Sporting Director

[homesick-saint]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4547838

 

:confused::confused:Echo reporting that Cortese is going to appoint a Sporting Director to be responsible for transfers etc.

 

Did AP know this when he accepted the managers job?

 

:confused:

[Saint_clark]

Where?

[Saint_clark]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4547838.Saints_to_go_for_a__sporting_director_/

[thorpie the sinner]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4547838.Saints_to_go_for_a__sporting_director_/

 

WGS here we come?

[Saint_clark]

To be honest it could be a misunderstanding. I have no problem with someone experienced in football handling transfer negotiations, as they will actually know when to tell a club/player to stop taking the p*ss and either accept or look elsewhere, whereas Cortese (whilst showing to be a great worker) could be taken for a mug in some situations.

It DOES NOT actually say that the DOF will be DECIDING who to buy, just that they will be sanctioning any deals.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

To be honest it could be a misunderstanding. I have no problem with someone experienced in football handling transfer negotiations, as they will actually know when to tell a club/player to stop taking the p*ss and either accept or look elsewhere, whereas Cortese (whilst showing to be a great worker) could be taken for a mug in some situations.

It DOES NOT actually say that the DOF will be DECIDING who to buy, just that they will be sanctioning any deals.

 

I think that this is probably going to be position in support of the manager? So that AP can identify the players he needs, areas he needs strengthening etc and this new post is for someone to go do the initial contact, discussions etc and leave AP to be free for all the day to day running of training etc?

[unionhotel]

WGS? That might explain his appearance at the Millwall game.

 

Something like this may cause conflict with AP, however, I'd be surprised if he wasn't aware of the plans when he took the job.

[Saint_clark]

I think that this is probably going to be position in support of the manager? So that AP can identify the players he needs, areas he needs strengthening etc and this new post is for someone to go do the initial contact, discussions etc and leave AP to be free for all the day to day running of training etc?

 

I suppose really that's what i'm hoping - I don't want this new feeling of togetherness ruined by more divides at boardroom/management level.

[St.Patrik]

I guess that taking care of transfers and dealing with players and agents take alot of time an energy of a manager. IF he get DOF to help him that cant be a bad thing?

[Thedelldays]

I suppose really that's what i'm hoping - I don't want this new feeling of togetherness ruined by more divides at boardroom/management level.

 

Stop being a fanny.. Most clubs have these just depends if that person is a high profile ex manager

[St.Patrik]

Stop being a fanny.. Most clubs have these just depends if that person is a high profile ex manager

 

Thats why I dont belive the DOF will be WGS. It would take like a day then would AP and WGS be in a fistfight and one of the would surely leave : )

[John B]

WGS? That might explain his appearance at the Millwall game.

 

Something like this may cause conflict with AP, however, I'd be surprised if he wasn't aware of the plans when he took the job.

 

Yes totally agree - A recipe for disaster

[Thedelldays]

Thats why I dont belive the DOF will be WGS. It would take like a day then would AP and WGS be in a fistfight and one of the would surely leave : )

 

It probably won't be an ex manager at all. Just another businessman who knows football

[Chez]

It will just be a board member that knows the football business. nicola has probably spent every waking hour on the phone and on the road trying to tie up transfer deals and he probably wants to give that responsibility to someone else so he can look after everything else.

[homesick-saint]

I suppose really that's what i'm hoping - I don't want this new feeling of togetherness ruined by more divides at boardroom/management level.

 

Stop being a fanny.. Most clubs have these just depends if that person is a high profile ex manager

 

I agree. It seems strange to risk upsetting the apple cart now when things are progressing so well. Particularly when Cortese is saying that the man may not be in place for months

[John B]

It probably won't be an ex manager at all. Just another businessman who knows football

 

What do you mean knows football

 

 

The manager should know what players he wants the Chairman/Chief Exec should negoiate contracts anything else will lead to problems which has happened elsewhere.

 

 

I like David Moyes and his recent comments he is in charge and so should Pardew

Edited 15 August, 2009 by John B

[EastleighSoulBoy]

To be honest it could be a misunderstanding. I have no problem with someone experienced in football handling transfer negotiations, as they will actually know when to tell a club/player to stop taking the p*ss and either accept or look elsewhere, whereas Cortese (whilst showing to be a great worker) could be taken for a mug in some situations.

It DOES NOT actually say that the DOF will be DECIDING who to buy, just that they will be sanctioning any deals.

 

It probably won't be an ex manager at all. Just another businessman who knows football

 

MJ anyone? :smt081

[StInky]

I'm out of area, but it would interesting to read the whole article. Does it talk about the other four members of "the advisory committee"? Could it be they're looking to make SFC more than a football club? Additional income streams, diversification and all that? Long term of course. Makes sense.

[The Godfather]

Chelsea have one, he's called Peter Kenyon.

[dubai_phil]

Every football club on the planet has a Board of Directors.

The manager reports to the Board of Directors and always has done.

Seeing as our current Board have nobody on it who know anything about Football perhaps some on here are reading this the wrong way, as in this is being done to HELP AP as he could be frustrated having to explain everything to a bunch of wise but inexperienced businessmen.

