America on the NHS

[Saintandy666]

if that is the michael moore film then no thanks..

 

he could make a conspiracy out of the life of mother therasa

 

It's nothing about a conspiracy... it's just shows ordinary Americans and how their lives are ruined because of the US system.

[Saint George]

Who on earth would want to come back to the crappy UK to either live or for health treatment? The thing is, with a lot of you Yanks, you think your country is the absolute dog's dangly bits when it clearly is far from it.

 

Each country has problems to varying degrees. Why not try to sort your own country out before running ours down?

 

Oh! presumably you'll not want to lower your standards and come back to your mother country for treatment, should you be unlucky enough to fall ill and your insurance company start prevaricating about paying out on your policy? I hope, sincerely, in a case like that you wouldn't compromise your principles?

 

No one is trying to "run" your country down....The only reason the NHS is a focal point in the US at the moment is because Obama is trying to push the US in the direction of NHS type socialised healthcare....This has prompted near riots around the country as peeps have had a look at the consequences and see just what they stand to lose....The failings of the NHS and other similar systems have been exposed for all to see here, and its ugly....

 

Unfortunately the open discussion has caused some offence in the UK and has resulted in peeps rallying to the NHS's defense and hitting back with tit for tat comments, that's exactly how this thread started....

 

If Brits are happy with the NHS thats entirely their business and most Americans will agree...But there's no way peeps here are just going to lay down and have, what will be for 91% of Americans a sub standard system, forced upon them without a fight....

 

As for going back to the UK for treatment?...I'm not going to lie, sure i would, if i was ever desperate enough....I'm a net contributor to that system by a long long long way....My contributions there have paid for many sex changes and free drugs for pregnant woman etc and i recon there's still a bit of change in there for me, if i were to truly need it.

[Saint George]

Watch the film 'sicko'.

 

LOL.....I bet you came out of Big Al's movie weeping too, didnt ya?

 

heh...You wouldn't want to see my movie on the NHS if i were to ever make one, oh no....would scare to you to death

 

Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'movie'....especially if you have an agenda going in

[EastleighSoulBoy]

No one is trying to "run" your country down....The only reason the NHS is a focal point in the US at the moment is because Obama is trying to push the US in the direction of NHS type socialised healthcare....This has prompted near riots around the country as peeps have had a look at the consequences and see just what they stand to lose....The failings of the NHS and other similar systems have been exposed for all to see here, and its ugly....

 

Unfortunately the open discussion has caused some offence in the UK and has resulted in peeps rallying to the NHS's defense and hitting back with tit for tat comments, that's exactly how this thread started....

 

If Brits are happy with the NHS thats entirely their business and most Americans will agree...But there's no way peeps here are just going to lay down and have, what will be for 91% of Americans a sub standard system, forced upon them without a fight....

 

As for going back to the UK for treatment?...I'm not going to lie, sure i would, if i was ever desperate enough....I'm a net contributor to that system by a long long long way....My contributions there have paid for many sex changes and free drugs for pregnant woman etc and i recon there's still a bit of change in there for me, if i were to truly need it.

 

Would America's right wingers be against this if it had been a Bush proposition?

[aintforever]

The American system is ****ed up, the NHS may not be perfect but there is something seriously wrong with a society sitting around watching people die because they can't afford health insurance.

 

I'm surprised the Yanks put up with it, being so religious and all.

[revolution saint]

No one is trying to "run" your country down....The only reason the NHS is a focal point in the US at the moment is because Obama is trying to push the US in the direction of NHS type socialised healthcare....This has prompted near riots around the country as peeps have had a look at the consequences and see just what they stand to lose....The failings of the NHS and other similar systems have been exposed for all to see here, and its ugly....

 

Unfortunately the open discussion has caused some offence in the UK and has resulted in peeps rallying to the NHS's defense and hitting back with tit for tat comments, that's exactly how this thread started....

 

If Brits are happy with the NHS thats entirely their business and most Americans will agree...But there's no way peeps here are just going to lay down and have, what will be for 91% of Americans a sub standard system, forced upon them without a fight....

 

As for going back to the UK for treatment?...I'm not going to lie, sure i would, if i was ever desperate enough....I'm a net contributor to that system by a long long long way....My contributions there have paid for many sex changes and free drugs for pregnant woman etc and i recon there's still a bit of change in there for me, if i were to truly need it.

 

Entirely off topic but it's people not "peeps" - Stavros made it vaguely funny but that was a while ago.

 

The other thing is why would you consider going back to a system you consider "ugly" when you have the great US system on your doorstep? Unless it would be because you couldn't afford it?

 

Another thing is "free drugs for pregnant women" how outrageous! I'm presuming you're talking prescription but even if you're talking the illegal kind then who cares if it's part of a controlled programme to get off drugs? Something stupid like 80% of crime is drug related (it's probably higher) so anything that gets people off drugs must be good and will reduce crime and the cost to society. I'm sure kids that don't have addicted parents probably have better opportunities in life and it helps break the cycle - that's holistic thinking for you.

