samoakley Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think hes a good defender and i play football and coach, i think hes a good defender he has commitment for tackles and headers which he is both good at and that is what you want from defenders also he can pop up with the odd goal. Defo a decent league one defender maybe a good defender for lower championship clubs so hes worth brining in for 2 maybe 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Get him in ASAP. He would be a very good squad player at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Id get him in as a squad player, it isnt very often you have a player desperate to wear a saints shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Id get him in as a squad player, it isnt very often you have a player desperate to wear a saints shirt TBH it has become more popular in recent weeks. Can't imagine why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If hes smart he or his agent will call AP and offer to come for a trial. Lets be honest AP have probbably never ever heard of him before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If hes smart he or his agent will call AP and offer to come for a trial. Lets be honest AP have probbably never ever heard of him before. Just a thought that maybe Thorpie is his agent ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If he had really done so well then there would be a row of championship clubs lining up for his services, especially as he will be very cheap.. the apparent lack of them would seem to tell its own story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 WTF - I'm sure 90% of this forum have never played a game of football in their lives. JPS, although a 100%er and probably a very nice bloke should never in a million years be classed as a defender. I feel and sincerely hope we can do better, much better..... The captain of my sunday league team broke his knee and ruptured his sternum in a car accident recently, so we'll be without our best CB probably for the whole season. As a full-back I would be very happy to have JPS in our back four instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 The captain of my sunday league team broke his knee and ruptured his sternum in a car accident recently, so we'll be without our best CB probably for the whole season. As a full-back I would be very happy to have JPS in our back four instead. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If he had really done so well then there would be a row of championship clubs lining up for his services, especially as he will be very cheap.. the apparent lack of them would seem to tell its own story. Yeah that's it. Nobody else has come in for him??? Oh well he must be useless then. Like Murty and Harding also I suppose? One thing you have to give credit to Wotte for is JPS. He was by far our best defender last season and if we could get him in League 1 we'd be laughing. Quality defender who had only one bad game for us in 20. Sign him up please Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Saints only consided three while he was here, Blackpool (A), Burnley (H) and Wolves (A). He was at fault for the Blackpool one with a clumsy tangle of a challenge and he impeded a Burnley player running into the box. Saga (I think) was at fault for the Wolves penalty. Not quite four but maybe you were thinking he was at fault for all the penalties we considered this year including the game he didn't play? He also scored two goals, one a cracker! I'm not saying he should be signed, if we have money to spend there are better options, if not, he may prove worthwhile ad interim. I struggle with the concept you can be a great defender and concede lots of penalties. Mistakes happen, he just seemed more prone than most. There were definitely 3 penalties he conceded (Blackpool, Burnley and Charlton). Out of 20 appearances that appears heavy for me. The 'fourth' non-penalty (my mistake) was just outside the box vs. Birmingham. I am not against him as a defender (I think he was excellent in the air), my problem is that he gave away too many clumsy fouls. For Burnley and Charlton they were suckers penalties where he got too close to his man and gave the attacker the option of tripping over his feet. Because of that I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I struggle with the concept you can be a great defender and concede lots of penalties. Mistakes happen, he just seemed more prone than most. There were definitely 3 penalties he conceded (Blackpool, Burnley and Charlton). Out of 20 appearances that appears heavy for me. The 'fourth' non-penalty (my mistake) was just outside the box vs. Birmingham. I am not against him as a defender (I think he was excellent in the air), my problem is that he gave away too many clumsy fouls. For Burnley and Charlton they were suckers penalties where he got too close to his man and gave the attacker the option of tripping over his feet. Because of that I'm out. Just like Thomas on Saturday then! Even if Saejis was only brought in as cover, it would improve our squad. I'm pretty sure that 90% of Saints fans would be happy for him to replace Thomas or Perry when either gets injured or suspended as opposed to Lancashire, and for the games where his defending may have been a little suspect, there were others where he kept us in it, or made challenges that got us the points. I doubt we'd have beaten Preston if Lancashire had been playing. He was a bright spot in an otherwise poor defence last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He's a fantastic defender with an absolute bastard of a free-kick on him. If Pardew could just get it through his head that