 

Those against appointing somebody with experience show extremely short term memories, as in "remember the last time we had a Board with no experience of Football"

 

The man who believes he is an expert on everything is a fool. The man who asks experts is wise

[marc_saint]

WGS? That might explain his appearance at the Millwall game.

 

Or just that he fancied seeing a game as he still lives in Warsash.

[amsterdam]

I don't think it is anything to worry about tbh.

In a recent interview with NC (BBC Solent, perhaps?) I remember him commenting about how he'd been so busy in the last month that his wife and family were complaining? Plus he must have realised by now certain areas where he is out of his depth, knowledge-wise, so makes sense to bring an advisor on board.

If I was running the business and feeling overwhelmed, I'd bring in people too.

 

Having said that, if he appoints Dennis Wise then I'm packing it in....

[The boy done well]

Shortly after the takeover was completed wasn't it mentioned that Liebherr and Cortese favoured the system of a manager and a DOF/Sporting Director. If this is correct AP would have been aware of it when he took the job. Don't ask me to find the reference. It's just something that seems to have stuck in my mind.

[Lets B Avenue]

It probably won't be an ex manager at all. Just another businessman who knows football

 

R Lowe Esq

[bigtonesfc]

R Lowe Esq

 

Cant see him being much help!

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/3058061_1

[NickG]

bit on sky the other day, summary was, despite all good old boy English managers saying you don't need them - every club has someone in that role.

 

Just comes down to titles, personalities and egos

[Toomer]

WGS if he were to join the party I think his job will be to help AP with post match comments.

[itchen_dan]

I've got a feeling that Matt Le Tiss could be in for the job??

[Rebel]

Huw Jennings would be good for that role

 

You want s football man but not a ex-manager, old manager or wannabe manager

[Toadhall Saint]

No probs with that - I always thought Ted played that role. It ensures that football is represnted on the board of a football club. The day we lost Ted was the start of our demise. I'm sure AP will have been fully aware of the likely make up of the board. This is a very important role and will not have been rushed.

[WestSaint]

In this division, there is less of a role for a director of football I would have thought. With the appointment of a Sporting director, his role could also involve other sports for the stadium such as organisation for the Rugby World cup that is coming.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I've got a feeling that Matt Le Tiss could be in for the job??

 

I hear there is no chance of that happening.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think there needs to be a link between Pardew and Cortese and providing no one steps out of their boundaries there should be no problem. Pardew must have the last say on player selection, tactics and other on field activities however. We have had a little too much board room dabbling to last us all a lifetime.

[SaintRichmond]

What do you mean knows football

 

 

The manager should know what players he wants the Chairman/Chief Exec should negoiate contracts anything else will lead to problems which has happened elsewhere.

 

 

I like David Moyes and his recent comments he is in charge and so should Pardew

 

 

I'll believe that when Lescott remains an Everton player ..... in spite of Everton saying he's NOT for sale, and Man City ignoring that and putting in Bids on a daily basis ..... TOTALLY out of order IMHO

 

.... They say MONEY does not Buy Success ..... in Man City's case, I sincerely hope that is true

[oxfordshire_saint]

Woodward out!

[VectisSaint]

What a lot of fuss about nothing. I would be amazed if AP did not know this before he took the job, and anyway it is eminently sensible. Let the manager do his job of identifying needs and checking out players, while Sporting Director (no mention of Director of Football by the way) negotiates transfers, contracts etc., just like every other club in the country - except some give this role to the CEO, or to some idiot called Lowe. The article also says this will be done before the transfer window opens next summer!!

 

There are some people on here who have got so used to bad things coming from the Club because of the way Lowe organisued things that they are now paranoid that everyone else is as big a duffer as that prat was. In the end if AP did have a problem with this (and I am 100% confident he will not) then he could take a hike, no man is bigger than the club.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by EastleighSoulBoy

I think that this is probably going to be position in support of the manager? So that AP can identify the players he needs, areas he needs strengthening etc and this new post is for someone to go do the initial contact, discussions etc and leave AP to be free for all the day to day running of training etc?

I suppose really that's what i'm hoping - I don't want this new feeling of togetherness ruined by more divides at boardroom/management level.

 

From what I can gather from other bits from the Echo, it's going to be the continental set up. Pardew will be reporting directly to the sporting director, no if's buts or ands there! I get the feeling they want it set up and working before going back into the Premier, so nothing immediate for a season or two. Bearing in mind the back ground of Cortese it does not come as that big a shock.

 

Not so sure Pardew is going to be completely happy with this, but it also looks as that is not a factor in the decision. It's the old golden rule, the man with the gold makes the rule.

[krissyboy31]

Chelsea have one, he's called Peter Kenyon.

 

Frank Arnesen is Sporting Director, Kenyon is CEO.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's not about identifying transfers, its sanctioning transfers. Cortese does not know much about football, so if Pardew identifies someone rubbish and wants to spend £4m on them, Cortese wouldn't know any better. A sporting director would. He would also collate all the scouting information and recommend players to Pardew.

 

That is my understanding anyway.

