Media fight Poortvliet and Wotte

[explorer saint]

End of the day Lowe appointed soembody on the cheap who he has himself was not up to the job, fair play to JP what he supposed to do say I dont want the job, what with a I'm sure a huge salary increase.

Another poor LR decison, and JP's comments do not surprise me no wonder the club was in turmoil on the pitch as well as off

[benjii]

Hello,

After reading this topic I phoned a friend over in the Netherlands who was friendly enough to translate the whole interview with Poortvliet. The interview was done by football magazine Voetbal International.

 

(he apologises for some of his English)

 

 

VI: How do you look back at your time in England?

 

JP: It was an awful time. At the start it sounded great, I had always dreamed of being a football trainer in England. Though from day one I was in an awkward situation. It started with the court case against Helmond Sport, where I was working at the time. Its sad it all went that way. I had a great time working at Helmond and I hoped they would let me go, sadly they didn’t. However I decided to fight the case because Southampton really wanted me. I had hoped the club would have supported me throughout the case, regardless of the verdict. The verdict was that I had to pay Helmond 75 thousand euro. When I signed my contract in England, the small letters in my contract stated that I had to pay the amount myself. The contract wasn’t what I expected, it was a rollover contract, that after every year there would be a option for the next. This was after we had agreed on a 3 year contract.

 

VI: Why did you sign?

 

JP: It all came very sudden to me. I was there in England on my own without a manager or anything. I didn’t know any better so I just signed.

 

VI: What else went wrong at Southampton?

 

JP: Southampton is a den of vipers, I soon found out. It’s a club going in all different ways. Over the last few years many people have been in charge of the club and still have influence on the organisation. The chairman at the time, Rupert Lowe, was hated by almost everyone. He signed me, but he was soon pressured to sack me. Lowe got very restless, he started interfering with everything. He started moaning about the fact that our goalkeeper, Kelvin Davis, didn’t join in with the football. Davis has been a goalkeeper for 20 years, I cant teach him in 1 day how to play a ball I would say. We started having all that kind of pointless arguments. They started doing all kinds of strange things. At the end I there all on my own. The goalkeepers trainer and the assistant manager were sacked, both for no apparent reason. It was a madhouse. No one at Southampton has ever heard of working together, everyone wants to be in charge. It drives you mad.

 

VI: You would function in a tandem with Mark Wotte, who was appointed at the same time as you as academy director. What was his position?

 

JP: He has never done anything at all to support me. He was out for just one thing, my job.

 

VI: The rumour has it he was critical about you to the board.

 

JP: That was what I heard as well. I constantly heard rumours how he was trying to nick my job. Officially he was appointed as academy director, however on Saturdays he was never at the youth games. He was always in the directors box watching the first team, home and away. That’s Mark Wotte for you. When you see him its obvious, in his suit with his chin up. He thought he was above me and that he deserved to have my job. Eventually he got what he wanted. After I had been sacked he took over right away. His mission was accomplished, well done.

 

VI: The combination Poortvliet-Wotte was impossible.

 

JP: It was a mistake to put us two together. We are completely different people, but I did my best to make it work. I wanted to include him in everything and I didn’t mind working with him. But for Mark that wasn’t enough. He had his own agenda. Eventually are working relationship got that bad that one of us had to go. He or me. I then tried to get rid of him, I am honest about that. But the club didn’t want to sack him and I was sacked. At the start I was upset about it, however eventually I was delighted, I lived under huge stress for 6 months, I was glad to be home.

 

VI: Southampton had some bad results whilst you were in charge. You were sacked, when the club was second to last in the Championship.

 

JP: The squad was very young and almost all the players were between 17 and early 20. Fiscally we were poor and we missed a natural goalscorer. But I did what I had to do, develop young talented players and sometimes we played some very good football. Eventually I sacked due to poor results, that happens. Mark thought he could do a better job. In the end Southampton were relegated. Very sad for the club but I was happy they did. I felt done by Mark and when he was relegated it was a relief for me. Under Mark they reverted to playing the English game. He played the older experienced players. The transfer value of the younger players went down again. He ruined all the work I did at the club.

