell you the truth I'd have preferred Coppell as manager over Pardew or even Strachan anyday. Not so sure about that Art. The last time Steve Coppel was at St. Mary's was probably to check out forthcoming opposition in the play-off's (Burnley if I recall correctly). The picture below shows that he was dressed appropriately for the day. I would also add that Steve Cotteril was there yesterday and he too was all suited and booted, but he sat well back from the main Director's area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Good to see you back up and around Morph. Did you hear the extremely unconfirmed rumour that we did approach someone to be SD and the rest? Not worth commenting on more than that as it was way too vague and those were the words as they came down here to me, no more, but I am in FF's camp, I think the right person coming in for the right reasons will be a big step in putting the back office side of our club back together again, which appears in as big a mess as our playing squad have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I must admit that the equestrian lady in the dark glasses is quite a distraction for those in the Itchen Centre. I may well regret asking this , but why do you refer to her as "equestrian"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I must admit that the equestrian lady in the dark glasses is quite a distraction for those in the Itchen Centre. Do you not think ? Regards Morph Is that not Mrs Cortese ? Why the "equestrian" reference ? Its not Christina Lebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 'High profile'. Well if so then OK... I suppose. But, AP needs to buy in to this. I would like to see a traditional British managerial set up - one man, one decision maker. But, if it's someone like WGS who'll attract players and AP gives his thumbs up then hey why not? As long as we get a footballing pro who can look at the side and say to Nicole and Marcus, 'we need more money for players so we can get rid of the crap Lowe has left us with' then it gets my vote (provided AP is happy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Was interesting on Football Focus, WGS did say he was enjoying his rest but if something turned up that interested him he would consider it (paraphased what he said) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 I may well regret asking this , but why do you refer to her as "equestrian"? Face like a horse???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Face like a horse???? At last !!!!!!!!!!!.... The mystery of Shergar is solved !!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 August, 2009 Share Posted 24 August, 2009 Indeed we do I suspect you are no more than 4 seats away from me. Small world and all that Kind Regards Morph Ive probably sat near you a few times too then cause my dad's got seats around there too. He took my 2 girls with him on Sat as they were down there staying for the week and he tried to point out Steve Coppel to them as someone they might recognise off the telly and they had no clue lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Sorry to bring this old thread up, but since Ralph Krueger has made mention of looking for a sports director a couple of times, this was the only thread I could find on the topic. I'd forgotten that Cortese originally wanted to hire one. (See post #3) Will be interesting to see who we go for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Sorry to bring this old thread up, but since Ralph Krueger has made mention of looking for a sports director a couple of times, this was the only thread I could find on the topic. I'd forgotten that Cortese originally wanted to hire one. (See post #3) Will be interesting to see who we go for. Interesting to see Katarina Liebherr in that 2009 photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Good spot, FF. Quite enjoyed reading this old thread actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Interesting to see Katarina Liebherr in that 2009 photo And the boy next to her. Presumably the grandson of Markus for whom 50% of the club may be in trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 And the boy next to her. Presumably the grandson of Markus for whom 50% of the club may be in trust. Eh? Where did you hear that? If that is the case he could be our future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Eh? Where did you hear that? If that is the case he could be our future! Well he is young, hungry and therefore guaranteed to improve. With our facilities, and staff set up we are the best place outside the CL clubs for a young chairman to be. Give him a few years with the development staff, then send him out on loan to a Championship/L1 club for experience. He could be the chairman to take us to the next level. Etc etc and other such hilarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 8 April, 2014 Share Posted 8 April, 2014 Eh? Where did you hear that? If that is the case he could be our future! ST MARY'S FOOTBALL GROUP LIMITED Company Number: 06951765 is showing as 1 share in the name of Katharina, and 1 share in the name of Markus Liebherr. I'm assuming the boy is related and that it is held in trust rather than directly owned by another Markus Liebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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