one should NOT TUG SHIRTS OR PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND PLAYERS IN THE FRIGGIN PENALTY AREA then we've got a top-end c/ship level CB in him. ...he's actully quite quick too and can often dribble and pass the ball out of defence effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Saints only consided three while he was here, Blackpool (A), Burnley (H) and Wolves (A). He was at fault for the Blackpool one with a clumsy tangle of a challenge and he impeded a Burnley player running into the box. Saga (I think) was at fault for the Wolves penalty. Not quite four but maybe you were thinking he was at fault for all the penalties we considered this year including the game he didn't play? quality use of facts. Was there a pen against Charlton though? JPS was terriffic last season. He had a couple of very very poor games, but in the others he was the stand out player. I gave him 9/10 for a lot of them. Tough, committed and decent in posession. Great in the air and not the slowest I've seen on the deck. Even without the `I want to play for Saints' style quotes, I'd get him in, but the fact he really wants to play for us even in the lower leagues (as long as a high wage is not his real reason for wanting to join) is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 That penalty at Blackpool was a joke. No contact made with Campbell (i think it was) he just took a tumble and made it look like JPS had touched him. So there's another one you can cross off the list. However, I don't think we will sign him just because he's a player Pards has never heard of. If only someone could tell him that there's a quality player out there who actually wants to play for us and won't cost us anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 However, I don't think we will sign him just because he's a player Pards has never heard of. If only someone could tell him that there's a quality player out there who actually wants to play for us and won't cost us anything. the echo has done its best and the reserve team manager mus have seen him play so job done. Whether Pardew prefers a different path is a another thing. I wonder how big Saeijs' wages are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 \(^_^)/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 the echo has done its best and the reserve team manager mus have seen him play so job done. Whether Pardew prefers a different path is a another thing. I wonder how big Saeijs' wages are? Probably not very, after all he is asking the local paper to advertise his services... so he's not exactly a wanted man meaning his wages won't be high at all. Can't understand how he doesn't already have another club though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 the echo has done its best and the reserve team manager mus have seen him play so job done. Whether Pardew prefers a different path is a another thing. I wonder how big Saeijs' wages are? Players in his category probably make around 100 grand a year in the Netherlands. Perhaps he was on slightly more then that because he was the Roda JC captain for a while but I doubt it. Outside the top-6 clubs in the Netherlands Saints can afford any player in the Dutch league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 quality use of facts. Was there a pen against Charlton though? JPS was terriffic last season. He had a couple of very very poor games, but in the others he was the stand out player. I gave him 9/10 for a lot of them. Tough, committed and decent in posession. Great in the air and not the slowest I've seen on the deck. Even without the `I want to play for Saints' style quotes, I'd get him in, but the fact he really wants to play for us even in the lower leagues (as long as a high wage is not his real reason for wanting to join) is fantastic. Yes see Alain's response re Charlton. At least his faults (positioning/marking/diving in) could be worked on with a bit of coaching, not something that could be done with Lancashire, who needs games to help progress. The Blackpool penalty was soft but the fact he went in on the wrong side didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He is class, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 He's a fantastic defender with an absolute bastard of a free-kick on him. If Pardew could just get it through his head that one should NOT TUG SHIRTS OR PUT YOUR ARMS AROUND PLAYERS IN THE FRIGGIN PENALTY AREA then we've got a top-end c/ship level CB in him. ...he's actully quite quick too and can often dribble and pass the ball out of defence effectively Finally someone points this out. Even mature players can improve or change their game, look how Claus evolved (not always an improvement! :-) ) during his time with us. And for the person implying JDS was poor just becuse no CCC clubs were queuing up to sign him, well that just doesn't make sense to me. By that logic, every player is rubbish unless he receives multiple bids from CCC teams every month. Hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Anyone else remember our trip to Nottingham last season? Size comes of injured and we let in 2 in the last 15 minutes. I know that's a one off, but we really did lose it without him. Overall, I'd say we were a much better outfit with him in the side. Size has a lot of good attributes, despite the rash challenges. Similar players without those challenges make a decent enough living in Premier League sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Anyone else remember our trip to Nottingham last season? Size comes of injured and we let in 2 in the last 15 minutes. I know that's a one off, but we really did lose it without him. Yes I remember