 

VI: Was the adventure financially interesting?

 

JP: Don’t be daft, I had a basic salary and had to pay Helmond Sport. It has cost me money. It was one big fiasco.

 

Frankly, after reading that, Poortvliet seems like a complete idiot.

 

Cheers for the translation.

[SaintDonkey]

All history.

 

The one thing I will say is that JP was a better player than anyone reading this forum (unless MLT is lurking somewhere) and will always deserve respect for that.

[saint lard]

The whole thing was a circus from start to finish.

All those involved are partly to blame for contributing to the demise of SFC during that period.

Feck them all,they are history.

[IamLeGod]

Who cares?

 

Ultimately, they are not the reason we are in the position we are now, they were pretty much the last nail in the coffin.

 

As said above, their hands were effectively tied, the club had less than no money, and whilst everyone can point to their lack of knowledge of the league, they werent helped by being forced to field players from a squad that had very little experience of competitive football, let alone the fizzy pop league!

 

The appointment last summer (as up and away mentions) was frankly irrelevant, our fate at this point was pretty much sealed, we were already in deep trouble from decisions made going several years back.

 

I am amazed at the lack of blame Burley takes, some of his signings were shocking, over-rated, over-paid, uninterested players, that never really looked like getting us out of the CCC and look where we are now.

 

Poor decisions before this were also to blame, the failure to back WGS on the back of the cup final, which ultimately led to his departure, and then the ridiculous revolving door manager policy which followed...

 

Really JP and MW had very little to do with it, if they want to ***** and moan to the media let them, that includes Lowe, they are gone, and we are moving on. We have a wealthy owner, who more importantly seems to actually have his head screwed on, a decent sound exec chairman and the best manager we have had in quite some time!

 

To the future...

 

COYS!!

[Bailey]

Thankfully all of this is behind us now. Time to move on.

[Lets B Avenue]

I don't agree. Without these two twonks we could (and should) be still in the Championship, with or without administration. The new regime has to make up for the complete dross we put up with last season.

[converted_saint]

Well, this is pure gold! And to be fair to Poortvliet, it all sounds plausible. Wotte always struck me as a slimy character, seeking to be the hero. But to be fair, regardless of which side we believe in this 'spat', the whole thing just smacks of incompetence, on all sides, which we pretty much already knew about anyway.

 

In hindsight, yes, the last two (maybe more) seasons have been pure hell for us fans, but we've come out of it a hell of a lot rosier, so we've that to be thankful for at least. If Lowe hadn't got us into the mess, if Pearson had stayed on and kept us up, we might still be struggling and always fighting an ultimately losing battle against ourselves. I just thank the heavens we're out the other side and have now got a chance to move on, debt-free and, despite being in League One on -10, we're in such a better position. I have absolutely no doubt that administration has been the best thing for Saints...in fact, I remember saying it to a mate back in the days of Burley when we were hurtling towards admin, I said then it would be no bad thing. And it hasn't been. Liebherr et al will drive this club on and write a new chapter in its glorious history and unwrite the wrongs that have been done under Lowe. Only a short time into their reign you can see that the new owners are running a tight ship and showing genuine love for the club already. This club will now only prosper and erase the scars of its recent past, however formative they have been. COME ON YOU SAINTS!

[Wes Tender]

So the two Dutch managerial non-entities have had a major falling out with each other. Who cares a toss? They're gone, Lowe's gone, Wilde, Askham, Wiseman, Gordon, Hunt, Richards, all of them are history.

 

I really can't be that bothered to waste time considering who was to blame, (Lowe was) how things might have been had some other scenario come to pass if Pearson had not been dismissed, had we played with a better blend of youth and experience, etc.

 

Let's just be thankful that we have been delivered into a future that is full of hope and positive expectation, owned by somebody wealthy, highly proficient in business and professional, led by a manager experienced in British football at this level and above and able to identify and sign top level players capable of gaining us promotion back to the Premiership.

 

It's going to be an exciting journey, these next four or five years. Let's look ahead, rather than over our shoulder.

[Whitey Grandad]

As part of our club's history it's always interesting to hear from one who was involved, but it just confirms what many of us suspected all along.