[WealdSaint]

It won't happen...but a good role for Lawrie?

[ottery st mary]

I believe a football man like AP would be glad to deal with A Sports Director..answerable to one person who knows what they are doing etc Makes life a lot more straightforward in order for him to get on with the team....

 

Our Dutch Manager JP had to report to Wotte, Phil De Whale, Rupes, Wildey and Cowey.

Didn't know whether he was coming or going.

[krissyboy31]

Every football club on the planet has a Board of Directors.

The manager reports to the Board of Directors and always has done.

Seeing as our current Board have nobody on it who know anything about Football perhaps some on here are reading this the wrong way, as in this is being done to HELP AP as he could be frustrated having to explain everything to a bunch of wise but inexperienced businessmen.

 

Those against appointing somebody with experience show extremely short term memories, as in "remember the last time we had a Board with no experience of Football"

 

The man who believes he is an expert on everything is a fool. The man who asks experts is wise

 

Correct! So far, AFAIA we currently have 3 directors Cortese, Oldknow and Jones, running the whole business. I'm not sure whether Jones is a permanent appointment, I suspect not and believe that he is the currently performing the acting Sporting Director role in addition to his FD duties. I would suspect that NC will employ 3 new names to the BoD and dispense with Jones.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It won't happen...but a good role for Lawrie?

 

No, to put it bluntly. Doesn't know enough about football, plus he was here when we were ****ed. Fresh start remember.

[Saint Charlie]

I think there needs to be a link between Pardew and Cortese and providing no one steps out of their boundaries there should be no problem. Pardew must have the last say on player selection, tactics and other on field activities however. We have had a little too much board room dabbling to last us all a lifetime.

 

Exactly and the new owners etc know this.Any appointment would be sensible and with clear and defined roles. So far they have made ultimately fantastic decisions so its hard to see any chance of them totally mucking up on this.

 

When this works well it would be a good structure. Pardew said previously he is fed up of dealing with agents all the time and wants to be on the training ground. This structure done properly would allow him to focus on this whilst still deciding who comes in and out!

[jam]

Every football club on the planet has a Board of Directors.

The manager reports to the Board of Directors and always has done.

Seeing as our current Board have nobody on it who know anything about Football perhaps some on here are reading this the wrong way, as in this is being done to HELP AP as he could be frustrated having to explain everything to a bunch of wise but inexperienced businessmen.

 

Those against appointing somebody with experience show extremely short term memories, as in "remember the last time we had a Board with no experience of Football"

 

The man who believes he is an expert on everything is a fool. The man who asks experts is wise

 

+1

 

Thanks for saving me a load of typing, Phil.

[Weston Saint]

Having read the whole article in the Echo I do not see a problem with this. At present Pardew identifies what he wants and goes to Cortese who, if he is happy, negotiates. All that is happening is that Cortese is giving that part of the job to a Sporting Director in due course. So no change for Pardew, just a different face with a bit more football knowledge and experience.

[Delmary]

Having read the whole article in the Echo I do not see a problem with this. At present Pardew identifies what he wants and goes to Cortese who, if he is happy, negotiates. All that is happening is that Cortese is giving that part of the job to a Sporting Director in due course. So no change for Pardew, just a different face with a bit more football knowledge and experience.

It's a good move and I'm sure AP is very supportive. It'll free up AP to put 100% effort into managing and coaching the team. AP has stated that he's recently spent far too much time away from first team activities.

[krissyboy31]

Having read the whole article in the Echo I do not see a problem with this. At present Pardew identifies what he wants and goes to Cortese who, if he is happy, negotiates. All that is happening is that Cortese is giving that part of the job to a Sporting Director in due course. So no change for Pardew, just a different face with a bit more football knowledge and experience.

 

I agree and this has been on the cards from day one of the takeover. AP will have been well briefed about ML/NC's plans for the club and will have known that they are looking to employ a Sporting Director. I think friction is caused when another 'manager' is placed in the DoF roll, without the prior knowledge of the incumbent Team Manager.

[Under Weststand]

I can understand the nervousness about this, however so far the way that ML & NC have gone about restructuring/rebuilding the club have been pretty good. I would be amazed if Pardew was not aware of what they had in mind & their plans for the future, probably including a DOF. As long as its AP going to the DOF instead of Cortese & discussing who he'd like/need & letting that person do the deal then can't see the problem, makes sense actualy.

[NI76]

Having read the whole article in the Echo I do not see a problem with this. At present Pardew identifies what he wants and goes to Cortese who, if he is happy, negotiates. All that is happening is that Cortese is giving that part of the job to a Sporting Director in due course. So no change for Pardew, just a different face with a bit more football knowledge and experience.

 

Surely the fact that they'll have more football knowledge is the whole problem, or has the potential to be.

 

At the moment Pardew tells Cortese who he wants and how much he thinks it's worth spending, Cortese has never heard of them so does the deal.

 

A Sporting Director who has footballing knowledge is almost certainly bound to have different opinions on some players to Pardew (let's face it, we all do) and the first time he advises Cortese not to purchase a player that Pardew wants the problems start.

 

Recipe for disaster in my opinion.