that. We were quite confortable with him on the pitch and almost as soon as he was substituted we looked like the 'typical' Saints that we all know and love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Sorry? Why do people have this opinion of JPS? It's probably because you watched the 2 poor games he had....Charlton at home for one. He had more succesfull games that not tbf and at L1 level he'd be ok. Ok - so he may not be as good as/better than Jaidi/Whitbred...but do people not realise that they haven't actually signed for us??? So surley JPS will be an improvement on what we have at the moment! He'd be a good addition - i'd sign him + Jaidi if possible. No disrespect but that is why you and I are debating his abilities on a forum rather than managing a football team! My point is that fans have a blinkered view when they like someone - JPS was well liked by the majority and its easy to see why because of his 100% effort and a couple of nice goals etc but that makes it easy to forget his mistakes or lack of ability. I did only see him a few times and Charlton was one of them - but i'd made my mind up long before then. For a big mas he was poor in the air, phycially very weak, poor posistioning and prone to making critical mistakes which more often than not lead to conceding goals. When a team has no confidence and no belief the last thing you need is to give away goals and that's why throughout the season individual mistakes cost us so deerly. We need a centre half and a centre midfielder - two key posistions and two key players (in the Lambert mould) who can improve the team, not just add to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Why do you think people liked him Tommi? Because he had a fun name? Its not because of his goals, people were raving about him way before he scored those. Now I can't say I have seen him play for Southampton but from supporter reports on here as well as the radio commentary on the Saint he was the best player on the pitch on a number of occasions. If he had a shocker once or twice that can happen, especially in a team that had not been playing well at all and in a team that didn't have a proper right or left back. Besides that, if he was as poor as you say he would have never played that many matches in the Dutch PL or have been on of the most important player at Roda JC for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 My point is that fans have a blinkered view when they like someone - JPS was well liked by the majority and its easy to see why because of his 100% effort and a couple of nice goals etc but that makes it easy to forget his mistakes or lack of ability. No. I can only speak for myself (but I have a strong feeling I'm not alone on this one) but the reason I rated JPS wasn't because he scored a "couple of nice goals". They came late on in his time here and we'd noticed his qualities as a defender way before the Watford game. No blinkers here, he's just a bloody good defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Tis going to be a long hard season and the more squad players we have the better for the injuries are bound to happen. I liked him. I think we can do better but I'd still like to have him as backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I would aim higher than him. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If we got both JPS & Jaidi in then we'd be sorted at the back & could off load Lancashire. Thomas & Jaidi first choice with JPS & Perry as cover is a pretty formidable choice to have at CB for this league imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If we got both JPS & Jaidi in then we'd be sorted at the back & could off load Lancashire. Thomas & Jaidi first choice with JPS & Perry as cover is a pretty formidable choice to have at CB for this league imo. +1 that would do for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If we got both JPS & Jaidi in then we'd be sorted at the back & could off load Lancashire. Thomas & Jaidi first choice with JPS & Perry as cover is a pretty formidable choice to have at CB for this league imo. It is amazing how far we have fallen if JPS is rated so highly.I do wonder whether all histeamates would be happy for his return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 i think some people have a too high opinion of ourselves we sign lambert and sudddenly JPS is too good for , are you joking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 If we got both JPS & Jaidi in then we'd be sorted at the back & could off load Lancashire. Thomas & Jaidi first choice with JPS & Perry as cover is a pretty formidable choice to have at CB for this league imo. I wouldn't off load Olly completely, i'd loan him to a lower league club. Somewhere like Bournemouth, or even the blue square. He just needs 1 season with week in week out football to learn the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 It is amazing how far we have fallen if JPS is rated so highly.I do wonder whether all histeamates would be happy for his return It's amazing how some fans haven't realised we're in League 1 now. Premiership we aint. I'm afraid the signing of John Terry or Rio Ferdinand is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piran Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I won't get involved in the 'should-we-or-shouldn't-we' discussion as I didn't see him play often enough to comment, but what amuses me is the suggestion by some posters that Pardew should be told about his abilities. I'm sure with two experienced players in the squad - Davis and Perry - who have played alongside JPS and who will no doubt be in regular discussions with Pardew, he will have been