[Rattlehead]

One cannot help wondering how Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray would fare in a tag team against the Dutch managersh.

[eelpie]

I blame Lowe.

 

The whole thing was a debacle,to say the least,from start to finish.

 

They were both put into positions that they could not sucsessfully fulfil to their limited potentials.

 

Best of luck to the both of them.

End of.

 

Only Lowe could bring in two diametrically different, squabbling personalities to oversee his 'experiment'. Typical of his lack of understanding of people and football. How our football suffered for years under his arrogant meddling. Thank goodness we have moved on.

[saint_boysie]

There are some Divs on this forum, aint there?

 

Jan says he was "completely unaware" of the "level" of the league he was in - the English second tier the fifth most popular league in Europe and probably the fifth richest.

 

Completely unaware? Completely unaware?

 

But because he peppers his quotes with a few vaguely anti-Lowe rentaquotes you lap it up. Poor old Jan he loves Saints through and through etc etc etc.

 

Completely unaware of the level of the league.

 

God help us.

 

LMAO..

[Saint Fan CaM]

Get down negative men and move on. Those two are the past - leave 'em there.

[Smirking_Saint]

Lowe interfering in everything again, something i have heard all too many times before from first hand experiences.

 

Lowe was a cancer of the club, ask anyone who has had the misfortune of working with the rosey cheeked clown.

 

I am glad it is all over and done with now, Wotte seems smug and arrogant, he had earnt my respect after the season had ended with him staying on, however with JP saying this he has lost it again.

 

That being said JP seems like a clueless rabbit in headlights muppet. Surely you don't sign a contract without reading it, and you don't take a high responsibility job without understanding the responsibilities.

 

Wow, so glad that circus is over.

 

Liebheer, Cortese, you are my heroes. (oh, and you too MLT, always )

[LaptopSaint]

Hello,

After reading this topic I phoned a friend over in the Netherlands who was friendly enough to translate the whole interview with Poortvliet. The interview was done by football magazine Voetbal International.

 

(he apologises for some of his English)

 

 

VI: How do you look back at your time in England?

 

JP: It was an awful time. At the start it sounded great, I had always dreamed of being a football trainer in England. Though from day one I was in an awkward situation. It started with the court case against Helmond Sport, where I was working at the time. Its sad it all went that way. I had a great time working at Helmond and I hoped they would let me go, sadly they didn’t. However I decided to fight the case because Southampton really wanted me. I had hoped the club would have supported me throughout the case, regardless of the verdict. The verdict was that I had to pay Helmond 75 thousand euro. When I signed my contract in England, the small letters in my contract stated that I had to pay the amount myself. The contract wasn’t what I expected, it was a rollover contract, that after every year there would be a option for the next. This was after we had agreed on a 3 year contract.

 

VI: Why did you sign?

 

JP: It all came very sudden to me. I was there in England on my own without a manager or anything. I didn’t know any better so I just signed.

 

VI: What else went wrong at Southampton?

 

JP: Southampton is a den of vipers, I soon found out. It’s a club going in all different ways. Over the last few years many people have been in charge of the club and still have influence on the organisation. The chairman at the time, Rupert Lowe, was hated by almost everyone. He signed me, but he was soon pressured to sack me. Lowe got very restless, he started interfering with everything. He started moaning about the fact that our goalkeeper, Kelvin Davis, didn’t join in with the football. Davis has been a goalkeeper for 20 years, I cant teach him in 1 day how to play a ball I would say. We started having all that kind of pointless arguments. They started doing all kinds of strange things. At the end I there all on my own. The goalkeepers trainer and the assistant manager were sacked, both for no apparent reason. It was a madhouse. No one at Southampton has ever heard of working together, everyone wants to be in charge. It drives you mad.

 

VI: You would function in a tandem with Mark Wotte, who was appointed at the same time as you as academy director. What was his position?

 

JP: He has never done anything at all to support me. He was out for just one thing, my job.

 

VI: The rumour has it he was critical about you to the board.