 

Finally your taxes paid for your time here and you no longer contribute (I'm assuming you pay no taxes anymore?) You can get collect your pension - entitled to that I'll grant you but if you're an American citizen now then why should we pay for you now? You made your choice now live with it. You've moaned often enough about immigrants leaching off this country and I'm sure you wouldn't want to be yet another leach would you?

[revolution saint]

LOL.....I bet you came out of Big Al's movie weeping too, didnt ya?

 

heh...You wouldn't want to see my movie on the NHS if i were to ever make one, oh no....would scare to you to death

 

Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'movie'....especially if you have an agenda going in

 

ROFL.....I bet you came out of the latest republican health care commercial weeping too, didn't ya?

 

Heh..You wouldn't want to see my movie on the corrupt nature of the health care companies and their lobbying...would scare you to death

 

Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'commercial'....especially if you have an agenda going in

[rpb]

It seems that the right wing in the US equates the NHS with communism, do they feel the same way about their police, fire service or schools? I presume that they are all paid for out of taxes...

[Wiltshire Saint]

As for going back to the UK for treatment?...I'm not going to lie, sure i would, if i was ever desperate enough....I'm a net contributor to that system by a long long long way....My contributions there have paid for many sex changes and free drugs for pregnant woman etc and i recon there's still a bit of change in there for me, if i were to truly need it.

 

heh...You wouldn't want to see my movie on the NHS if i were to ever make one, oh no....would scare to you to death

 

A bit confusing.......you could make a film that would put the NHS in such a bad light that it would scare us all to death, but you have stated that you would come and use it because you have contributed towards it? That's like someone saying that their taxes had paid towards the development of missiles and they would go to Iraq to see if they were working properly.

 

The simple fact that is you don't live here anymore. You made your decision to leave and that's fine, but now you have to shut up about this country. You don't know what it's like because you don't live here. You're happy where you are (although do seem quite obsessed with passing judgement on this country) and surely that's enough for you? What do you want? Do you want us all to agree with you and emigrate? Should we all come to America.....or would that then lead you to say how **** America is because of all the immigrants?

[Saintandy666]

LOL.....I bet you came out of Big Al's movie weeping too, didnt ya?

 

heh...You wouldn't want to see my movie on the NHS if i were to ever make one, oh no....would scare to you to death

 

Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'movie'....especially if you have an agenda going in

 

No, I think the films flaw was how it presented all of the nationalised healthcare systems as some sort of haven which clearly they are not. However, that doesn't change the facts and stats on the U.S healthcare system and the true horror stories that come out of it. The NHS owns the U.S system anyday of the week.

[Verbal]

LOL.....I bet you came out of Big Al's movie weeping too, didnt ya?

 

heh...You wouldn't want to see my movie on the NHS if i were to ever make one, oh no....would scare to you to death

 

Amazing what you can do with the dim and gullible if you make a 'movie'....especially if you have an agenda going in

 

Scooby, is that you?

[Saint George]

Well the Left got a good kicking over here yesterday, as the Country finally starts to wake up following its first little taste of socialism.

 

The 2010 mid term elections are showing all the signs of being a bloodbath for the Dems, they're going to pay dearly for allowing their party to get high jacked by Chairman O, Pelosi and Co.....Bring it on

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/nyregion/05elect.html?_r=1&hp

[solentstars]

No, I think the films flaw was how it presented all of the nationalised healthcare systems as some sort of haven which clearly they are not. However, that doesn't change the facts and stats on the U.S healthcare system and the true horror stories that come out of it. The NHS owns the U.S system anyday of the week.

to true ,you just got to look at treatment of ron davies over their and the silly money they wanted.

its more a case of big business keeping a failed system going .

[aintforever]

The American system is ****ed up. I'm surprised that such a religous country are prepared to sit back and watch their neighbor die because they are less well off.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The American system is ****ed up, the NHS may not be perfect but there is something seriously wrong with a society sitting around watching people die because they can't afford health insurance.

 

I'm surprised the Yanks put up with it, being so religious and all.

 

Agreed, there was a news item on Sky News (bearing in mind they are run by the same guy who owns Fox, America's right wing TV outlet) about how people in Washington DC are having to ring the FIRE BRIGADE as they can get free basic health care from them as the residents are so poor.

 

What a ****ed up system.

[toofarnorth]

Thank god for our NHS. It may be wasteful, to a degree. The hospitals may look nicer in other countries, but so what.

 

Our funding model for the NHS may be flawed, but better our model than the one in the USA. Why do you think Obama is trying to change it.

 

I have recently seen for myself what skilled and dedicated people we have working at the Southampton General. We're lucky to have them, end of story.

 

My partner works at SGH and she is pretty great I agree. Do think that the NHS is far from perfect though and is in need of quite a bit of reform. They dont necessarily need more money just a little bit of common sense at times. My Dad is currently undergoing cancer treatment and after an operation was on a critical care ward where they have one nurse per patient. All well and good for a soundbite, but thats not really necessary and they spend most of the time chatting to each other. The problem is when you are moved to the general ward there is only one nurse and they cant cope with the workload. Just one example of where resources could be allocated a bit better, but agree the NHS does a good job in general and is something we should be proud of.