mentioned. If Pardew chooses 'no', then I respect his opinion, equally if he ends up bringing him in. That's his job, and so far it almost appears as if he may know what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I wouldn't off load Olly completely, i'd loan him to a lower league club. Somewhere like Bournemouth, or even the blue square. He just needs 1 season with week in week out football to learn the trade. Yeah thats what i meant, loan him out for a season & see how he does although from what I have seen of him so far he just doesn't appear to be good enough. A loan spell at Bournemouth or someone might do him some good though who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 It's amazing how some fans haven't realised we're in League 1 now. Premiership we aint. I'm afraid the signing of John Terry or Rio Ferdinand is unlikely. JPS was part of the failure last season if you didnt notice.He was hardly the most effective centre half and yes i would expect a centre half who can cope with the big centre forwards we will face in this league.he is not up to it and if you'd like to count his mishaps he did when he was here you may understand where Im coming from. i'llexpect you will need quite some time to recall them all. i will start with the penalties, then the lack of marking . he did score a good free kick though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 i saw him every home game he played, hes is a good CB not great but good and EASILY be in our first team and alot of champ teams too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think he would be a good signing for L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 I think he would be a good signing for L1. That might be true but there are probably better CBs that Pardew is looking at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 My point is that fans have a blinkered view when they like someone - JPS was well liked by the majority and its easy to see why because of his 100% effort and a couple of nice goals etc but that makes it easy to forget his mistakes or lack of ability. I did only see him a few times and Charlton was one of them - but i'd made my mind up long before then. For a big man he was poor in the air, phycially very weak, poor posistioning and prone to making critical mistakes which more often than not lead to conceding goals. sounds to me as though its you that has the blinkered view of JPS, based primarly on that poor Charlton game. You say it yourself that you have only seen him a few times. Those that saw every game will be far more forgiving of that poor display. I gave him 9 out of 10 in most games, so that Charlton display was out of character IMO. I have to say I can't agree with you on the following: "lack of ability" - he would be by far and away the most confortable on the ball of any of our centre backs if he came here now. Compare him to say Perry for example who dithers and makes some of the worst passing decisions I have ever seen of a centre back. "Poor in the air" - what a load of tosh. He is very good in the air. His strongest attribute in fact and he won headers all day long in most games last season. After he signed we became much harder to score against at set peices thats for sure. "very weak" - is he ****. He's a strong centre back that puts himself about. I don't recall any striker bullying him last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 That might be true but there are probably better CBs that Pardew is looking at get both them and JPS in then and offload Thomas and Perry because JPS is better than either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 get both them and JPS in then and offload Thomas and Perry because JPS is better than either of them. I dont think offloading players is that easy and is not good for team morale. Pardew is not playing Fantasy Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 would be good addition to the squad. Bizarrely would have been very pleased to get him last year in CCC but now, in lower league, wonder if we can aim higher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Though he may help with headers in the box he was turned much too often. Worth a trial though as some of his problems last year could well have been caused by the weakness of our midfield and defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Just got some petrol and caught back page of Echo! JPS is desperate to be the answer to our centre back problem!! Just waiting for a call! Would do for me if we can't get Jaidi.... What ever happened to the Southern Evening Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 would be good addition to the squad. Bizarrely would have been very pleased to get him last year in CCC but now, in lower league, wonder if we can aim higher! Exactly how I feel. Under Wotte, pre takeover I was very keen for us to sign him, now not bothered because others linked are much better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 Exactly how I feel. Under Wotte, pre takeover I was very keen for us to sign him, now not bothered because others linked are much better players. Yes I think that you are probably correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 August, 2009 Share Posted 13 August, 2009 would be good addition to the squad. Bizarrely would have been very pleased to get him last year in CCC but now, in lower league, wonder if we can aim higher! I have to agree. I was a fan of Saeijs during his loan spell with us last season, but for some reason I now think we could do better, despite the fact we're in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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