 

JP: That was what I heard as well. I constantly heard rumours how he was trying to nick my job. Officially he was appointed as academy director, however on Saturdays he was never at the youth games. He was always in the directors box watching the first team, home and away. That’s Mark Wotte for you. When you see him its obvious, in his suit with his chin up. He thought he was above me and that he deserved to have my job. Eventually he got what he wanted. After I had been sacked he took over right away. His mission was accomplished, well done.

 

VI: The combination Poortvliet-Wotte was impossible.

 

JP: It was a mistake to put us two together. We are completely different people, but I did my best to make it work. I wanted to include him in everything and I didn’t mind working with him. But for Mark that wasn’t enough. He had his own agenda. Eventually are working relationship got that bad that one of us had to go. He or me. I then tried to get rid of him, I am honest about that. But the club didn’t want to sack him and I was sacked. At the start I was upset about it, however eventually I was delighted, I lived under huge stress for 6 months, I was glad to be home.

 

VI: Southampton had some bad results whilst you were in charge. You were sacked, when the club was second to last in the Championship.

 

JP: The squad was very young and almost all the players were between 17 and early 20. Fiscally we were poor and we missed a natural goalscorer. But I did what I had to do, develop young talented players and sometimes we played some very good football. Eventually I sacked due to poor results, that happens. Mark thought he could do a better job. In the end Southampton were relegated. Very sad for the club but I was happy they did. I felt done by Mark and when he was relegated it was a relief for me. Under Mark they reverted to playing the English game. He played the older experienced players. The transfer value of the younger players went down again. He ruined all the work I did at the club.

 

VI: Was the adventure financially interesting?

 

JP: Don’t be daft, I had a basic salary and had to pay Helmond Sport. It has cost me money. It was one big fiasco.

 

Just for the record, nothing in this translation about being completely unaware of the level of the CCC.

 

But as several have said this is all thankfully history.

 

Admin could have gone either way. We rolled the dice and thank god it came up good.

[torsaint]

Wrote to Mike Wilde before and during last season making all the points about Portvliet's lack of knowledge, use of youth team etc. Wilde replied that eveyone was working hard to solve the finances. Clueless the lot of them.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Never heard a coach admit that he was 'happy' his former club were relegated before :mad: - I'll respond by restating that the vast majority of Saints fans were even more happy to see the back of you Jan Poortvliet .

 

Tragic that you lost money coming over here , let's get the buckets out again and have a whip round . I understand the minimum wage is about £5.97 an hour - all you're worth to be honest .

[dubai_phil]

When starting on a journey, it is important to know where you are starting from, especially nowdays with all your GPS's!

 

The interview is interesting as it starts to build up the details of a story that deep down, we all believe we know. What it does is it to help fill in some of the gaps.

 

It is a part of history now and as I've said before, it SHOULD be told so that we can move on.

 

We were a joke of a football club, there is still more to come from those dark days, including the REAL facts about the financial mess that caused the idiotic decisions to appoint the Dutch to be made.

 

But the stories should be consigned to a history book now, if you keep looking at your GPS and trying to look at where you have been rather than where you are going you tend to crash or simply to get lost.

 

It's funny in an ironic sort of way, but it's FF's job now to collate all of these snippets and give us all a nice horror story to read on a beach one day.

[fisho]

When starting on a journey, it is important to know where you are starting from, especially nowdays with all your GPS's!

 

The interview is interesting as it starts to build up the details of a story that deep down, we all believe we know. What it does is it to help fill in some of the gaps.

 

It is a part of history now and as I've said before, it SHOULD be told so that we can move on.

 

We were a joke of a football club, there is still more to come from those dark days, including the REAL facts about the financial mess that caused the idiotic decisions to appoint the Dutch to be made.

 

But the stories should be consigned to a history book now, if you keep looking at your GPS and trying to look at where you have been rather than where you are going you tend to crash or simply to get lost.

 

It's funny in an ironic sort of way, but it's FF's job now to collate all of these snippets and give us all a nice horror story to read on a beach one day.

 

I do agree with you phil, while this is our past, and as such should remain consigned to that. It is never a bad thing for people to know what did happen at our club, in the hope that people should never repeat such devastating cycle that has lead our club to currently lie bottom of league 1 with minus 9 points.

[Verbal]

Lowe got very restless, he started interfering with everything. He started moaning about the fact that our goalkeeper, Kelvin Davis, didn’t join in with the football. Davis has been a goalkeeper for 20 years, I cant teach him in 1 day how to play a ball I would say. We started having all that kind of pointless arguments. They started doing all kinds of strange things. At the end I there all on my own. The goalkeepers trainer and the assistant manager were sacked, both for no apparent reason. It was a madhouse. No one at Southampton has ever heard of working together, everyone wants to be in charge.

 

Nice 'told you so' moment there for one or two on here.

 

At least Lowe didn't waste too much money on the Dutch jokers. JP had to pay £60,000 compensation to Helmond, but his salary was only £60,000 - so he was working for nothing.

[Wopper]

What a coincidence a billionare turns up the minute Lowes out the door.

[Wes Tender]

I do agree with you phil, while this is our past, and as such should remain consigned to that. It is never a bad thing for people to know what did happen at our club, in the hope that people should never repeat such devastating cycle that has lead our club to currently lie bottom of league 1 with minus 9 points.

 

I'm quite content that the new people know precisely why things went wrong with this club, so it will be easy to avoid the same pitfalls.

 

Just because we are owned by one individual means by itself that we will not suffer the divisions caused by the rampant egos of several individual shareholders.

 

Most on here don't have to be geniusses to know that stability is to be preferred to constant change where managers are concerned.

 

Where employees such as managers and players are concerned, the old adage that if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys should never be ignored.

 

Lastly, this is a business that relies on the continued attendance and support of its customers, the fans, to both survive and thrive.

 

I'm completely confident that the new owner realises that and will not abuse us or take us for granted like the other fella did. What was his name, now?

[Tamesaint]

Well, this is pure gold! And to be fair to Poortvliet, it all sounds plausible. Wotte always struck me as a slimy character, seeking to be the hero. But to be fair, regardless of which side we believe in this 'spat', the whole thing just smacks of incompetence, on all sides, which we pretty much already knew about anyway.

 

In hindsight, yes, the last two (maybe more) seasons have been pure hell for us fans, but we've come out of it a hell of a lot rosier, so we've that to be thankful for at least. If Lowe hadn't got us into the mess, if Pearson had stayed on and kept us up, we might still be struggling and always fighting an ultimately losing battle against ourselves. I just thank the heavens we're out the other side and have now got a chance to move on, debt-free and, despite being in League One on -10, we're in such a better position. I have absolutely no doubt that administration has been the best thing for Saints...in fact, I remember saying it to a mate back in the days of Burley when we were hurtling towards admin, I said then it would be no bad thing. And it hasn't been. Liebherr et al will drive this club on and write a new chapter in its glorious history and unwrite the wrongs that have been done under Lowe. Only a short time into their reign you can see that the new owners are running a tight ship and showing genuine love for the club already. This club will now only prosper and erase the scars of its recent past, however formative they have been. COME ON YOU SAINTS!

 

 

 

+1

 

Thank God that the incompetent clown Lowee is out of the way and we can move on. Good old Barclays for pulling the plug!!!

Edited 15 August, 2009 by Tamesaint

[WestSaint]

Phew!! Thank God the lot of them have gone

[SaintRichmond]

Just for one minute take Lowe out of the equation and look at the facts at the time. When Pearson saved us on the last day of the season I was hopeful he would stay, equally I admitted we were odds on favourites for relegation the following season even with Pearson. When we failed to get rid of high salaries or manage fees for players we were cooked with a capital F. Our very, very slim chance of getting out of this mess was to get another Wallcott / Bale out of what we had and screw the lid down on the finances so the bank would not put us into admin. Because the logic of the situation revolved around the youth, there was some sense in the appointment and early play against West Ham and Stoke gave us some hope. Even if Pearson had managed to scrape us through to the end of the season and miraculously we had stayed up, that would have been nowhere near the end of things. We were still odds on to go into administration the following season and a fire sale of everything we held unless we could get mega money for any of our players. We were never going to get that from some old has been who could kick an attacker as far as some could kick a ball, we had to get the money from the youth.

 

We were in a monumental stranglehold that would dictate virtually everything we did, yet I hear no one complaining about the facts that got us into this mess.

 

As it is, we seem to have cashed all that momentous stupidity into one massive stroke of luck with Liebherr. You can see the Norwich board and fans looking in our direction as absolute proof there is no God.

 

 

 

 

..... OK ... minutes up ..... now put Lowe BACK in the equation ........

 

...... Ah .....That's better..... end of debate really:cool:.

[saint lard]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2589197/Rupert-Lowe-An-apology.html

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2589197/Rupert-Lowe-An-apology.html

 

Good to see the public damage his ego recived is still hurting - something tells me it'll recover .

[Verbal]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2589197/Rupert-Lowe-An-apology.html

 

Sounds like Roops has got himself a full-time job.

[SW11_Saint]

It was all a ridiculous, ridiculous folly, and was clearly not going to work - although sadly those in charge of the club refused to see that. Nice to hear some detail from JP though.

 

Just another catastrophe from L*** - let's put it behind us now and move on. At last we have sensible ownership, sensible guys running the club, and a sensible manager - all very 'against the grain' for Saints, but let's enjoy it!

[samoakley]

I think JP would be a quality coach we should get him back as res manager get are young players playing good football at res level and prepare them for 1st team.

[SW11_Saint]

I think JP would be a quality coach we should get him back as res manager get are young players playing good football at res level and prepare them for 1st team.

Very funny! LOL.

[Chap in the Chapel]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2589197/Rupert-Lowe-An-apology.html

 

That's the second apology he's obtained from a national newspaper in two weeks. Obviously Rupert still feels he has a reputation in football that needs protecting. I bet the consultancy work is just rolling in...

[OldNick]

That's the second apology he's obtained from a national newspaper in two weeks. Obviously Rupert still feels he has a reputation in football that needs protecting. I bet the consultancy work is just rolling in...

It's a grudgining 1 isn't it? Lol.

As far as im concerned he sacked Gray, Wigley, Jan, Merrington (?)

Souness GH, WGS PS left on their own accord

Basset/Wise caretakers

NP contract ended.

Jones (not entirely sure how that can be viewed)

[Whitey Grandad]

That's the second apology he's obtained from a national newspaper in two weeks. Obviously Rupert still feels he has a reputation in football that needs protecting. I bet the consultancy work is just rolling in...

This type of action from Lowe is only harming what litle reputation he has left and will not change anybody's opinion of his ability to 'manage' a football club. He must have a very *****ly ego to think that it is technically 9 or 10 managers that he has 'sacked'. His results speak for themselves.

 

Methinks the laddy doth protest too much.

 

(all in my humble opinion, of course)

[ottery st mary]

Rupes clearing the decks for the mighty takeover at Pompey or is it at Swindon.

[OldNick]

He is history and that can only be good for us now. He still has a right to stop any wrongful accusations made against him.All along he has had that monkey around his neck and that has not helped him or our club.

[krissyboy31]

It's a grudgining 1 isn't it? Lol.

As far as im concerned he sacked Gray, Wigley, Jan, Merrington (?)

Souness GH, WGS PS left on their own accord

Basset/Wise caretakers

NP contract ended.

Jones (not entirely sure how that can be viewed)

 

I think that's right but Jones was constructive dismissal at best. What is probably true though that most of the ones that he didn't sack, left because of him.

[Stax]

I blame Lowe.

 

The whole thing was a debacle,to say the least,from start to finish.

 

They were both put into positions that they could not sucsessfully fulfil to their limited potentials.

 

Best of luck to the both of them.

End of.

 

Gotta agree with this Lowe is to blame he sacked a top manager in NP and brought in the Dutch duo. But if we had stayed up, maybe they would all still be here and we wouldnt have ML.

[VectisSaint]

It's a grudgining 1 isn't it? Lol.

As far as im concerned he sacked Gray, Wigley, Jan, Merrington (?)

Souness GH, WGS PS left on their own accord

Basset/Wise caretakers

NP contract ended.

Jones (not entirely sure how that can be viewed)

The funniest thing about the "apology" is that it says they are happy to put the record straight. But they don't. I could read that and think that perhaps it was actually only 9, or it could be more. Is there more in the printed article?

 

How long before Lowe demands an apology from VI or whatever the magazine was that the JP article was in. Lowe really continues to show his true colours, a total ****.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Jan seemed decent bloke, totally out of his depth,but he's hardly going to turn the job down. I spoke to a Dutch Bar owner in Spain during the summer and he said JP is well respected in Holland for being a very good player. He also told me that Wotte has a bad reputation and has an overrated opinion of himself. It was a round the time he was reportedly off to Egypt, and the Bar owner said "you've had a lucky escape". I was glad he got fired and can well beleive JP's account of him being stabbed in the back. They came as a duo and should have left as a duo.

 

As for Lowe, this just confirms everything I've ever thought about the Bloke. Dont forget there were people on this site prepared to run down and slander Lawrie Mac, Mike Osman and others on the basis they were against Lowe .

[gordonToo]

JP: I had a basic salary and had to pay Helmond Sport. It has cost me money. It was one big fiasco.

 

Sums it all up really, doesn't it?

[eelpie]

Even considering that Lowe might have thought that Poortvliet and Wotte were skilled in their jobs (he had been considering appointing them years ago), what I cannot understand is how Lowe could have had no inkling that the two disparate characters might not work harmoniously together. Surely he must have seen the two together at some time!

[eelpie]

He is history and that can only be good for us now. He still has a right to stop any wrongful accusations made against him.All along he has had that monkey around his neck and that has not helped him or our club.

 

Lowe will finally be history when we have cancelled out his minus 10 points, AND survived this season. His poisonous legacy is still with us.

[OldNick]

Lowe will finally be history when we have cancelled out his minus 10 points, AND survived this season. His poisonous legacy is still with us.

I dont hold with it being RL's -10. It was a collective disaster. I wish for the facts all be put in front of us so we can then see the real truth of it.I dotn see any of the past regimes being clean of helping us get into this mire.

[OldNick]

Dont forget there were people on this site prepared to run down and slander Lawrie Mac, and others on the basis they were against Lowe .

I myself was not against LM due him being anti Lowe, I think we all had a cetrtain axe to grind with him.As I say I would rather us get on with the future and the wouldns whilst are obviously still there, they are starting to stop weeping.

[Channon's Sideburns]

He is history and that can only be good for us now. He still has a right to stop any wrongful accusations made against him.All along he has had that monkey around his neck and that has not helped him or our club.

 

Wish he did have a monkey round his neck :-)

[KMondo]

Gotta agree with this Lowe is to blame he sacked a top manager in NP and brought in the Dutch duo. But if we had stayed up, maybe they would all still be here and we wouldnt have ML.

 

I wouldn't disagree with that - although a small unpleasant part of me does have a grudging respect for him for persuading JP to work for nothing.

[Daren W]

There are some Divs on this forum, aint there?

 

Jan says he was "completely unaware" of the "level" of the league he was in - the English second tier the fifth most popular league in Europe and probably the fifth richest.

 

Completely unaware? Completely unaware?

 

But because he peppers his quotes with a few vaguely anti-Lowe rentaquotes you lap it up. Poor old Jan he loves Saints through and through etc etc etc.

 

Completely unaware of the level of the league.

 

God help us.

 

But how many people would appoint someone who was Completely unaware of the level of the league?

 

If your boss employed someone who had no idea of what his job entailled would you blame the new employee or the boss who hired him?

 

The interview finally states, in print, that Lowe interfered with the football side of things, something that has been rumoured on here for ages and written off as paranoid rubbish from Lowe obessees...

 

Sadly it appears to have been right all along...

[Jonnyboy]

Never heard a coach admit that he was 'happy' his former club were relegated before :mad: - I'll respond by restating that the vast majority of Saints fans were even more happy to see the back of you Jan Poortvliet .

 

Tragic that you lost money coming over here , let's get the buckets out again and have a whip round . I understand the minimum wage is about £5.97 an hour - all you're worth to be honest .

 

You can bet Wotte did well for himself, what with having had a new contract paid off with no work done.

Arse-hole